Rings of Power showrunners FAILED for 10 years. . .
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Sometimes you fail for ten years, then strike gold. Other times, you show the world WHY you failed for 10 years.
This video was informative and entertining! Keep up the good work!
Bro you couldn't have said it better they tried to emulate peter & co on every level. Bad fucking idea.
Well said
They failed for 10 years by doing the same thing again and again, why did anyone think it would be a succes?
Have nobody told them the definition of insanity?
Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum
My band teacher once told us this: "Skill without passion is boring, passion without skill is just embarrassing."
Somehow, these showrunners accomplished both at the same time.
this is why we still need winners and losers. this right here.
Hehe I like that quick and dirty rundown.
My musical attempts are somewhere in the middle of it all. But I’m rededicating myself to it. You can’t kinda learn something and then take a break and try to occasionally do it.
Hit that right on the head! RoP is both boring and embarrassing, or at least they would be embarrassed if they had the sense to realize how bad they are.
Because they have neither passion nor skill.
@@asarishepard8171 Certainly, they existed.
Those blinded by ambition.
Those consumed with vengeance.
But here, they do not exist.
Only winners...
... and losers here.
For here, THE MIGHTY RULE.
for the past decade. the makers been going into studio offices like
"Hello. We would like to make Lord of the Rings for TV, but worse"
"No"
"But....."
"No, piss off"
Finally, after years of rejection, one of em went
"Huh, I have an idea"
They both show up, with blue streaks in their hair, sipping on soy lattes
"Hello comrades. Lord of the Rings. Black elves."
Amazon "You're hired, heres a billion.
You've unironically summarised how it happened
are you an amazon insider? this is the most realistic scenario that i have heard
This but unironically
don't forget blue twitter checkmarks
You must be a School of Divination wizard to have seen so clearly into that conference room.
Simon Tolkien both wanted Jackson to be less faithful to The Lord of the Rings, and was “excited” to see how Jackson and the writers would expand from there. I don’t care what his opinions on the six movies are, I don’t care if he liked OR hated the Hobbit movies, he should not get a say on his grandfather's work or its adaptations.
Agreed.
China owns it now fools.
Simon is an example of why some cultures didn't automatically pass the kingship from father to son.
I have a feeling Simon wanted to change his fathers and grandfathers work out of spite.
Practice makes perfect! Just imagine how bad they will be able to do in another 10 years...
Yeah without those 10 years of failure they never could have destroyed so much of Tolkien's legacy in just one season.
Failure isn't the issue, not learning why they failed and fixing it is the issue. The 'It's always someone else's fault' mentality is not only childish, it shows they aren't prepared to take accountability and responsibility.
😂😂
@@afelias : As the old saying goes, "It only takes one village idiot to destroy the village."
”All too easy.”
"The spirit of Tolkien is about disparate peoples who don't trust one another and look different from one another finding common ground in friendship and accomplishing big things"
The show has accomplished this, we are all united in our disgust of the show!
The only reason those guys were hired is because management thought they could control them. That's what all the studios do, they hire yes men. It has nothing to do with their success as writers.
Are you referring to the knight watch and Markus and
@@ironandzinc I am referring to the Rings of power showrunners
i also suspect they were some of the only options left to them after all the professional writers got a list of what was and wasn't allowed from Amazon.
When you hear about the company mandates for 'diversity and inclusion' in their products.... yeah, i don't think anyone can actually write a good story they'd be satisfied with
Towards the end I just love how Nathan is sitting back in an almost meditative state and marvelling at the passion behind Marcus' epic rant.
The only thing better than watching Nathan's reaction to people on rants is when Nathan loses his calm, collected manner and goes on a rant, himself.
Bruh, Marcus went in and I loved it. One of the biggest Tolkein fans and part of the reason for my love of Tolkein was my great grandad. A man who literally went to war to fight Fascists. These guys (Payne & Mkcay) can get fucked.
Sir Markus is starting to prove his quality and its best of its kind!
It's a beautiful thing to hear someone put your thoughts and rage and apathy into words.
Amazon was going to be very faithful to the Silmarillion. then they hired a person who now runs up Amazon streaming service. Jennifer Salke (CEO). if you look closely she resembles the Galadriel character they hired. So you have a very woke person in charge of the streaming services, who fired the person who now works at HBO because she felt he was being toxic masculine in his Conan series he was producing.
these two guys seeing what was going on changed their marketing and re-introduced themselves to her kissing her butt. stroking her ego. and suckering her into letting them produce the show.
And now you know the rest of the story
I’ll bet the show-runners were on the losing debate team, but got participation trophies and thought, “we are big-time winners!”
nailed it!
I'll bet they sold their souls to wokeness right from the start. They were probably debating that raci$m was the cause of mite infestations of bee hives in that high school debate team.
Sounds about right, considering the quality of their work and their so-called defense of it.
You just hit the largest issue with current western culture. Instead of people looking at a failure and asking themselves, "What could I have done to have instead succeeded" they say, "Society is wrong and needs to be changed so I can succeed". Self accountability is gone in these people. They genuinely believe that all of their problems are because of other people and have nothing to do with themselves at all.
Why am I not suprised that the writers met in the debates-club and not in a drama/theatre/writers/novell club or anything that has more to do with making something than in a club for arguing why what they made is good?
One would think people in debate club would either have careers as politicians or lawyers, yet somehow these two writers either didn't want to go into these careers or were just bad at it.
Debate club is about race politics.
I’ve seen interviews. I was in debate championships for three years when I was in high school, those two wouldn’t have cut it to be in our team. Is there anything they can actually do well? Besides bastardizing IPs I mean.
10 years and never even solid one script, one reason why a lot of people think this is some sort of money laundering scheme
scheme maybe, but not schism, and definitely not chism.
I don’t think it’s money-laundering, but more a prediction that this was the direction that culture was shifting.
The problem was their prediction was not based on reality but screaming retards on Twitter.
Probably some sort of money loading organism.
@@ivicamajmunskikreten9714 Money laundering skiff, squawk, squall, scone?
@@ivicamajmunskikreten9714 Not a word I use very offten.
You two flow well together, good riffing all around.
i concur
Agreed!!
I miss Oz
In Hollywood it has always been more WHO YOU KNOW, not WHAT YOU KNOW.
INDEED
It is also who you are willing to suck.
You spelled blow wrong.
@@RiylanCorma touche
Dam Ellison
I suspect the main reason they were hired is because JJ Abrams has some sort of leverage over the folks at Amazon (such as through his wife's MeToo crusade), and when they called Abrams to 'put in a good word for them,' it was really an appeal to exert that coercion and force.
In other words, it was the whiny entertainer going to the Godfather crying that he didn't get a job, and the Godfather got him the job
Amazon didn't want them. They cried to JJ, who threatened Amazon. Amazon relented under pressure and hired them.
"YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE, SERVANTS OF AMAZON! YOU ARE NAMELESS, FACELESS, FORMLESS! GO BACK TO THE VOID FROM WHENCE YOU CAME!!!"
YOU SHALL NOT MAKE PROFIT!
@@dwavenminer wrong citation.
WHENCE
@@pineutrino Thank you.
They come from hell not the void. The void is the home of the old ones.
You forgot to mention that Peter Jackson was not only passionate, but when when he pitched the movie he had already a good "pedigree", which included a recent oscar nomination.
What i've heard is that there was a script that was more to the actual books before, but when Christopher Tolkien died it all changed. Might not be... but as things started to change within the production when it happened (Tom shippey getting fired is one) and that Simon Tolkien who took over who is famous for being jealous of his granfather. Who also likes to divert what was written... it all just feels like a pattern.
When amazon first announced the series, the pitch they gave all the jurnos was it was about young aragorn's travels. In the appendixes (and referenced a handful of times in the main book story itself) it describes how he travels across Middle earth,starting with his ranger culture in the remnants of arnor, and then first traveling south to spend time rohan and gondor before sneaking into the lands controled by sauron, and meeting and learning about the easterlings, haradrim, etc.
At some point that was scrapped and it became about the 2nd age.
You know, if this show had been good, this story would be really inspiring. These guys struck out for decades and then managed to get a job writing a story for the most famous fantasy series in recent history.
If.
God knows I wanted this show to be good, but from the very beginning when more news started flowing it was clear it won't be.
One thing to consider with regard of hiring the amazing duo is how much the executives from Amazon Video wanted their agenda presented through RoP. Markus had a good point about the yes men. What they did to WoT would support that view, together with hiring these two without any real proven track record, corporate america is woke.
The lotr movies left a lot out from the books but Jackson remarks he was highlighting the main narrative so he couldn’t get it all without making the movie too packed. If Jackson could’ve made three 12 hour movies he would’ve
It would have been bad like The Hobbit. PJ is the same as Lucas. They both need producers that are selective.
They managed to pack a kilometres long logistics NIGHTMARE into three ships. If you know anything about logistics is that it's usually more like: one ship of troops and 12 ships of supplies and support personnel.
The Russian army would love to have those Tardis sailers.
You can expect a low technology society like this to have enough food for a couple of days which allows them space to set up a defensive site. Scouts would already have worked out nearby grazing for horses, sources of water and local settlements. The rest of the supplies would be taken from the locals or foraged. The Numenoreans likely had their own form of lembas bread would which cut down on space needed for food.
@@damionkeeling3103 you still need maintenence personnel, horses, arms, munitions and other supplies besides food. Like drinking water or oil and repair equipment. An army is really resource intensive and pillage isn't really in the Numenorian MO.
@@admiralcasperr
And a supply line/ communications line of some kind, in all likelihood- linking back to a beachhead (assuming they were not going to just abandon their ships when they landed)....
@@admiralcasperr Numenorian equipment likely needed little maintenance because of how well it was crafted. It's also likely that much of the specialist skills would be provided by the soldiers. They had long life spans and would have had several skills beyond combat.
Pillaging isn't the MO of the typical Numenorian but then they likely had tradable goods of a quality guaranteed to get what they wanted. Outside of that they would have had to forage.
Little is said how they established themselves. It's likely not every tribe welcomed them yet they ended up securing a very large area, conquest must have happened from time to time.
New subscriber. Thank you for covering the atrocities committed by these "writers." Tolkien has been precious to me since childhood and seeing these stories not only trashed in the characters and their motivations, but also just the horrific juvenile writing mistakes and corny script, it's insulting to the professor and fans. Sorry it took this long for your channel to show up on my feed!
They're activists first and writers second. Hence their absolute incompetence.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo they're not even good at being activists god damn grave looters
It really felt like they sold their souls to the devil, but were not specific enough. They got the job despite the universe saying no, but they forgot to include the part where their work will be accepted by the fans.
Idiots.
Rome was an amazing show. I am so glad it got a small mention. That is how you do an epic show.
I just wish they hadn't 'telescoped' so many events into the 2nd season- it feels like there were at the very least- several scenes missing - had they made it 12 eps, to flesh things out, & tie the right things together, & leave the rest open- it would have been better. But yes, 💯% agree: *love* ROME - it was unique & fresh- & the characters & writing were on-point!
it was before its time.
if it came out a few years later it would have been epic
The only thing missing is the showrunners trying to sell NFT's from the RoP. Without that, it all doesn't make sense.
You two are calming to listen to and easy on the eyes. I enjoy your content. I just don’t comment often.
"and easy on the eyes" haha
When isn't knights watch easy on the eyes?
They obviously come from really rich families: that’s how they could afford to be unsuccessful “screenwriters” in LA for 10 years. They got the job because of their contacts.
It was known that many people left the show when it was being made. Most famously, everyone who was hired as a lore expert.
These showrunners are an inspiration for people with no creative talent. I couldn't write a compelling fantasy story if given a lifetime but now I am thinking that I should I send my empty showrunner resume to Amazon for their next big budget project. Why not? It worked for these guys.
To quote another of my favorite creators. "Amazon, how are you this rich when you suck at capitalism this much?"
But it's crony capitalism you see.
Tax-evasion?
I really don't wanna know HOW they got the job.
Blueish, probably.
Misa jar jar abram binks beche beche
They tick all the 2022 woke boxes
Nepotism.
You read their reply. Got to admit, they are dam good at sending the MESSAGE!!
When I read that article when it first came out I literally went "WHAT?!". I initially expected them to have written for other shows/films (even if whatever they worked on wasn't a hit) but for all their scripts to have gotten rejected for 10 years? This whole thing with the showrunner made me understand why people speculated that there was nepotism involved in RoP's production.
Everyone and everything was so bad in that show that Deeza's relaxed acting felt like tension relief.
yeah im not gonna lie, i enjoyed her scenes. shes a good actor!
@@asarishepard8171 If only they'd just let her shine instead of reflexively jumping to "Y'ALL ARE GONNA HATE HER CUZ YOU RACIST!!!1!"
@@TaoScribble or coaching her or whatever was going on to say hit point topics during her interview. I'm gonna assume she herself is misinformed about the culture war happening wiith shows like this.
@@TaoScribble With everything she said BEFORE the show even aired and showing her acting prowess, can you realy blame people for saying what they said? As the wise Miyagi said - show, don't tell.
Your squire is slowly but surely heating up his motor and starts to show his emotions - that's great!! If he stays on that path, he's a really great addition to the knights' round...great video!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻💕
Good to see you again Marcus. You seem to be fitting right in. Doing a great job so far.
Thanks, glad to be welcomed.
Feanor's crest is actually pretty fitting, with her behaving as the daughter of Feanor
Hey guys, its worse than seven pitches, they said seven "more" times after their second was rejected... That's nine attempts smh
"What are they protecting?" That there's some good left in the world, and it's worth fighting for.
When you said a feller came forth with a possibility fr a Shakespearean take on things, all I thought was "so people dancing about on a stage trying not to get hit by stuff being thrown at them from a drunk audience whilst trying to say their lines?".
Was watching them rant when an add interrupted playing the song "We're Not Gonna Take It." Most perfect timing ever!
Wouldn’t it be that they failed for 11 years now?
haha yea and since this is a "life-time" project or whatever they called it... they're failures forever now
What really irks me about all of this is that the rumors and talk only focus on the two writing idiot being sidelined and/or fired. How is it that their isn't active calls for the likes of Salke and her goons getting the proverbial axe as well? Most discussions act like these two are THE problem, and while that's fair let's not pretend that Guyladriel isn't a self insert for Salke much like Rey and Holdo are self inserts for KK.
When James Joyce wrote _Ulysses_ while living outside of Ireland, he used to write to friends and family and ask them to walk from a certain place to a certain place and tell him how long it took.
Being true to the time a character in a fiction takes to travel from one place to another is NOT a new idea. These "writers" should enroll in a high school creative-writing class--and then take the red markings on their homework and the F grades to heart.
So the duo of "McPayne" are "Master Debaters"? Makes So Much Sense.
The new "Squire", Marcus - Love Him! Great Addition to Knights Watch!
Incredible job. Yall were spot on and then went above and beyond with this one! 👌
You guys release videos at the perfect time haha i wake up to a video of pure glory, great way to start off my day! Keep up the good work and be ever vigilant!
The appendices had all you needed for a show that could've easily and completely been put together. Also, remember, they could pay extra if they needed to, for characters, and plot points in other works.
Instead of The Rings of Power... it could've been Lord of the Rings: The Last Alliance
If they had competent people and knew that people would tolerate time jumps from season to season.
Season 1 and 2: The Fall of Numenor and the rise of Gondor. They could've even kept their weird woke messaging, with humans hating on the elves, and elves at contention with the humans. We could've had the story of the Black Numenorians roving the country side as a threat. We could've had the Dwarves and Harfoots (as Harfoots hung out and lived in proximity to the dwarves) and the Mines of Moira Dwarves were the only Clan mentioned by Tolkien to fight against Sauron.
Galadriel could be sensing something truly evil is coming, feel it in the air, taste it in the water, and it leads to her leaving her husband when the Elvish council tells her that the men are corrupt, and that they will do what they are to do.
Her sense of great evil leads her to Numenor, where she discovers a man who she senses great evil in, speaking in the ear of the king to invade Valinor. Something like that, if you needed her.
Seasons 3 and 4: Sauron loses his physical form, caught in the flood of Numenor, and reforges himself as the Dark Lord, with help of the one ring, anchoring his existence to this world to the ring. He begins to build his army, the elves seek to warn men, and seek to prepare for war. The men fight amongst themselves, the dwarves deal with problems, and a small group of harfoots end up stuck in the middle.
Here she ends up in Lothlorien, trying to work with the leaders, as the world has been made round, and she doesn't trust in her own council to fight the evil.
Season 5: The Last Alliance of Men and Elves hangs on a thread, will it snap before they go to the battle that will decide the fate of middle earth.
Galadriel wouldn't be canonical, but most the rest of the stuff is in the appendices.
Remind me, when pre-production started, was Christopher still alive? Or the other guy name of whom I forget that held some if the rights...
I'd think they may smell bullshitters a mile away and wouldn't give them the rights. It wasn't all about the money before, but Tolkien's Estate of today... Well.
@@tomaszwota1465 no this was totally simon. This happened I believe almost right after christopher died.
They got rid if Tom Shippey during production. That's all you need to know somehow.
33 minutes in and I get hit with an Amazon Prime ad. I'm gonna sulk in a corner now
the passion of that rant is what i wanted for a tolkien adaptation
Writing for the screen is a challenging form to master. Deceptively simple in appearance.
Marcus has embraced his new position with such enthusiasm.
Nathan is sharp as a knife
"Recent Star Trek does not have standards!" Well said! And so true.
21:10: Nepotism! I don´t like that whole BadRobot-rubbish and -cronyism. And these morons really shouldn´t speak out loud that Daddy JarJar made a call and secured them this gig.
You guys are a great fun to watch, thank you!
That Meloni bit totally blindsided me. Jesus fucking Christ. What an article.
@ 21:16
Was that good word by JJ Abrams maybe something like: "Take them and get them out of my hair!" Maybe ( blink , blink)
JarJar Abrums made a call, and for some unfathomable reason the "Lord of Mystery Boxes" "Master of Random Screaming" "Commander of the Brain Dead" still has clout in Hollywood. One would think being the most prolific IP serial killer of all time would ruin one's credibility.
Star Wars, Star Trek, and Tolkien's work all desecrater by JarJar Abrums and his acolytes.
about Feanor's star. Redheaded children that took Galadriels paper boat down with stones _were_ children of Feanor! And she, putting their fatherss emblem on herself ...
I don’t understand, why is it so hard for those people say “I’m sorry. I’ll do better”
Might be they're actually "patently evil"
When I started writing, I sent an early manuscript of mine to a literature association because they offered to review manuscripts. They immediately sent me back a publishing-contract but I ended up turning them down.
Why? Because I KNEW that my writing was not good enough to be published yet and I had not quite figured out everything about the story. It turned out to be the right call because a few months later I ended up scrapping the entire setting of the story because it just was not working out. (Also I later found out that these associations are often quite unprofessional and just want to get your money. Definitely true, when you consider the quality of the early manuscript that I sent to them)
I have learned and improved a lot since then but I know that I still have a long way to go in order to create my best possible work. Becoming a good writer takes time, patience, dedication and a critical view of ones own work.
That mentality alone is missing from Hollywood.
Well done for sniffing out 'too good to be true'. If you ever want some independent editorial work on your texts, feel free to contact me. No charges- it is just a side hobby of mine.
@@mandowarrior123 I mostly write in german so I am not sure how much you can help me, but thank you for the offer :)
Disa actress was actually a joy. I enjoyed hers and durins scenes. Good acting is good acting and I won't lie about it. Galadriel made me laugh everytime she did something.
Galadriel is a walking meme in Amazon's series.
Hey, Shad! I'm building my own sci-fi universe after watching your Star Wars replacement livestream. I call it the Wolveverse, where aliens and anthropomorphic animals travel amongst the stars and become the subjects of epic stories. I will post a video on my channel describing the lore, as well as my critiques of current culture. Can't wait to share my ideas for the Wolveverse!
Kool
13:27 Simon Tolkien complained about the original trilogy being “too” faithful to the source material 🤦♂️
The fact they have come out recently claiming that the way Tolkien wrote the forging of the rings was stupid and they thought they could do it better tells me everything I need to know about the two showrunners.
They didn't care about Tolkien's work, and they basically attempted to make a very expensive knockoff of the Peter Jackson films and failed big time.
I think you guys nailed it when it came to them calling in daddy JJ and Amazon wanting the two of them to be Yes Men. I imagine with each rejected pitch they slowly changed due to whatever little hints the executives were giving them about what would make them say yes, and by pitch seven they were like fine whatever we just want a paycheck and our names on something that will actually see the light of day...and the Executives sat back like Mr Burns and gave a hearty "Excellent!"
"Is Oz secret? Is Oz safe?" - Gandalf007, CZcams Subscriber-at-large.
On your mention of the expanse, I’m obsessed with the books and the show but for those who dont know SYFY started the expanse with the book writers as the show writers. They kept it pretty true to the books. Once Amazon picked it up the show production quality went up but they separated paths pretty hard from the books which was unfortunate
Is that what happened in... S5, was it? It was really interesting for a few seasons, but the last couple of seasons tried to drama it up hard, with stuff that hadn't been even hinted at. Focused on characters that the show hadn't tried to make me care about before, brought in new ones that it tried to make me care about way too fast...
Amazon taking over would explain it. Heh.
@@RiylanCorma Amazon picked it up with S4. The book writers were still the show writers but once Amazon picked it up it felt like they got pretty heavy handed on controlling where it went. Plus it didn’t help that Cas Anvar(Alex Kamal) was a bit of a predator off camera and got “metoo’d” so they killed his character off in S5. Apparently Bezos himself pulled the strings for Amazon to pick it up cuz it was one of his favorite book series” and didn’t wanna see the show end I wish they gave the expanse 1/4 of the promotion they gave rings of power cuz they barely promoted it. Hopefully it gets picked up for the last 3 season eventually. Plenty of time to happen cuz those seasons are a 30 year time jump in the books
Regarding the 7 times to pitch the script: There is 3 ways this could go, probably, but it's all about who they had to pitch this to. If it was to Tom Shippy and the Tolkien estate (pre-Christopher's death), then yeah, we know they got rejected at least once or twice. If it was to Amazon execs, they could have been rejected easily for any number of checkmark, film-by-formula reasons (or that they sucked). Then, finally, they could have simply had to pitch it to multiple tiers of executives at amazon, and any one failure started the whole chain over again.
But in the end, everyone involved in this process either died too early to stop it, or failed to stop this obamination from coming into being.
And Galadriel despised Feanor and refused to give him a lock of her hair when he asked for it. Feanor was a psychopath, albeit an extremely artistically gifted one.
If Bezos was a true Tolkien-fan, this mess wouldn't have survived Shippey leaving.
Also, New Line didn't bet anything on LOTR, they had 80% presold. There's a nice interview with Jackson on CZcams where he says that.
You mean they “failed for 10 years SO FAR.” They’re still at it!
One of the writers for RoP is a friend of a friend. Apparently, they've been unable to form an idea where they're going with it from one episode to the next because of how much pressure they're under from Amazon.
Apart from scientific, I really can't recall debates being popular anywhere but the US. only americans can glorify something so trivial as arguing. every time I read "we had such a good debate" I think "nah bro, you argued, that's it".
48:40 Tolkien didn't actually say that. It's a modified version of a quote from Frodo Baggins.
31:30 Jackson did have the books to work with, but that doesn't matter, they had the rights to 12000 pages of Wheel of Time and went ahead and ignored everything about that as well. Having capable people in the right positions is crucial, especially in art, something that Amazon just doesn't or want to understand. There's a lot of shit flinging around these days, politics, war, pandemic, people being polarized on social media for cheap ad revenue and engagement- and it's effecting our entertainment. I hope we're going to get through this horrible time fellas.
Hollywood related Shakespeare for the modern era with West Side Story, and it worked... but that model is hard apparently.
Sometimes in the past I worry when a show hands off the reigns to the "side cast" and worry they won't be able to carry the show along.
So seeing Marcus just bolt out the gate and deliver an epic verbal beatdown was just so satisfying...
That post in Wired about the "raping of the Fellowship of the ring" is here. www.wired.com/2001/10/lotr/
The biggest thing to remember about this post is that it was quoted in this article 2 months before the Fellowship of the Rings was released.
My favorite way to break someone's argument is to quote them directly, and we now have too many quotes.
I'd say it's most likely J.J. got their foot in the door, and it's why they kept getting chances...
Misa jar jar abram binks!
I'm completly flabbergasted by this show-runners
JJ Abrams recommending them makes me think of that "Curb Your Enthusiasm" episode.
"Hello, this is JJ Abrams calling to "RECOMMEND" these two guys Payne and McKay, so if they ask if I recommended them you can in fact say I did."
"What! You actually hired them? That was a non-recommend recommend!"
How did I not find you guys sooner? Liked and subscribed. Cheers!
Reject FOREVER. Respet Tolkien legacy. Amawoke is evil.
They sure do have sore knees from that "working hard for 10 years" LOL
I just had to look up the term “girl boss” in relation to the date of that “Fellowship of the Ring” review. That term was popularized in… 2014. That review of Galadriel in FotR definitely did not come out anywhere close to when the movie came out. Sounds a little suspicious. (Do they still think that nobody knows how to look stuff up on the net?)
🤔
A Shakespearean take: A short, say, three-episode serise of The Hobbit done in iambic pentameter would make an interesting fan film or student project, maybe a fun watch, but that's about it.
My 2 year old nephew throws a tantrum when he can't get his own way, how old are these 'writers' again?
Unfortunately we've got most of a generation that were overly sheltered and never grew up, at least not mentally or personality-wise. We're looking at the result of participation trophies and always being told how "special" they were instead of making them face reality.
@@freedantheeternal These writers are only 6 years younger than me, so I'm not sure that's it, or at least not all of it. There's a huge problem in western societies at the moment where failure is rewarded, and what people feel is more important than reality. I think those are the issue as it relates to creative media.
@@elminster8149 Except that's exactly what I said but trying to reduce the scale. It's far more than just creative media, if you take the time to look around.
You're missing the forest fire because you're busy watching one tree burn.
@@freedantheeternal Sure it's a wider issue, but creative media is the area being covered in this video. I'm well aware of wider issues in other areas, just trying to stay specific to the subject matter. My comment is not 'exactly what you said'. 🤨
Hell
New guy got a laugh out of me with "This is their BEST work..... anyway..."
Bad Robot, it's the name and description
8:18 "Professionals have stenderds."
--Sniper
I dunno why it always feels like that.
Dayum, Marcus, way to end to show! Perfect quote.
This is their best work....LOOOOL! It's their ONLY work that got published.
Oh man. New guy and Nathan are killin it. I guess thats that for my hopes of Oz coming back.
They don't had the rights for the Sil and the Tales? Who forced them to make a show about the Second age??? Their story revolved aroudn a small village and a broken watchtower ocassionaly visiting a middle sized coastal town (would make more sense than call it Numenor) It could have been just an isolated place durring or after the Ring wars and they could tell exactly the same story by using their OC's. The backbone of the story was this small town somehow stucked in their village, get no help from this local big city while getting abandoned by the elvish partols and had to face some unknown orcs/goblin horde lead by an evil magic user. Bam there is a thing when you don't know who was that evil wizard. They could left out all that bullcrap they needed to add to glue together the story to look like its around Numenor and Mordor. They failed on that level misserably anyway. This smaller scale would do them a big favour and these unknown OCs would serve them way better than the well known ones. They also dont need anything else to this story than using names, the world and cameo in some interesting events in the background...
Love the energy
I love the character of Elendil. He was almost 8 feet tall and ruled for 300 Years. They made him comic relief. They don’t understand who Elendil and the Numeanorians were in tolkens world. They were the strongest. Stronger than Elves. The line of Elendil. found 2 great kingdoms. Aragorn had this as well. King Elessar. They made them a joke.
Great discussion! Also, I think Marcus is such a nice addition to the show.