BFG KO2 15,000 mile update, common questions, thoughts quick shop tour
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Hi all, The modification I still get the most questions on are the Method Wheels and KO2 tires and since I have about 15,000 miles on them now I though it was a good time to do an update video.
Method Race Wheels VT spec, 5x100 bolt pattern, 15" x 7 +15 off set
Tires are BFG KO2 215/75/15
Weight over stock per wheel/tire is about 5lbs
Decibel change over stock is 3 to 5
my email: azdroptopyt@cox.net - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I came across your channel when I was doing research to modify a future rav4 that I plan to buy. I've loved every bit of the content, so thank you.
Thank you very much!
Thank You for taking the time to make this video .... Im going to buy a Crosstreck very soon .... I need to check out the KO2 tires too ....
Congrats and best of luck with the new Crosstrek. Happy help if I can.
Thanks for directing us to Kings Fine Wood Working... I'm a professional finger cutter who occasionally cuts a straight line in actual lumber so this was a godsend.
Very cool! He does some great stuff overthrew and I am loving the bench now that it is finished.
Great videos, Rick! Thank you for all of the great information. Your videos truly helped me in taking the decision to buy a Crosstrek and to purchase the right gear for it (I already ordered BFG KO2's and black MR 502's). I will be picking up the car from the dealer in the next few days. I'm from Quebec, Canada and coincidentally, the Subaru dealership from which I bought the car is actually owned by the the father of the owner of LP Aventure, situated in Lachute, Quebec (small world). Thanks again for the great content and I look forward to checking out your future videos. Cheers!
Congrats Alex! I hope you have a great time with the car and thank you so much for watching along with the videos. If you ever come across any questions don't hesitate to shoot me an email.
Great video. Been watching since I got my own Crosstrek last year. I haven't modded it as much as you, but it's nice to see what you can do to it. :)
Thanks Brian, I appreciate your watching along. Hope you are enjoying your Crosstrek 👍
Love your videos. I recently moved to Arizona, Litchfield Park to be exact, and have wanted a Crosstrek FOREVER! Now that I live here, I'm waiting for the 3rd gen Crosstrek to drop so I can snatch one up. I've always been a fan of the BFGs, mostly for the tread life, so I'm glad to hear the weight increase isn't a major issue. That was why I was looking at other tires, and even larger diameter wheels so that I had more light weight tire options. You've got me looking at this combo again. Can't wait to see the next Crosstrek model, and I'm hoping the rumors of a Wilderness Edition are true. Keep up the good work. I hope to become a fellow AZ Subie owner in the near future.
Welcome to AZ! As you probably know by now we have miles and miles of trails to explore....You will love have the Crosstrek.
It is rather timely that you bring up the tread life of the BFG's as I was just looking at the tires on Sunday and they still look brand new with about 50K miles on them. Pretty awesome. Thank for watching the videos I really appreciate it.
Great update Rick, looks like you have been very busy. I was just thinking Rick will probably have a video this weekend!
Dave, you must be able to read my mind! Thank you for being such a great subscriber and always watching along. Really means a lot. That bench has taken so much time!!! I just spent a couple hours installing drawer slides..not fun. Hope you have a great weekend.
I live in Denver and had KO2’s on my Jeep, they did great in the snow
Thank you John! That is great to hear form someone with experience in the snow. Much appreciated.
Thanks for answering the questions!
Thank you for watching!
Great to hear from you Rick. I'm on 33k on ko2 now, with proper timely tire rotations they are wearing great.
Awesome Alex! Great to hear.
Do the ride more stiff?
That’s one fancy shop Rick. Still missing a key component...the beer fridge! ;)
Ha ha. Yes ma'am. :) I think it is best to keep me away from alcohol while operating sharp things.. LOL
A fridge is on the list and AC would be nice about now. Hope you and Cathy had a nice weekend.
Hey Rick! Happy Saturday Cheer!
Howdy Stanley, same to you my friend. Cheers.
Great videos man! Thanks, liked, and subscribed 👍
Thank you Bruce!
Great videos!
Thank you!
Great segment. Very helpful. Curious, in this video you said you've done some towing. Just wondering what you towed? Weight? How'd the CT handle towing. Thanks so much for sharing. I've been soaking up all your experiences you've shared. Very much appreciated.
Thank you very much! Most of the towing I have done has been of my 5 x 8 trailer with small loads. Generally 250 to 500 pounds or so. I did tow a very large and heavy mulcher and honestly the car did great. It probably weighed around 800 to 1000 pounds and although I would not have driven on the highway with it, it did fine on backroads and I was able to get up to speed comfortably. Stopping was pretty good, though I could really feel the weight and planned well ahead. :). I think I talked about it in one of my towing videos but can't seem to remember which one.
No issues with the CVT at all. Hope that helps and thank you for watching along.
On my third set of KO2's .. on a 2001 Ford Explorer Sport 2Dr with 265K miles on it (about the same size as your Unlimited) .. I usually get over 50K per set. I run them at 30psi on road and 12/15 off road. Never had a problem. I did try a set of KM3's in 255/85 16" and got 7052 miles out of them!! Either the tires were bad or my driving toasted them. They could not be balanced at 7052 miles .. they were junk and BFG would not back them as they are an all terrain tire with no warranties . I put on another set of KO2's and no problems. I am trying the Toyo AT3's on my Crosstrek .. went with the 225/65/17" .. I'll definitely be eyeballing the KO2's for future.
I have heard good things about the Toyo's and will be interested to see what you think of them. I am still a fan of the KO2's and think we must have gotten something in the tire and just didn't know it due to the TPMS light being on.
The crosstrek engine will break in around 20000- 23000 km and start to get better gas mileage. I've picked up over 1.5litre/100km savings. I also recently (23000km) dumped half a bottle of duralube in the engine oil and I swear the engine felt "better" immediately. My 2cents lol
Thanks Aaron! Always appreciate input.
Love your trek man! Are they good in the rain?
Thank you! We don't get constant rain around here, but do get some massive storms in the summer and the car does great....solid all around.
Nice to see a new Crosstrek vid, has the new 2.5 engine for the 2021 sparked any interest from you?
I was happy to see Subaru finally decided to give the Crosstrek a bit more power for sure. Also nice to see that they gave it the Xmode 2.0. They are claiming that the car get's better MPG with the new motor as well which will be interesting to see if that is in fact the case. To be honest if I was still driving my 18, bought a Jeep if you didn't catch that video, son is driving the Crosstrek now, I don't think it would be enough to push me into trading the 18. I honestly didn't mind the power and it was a comfortable and capable daily driver. I went with the Jeep to allow a little further exploration off road.
The wife saw me watching these videos and got me this wheel and tire setup (also on an '18) for my birthday recently. Absolutely amazing... and the tires are nice too. The only issue we ran into was that these are S-rated (112 mph) and the stock tires are H-rated (130 mph) so tire shops generally wouldn't help me swap out TPMS sensors and mount the new wheels. We were able, however, to buy new sensors and have the tires mounted, balanced, and shipped directly to me and I put them on myself.
Sounds like you have a serious keeper there my friend. What a great wife. Glad you are liking the wheels and tires! Interesting about the speed rating and the shop would not swap the TPMS sensors for you? First time I have heard of that? I guess I didn't have to deal with it since I bought new ones and kept the originals with the stock set up. Glad it worked out in the end and congrats again!
@@AZdroptop Thanks, and yeah the tire thing was odd. If I dug more I probably could have found one that didn't let a computer think for them, but the few that I talked to punched the '18 crosstrek and the KO2s into their computer and it was flagged as "under-rated" relative to OEM and they said it was against their policy to install them.
I guess that makes sense. They were freaked out in general about putting the Methods and BFG's as well. They asked my like 3 times if I was sure they would fit. :)
Hello Rick, great video. Thank you for putting this video together for us. I just got a Subaru Crosstrek 2021 Limited, not sure if yours is the same model, but looks very similar. Do you know if these configuration settings would be ideal for my ride?
I really appreciate any help you can provide.
Regards,
EBL
You are welcome. Which configuration settings are you referring to? Sorry, it has been a long time since I made the video. :). Feel free to shoot me an email at azdroptopyt@cox.net Happy to help if I can.
Hi Rick, my rims and tires arrive this week. Thank-you for all your advice with choice. I was asked what PSI I would like to have them inflated to. I guessed 35? What did you run yours at as a guide?
That's awesome! Glad I could be helpful and I hope you really like them. I run 34 to 36 psi and they seem to do fine. Have Fun!
50,000 miles later- any issues with your axles or bearings, noise increase, or wear and tear from the KO2s? Thanks! You’re the best
Howdy, the car is at about 40,000 miles now and no issues at all. We did have one KO2, rear driver's side, blow out on the freeway after a trip home from Kansas. The TPMS was down at the time so my guess is we had something in the tire and didn't know it was going down.
Otherwise the tires still look great and have a ton of miles left in them. Only complaint with the KO2's is they are a little loud especially on the freeway, but they are awesome for the dirt.
Hi Rick, to get even wear on them, what PSI are you running? I've been experimenting all the way from 32-38 in its 10k lifespan. I know the dash isnt accurate, maybe 2.5-3 psi lower? I've been using different gauges to make sure. Not quite sure what to settle on. Looking good so far, just wondering what you think is best.
Hi Michael, I run 34 to 36 psi and it has worked out great so far. Sounds like you are in the same ballpark. Cheers.
Thanks for the videos, Rick! Quick question, with this wheel/tire setup on stock suspension, can I run Rally Armor mudflaps with no rubbing issues? Thanks!
I have Gorilla flaps and they fit no issues at all. I believe they are pretty much the same as the Rally Armor set up. I hear the 235's rub, but these work perfectly.
Hey Rick. Thanks for all the info. This may have been asked but I just purchased a 2021 crosstrek sport. Do you happen to know if this setup would works just as well on the new model?
Should work just fine with no issues. Thank you for watching.
Awe, dadgomit! Second!! ;)
Thank you for watching
Just got a 2021 Limited Crosstrek. Came across ur channel and had a question bout the wheels u bought. Are they the Method 502 VT Matte Black. 15x7/5x100mm/+15 mm offset . Great channel !!
Yes they are. Tires are 215/75/15's. They do not make the KO2's in the stock 225 size so they are about a 1/2 more narrow than stock. Still going strong after about 40K miles. Thank you and I am happy to help if I can. Congrats on your new Crosstrek.
Thank u
Hi Rick, any balancing issues or NVH wobbles with this setup? Great channel
Nope, none at all. Nice and stable. Thanks so much!
They are a very popular tyres , but from a 20 experience on off road tyres I found them the noisiest, Yokohama I swap BFG for were quieter but never tested the full miles out of them . I think these days there is a bit more choice as more of this type of vehicles come on to the market and more people adventuring than 10/20 years ago when I started out , running Avon’s out the min but on a van in the uk they were the only AT available in my size and legally van rated
It is kind of interesting...when I first began looking to go with a smaller wheel and more off road tire I read every review I could find and almost to a person the BFG was claimed to be quiet and long lasting. So far I agree with the long lasting...not so much the quiet part. :) When they are do to be replaced I'm not really sure I'll go with them again. I love the protection and look they offer, but they do make some noise.
@@AZdroptop they get used a lot on trucks I think that’s probably a lot different to SUV and Crosstrecks etc , it the UK we get a lot of mud and huge Landrover numbers I was part of a few groups and BFG was used a lot , coopers i saw a lot as well .
Very cool! Thank you again.
Like the little beast. What color is your Crosstrek?
Thank you very much. :) Cool Blue Khaki.
also did you go with P rating? and C load what would be good for mostly road but harsh IL winters and no super offroad?
They are C rated for load. To be honest I am not sure which would be the best tire for you winter wise...we don't see much of that around here thankfully. :) I know there are a lot of options out there though.
Hi rick! I just got 2021 Crosstrek and I’m enjoying it so far. I was wondering , do you think I would run into any brake clearance issue if I want to have the same wheels and tires as yours. My stock wheels are 18s. Thank you!
As far as I know the brake situation is the same on the 18+ cars so you should be just fine. just double check that they didn't increase the size in calipers to be 100% sure. Did you go with a limited or sport model by chance? I am curious what folks are thinking about the new 2.5L.
Rick Hutton I checked the numbers and compared the 2019 models vs 2021 . The front / rear brakes rotor diam x thickness are the same. I have the limited model with the 2.5. Perfect for the crosstreK for daily and some weekend funs! Not a fan of auto start/ stop but I’m glad it’s just a push of a button to turn it off.
Very nice! The Method wheels and BFG's will work perfectly and will look great on your car.
I have never been a fan of cars with start/stop myself, but the Jeep has it too and it hasn't been too much of a bother so far. It is nice to be able to turn it off right away for sure.
Like the hitch receiver what is the weight limit capacity and brand?
The hitch is a curt from trailer.com Class 3 and rated for 3500 lbs. but the Crosstrek is only rated at 1500 lbs for towing so it is a bit of overkill. Here is the video about the install.czcams.com/video/JCWE3mgoPsU/video.html
Where did you get your rims and tries from? Where in Tucson did you have them mounted and installed?
I ordered them and had them installed at Discount Tire. They will try and tell you they don't fit because their computer doesn't show a 15 inch wheel stock, but they fit no problem.
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Thank you, I will check it out.
Question : what do you do or will you do IF you get a flat with the tires? Ie. Do you have a donut and will that work if you got the ko2s on? I'm still up in the air to get the wheel tire setup simply because idk what I'm to do if I get a flat while having them on. If I'll be able to even pop on a donut or will the vehicles have to get towed?
I originally was using one of my stock wheels/tires as a spare for off road use. I have since sold them so I just have the donut. The Methods and BFG's are essentially the same circumstance as the stock tires so the donut will work just fine. I would not want to use it when off road, but it works great for the street.
Hi Rick! I have been a fan of your channel since I bought crosstrek. Question is do the standard spare tire same with 215/75/R15?
You mentioned that you put 15" Rims on, what size did the Cross Trek come with? What are your thoughts about adding a lift kit?
Hi Eric, my Limited came with 18's and the base as well as the premium come with 17's. I resisted the lift for a long time because I was worried about really changing the driving characteristics of the car on road. Not sure how many of my silly videos you have watched, but after I put on the LP aventure skid and front bar I lost an inch and a half of ground clearance and put on some rallytek 1" springs to get some of it back. Managed an 1 inch in the back, but only about 5/8th in the front. All that to say I bought an LPaventure 1/5inch lift kit over Black Friday and do to a lot of different circumstances I never installed it. It sits in the box in my garage as I write this.
I think a lift is a must if you do the bar and skid plate to get your clearance back. I talked with a few guys who have lifts and while it does change the car's driving characteristics a bit, it isn't much so I think it is a great idea. At this point now that I purchased the Jeep I plan to sell the lift. My son is driving the Crosstrek now and he doesn't need it.
@@AZdroptop Thanks, I got to drive one with a lift once for a short drive and it seemed to stick to the road well that why I asked, I figured thats why you had gone to the smaller rim was to get more tire without giving up clearance. That is something I really don't want to give up. I have watched several videos and learned about the Pin access on my '17 Outback which will come in handy so thank you much, the dealer never told us about it and I hadn't gotten that far in the manual. Wife drives the outback and I'm looking at a 2021 Crosstrek.
Mainly went with the rim for the extra sidewall for off road and the good thing is the new set up is basically the same circumference as the stock set up. It was a bummer to loose the clearance with the skid plate, but the protection was necessary as well. They have skid's that attach to the stock plastic skid location, but I figured a big hit on the skid in the stock location could still cause damage. The LP skid mounts to the bar so you loose the 1.5 inches.
Rick, did you see the new crosstrek sport version with more hp? Maybe get that too and mod it once again😉
Hey Brother. I did see it...Overall I like it. Not sure about the front bumper area, but that's a small thing. What interests me a bit more that the HP increase is the Xmode 2.0. That will really help when off road I hope! I plan to play around with the Jeep for awhile and then see what the Crosstrek is up to in a few years. How are you doing?
@@AZdroptop Yeah the front pumper is different. I do like it but unsure if they release it to the EU market due to ridiculous co2 laws. Currently you can only get a 1.6 litre engine or the e-boxer. So my 2018 trim with 156hp got canceled. However lets see what happens. I do like your new Jeep and I am sure your son is going to love your Subaru. Xmode 2.0 sounds interesting! Doing good by the way. I hope you guys too! Send you my blessings from Austria :)
Thank Andreas, we need them over here these days. The country is loosing its mind. Stay safe and healthy my friend.
@@AZdroptop yeah, the world in general goes crazy but it seems to shift into another level in the U.S. Stay safe and sound:) Love to see more outdoor jeep or subaru adventures. Did the Method's affect your bearings afterall? Mine are fine and the car runs smooth!
I have been wanting to get out in the Jeep and have plans to go check out a couple of ghost towns and to take my son off road in the Crosstrek. We have a huge fire going on Mount Lemmon, the mountain near my house that you have seen in a few videos...It has basically traveled from the W end of the Catalina mountains all the way near the town on mount Lemmon and has crossed over to Redington road where I have been as well in videos. Crazy! I will get up there and show you the devastation once they reopen the roads. Take care!!! Great to hear from you.
Nice setup Rick, where did you get your bike roof rack?
Thank you Mark. Actually those came directly from Subaru back in 2011 when I bought my STI. I have carried them over and they are still working great. Made by Yakima. I tend to buy my Subaru stuff from Heuberger Subaru in Co. these days as their prices are pretty good.
@@AZdroptop did you have any issues about your tps sensor with your new wheels and tires?
A couple issues. First, discount had trouble programing them when first installed. They used the wrong year Crosstrek. The other issue was that the TPMS sensors I bought with the new set up were recalled a couple years from new. They replaced them under warranty. You can always have your stock TPMS moved to the new wheels tires if you get a new set up.
Thanks Rick, I’m getting my new tires and wheels next week.
Very nice! Should be straight forward with the TPMS. Just make sure they are working when you drive away and don't let them tell you it takes 5 miles for them to activate. I have been down that road with them. :) If they are not working with in a mile they are not programmed correctly.
If you hadn’t gone w/this particular set up, what would have been your 2nd choice?
I never found a different tire that really caught my eye, but there are a few new wheels out that I like. LP has a couple choices and I like the sparko terra's. There is another wheel I liked but can't currently think of the name. Pretty popular now and not as expensive as the Method's.
Black Rhinos are the wheels I was thinking of...that was bugging me. :)
Rick Hutton memory is the 2nd thing that goes with age:)
@@AZdroptop what about something less aggressive like the Yokohama or Toyo brand? I think they may be quieter as well but looks no where near as rugged/aggressive as the BFG. I'm thinking about trying those as my next set after my KO2s wear out.
LOL. My vision was first and I am really afraid of what third is going to be. Ha ha.
will 215/75r15 100% fit a 2016 ive been researching everywhere getting mixed answers my rims are the Lp5 +15 offset looking for tires now
I know they 100% fit 18+ cars. I can not say 100% on the first gen Crosstrek's. I believe they do fit, but don't want to steer you wrong. Check out this video...the guy put on the same method's as mine and 225's. Should help you decide.czcams.com/video/7t-UFohz2Jg/video.html
Do you carry an identical spare? If so will it fit in the OEM carrier?
My son has the car now and he has an identical spare, but it does not fit under the truck like the stock spare. He puts it in a roof basket when he goes camping.
Is the 2.0l crosstrek enough powered for these tires
Yes it is in my opinion. The 18 has better power than the originals. I didn't notice any difference between these and the stock wheels/tires.
Can you get the method wheels in dark bronze
They were available a couple of years ago, but I am not sure these days.
Hey there Rick I ordered a 2022 and all sites are saying they don’t fit as well I’m wondering if the break sizes are the same between yours and the 2022 any thoughts ?
Hi Brandon, did they give a reason as to why they are not fitting as well? Or any hint at all? I don't know of any significant changes with the Crosstrek's break's for 22 so I'm not sure what the reason would be. It is possible that Subaru changed something. I would call either LPaventure or Method wheels directly and see what they have to say. LP has always been great when I contacted them directly. I look around a bit and see if I can figure something out.
Found this on LP's site on their 2021 project Crosstrek. KO2 235/75/15 *some modifications to the inner fenders are required" Keep in mind this is with 235 tires and my guess is why modifications were needed. 215's would probably fit fine, but I would still give them a ring. Best of luck!
@@AZdroptop thank you so much !
My pleasure Brandon. Best of luck with it.
is that hitch 2 inch? i'm looking for a nice looking 2 inch on my 2021.
Yep, 2" Curt. Here is a link to the site and also for the video install. www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Subaru/Crosstrek/2018/C13382.html?vehicleid=201863913
czcams.com/video/JCWE3mgoPsU/video.html
I got a curt for my legacy I put on from them! Nice.
How are they the bfgs on wet pavement? I’ve heard negative things
I can't say that I have driven them a massive amount in the rain...but in the heavy downpours I have been in, I have no complaints in normal driving. Do fine in the mud as well.
By any chance do you know if that tire/wheel step up would fit a 2019 or newer crosstrek?
Should fit with no problems. Nothing changed suspension wise between 18 and 20 so you are good to go.
Did you purchase a set of TPMS for your BFG KO2?
I had the shop put the ones from my stock wheels into the Method/BFG set I bought since they only had about 3k miles on them. Didnt make sense to me to buy a whole new set when you consider that the batteries in them eventually go bad over time.
My initial plan was to keep my stock wheels and tires and use them for long road trips so I bought new ones for the KO2's and kept the stock set up together. If you are not planning on keeping the stock set up for use you can just switch them over like L T mentioned...will save you $150 or so.
Awesome! Thanks!
hey rick what lugnuts did you use for the methods?
Hi Matt, they are gorilla lugs that Discount tire chose for the build. They have worked great.
Rick Hutton thanks rick really appreciate it have a good one.
My pleasure.
First!!
damn you!
Thanks Ed!
How does this combo affect the speedo?
Actually no change at all thankfully. There is no way that I have found to change the speedo calibration if necessary. The new wheel/tire combo is essentially the same circumstance as stock so all good.
looks like crosstrek needs 12x1.25?
I'm not sure what you are referring to?
@@AZdroptop lug nuts
Yes sir! That is the correct size. Sorry about that. I was brain farting hard. LOL
Hi Rick.
Do you have full size spare tire?
HI, I never did buy a full sized spare. Initially after buying the method wheels I used one of my stock Subaru wheel/tires as my spare on off road trips. I needed up selling them and never bought an additional wheel/tire. You can use the spare with the methods as they are the same circumference, but it would be nice to have a spare for sure.
Thank you very much for the reply, very helpful!
I really like your videos. 🤙👊
What is the with of the wheels
They are 7 inches wide.
Is this on stock suspension
Yes I believe so. It has been awhile since I made the video. At some point along the way I added RalliTEK 1" springs, but the BFG's fit the stock car with no issues in 215/75/15. Some do 235's and they may possibly rub a little. Spring video.czcams.com/video/B9FTgegXYeQ/video.html
What size are the tires ??????
Tire size is in the description. :).Tires are BFG KO2 215/75/15