Is Steph Curry or Patrick Mahomes more influential to their sport? | SPEAK
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- During the first episode of "Mind the Game" with LeBron James and JJ Reddick, the King discussed Steph Curry's influence in basketball, saying that he 'changed the whole narrative .. like Mahomes.' Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy, James Jones and Ric Bucher debate whether Curry or Patrick Mahomes is more influential to their sport.
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Patrick Mahomes and Celeb Williams favorite qb growing up was Aaron Rodgers its documented
These sports outlets owe Lebron a check with how many segments they come up with because of what he says 😂
Tying to get bron more props
And I’m sure they pay him accordingly ;)
@@caper087 they actually don't pay lebron they can take all these topics from lebron while shitting on lebron and saying g he knoq nothing these networks are horrible
LeBron most influential
How is this even a question
😂slow news day
It’s not a fair comparison, it should be mahomes vs Steph seven years into his career (2015)
@@OscarUnrated and itll still be steph, just not as much.
Michael Vick changed football more than Cam Newton.
No. Vick was seen as an outlier after Cam everyone wanted a dual threat QB
Any real nfl fans knows the Randall Cunninghamm is more Influential then both of them
@@jimmycharlotin7050😂yall dont know what Influential means. Being the first to do something doesn't mean you're Influential
@kammyr4082 I know definitely what influential means I went to school here's my list
Jordan
Iverson
Steph
Magic
Kobe
Doctor j
Russell
LeBron
@@jimmycharlotin7050 this I agree with to a degree. There weren't a plethora of dual QB flooding the league after Randal or Steve but there was definitely a flood after Cam
Cam changed the game 💯. He made drafting a Justin Fields,Lamar, Mariota, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson and Allen possible. I remember after his national championship game how coaches in high school and college started starting and recruiting running QBs and building a system around them. He carried the culture and influence the game on and off the field more than any other QB of that time.
You’ve gotta he out of your mind lmfao Russel Wilson is 5’11 at most he was drafted in 3rd round, if anything Michael Vick and Drew brees made it possible for him.
Mike Vick made it possible for Lamar who Kyler was more because of Russel seeing he’s barely 5’10.
Josh Allen is the ONLY one comparable and he gets the nod for cam/Big Ben…
Vince Young was more of a Cam Newton comp then anybody BEFORE there was a cam Newton
This is silly af tbh 😂😂😂
Patrick Mahomes is WAYYYY more influential tf do you think Trey lance and Zack Wilson got drafted so high? Jordan love comp was Pat Mahomes!! CALEB WILLIAMS IS LITERALLY GOING NUMBer one cuz of PAT MAHOMES INFLUENCE 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️
@@Juntao1989 I would agree with about Vick however between the time of Vick and Cam Newton there was no huge influx of running quarterback until Cam Newton won the national championship you can clearly see a correlation between quarterbacks drafted after 2011 and Cam entering the league. Vick and young were the equivalent of Clyde drexler and Dominique Wilkins. Cam was the A.I that change the culture and created the demand for a running QB.
U can’t put russ in that conversation cuz he was taken a year after cam and cam hadn’t even done anything significant in the league yet. Cam wasn’t the first dual threat QB in the nfl. Russ was duel threat and at their peaks was a better QB, not to mention a champion. Some of the players u mentioned, specially Kyler were drafted because of Russ for reasons of size and scrambling ability
@@guiseppejacobs2357 EXACTLY…mans just started rambling off names with NOOOOO kind of context other then “they ran” 😭😭😂😂
I agree with the core message, but I would balk with some of the comparisons being made here.
Kyler was an exceptional runner, but the comp they saw with him was Drew Brees, because the dude had EXCEPTIONAL throwing accuracy and feel for the game. In his case, he would have gotten drafted high regardless. Russell was a peer to Cam. Justin Fields was used and viewed as a drop back passer at Ohio State. He wasn't viewed as a potential high level dual threat until his 40 at the combine, and even then his ability as a dual threat at the NFL level was just completely different than how he was used in college.
Nevertheless, I agree with Cam opening the door for raw dual threat QBs to be actively drafted high and to be actively featured as a 1st or 2nd choice runner in the offense. Michael Vick would have these incredible running games, but that was usually featured off him dropping back. Not literally being used like a fullback, which say Cam or Josh is used. Still don't think that is a "good" thing though?
Steph and it’s not even a debate. Steph quite literally changed how the NBA has played the game. Look at what he has turned the 3 into. Now every team prioritizes the 3. Look at what the rockets did after they couldn’t beat Curry and the warriors. The rockets literally created a 3 point machine with 3-4 great 3 point shooters just to try and beat the warriors.
Hes not saying cam is better than mahomes. Hes saying cams play style changed more than mahomes play style does. Hes right
😂bro shady is stupid and stubborn a deadly combo
Play style I would say Patrick still has the edge. Everybody now is looking for the "Patrick Mahomes" prototype. Oft-platform arm talent to spread the field and just enough dual threat ability to extend plays and convert downs. And they are willing to take on projects like a Zach Wilson or Jordan Love or guys who ran simpler offenses like Air Raid to mold and do this. Also, youth coaches now are complaining about the kids wanting to throw off-platform like Patrick, in the way kids want to show Steph Curry long 3s. When Lamar came out, the comparison made wasn't Cam, but Vick - because the big vision with Vick was still to take a run first QB and convert them into a pass-first guy, which happened with Andy Reid. When RG3, a peer of Cam, came out, he was being compared with Vick. You can even make the case for Russell Wilson as a dual threat model. The only QB who aligns with what Cam is doing is Josh Allen, and that is still a point of controversy due to its sustainability.
I think if you include the culture, yes I would take Cam but just on the game, it's still Pat.
@andrewchiu6226 i disgree. Mahomes is still arm talent first. Teams have always looked for elite arm talent. Look at JaMarcus russel. Can mahome be mobile? sure. But showed how hard a dual threat qb is to prepare for. Cam is why teams will still take run first qbs like lamar to see if they can learn to be passing first qbs too. The only way before cam a running qb got a fair shot was if they were elite speed like vick or lamar. Lamar is the only one who is comparable to vick speed. The reason is so mnay mobile qbs flamed out is because they werent as physical as cma ir as fast as lamar. But the reaosn they even got looked at is because cam was the first real successful run first ir run only qb. Even if only for a year. Maybe going forward mahomes qill chnage the game more. But the qb viewing philosophy was changed because of how dominant cam was even for as short a time as it was. All that being said imagine how many qbs trying crazy stuff will hear, "youre not mahomes!" Lmao
@andrewchiu6226 some people meed to remember the reason mahomes has that control is he was a pitcher in baseball. The amount of wrist and control you need to be a pitcher is why he csn do those crazy passes. Most qbs dont do both. Although probably more do than i realize lol
@@andrewchiu6226 The problem is only 3-4 QBs all time can do all those things, now do i think more QBs will play baseball as well to get those skills. You can't teach what Mahomes does, you have to get lucky. It's a lot easier to play like Steph.
You're making it sound like curry's team made him. Curry made his team!
His career started with injuries, and he changed his playstyle to adapt.
Without, Draymond, Curry definitely isn't as impactful.
@@andrewswing9917 true, but Steph definitely got Draymond paid more than Draymond got Steph paid.
@meirworch2867 Not necessarily true, Draymond, was averaging more in college and high-school then steph at times, but, he was in general an offensive juggernaut with no injuries.
Curry had surgery on his ankles in college and early in his career.
If Draymond, wasn't forced into what he is now he would've gone farther without Curry. People love to forget, Draymond was raised by the baddest dudes of the late 80's including all the true "enforcers" of the early 2000's.
Golden state got Draymond paid a little more.
@@andrewswing9917 so you think he would have a Bigger impact on winning on a other team? Four rings sounds like a good impact to me.
The Cam hate is unreal. Cam was so influential. In this debate, it’s Steph all day. Not even a question. Mahomes is amazing but he’s not moving you like Steph and others, IMO!
Frfr but bro duck @ his job
@@luckitae7592 the pat mahomes hate is crazy. He has literally been the best player for 6 straight years, breaking every record, breaking TV records, the best offscript player ever and you say he isn't moving the needle? 3 chips in 5 years! I'm not even going to go down the individual accolades. Granted he is doing this without a great wide receiver.
@@madjames2392 Mahomes is the better football player than Steph as a basketball player, he probably will be the more successful player overall, win more championship ship, got higher ranking all-time, ect. But Steph is more relatable to general fans and younger generation of athlete.
@@madjames2392 How do you teach what Mahomes does? How can you teach what Aaron does? You can't. Thats the issue, you are holding someone is talented as Mahomes but you can teach that skillset. You can 100% teach how Steph plays, no one can teach how Allen plays. You'd be fired if you try, don't confuse accomplishments with skillset.
@@enigma13ff you will be surprised how many young players start playing offscript. Just like you can't teach curry style but players will emulate.
Shady be talking just to talk lol. He wasted 5 minutes responding to slick instead of answering the question
As per usual lol. I think he's literally the worst guy on TV between fox sports and espn.
The actual question isn't that interesting, since it's obviously Steph.
Watch a basketball game in any level and you'll see Steph's influence
Cam made me love football because of how electric he was. He just loved the game and you could see it in the way he played. Cam was special
I see everyone saying Steph and I can’t disagree. I’m a life long KC fan. Steph has globally changed his sport, Pat has changed how defense is played
McNair was the first dual threat qb to win mvp and he went to a Super Bowl also
That's not the point... did kids want to be just like him?
Steve Young won reg season 2 MVP & won a Super Bowl & 1 super MVP but he was a dual threat QB & did all that before McNair even got drafted.
@@TheyWanBeMe100 true forgot about Steve !!!
@@kammyr4082 I can say ppl wanted to be like him but his jersey was everywhere lol and I didn’t say ppl wanted to be like him I was just saying bc dude said cam is the first dual threat qb to win mvp and go to a Super Bowl and McNair did that in early 2000s Steve young in the 90s who I forgot about
Randall Cunningham
Shady is the Joy and Joy is Shady. No difference in their takes.
Agreed 💯
I agree with Shady. Klay and Draymond deserve a lot of credit but are we gonna act like Steph didn't bring a team of scrubs at Davidson to the elite 8? Steph just didn't know he could do it in the NBA without the system Kerr created for him.
We saw how the Raptors defended Curry in the Finals when Durant and Klay were injured. They just played a Box and 1 in an NBA game. Draymond wasn't a difference-maker then. Curry made Draymond more than Draymond and Klay facilitating Curry.
If klay and draymond are not there, curry has no team success
@@DerQuanDoucett-- We can never know that. But it kind of depends on what you think of Bob Myers and Steve Kerr. Could they have found different shooters? Could they have developed different stars?
Remember some players become stars because of the team and organization they are drafted to.
So many players don't reach their potential because of organizations.
Who is to say the Warriors couldn't develop different stars.
Curry was the only special one. Stars appear all the time though.
@@semi6544 we seen it tho. When dray and klay aren’t there they missed the playoffs
@@DerQuanDoucett-- I think you have that backwards. That year Curry only played 5 games and the Warriors became the worst team in the league.
The year Klay missed the whole year the Warriors made the play-in and lost to the Lakers, but even in that year the Warriors were under .500 in the games Curry didn't play which allowed them to be in that position in the first place.
There has never been a time in Warriors history when Klay or Draymond did anything without Curry present.
Every significant Curry injury resulted in a lot of losing.
Curry needs Klay and Dray but when they are out the Warriors can at least be .500.
It is hard to be good when 1/2 of the salary cap is out so the comparison isn't fair to any of the 3.
It is still very clear that Dray and Clay need Curry more than Curry needs them.
@@semi6544 ur right I got the year mixed up. I’m not saying curry needed them more than they needed him. Obviously curry is the most important piece of the warriors dynasty. But if there isn’t a klay and draymond, curry wouldn’t have won as much and wouldn’t be seen in the same light. He would have been Reggie miller with handles on steroids. That’s not a terrible thing tho yu can say that for a lot of nba legends
Randal Cunningham was before Cam Newton. Randal Cunningham won and MVP. Randal Cunningham led the Vikings to a 15-1 record. Cunningham existed before Cam.
Cunningham is def an unsung hero!! I think he led his Eagles a couple times in rush yrds, but id have to look that up.
He just brought up cam bc since cam we seen a lot more qbs like that. Even after Randal it was spurts of guys here and there
I didn't get a chance to reply to the guy who said Randal Cunningham never won the MVP. I am glad you deleted the comment and actually used the internet to find out that he actually won it twice.
I am glad you looked up information and found out that Cunningham wasn't just a one hit wonder.
This proves my point of their being an iconic running QB before even Vick.
Randall showed it was possible much earlier than Cam did.
Randall also showed that after your athleticism goes away that you could still be a great pocket QB after your speed leaves you.
Very iconic and relevant QB in NFL history.
Steph has not only domestics but globally has influenced a generation of ball players.
Basketball is a global sport, Football is not.
People always under sell what Cam Newton has accomplished, he’s one of the very seldom people that won a heisman and a national championship, a mvp and went to a superbowl
Cam definitely made a significant mark on today's football
The Eagles don't draft Jalen Hurts without Cam in the league, he made it to a Super Bowl and if it wasn't for injuries would have been the MVP. You can get away with lesser QB play if you can run and extent plays.
@@enigma13ffyall forget although cam was a great runner he was also like 6’5 230. His size and running ability are the reasons he was drafted, someone like jalen hurts who isn’t as big and isn’t as good of a runner I could argue was drafted because of a guy like russell Wilson.
Shady is making 0 sense this entire debate
On god jus up there sayin anything
💯
Yea, Kerr unlocked the Warriors offense to what it is today.
Nothing new
Bro is such a nut hugger it’s crazy 😂😂
Quarterbacks do not try to copy Mahomes, because they don't have the background he has and they are not in the same offensive system he is in so copying him doesn't make sense. Every team in the NBA is searching for "Steph Curry" level production from the 3 pt line to try and mimic him because of how much it impacts today's game.
That's actually a strong take by Bucher, I'm surprised. Great comparison and argument.
Completely. Without Steve Kerr's system and the other Warriors, Steph is a lot like Dame Lillard. Great shooter, but nothing like what he's has done.
How is this even a question? Steph by a long shot
Steph is the answer
Now that Is an incredible response
Steph has got the entire NBA looking for 7+ footers who can shoot 3s and guard the perimeter.. mahomes has not impacted football anywhere near as much as steph has the NBA
Facts
In 2015-16, brook Lopez shot 0.1 threes per game. The next year, after Steph shattered the record for threes in a season and went 73-9 unanimous MVP, brook shot 5 threes a game. Boogie was shooting around 3 threes a game in 15-16. The next year, he shot 6 a game. Karl Anthony Towns shot 1.1 threes a game his rookie year in 2016. In 2017, he more than tripled that playing the same amount of minutes to 3.4 threes per game. Big men who had even a remotely decent jump shot had to start shooting more threes just to try and keep pace
Um there were 7 footers shooting 3s LONG BEFORE curry came along
Ummmmmmm...Caleb Williams is the #1 overall pic (even though he kind has some bad habits and had a bad year) because it's been said "He's got a little Mahomes in him."
Step has women and kids playing like him...
It's Curry because before Pat, there have been many guys that played like Pat. Marino, Rodgers, and even Stafford to a lesser extent have a Mahomes-like playstyle. It's hard to come up with someone who played like Curry
Interesting. Actually for me, Stafford's playstyle is a lot closer to Mahomes than Rodgers to Mahomes. The only similarities between Rodgers and Mahomes is the running out of pocket throws. I don't watch Mahomes/Rodgers and say they remind me of Rodgers/Mahomes but sometimes Stafford's game makes me say that even though Stafford got into the league before Mahomes.
@@lastgiddon mahomes was the first to put it all together. 50 TDs , 5k yards twice! Pat is already in Goat discussions. You don't think middle school and high school QBs imitating mahomes like crazy right now? They are about to draft Caleb Williams who's game is like mahomes.
Mahomes difference with others is that he is actually WINNING, and playing more efficient in the playoff. He got the talent of Rodgers/Marino but the career of Brady (so far).
@@lastgiddon "Actually for me, Stafford's playstyle is a lot closer to Mahomes than Rodgers to Mahomes. "
Yup. Pat cited Stafford as a big, big influence in high school. Stafford was and is one of the finest QB prospects to come out of Texas.
@@madjames2392 nah the draft process has always been racist so now they think lightskins black guys are the best
Shady must’ve forgot about cams rookie year and how rg3 was elevated to the second pick because of that year alone
I’m gonna need Shady to upgrade these takes. I feel like he just sticks to his stuff, no matter how dumb it sounds
Shady can't debate man. How are you agreeing with Rick that it wasn't single handedly but argue anyway?
Steph did the same thing at Davidson. He got drafted without Draymond and Klay being on his team.
Quit trying to lower his excellence.
Steph is Steph and he is the one and only people have a very short memory in this world...
I think the answer lies in that most ppl in the world have no idea who Patrick Mahomes is. Steph has changed an INTERNATIONAL sport. I'm sure there is a very influential people in other sports like darts and Lacrosse, but for the size of the sport and individual influence, it's Steph.
He said what's the difference Aaron Rodgers rodgers didnt have Andy Reid. Patrick did
This shouldn't even be a discussion. Pat is a really good QB, but he didn't change anything about how the game is played.
So he just winning super bowls playing like Alex Smith?
That is clearly not what he said...
I disagree but I respect your opinion🤔
@@madjames2392 cant believe he said “good QB” 😂😂😂😂😂
The number 1 qb who will be drafted plays just like him
They didn't play the clip where LeBron said Steph Curry and Allen Iverson where the two most influentel athlete 's😂😂😂
They never show the clips in CZcams videos
Curry with the handles
It’s curry and it’s not close. Curry nearly killed the PF C position. He is the reason that positionless basketball exists now. I love my guy Mahomes but not close
He didn't change anything, the bigs were disappearing before he became who he is, there was one physical team left and gsw had a hard time beating them and that was Memphis. The league made it easier for jump shooters and more importantly European players, they wanted a global league and that ain't happening with Zack Randolph and Marc Gasol like teams...
Rick running circles around Shady lol
Steph we haven't a shooter as great as him
I love Mahomes and the Chiefs, but come on-Steph basically killed the center position as we knew it…
5:33
Ric cooked Shady here lol
Steph all day all day . Once this man retired I am done with nba and nba league pass
😯😯😯😯😯
I've never even heard people claim Pat changed the game. The passing boom was already happening in like 2009-2010. Potential future GOAT? Maybe...but I don't see the game changed BECAUSE of him.
Bro everybody is trying draft a qb that can run to the left and throw the ball right.
It’s not about the passing game. It’s about the passing game along side being able to run like yeah there were QBs like Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Steve Young, who were either really good at one or the other but Patrick Mahomes is one of the best in each has the accuracyas well as the IQ which is what people are looking for now is “the next Patrick Mahomes nobody’s looking for the next Steph Curry they’re looking for the next Jordan, the next LeBron James
But I do agree that curry was more influential, 100%
@@boogster9526 you agreeing with me or?
Circus throws can raise a qbs draft status , thanks to Mahomes, the the current number 1 draft pick plays just like Mahomes..
Winning off script, "black " quarterback being viable winning option. I know he is mixed thats why its in quotes.
Stop. He black
@@rolobrown1692 your generation says mixed aint black not mine.
@williamcartwright373 millennial here. Mixed people not being black is a social media thing. This was never a talking point when we were growing up. I bet if Mahomes had multiple baby moms, some legal issues and drug problem. You'd call him black then. If he's not black then Obama isn't black
LMAO is this a serious question?? One changed the sport and its professional league, trail blazed a path for future ballers and the other is very very good at his position..
Thank God Joy is on the show. She be breaking things down. She always make more since then other person on the panel. Plus she hella fine.
Joy looks hella fine but really don't know what she talking about always co-signing that shady b.s
Cam WAS seen an elite. And in that short time he absolutely changed the way QB is played. Of course he didn’t sustain that but he still changed the way that position is played.
You don't have to elite to be influential. When teams, coaches or an entire league are making you the focal point of their game plan, that's influence.
Shady got personal hate for cam but cam had impact
Jalen hurts is the prime example of Cam being more influential
that cam newton point was very very reasonable 2015 cam had the league in the palm of his hands
Mahomes had an unstoppable MVP season twice (2018 and 2022)
I actually like ricks takes yall should have him on more often
Steve Kerrs motion offense unlocked the entire team
My how people forget nba players were rushing to go see Steph play at Davidson 😂
As a Chiefs fan Steph is the answer. But Mahomes is the Steph Curry of the NFL. Teams were built to beat the Steph Curry Warriors the same way teams are built to beat the Patrick Mahomes Chiefs
Why scream to get control of the conversation...this segment was chaotic
Life long Chiefs fan here…it’s Curry no question.
Vick made mobile QBs popular not Cam. Cam was just the first to win MVP and reach the SB.
Patrick is not the reason why mobile QBs are a thing. Not even close to it. Vick made mobility popular
I can see the Cam Newton argument
Does Joy always have to stand-up for Shady 🙄? Think Shady may be replaced soon because his points don't make sense and are weak at times. Great personality, but without Acho and Joy, he sounds a little lost.
Man, its like Shady doesn’t actually watch NBA
Pat didn't change the way Football is played, Steph DID
If a player makes the rules of the game change; that's an influence. Like OT rules in NFL. Just some food for thought.
To simplify the conversation for all you folks. It is Steph....because what Patrick is doing can not and will not be duplicated. He is one of one. He won't change the game because every QB who tries to play like him will fail and be benched. GOAT.
Everybody was doing the superman td by cam and the dabs
Both players have teammates and mahomes honestly doesn’t do anything that special he hasn’t changed the game of football. He is a winner and i respect that
Steph revolutionized multiple things in his game. The importance of the 3, switching on screens to where everyone has to come up on it, even a center. As Lebron stated in jj podcast the idea that no less is safe going into 4th quarter now. Lastly he destroyed centers careers.
They call Patrick Mahomes Aaron Rodgers on steroids for crying out loud
ok?
They lost track of their debate. Steph has obviously been most responsible for changing the game, but Mahomes definitely changed the way teams are drafting. That's why every QB who does a few side arms on the run is going1st round
I don't think so, i think they stayed on track. Mahomes hasnt changed the way qb is played.. curry has not only changed the way pgs play.. but now we want our pfs to be able to shoot the 3, and our centers to space the floor. Also to their point except shady, there were players b4 mahomes that can be credited IF the qb position is played.. but the most dominant style is still in the pocket
No doubt, winning championships does help the impact/influence of how to play the game, to win.
However, in Steph Curry’s case, he displayed that when shooting volume 3s at a high make percentage… it could have a major impact on winning basketball games. (And exploiting gravity and space that comes with shooting well, when far from the basket)
If Steph was drafted to the Knicks, and never won a championship, he would still have been capable of displaying the impact of 3s in game… when basketball analyzers see his percentages and them winning games, they’d crunch the tradeoff from 2s to 3s, as well as when young kids watch a “short” appearing basketball player look cool pulling up from 30 feet and draining it consistently.
He may not solely have the same impact if he didn’t win championships, but it would still have been similar influence with time.
It’s clearly Curry and I’m a Chiefs fan!! And this is not a knock on Mahomes, but quite the opposite! There will be more people who will come in shooting from deep range like Curry, probably not as consistently, but will have the same style of play and will do it at a high level! But Mahomes is a one-of-one! You can’t influence what can’t be imitated!!
Cam Had Every One Wearing Them High Ankle Under Armor Cleats 🤣💯
Mahomes was throwing left handed passes for conversions, revitalized the no-look pass, and threw every off-platform throw that would get a normal QB benched and on top of all that he was that guy out the gate (first year starting won MVP). I love Curry and he absolutely changed the game of basketball (was also a unanimous MVP I believe) but Mahomes did it in the biggest sport in America while being clutch in every Championship win.
Patrick came in the league being good. He didn't have to work up to his play like Steph did.
But unlike steph, Mahomes came on a team with talent.. all pros. Curry was always good, but when he got some complimentary pieces.. he became a beast.
Gotta go with Steph on this one. Mahomes hasnt really brought any new way to play, hes just near perfect in multiple ways to play. Whether its throws from the pocket, on the move, the deep pass, or the dink and dunk hes great at it all. So hes not really "influencing" the sport, just dominating it.
Mahomes for me ! Curry just gives small people confidence to play basketball!
More fair question would be who has had a more impressive career in their respective sports
no Mahomes by far
Yeah, that would be better! I would still say Steph but defiantly more room to talk.
@@ChristianLindseyit's definitely Mahomes
they both have fair arguments but Curry has 4 chips, 6 finals appearances, two MVPs (Only unanimous ever), 1 FMVP, and 3pt record@@ryankayombya7576
Both are amazing and Mahomes could definitely pass him! But I am a basketball fan so I don't know as much and could be wrong
Nah Shady wrong this time. Cam was more influential
Without Steph there is no Catlin Clark.
Who?
Realistically, it's an unfair question. Steph has been in the league for 15 years. Mahomes is in year 7. In their respective sports, Curry is past his prime and a couple years from retirement where Mahomes, barring injury, is in his prime and not even halfway through his career.
How has Mahomes influenced anything? His game can't be replicated, and he isn't influential off the field
Steph not even close
Why is it not close ? Pat Mahomes might tie curry in chips this year think about how Mahomes has never not played in an afc championship dude has barely lost in a physical sport
It’s not about chips lol. Common man use your head.
@@derrickmason7457 you just misunderstood the question. It’s not “the best”. It’s most influential. Mahomes hasn’t changed football like Steph has changed basketball. I would give that title to Peyton. Steph for sure for basketball.
I'm trying to figure out why they keep comparing Mahomes to basketball players? There are only two athletes he compares too, he ain't there yet, but the only two people are Russell and Gretzky! Jordan, LeBron, Curry ain't doing these things! I love Curry, but he didn't change the game, just like when Magic and Bird came in, they didn't change it. The league allowed all 3 to succeed! Curry by the rules and taking out the big man. Magic and Bird by tv contract and more importantly the calls for superstars... don't argue, go fact check!
Thats not a fair comparison because Patty is CURRENTLY changing how to play QB. He’s the only QB to play fundamentally unsound and makes it work. With the cross body throws, no look passes, running around the backfield extending plays. Thats not fundamentally sound QB play but he’s perfected it so much so that anyone who tries to replicate it doesn’t workout as well.
I would say Vick gave people the idea of having the QB run more as a threat. Cam was the proof of concept that you can reach the Superbowl without an elite passing game. BUT in terms of changing the game? What did people say when Cam lost? "If he could throw better..." so no change. Steph? Changed the conversation from "we need big physical guys in the paint" to "where the shooters at?" That is a big change in philosophy.
Defense sure has really leaned on cover 2 shell ever since Pat got into the NFL
Aka the Vic Fangio defense. It seems like half of the teams run some variation of it
lol I love how they do the “I think Lebron meant this, or meant that” no… he said what he said go off that 🤣
It's Steph, but it's closer than I think some people would say. He has fundamentally changed the way NBA teams play offense, but Mahomes has influenced both sides of the ball in subtler ways. The more obvious one is that NFL defenses have loaded up and adjusted their schemes to defend him-first by taking away the deep ball, then by blitzing more often, now by taking away the sidelines, and he's managed to adjust as well. The less obvious one is that the AFC has tried their hardest to bring up superstar franchise QBs in his mold, in hopes of finding someone who can go toe to toe with him: Mayfield, Allen, Jackson, Lawrence, Tagovailoa, Burrow, Herbert, Stroud, Richardson, on and on.
To change entire NBA and the way basketball is played at most levels has changed because of curry. To Patrick’s credit he’s a once in a generational talent. There’s very few that are as physically gifted as mahomes.
Just look at the numbers too. Mahomes doesn't put up numbers that shock anybody. He's just really good. Steph is GREAT. He puts up numbers nobody else ever will.
Even Cam said Patrick's that guy...and without doubt a Cam made a major if not strong embark in the league, but Patrick just raised the bar.
shady consistently has to have outside help to make a point that isn’t even being argued lol
On the allen Iverson point, both bron and jj Redick DID also mention how AI might have influenced the game just as much as curry from a cultural/style/attitude standpoint. Even had white dudes rocking braids, durags and tattoos lol. So it on and off "court" influence they were talking about. Not just game performances
I can’t believe that cam became part of this conversation
Nobody was consistently slinging those side arms and weird across the body throws before Mahomes. Them saying he hasn’t impacted the NFL is disgraceful
Cam/ Lamar scramble to run, Mahomes scrambles to throw, there’s a difference
Chiefs fan, but but give Currie the slight edge, but entire N.F.L. is drafting just to beat Mahomes and Andy Reid!!
The disrespect to this day I swear. Fran Tankerton started the mobile qb movement. He was og pioneer and was looked at like a freak by even his own coaches. Was an MVP, a 3 time champ and 9 time probowler. He crawled so the next the 90's can walk (Mcnaab, Vic, Young etc) so the 2000s can run and so this generation can sprint. Put some respect on his name!
Agree except Fran was never a champion
Don't forget Moon.
Steph changed the way basketball is played. Big men who can’t shoot are literally dinosaurs because of Steph. Not to mention the value that had become the 3 point line.
Its Steph for sure, but Rick is right ... Everything James Jones said more makes Rick's point.... There have be a few great shooters before Steph but because of his extra level it took guys like Draymond for that to work... Anyone who knows baskrtball knows the offense flows through Draymond... It has to in order for Steph to be lethal anywhere on the court because he can move off the ball. And having Klay makes defenses have to make a choice and stay disciplined because you have to stay there at home on Klay also. Shady is out of his mind saying you could get other guys like Draymond and Klay... If that was the case why would Golden State have put up with so much from him? That Warrior's core will never be replicated.
Also, I don't think Shady or Joy understand what the word influential means. Rick is right and maybe even more so Michael Vick but he was before his time and didn't make it as far. Cam helped changed how a QB is viewed and they are neglecting the fact that Pat Mahomes was compared to Aaron when he came in on how he moves and throws.... It was literally said multiple times throughout the draft process. Pat is very successful and wins, no doubt, but he hasn't influenced the game in a way that fundamentally changes how its played or even what a QB is. Cam did that