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I’m not a fan of the price hike. I understand where they are coming from but you just had a price hike not too long ago. This is showing me. You don’t have all your stuff together because you should’ve gotten this concept straightened out about cost months ago now is not the time to come to people and say hey we just had a price hike. We’re going up again. It looks bad even if the price is minimal which it is it still looks bad.
Lets be honest Kinda Funny and Games Journalists live in a bubble and dont understand the average consumer..
This is just too much. I cannot buy a console for $300, and sink just as much for a subscription. Gamepass is a luxury service now, even at the standard price. It’s a “buy once a year” to play all of the games that came out that year service. No wonder they don’t come out with a yearly tier. They know they’ve out priced themselves from that. A Lamborghini can still be the best deal in luxury cars, but it doesn’t mean the people will all buy it
Well go back to buying and playing 1 or 2 games a year then.
Peoplea subscribe to tons of 10 dollar subs that are useless but gamepass is worth it. 20 dollars a month is 240 dollars a year. Minus 60 dollars for online you need to pay for anyway is 180 dollars. Just playing 3 new full price games a year makes up for it. You already saved 30 dollars by that. Not to mention you can use it on PC, perks, EA Play, and all the other games. I'm not just playing 3 games per year, so it's still worth it. If you only play 1 or 2 offline games per year, then Yea, don't subscribe.
I think what ppl forget is no one makes you sign up for anything lol. It's either of value to you, or its not.. but they just spent 70bn to acquire these studios.. they need to recoup somehow.. businesses need to earn PROFIT not just revenue to keep operating...
@@jeffmacs2o223 People want all that value dirt cheap. They are unreasonable, entitled and refuse to be straight up about it. As more and more games are added, the price/month is unsustainable. Games are still sold individually, with Game Pass being another option.
@@_theduckofdeath_ What's funny is I thought gamepass was already 20 bucks a month. It's just linked to one of my cards... I don't use it much, but it is there when I want it. Same with Ubi+ bc I don't mind supporting these companies even when I'm not using the service for when I will want to in the future. I look at it like over tipping my masseuse or barber, Id like for them to still be around in the future when I need it.
The same man that just said we need to value our media just said gamepass at $25 is a great value........ bro what?!?!?!?!?!
Because it is and by a fucking huge margin to i might add. If you pay for GamePass but play only one of those games or even two or three then yeah its not worth it. For all of the games? Easily worth it.
@@TheEregos
Bc people are actually playing ALL OF TH3 GAMES
Just like I watched EVERY MOVIE AND SHOW on netflix.🙄
@@TheEregosmost gamespass games are on ps plus
Personally, I think the conversation centers around renting vs owning games. It was a great deal when I would play a few AAA Xbox game for a few months, and I’d save money by just renting it with game pass vs spending $70 per game. But if I’m only playing 1-3 AAA Xbox games per year and the monthly price starts approaching half the price of buying the game, why wouldn’t I just buy it so I can own it and replay it later on?
“You’ll own nothing and be happy”
Yeah! just like the billions of: Apple music, Spotify, Netflix and every other streaming subscriber. I forgot to add Steam for my PC brothers. Shock horror!
GamePass losing it's "Day 1" association already happened when they replaced Xbox Live Gold with GamePass Core, this is just an extension of that confusion. But yea, they should redo their summer showcase ending each trailer with "Day 1 on GamePass Ultimate".
For me this is essentially a $9 price hike, since I don’t play multiplayer on Xbox outside of Halo Infinite (free to play), I just subscribed to the console tier whenever games I wanted to play came out. Now I’ll have to weigh out whether Call of Duty or whatever is worth a $20 rental versus $11. May as well just wait for sales at that point unless they’re true must-plays.
I'm glad you were able to game the system, but it was delusional to think that you would get all the excellent day 1 benefits whilst paying for the lowest tier. I've had Ultimate for years and the price remains the same
@@ckooakley
I definitely wasn't expecting GamePass to stay amazing forever, surprised it lasted as long as it did.
@@ckooakleydude , PC gamepads is day one releases at $11. That's the exact same as price as the old gamepass Console standard tier. Apparantly your concept of value doesn't apply to PC as they aren't getting a price hike for your so called amazing day one releases.
I'm confused. Didn't Phil repeatedly told regulators that the ABK merger wouldn't result in price hikes for gamers or jobs being lost?
xbox doesn't just shoot itself in the foot. It shoots itself in every limb and vital organ.
Y'all sleeping on Multiversus. Jason fighting Agent Smith fighting Finn from Adventure Time and Shaggy from Scooby Doo is just as dope lol
I think when Barret pops up in the corner he should shout “Toasty”
On a case by case basis? That's crazy. "Coming to game pass" has lost all meaning with this change. They might as well change it to coming to game pass ultimate. Just get rid of the tiers, core and standard are irrelevant, and you know the people grandfathered in console game pass will eventually get an email saying the ride is over buddy, upgrade or leave. Sell your xbox and build a mid tier gaming pc, components have dropped in price in the last 6 months, and you will not regret it.
Yea the 2 lower-tiers should have a different name if they want the day-1 association to stick with GamePass. PC is ironically the platform where that's true.
Why do people act like it is a one or the other? I've always played on multiple, consoles, computers...I even crossed the line into portables with the Steam Deck.
Also, if money was an issue, I would just stick with consoles. The idea of building a PC on a console or near-console budget is unappealing. I'd rather spend much more and get closer to state of the art technology/performance. The need (or urge) to upgrade would be pushed out, too.
Game pass is simply not worth it for me, I just can't play enough games per year to meet the value that I'm paying for it. I might as well just pick my two triple A games and buy them separately.
these guys are nutts
Microsoft keep showed the same games they been showing for years in there game show and still have no release date for most games they showed in there game show lol
what the fk he mean when he said they put more and more games in gamepass like what games?
they get paid to say "gamepass is the best deal in gaming" even when it's clearly not anymore.
@@mr.b1613You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so please stop throwing out baseless accusations.
There are new gamepass releases every week.
@@iammidus2012 you must enjoy getting shafted
@@iammidus2012 cool story bruh
“Best deal in gaming” does not apply to game pass anymore. The best deal in gaming is waiting a few months on getting a game in a steam sale for 75% off. Sure Game Pass is an option for those that want access immediately but at this point, it is basically paying a premium for what is basically rental.
How much did that PC cost to build?
@@KingJohnMichael I don't think anyone actually wants to answer my question. And you know why..
Xbox going back on their promise of day one titles is just egregious. Can we trust anything they say anymore?
That is why hi-fi rush was considered a failure in Microsoft in eyes. Tango Gameworks deserves better
I'm unsubscribing from Game Pass, but not in an angry way. I just don't use it enough to justify the $350 NZD a year. I think the only game I played in the last year was Hellbalde 2 and I didn't enjoy it. I understand this is purely a me issue that I'm not using it, but when I scroll though there's nothing I really want to play.
Weirdly the price increase in NZ is $7 ($22 - $29). This is still cheaper than the direct conversion rate between USD to NZD.
Tim says “we need to value our media or else we will not have it” but he and his whole camp have been celebrating and clapping for game pass since day 1 wtf
@@eb1900 You're still putting a value on the media that they are offering month over month... He's not double speaking, he's just talking about both sides. If you're someone who replays games over and over again over the course of years, then to you, buying is valuing it. For me, if I beat it or am just done with it, I don't play it again, so I value services that offer rotating selections.. plus bigger games are usually on there for yrs anyhow.
Being inconsistent is fine, the frustration I have is how much they cape for a game rental product. Like what is it about Game Pass that gets people to defend it so ardently?
This is just going to cost subscriptions. And incentivize more people to do what I do. Wait for a game I care about subscribe for one month and immediately. Cancel subscription and then play a bunch of fun games for one month.
Yep, this is the real move. I subscribed to GP for a while at the start of the console generation, but now, I only subscribe for one month here and there when I want to play something day one. Just not enough time to take full advantage of the sub consistently month over month, and this is a cheaper way to enjoy brand-new games immediately.
It seems like they're trying to discourage that by moving day one releases to a new, more expensive tier, but it's still cheaper than paying full price for a single game, so idk if it will work. I think they have a real loyalty problem with GP.
Tim seems so out of touch with the whole "best deal in gaming" line. $25 a month is not worth it, especially when xbox exclusives release 1 or 2 games a year.
If you sub only on the two months that the exclusives come out, youd be paying $50 instead of $140. And you also can probably play 1-3 other games in those 2 months as well.
If you dont have the time to constantly be passing games month over month, then yeah of course its not a good deal to stay subbed for an entire year
Everyone at kinda funny was saying that the price hike wouldn't happen this yr, now it was bound to happen.
When did they say that?
@@SKip-bv6pr before the showcase. They were saying if it didn't happen at the showcase, which it never would happen, then it wasn't going to happen this yr.
Kinda Funny knows about as much about the games business as I do about having a healthy relationship with a significant other. The problem isn't being wrong, it's being confidently wrong and then burying your head in the sand when the chickens come home to roost.
Great convo thx guys
When the comments section keeps you from wasting your time on the video😂
My guess is emio is famicom detective club spritual succsessor made with the devs from the remake.
Pc Gamepass 11.99
Gamepass Standard with no day one games 14.99
Microsoft shafting Console gamers once again.
You pay 8 dollars more for the privilege of day one games
There's no way this palworld business last long
I feel like the thing that's going under the radar is the Game Pass Core increase, from $60/yr to $75/yr. That's a 25% increase, as opposed to the 18% Ultimate increase. I know it's not a popular plan right now, but hypothetically, let's say that Game Pass goes up to $25/mo or even higher, and isn't the deal it once was. If ALL YOU WANT TO DO is hold onto the games you were "gifted" as a Gold member throughout the Xbox One days, that means that you're STILL on the hook for $75/yr. Same for if you just want online gaming. That's a pretty tough pill to swallow.
All this did is made me think if I would have been OK with waiting 1 year for Redfall, Starfield, and Hellblade 2 to come to Gamepass if it shaved 36$ of the annual price.
Answer is sadly yes.
Unless the next couple of MS studio games are absolute day one must haves I'm out of Ultimate when it runs out in May 2025.
I believe Plus Essential went up to $80 which would explain their decision.
@@Alex_Logan22 You're right. Which, just for the record, also sucked.
Ultimately I feel “the best deal in gaming” is a really subjective statement. It’s only a “best deal” if it actually has games that you want to play. For some people, the best deal may be just buying a game on sale. Making that the best deal for that person.
It's funny to see all the people who only now are realising that the Gamepass model - as we've known it in recent years - simply isn't a sustainable business model. Games take money to make, especially high quality games which Xbox has been putting effort into making.
Also goes without saying that they need to start showing more of a return after all the money they spent on acquisitions
lol stop it bro. Lol
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@@KingJohnMichael to annoy adults like you grandpa
@@skywalk3x Great rebuttal, that has sure told me lol 🙄
@@Shrewdy1 I’m glad you like it. Now get off the Internet, like your mother and I told you. 🤡
I always buy a month of PC Gamepass to try games at release I'm not so sure about. It was great for Hellblade. I hate that it's going to cost more, but it really was an inevitability. I guess I'll just wait and buy the games I'm really interested in. $12 still isn't bad for a rental, but if it goes past that I can't justify it.
Yea sales are better, you own em.
Lmao Tim just can’t come out and say that Xbox is being run poorly and is failing across all metrics
Gamefly guy actually said the truth! Gamepass is no longer the best deal in gaming after this restructure/price hike
I can understand Blessing pointing out "day one" being taken out of the console tier is weird, but in reality, that tier never had multiplayer access. So, if you wanted that you had to upgrade to Ultimate anyway.
I recommend if you have Ultimate, to stack up while you can stack up to 36 months, till it changes in September. I'm personally good till April 2027, with a few codes on deck to load up. If you want to beat this price hike, there are ways out there to do so.
Until one day you get an e-mail saying, sorry pal, good times are over, the remainder of your subscription will now be "adjusted" to what everyone else is paying us.
It was the main tier for people like me who primarily play on another platform with Xbox being secondary. Especially with Halo Infinite being free to play, I really didn’t need it since I play multiplayer on PlayStation. There are PC/Switch gamers in the same boat.
I wonder if we’ll ever get a Fortnite smash clone mode. Could be kinda fun using all those crossover skins even if they don’t have the “right” move sets.
If the audience split between Gamepass Standard and Gamepass Ultimate is too far towards standard, does it even make sense for Xbox to make deals to get games on Gamepass day one? 3rd party is going to have to stay day one, unless the majority of people are on ultimate.
No day one feels like a broken promise
Phil the Liar Spencer strikes again 😂
I do not understand how neither of these two individuals brought up the possibility that people will simply turn to steam and away from Xbox. Like in general, they're not going to go into PC gamepass, they're just going to go into steam and wait until games release on steam. Then what happens? I'm about his die hard as it gets when it comes to console gaming, and I am very very close to being pushed over the edge to the point where I just make a computer for my television.
I'm already at a point where I'm extremely hesitant to buy anything on my Xbox to continue to invest/build the library there. I haven't actually purchased a new release game on Xbox in over a year because I started to see the writing on the wall. I can't be the only one.
00:57:01 DUDE sonic would make a Banger RPG I am so upset they never tired it again after Chronicles. The series has such a wide and varied cast that all have unique combat styles that could make for some killer movests. Not to mention the cast is adaptable enough you could slot them into any plot. I really wish chroncials had both done better and not had penders fuck it up but sonic already fights gods on the semi regular. Hell I think adnvtures story was originally CONCEIVED as a jrpg. That we've only ever take one crack at it is wild.
Call of Duty fans should either 1) not buy it this year 2) purchase the game outright…
This is a bad look for Microsoft when you consider they fired 1,900 people and already had a price hike not that long ago.
I really hope the casuals wake up and don't fall into the trap of paying for a full year just to play COD
With a new console and gamepass, that's 750 dollars in one year. Xbox is dead as a console
Ok but let’s Be real, the 14.99 for ultimate 5 years ago isn’t the same as it is now in this economy. Inflation hits everything and 15 is more like 20-25 in today’s value of the dollar. Microsoft is paying more for studios, they are paying more for labor and they are paying higher prices in everything else for the increase of goods and labor for their suppliers. The fact that people are mad about a 5$ increase in the last 2 years is mind boggling. This is the world we live in and to Tim’s point, 25-30$ a month for gamepass isn’t out of the realm of possibility, in fact it’s on track with everything else.
A BIIIIG thing y’all forgot to mention was Xbox is also removing the ability to “stack” annual memberships whether from codes or deals to extend their subscription over 13 months. Yeah, big one y’all missed.
They definitely mentioned that... didn't spend time talking about it - but they mentioned it in the story overview
I think this is one of the reasons they've increased prices so much the last while. I don't know too many people that are actually paying a monthly fee for GP. Most of them stacked for 3 years for Xbox live money.
I've got to say...the $12 pc price point is a little much for me - especially for a rotating selection of games. I remember I had progress in a game that left gamepass at one point, which sucked. If there's a single-player game I would only play through for the campaign, then maybe I'd sub for a month. But that's about what I pay in a steam/fanatical/gog sale for a full game regardless.
If WoW or DDO was included for $20 / month, then I'd probably join. If it included a cloud PC like Shadow streaming services so that you could do it from a hotel on anything with a gamepad or mouse and keyboard, that would be amazing. But that's pretty niche. I also want to be able to mod and try to linux port stuff and LAN game when possible, and the DRM is a big hit to value when they aren't selling live-service games. For comparison, PC has the humble bundle, where one month gives you permanent DRM-free access to 200+ titles that you could mod. The landscape on PC is a bit more competitive for a service like this.
I will be one of the people that leave ultimate and possibly look into leaving Xbox. That much a month is hard for people on a budget. Activision games don’t make it worth anything for me
PlayStation Plus is a dollar less though?
They all talk with the same cadence and its weird.
Why would this move encourage more devs to put their games on gamepss day and date now when it hasn’t been the case before when presumably more people would have had the service?
Especially when now MS themselves aren’t putting their games on it day and date on all tiers.
I think the idea is that 3rd party/indie games were competing with 1st party games for attention and now maybe less so if they launch at different times.
@@Alex_Logan22 how would they be competing less when they are just now finally starting release their 1st party games.
That argument makes no sense, especially not now lol.
Yeah I think most people will just end up buying a pass a few times a year and catching up on stuff that's already been out for a while. It's going the same way as the streaming platforms, why pay all that money for a full year when you can wait and just catch up with one time payments for a 12th of the cost?
Guess ill have to cancel 😢
Microsoft does not care about Xbox. They care about being the king in the moment, what happens when that moment ends, quickly, good luck Xbox.
I'm not sure if someone else already brought it up, but I found the argument by Tim & Bless that people could just purchase Call of Duty on Xbox and enjoy it that way........ummm, not entirely, because multiplayer for ALL non-free games requires Gold which no longer exists, meaning Game Pass is required just to play online at all, which is complete b.s.
"Huge price hike" click bait titles strike again. 3 dollars more a month is way less than the 30% increase that sony did for ps+
I think they should just stick to one tier
Saying $25 a month for gamepass is still a great deal is some out of touch garbage. No wonder I don't watch this trash.
I find value in just creating a new account each time there is a game i wanna play that can only be played on Xbox and getting 30 days free. Never paid a thing
To me it seems like PC game pass is the most valuable. I dont even own an xbox but I keep game pass because its not terribly expensive and I get to try and play games I'd never have considered. I also get day one games and now I'll get CoD and Doom day one? for only $11.99 its a steal right now.
They must have talked about it before hand and Tim drew the short straw to be ‘pro- it’s not that bad’ because he is trying just a bit too hard.
Is it weird that the price hike comes BEFORE any of the "good" games have been delivered? I think I would understand if they had delivered bangers already but announcing amazing titles to come in 2025 and then price hiking before those even come with a "trust me bro" motto on the quality of the games seems odd.
I just got into the xbox console ecosystem last year and played some cool games on GamePass like Lies of P, Cocoon, Persona 3 Reload. But since the start of the year, my console has been pretty idle and just waiting for more of those games before resubscribing.
It’s the economy!
I get Blessing not knowing but Barret should know that you have to have a persona equipped of the same arcana as the person you're trying to hang out with lol
"Best deal in gaming" says people who get to play games for a living i.e. these guys lol. Are ppl who work normal 40 hour jobs really getting that great of a value with game pass? Are you spending a meaningful amount of time on 3 or 4 different games a week? I just don't see it. As for being the "Netflix of Gaming"- The average person can finish 3 or 4 movies a week with Netflix easily. What person working a normal 9-5 finishes that many games a week??
Great service, all games day one until they actually have more to offer, it's disingenuous ay best.
So you back game pass when it was dry. And now that it will get good games they shaft you with price hike
I've had Gamepass Ultimate for a hot minute and have loved it. This increase isn't that rough. You get SOOOO MUCH for that investment. I'm cool with them adding a few bucks to the deal if it means less layoffs and more value to the studios creating the games. If it bumped to $30 bucks a month, then I'd say it's too much. Staying at $20-$25 is totally fair.
Bro Xbox lays people off every year. The idea that the money would go back into workers' pockets is absurd. Do you understand capitalism? The whole point is to exploit the workers as much as possible.
It's your money but stop being so naive, workers aren't benefiting from subscription services. It's like you didn't pay attention to the last Hollywood strikes at all.
I’m not surprised at the price hike, but I completely disagree with Tim’s assessment that it was necessary. I think the price hike is a bad idea and Xbox is going to lose subscribers over this.
“Still the best deal in gaming.” 😂😂😂
Absolutely laughable. I hope Tim reflects on this and retracts such a horrific statement.
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Justice for Waluigi 💪🏽
As usual they did the opposite of what they should (and given their subscription numbers and sales I don't feel arrogant thinking I know better) which would have been no tiers, just one subscription which you can use on PC, consoles, cloud etc. And they should rename it Microsoft Games Library and drop the Xbox branding, at least outside America. It has little value today and just makes it confusing on PC, where we're already on Windows and the leballing makes it feel like a third party app for people not in the gaming bubble
I’m the person that plays different games and bounces around in gamepass. That’s how I get Madden every year. I play new games. I play games I would ever play or try if not for GP. I’ve been playing snow runner and I really like it. That’s a game I would have never bought because I’m not spending my money on a game idk if I’ll like it. They majority of games on my console are GP games
See that ambiguity is why my relationship will remain the same with Xbox and Gamepass. I will hold out for discounted months or a game that really blows me away that means I have to play day one. But I will immediately cancel so as not to get recurring billing. Microsoft has gone from getting (AUD) maybe $500+ per year from me in the 360 heyday of first or second party releases to maybe getting $100 in the last 8 years.
It's funny how different they talk about PS PLUS vs GP especially Tim he scoffs at any PS new but take major copium for GP
PS Plus is too expensive too. The difference is very few people are defending it the way these dudes defend Game Pass.
@@HastyElderHaman GP highest tier is gonna be $240 a year PS highest tier is $160 a year. Nobody should be defending price hikes especially if nothing good has been coming out.
17:04-17:24 Exactly. I wouldn't play that game even if it was given to me or on ps+etc. Has zero value to me including my time.I have played & enjoyed 13 games on gamepass that have been added the last 2 months alone.
Lets not forget that if a game is hot people wont wait 6 to 12 months. They more than likely will jump to the 20 usd one just to play it now. Remember hype pulls people in as well
20 bucks lets me demo 300 games id otherwise buy and never play. value go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Nintendo and Playstation fan talking about Xbox...
I think that the cancelled riot party fighter would be good to get to draw in the melee freaks, but i disagree with Tim in that it needs to forgo the casual aspect altogether. Youre losing 85% of the people who would stick with your game that way. If the game is only fight fight fight on competitively viable stages then youre starting on the backfoot from the jump. Not to mention you have to sell people on these characters the probably dont know.
Also a bug failure of multiversus is the nickel and diming. Was stuff in this gae gonna cost as much as stuff in valo or league. Smash is a game you buy and maybe theres a season pass and some music or mii costumes. Not a live service you have to grind out.
How can they justify a price hike when they have released Redfall and Hellblade 2, which were both whack ass games by the way.
Tim saying paying 300 bucks a year for gamepass is the best deal in gaming has to be the most out of touch gaming statement I heard all year. No one paying 25 bucks a month to play games with this economy.
It's cause Tim cause from the perspective as a games journalist. His job is literately to play as many games as possible so GamePass lets him do that without breaking the bank. Most average gamers only buy like 1-3 full-priced games per year.
Like are they being paid about gamepass? I'm not trying to cause anything but this "best deal in gaming" line has been repeated since inception. And it's kind of proven out that game pass is not good for the industry. And it's not sustainable. And the price was always going to go up. And the intent was never to provide a great deal for gamers but to disrupt the market and obliterate traditional game purchasing habits and then jack the prices like Netflix does
That whole section was so crazy, they must be living in a bubble. The worst part was Tim saying that it's still the best deal in gaming, until the monthly price is as expensive as a full price game lmao.
This whole "Best deal in gaming" thing always put me off a bit tbh (not least because it sometimes comes off a bit as cheerleading and advertising for Xbox) - because obviously it's completely subjective for each gamer. One person might love the variety of games and spend 3-4 hours a day playing all sorts on it. Another person might only have limited time to game, and isn't really into whatever games are on the service on a particular month.
Point is, it's not just all about *how many* games are on a service - time is a limited resource, and for the majority of people gaming is a hobby that they only get some hours in every so often through a week/month. So to say that even as a subscription service goes up to 20/25 a month is still "The Best Value in Gaming" - I just don't buy that at all. At a certain point, no matter what you're getting, it's just very expensive. I think what you'll see more of now is Xbox's games going up in sales numbers, as more people opt to buy the odd game outright if that's all they want to play at that time - rather than subscribe month on month. It's all money to Xbox at the end of the day.
Yeah that is a ridiculous statement.
If you Microsoft Rewards Points then Game Pass costs $0. Just a few minutes of your time each day.
BTW, if you earn ms points by playing games and doing Bing at coffee break time you don't have to pay anything for game pass ultimate. I'm not sure how long this will be the case as it's been getting harder to do this, but I currently have 5 months of points and 3 months redeemed.
Love it when hosts talk about what parents buy kidd when they dont have kids.....😂😂😂
The constant "best deal" is just marketing push that is meant to convince people to sub to their service that is not viable long term for the consumer or the gaming industry, or even Xbox itself at this point. It doesn't matter if there is a technical mathematical value argument to be made insofar as you having access to (x) amount of games, which if bought individually would add up to (y) and you're ONLY paying (z), because that does nothing to account for the actual value to individuals, their wallets, and the lack of profits on the developer/publisher end. Are there some people who actually play games enough, across enough titles, to justify their year over year spending on the service? Sure, otherwise the service would have never got off the ground. But it feels very disingenuous to conflate the idea of a "best deal" on paper with a "best deal" for the consumers in reality. The fact of the matter is a large chunk of the people they want to bring in just do not have that kind of time or interest. They end up playing the same few games despite having the service and would be MUCH better served with their wallets to just buy the few games out right and have as much time as they need to want to play at their leisure without fear it will be removed from the service before you finish. Gamepass relies on the same thing that all subscriptions services in the modern age do - they bank on auto renewals and people not paying attention to what they are paying for (or whats missing) while they wait for the promised games that will be 'worth it' month over month instead of paying once the product has been proven and delivered. Its the netflix-ification of subs. Now more price hikes and who gets day-ones, despite that being THE thing they had going for them? No thanks.
Time to stock up on more games during the summer sale on steam then hit the seas for the rest. Yaaar
It simply isn't the best deal in gaming, the best deal in gaming is BUYING your games so that you have them FOREVER not renting them for $300 a year.
Also this price hike is putting the cart before the horse seen as Microsoft STILL aren't putting their big games out regularly yet.
So $20 a month will get you day 1 games, large library of games and online. That will be $240 a year. Minus $75 a year for online that equals to $13.75 a month for day 1 releases and the gamepass library. That's still a good deal for a lot people. Now you won't find the good playstation or Nintendo games on there so for me personally as of right now gamepass isn’t for me. But for a lot it's still a good deal. But in the future ultimate will still go up in price especially if subs doesn't go up and the games don't release on other platforms to get that extra 70% cut.
You have the nvidia mentality deducting that 75 bucks...
Nvidia; spend more, get more. Lol
@@ksks6802 lol is that a good thing or bad thing? 😂
Xbox shoots themselves in the foot so many times
28:40 - People know, they just don't care. Gaming media has been harping on about GP being the "best deal in gaming" for 5 years+ now. In reality, for most people, including hardcore users but especially casual users who are time-restrained and not money-restrained, it really isn't the best deal in gaming by a long shot.
The value proposition of GP drops rather quickly if you don't care about some of the games being put on there, if you play any sort of GaaS game, if you have limited time, if you have a backlog, if you wait for sales, if you care about owning games, the list goes on. The price hike just makes all of this even more true.
I'm a pretty "hardcore" gamer (easily game 20+ hours per week if not more) and GP (and any other gaming sub) would be a terrible "deal" for me. The games I care about don't make it to the service until long after they've been released and been on sale. I care about owning (physical) games so I can revisit them or lend them to friends. I have dozens of games in my backlog and new ones release at a faster pace than I can clear the ones in my backlog. Money is not my main constraint, it's time. I would get zero value out of it.
Gaming is nothing like music and TV/movies. You can consume a movie (or two) in one evening. You can listen to dozens of songs while commuting or working out. The latter is often done passively. Games on the other hand often require dozens of hours to complete, and require constant attention and inputs to do anything. Not to mention with gaming these days you have plenty of high-quality F2P games like Valorant and Genshin Impact. You don't have such a thing with movies or music. Nor are there movies or songs any sane person can spend 100s of hours on, unlike any given (F2P) live service game. This is why the whole notion of a "Netflix of gaming" was stupid and misguided from the get-go, and it's just another example in a long list of Microsoft completely misreading the market and consumer habits. Them thinking they can reach "3 billion gamers" by putting Cloud versions of their games on mobile phones will be another example in that list.
GP would've been more attractive in the 90s where you had to spend $60 on every game, F2P games were mostly crappy browser games, and games only lasted like 10-15 hours. Now, it's trying to solve an issue that has long stopped being an issue. Money is not the main barrier of entry to gaming it once was. It is in fact time and a lack of interest that are now the main blockers for people getting into games and GP doesn't alleviate those issues, it just adds to them. They created a service that just makes their hardcore users spend less while failing to appeal to a wider gaming audience.
As for the GP changes, the main selling point of GP over something like PS+ was day one games. Now half of the GP tiers (and 2 out of 3 tiers on console) no longer offer day one games, making the service essentially a worse version of PS+ since PS+ has nearly double the amount of games on it while being cheaper and PS just has better games in general. Still calling it the undisputed "best deal in gaming" at this point just sounds totally out of touch with reality. It never was the best deal in gaming, but even for people who are heavily into catalogue subscription gaming, PS+ will now be the better deal for anyone that doesn't care about day one releases.
The amount of people who will go on socials to complain about something they don't really use will always shock me. Gamepass is great for me and I work alot but still make time. I love the options I get. And I'm from the NES days and never gave a damn about physical copies of games. Rented from blockbuster and Hollywood video alot so it's the same damn thing to me
Tim saying Palworld has no chance of merchandising success when he dedicates so much of his life to Pokémon is hilarious.
He’s only saying that because of Pokémon bias, not reality lol
28:38 Completely agree. I think Microsoft needs to get 1-3 month Gamepass codes bundled with everything: TVs, Phones, Tablets, ISPs, cable, Amazon, etc. Grow the base, get people trying it, no matter what device.
Someone needs to remind Tim that Palworld has sold more than any single Pokémon game. It's about to if not has already beaten the sales of Red/Blue/Green.
Nope it’s behind the original trilogy about six or seven million
Games don’t cost 60$ anymore that’s where blessings math is wrong
Xbox is dog shit. Bought a Playstation, that will get worse as well but really, today, Xbox died by buying Activision.
I agree that game pass is the best deal in gaming, I’ve played hundreds of games I never would have bought, I can download a new game at any time to get a new game into my rotation or daily games, and getting new games on launch let you try the game and see if you wanna buy the game fully or get the dlc. I’m more of a variety gamer who switches to new games a lot and doesn’t play one game at a time so my game style could just fit it better but if you play just one game then you shouldn’t buy game pass anyway no matter what the price is. For me 20$ a month is a steal, compared to spending 2000$ on all the games I’ve been able to play for a few hundred a year
im fine with the price hike. i play 20 plus games a year through the service and paying full price for two of them is nothing to me
GamePass is still unreal value and still does not financially make sense for a company as you have to be losing money on this. So many straight up sales you're missing out on. I agree with a lot of what Tim is saying here. People might not like that the price is going up, but if we want big games with big budgets, we gotta pay real money for them, of they'll disappear.
Imagine if people waxed this poetic about Blockbuster video back in the day. I don't know what happened to you evangelical Game Pass hype men but it is beyond amusing to see the complete cope around this product. You are renting games.
No one does this about Netflix for some reason and it has far better content compared to its contemporaries than a bunch of indies and a random Hellblade 2 every third month. Seriously what does Microsoft have on all of you?
I cannot stand Tim’s out of touch take yet again on this “best value in gaming” nonsense. Can we get someone else on the show to talk about this please?
Xbox is the worst 😂
Huge 😂
It’s always funny listening to talking heads who are so removed from reality of game subscriptions because they get all their games for free lol
Game pass is awesome!
$25 per month = $300 per year
AAA Games are $70
$300 / $70 = 4.28 games
The questions:
Is access to potentially 4 AAA games a year a good value for you?
Do they put out 4 AAA a year you are interested in?
Only you can answer this
You are really wasting your time. This math is too advance for gaming community. They'll just complain regardless.
If u buy games on sale & trade games in…the cost of buying goes down a lot…gamepass is trash 🗑️
@@hododod246 😂🤣
You own em too
@@Alex_Logan22 unfortunately you don’t, you only have access as long as you are subbed