Patrick Moraz was only paid to be a fill in for recordings and concerts. Moraz was never a member of the band. The fifth member will always be Mike Pinder. Regardless if Moraz filled in as a contractor. The major success was during the time the original members were together. I was at the concert where Moraz tried to fill in for Pinder and it was a total disappointment. Moraz was fired because his interest went in a different direction from the Moody's and their playing suffered. Long Distance Voyager was not the greatest album of all time and wouldn't even measure on the scale. Too many people on these comments swallowed the b.s. of Moraz's attorney out of lack of knowledge. One other point is that if Patrick Moraz is broke and being kicked out of his house for not paying the rent after all of the success he had that is his responsibility. After playing with Yes through their best years and 10 years with the Moody Blues it only proves Moraz was very irresponsible.
He was only with Yes briefly and they didn't pay him. And he was a full-time member of the Moody Blues, so he should have been paid accordingly. His name was in the albums, promotional images, etc.
Patrick was credited as a full member on the albums. If he was a hired had it would have said Addditional performer It wasn't, he was credited as a full band member and photographed with the other four.
Am i being obtuse here but why does Moraz lawyer spend so much of his, opening address talking about the early days of the Moody Blues? These were years when Moraz was not involved with the band, so what has this got to do with him? I can't believe that the band were becoming rusty, or that Moraz had to show them how to play their own music.
Yeah, it's hard to judge this without knowing all the details. But on the surface it appears that Moraz WAS indeed in the band - and for more than 10 years - with his picture on the album covers and all. So to claim that he was not a full member, and merely a hired backup musician, seems kind of ridiculous.
Question is who's idea was it to have Moraz on the album covers? Because case in point, the band Alabama claims their drummer, Mark Herndon, was never a member but a hired hand. However his face is on all their album covers because the record label (RCA) wanted him on their. This didn't sit well with the band members (Randy, Teddy & Jeff) but they played ball anyways.
Love the mbs . And I've watched recordings of performances with as moraz. Although a very good keyboard, he didn't replicate the oriiginal sound and he moved around so much to draw attention. watch the Mbs , they are a cool moving band. No mick jagger moves.
Where is this special two hour edition? This so hard watch with vivid commentary and the clips that repeat and repeat and the blipverts and soundbites. AND the edit starts to weak as hell opening argument. .
I always thought that Patrick Moraz was a "hired hand" to fill in on keys when Mike Pinder (RIP) left the band. He did a great job with what he contributed to The Moody Blues. I saw them live many times since the early 80s and he was good...He got the job done... I don't remember if he really wrote any songs while he was in the group, but I'll have to check my old records. What gives him the right to royalties? Did he write some of the songs while he was in the group? Was his name on the song publications as a co-writer? Wow, this defense lawyer seems like he doesn't know a whole lot and tried to downplay The Moody Blues to create a bad vibe in favor of Moraz. Just pathetic...Mike Pinder decided that he was done with touring, etc. The defense was just trying to build up Moraz and make the rest of the group appear to be as "jerks". This looks like a desperate money-grabbing attempt...
Octave with Pinder was a flop and he quit over a row with Edge and his mellotron was dated by 1978 and all musicians who used mellotrons went to synthesizers like John Paul Jones (Yamaha GX-1 and later Fairlight), Tony Banks (the Prophet synthesizers), Rick Wakeman, Bob Seger's keyboard player went from Mellotron to ARP Omni. Rick Wright used a handful of times and stuck with the Farfisa and Hammond Organ then Solina, Moog, Oberheim, Prophet, Roland and Kurzweil. Patrick saved their asses on Long Distance Voyager which was the best album since Sojjourn.
How ridiculous to claim that Moraz was earning more money than the rest of the band . Assuming each songwriter received royalties then Hayward & Lodge would have earned the most and so much more than those two . Think of all the hit songs, hit albums made before Moraz joined ! I don’t know how much he contributed to song writing in his time in the band but it can not have ever equaled what the two principal writers did. Why on earth would they offer Moraz to be full band member? Why would they need too ? He was employed as a session musician and on a wage . Moraz has history as a difficult and flaky musician.
I watched this series, and read most of the comments. None of the participants come out of it well, but it seems to me Patrick Moraz was short changed by the court system. SPOILER ALERT ! Don't read this if you don't want to know the outcome, also whereas I would like to hear some of the Moody Blue tracks, in particular Justins fantastic voice, now I think he's a jerk and that's what I'll be thinking every time I hear him. Basically, the group paid Moraz as a contractor,and when it didn't suit them they stopped using him and fired him. Not one of them were man enough to tell him face to face. The judge decided that because Moraz was a difficult witness, seeming to be evasive with his answers, he told the jury to disregard the aspect of whether he should have been a full member, and decide only on whether he was short changed by the accounting of monies due. So he lost out big time. He was awarded 77k. The jury foreman said afterwards that they were mostly sympathetic with Moraz, but their hands were tied. He was mostly to blame by not answering the lawyers questions in more simple terms. The testimonies of the other four members were stilted to the point of showing them to be dumb. There were many questions they couldn't answer because they didn't "remember", or "didn't know".Dumb they are not. They own the company their accountants work for, they own the building it occupies, they probably directly employ the accountant. They sound very astute to me. Difficult to hear if you like them and their music, and it's easy to call Moraz greedy, and maybe he was even difficult to work with, but he was with them for over 10 years, they (manager included), look like a bunch of a##holes. My advice to you is by all means watch this intro video, but the whole of it is too much, it has spoiled my outlook on the MBs. Sad. Good to see though that Moraz is still working, (even though his work is not my choice of listening), best of luck to him.
His lawyer should be doing commercials for class action lawsuits on cable during reruns on MeTV at 3 in the morning! 😂
Maybe he should have "Just Called Saul"?
how did Moraz hire such an ineloquent attorney!!!
His opening argument was objected to, LOL!
Because he himself is also ineloquent!
still love it!!
Patrick Moraz was only paid to be a fill in for recordings and concerts. Moraz was never a member of the band. The fifth member will always be Mike Pinder. Regardless if Moraz filled in as a contractor. The major success was during the time the original members were together. I was at the concert where Moraz tried to fill in for Pinder and it was a total disappointment. Moraz was fired because his interest went in a different direction from the Moody's and their playing suffered. Long Distance Voyager was not the greatest album of all time and wouldn't even measure on the scale. Too many people on these comments swallowed the b.s. of Moraz's attorney out of lack of knowledge. One other point is that if Patrick Moraz is broke and being kicked out of his house for not paying the rent after all of the success he had that is his responsibility. After playing with Yes through their best years and 10 years with the Moody Blues it only proves Moraz was very irresponsible.
He was only with Yes briefly and they didn't pay him. And he was a full-time member of the Moody Blues, so he should have been paid accordingly. His name was in the albums, promotional images, etc.
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Yeah Moraz deserves his share of the royalties
Patrick was credited as a full member on the albums. If he was a hired had it would have said
Addditional performer
It wasn't, he was credited as a full band member and photographed with the other four.
Yup. He could have saved millions of money ffom playong wd MB and Yes. All successful bands
Am i being obtuse here but why does Moraz lawyer spend so much of his, opening address talking about the early days of the Moody Blues? These were years when Moraz was not involved with the band, so what has this got to do with him? I can't believe that the band were becoming rusty, or that Moraz had to show them how to play their own music.
Patrick must’ve been really broke because he hired a dollar store lawyer.
I have never heard of Mike Pinder suing the band and taking them to court, and them agreeing out of court.
Yeah, it's hard to judge this without knowing all the details. But on the surface it appears that Moraz WAS indeed in the band - and for more than 10 years - with his picture on the album covers and all. So to claim that he was not a full member, and merely a hired backup musician, seems kind of ridiculous.
Question is who's idea was it to have Moraz on the album covers? Because case in point, the band Alabama claims their drummer, Mark Herndon, was never a member but a hired hand. However his face is on all their album covers because the record label (RCA) wanted him on their. This didn't sit well with the band members (Randy, Teddy & Jeff) but they played ball anyways.
I was unaware it was televised
Court TV televises the legal cases.
Moraz never had a case. He signed contracts which never promised his "full" membership and never promised royalties. It's that simple.
Flops? This attorney for Moraz is a flop.
Love the mbs . And I've watched recordings of performances with as moraz. Although a very good keyboard, he didn't replicate the oriiginal sound and he moved around so much to draw attention. watch the Mbs , they are a cool moving band. No mick jagger moves.
This is fascinating and I’m attempting to watch this in its entirety…but the extraneous noises(chairs creaking) in the room are unbearable…
Where is this special two hour edition? This so hard watch with vivid commentary and the clips that repeat and repeat and the blipverts and soundbites. AND the edit starts to weak as hell opening argument. .
I always thought that Patrick Moraz was a "hired hand" to fill in on keys when Mike Pinder (RIP) left the band. He did a great job with what he contributed to The Moody Blues. I saw them live many times since the early 80s and he was good...He got the job done...
I don't remember if he really wrote any songs while he was in the group, but I'll have to check my old records. What gives him the right to royalties? Did he write some of the songs while he was in the group? Was his name on the song publications as a co-writer?
Wow, this defense lawyer seems like he doesn't know a whole lot and tried to downplay The Moody Blues to create a bad vibe in favor of Moraz. Just pathetic...Mike Pinder decided that he was done with touring, etc.
The defense was just trying to build up Moraz and make the rest of the group appear to be as "jerks". This looks like a desperate money-grabbing attempt...
Isn’t life strange? Greed and power vs human decency
Relayer the best Yes album ?
This lawyer is so full of it
I never liked Morazs keyboard music in the MB band. This lawyer is too boring. I side with the Moodies.
Octave with Pinder was a flop and he quit over a row with Edge and his mellotron was dated by 1978 and all musicians who used mellotrons went to synthesizers like John Paul Jones (Yamaha GX-1 and later Fairlight), Tony Banks (the Prophet synthesizers), Rick Wakeman, Bob Seger's keyboard player went from Mellotron to ARP Omni. Rick Wright used a handful of times and stuck with the Farfisa and Hammond Organ then Solina, Moog, Oberheim, Prophet, Roland and Kurzweil. Patrick saved their asses on Long Distance Voyager which was the best album since Sojjourn.
How ridiculous to claim that Moraz was earning more money than the rest of the band . Assuming each songwriter received royalties then Hayward & Lodge would have earned the most and so much more than those two . Think of all the hit songs, hit albums made before Moraz joined !
I don’t know how much he contributed to song writing in his time in the band but it can not have ever equaled what the two principal writers did.
Why on earth would they offer Moraz to be full band member? Why would they need too ?
He was employed as a session musician and on a wage .
Moraz has history as a difficult and flaky musician.
I think Moraz was bumped out.
He was never a Moody Blue. whether he likes it or not he was never a core member
Core or not is subjective, but he was an official members for over a decade.
The best albums were when Pinder was in the Band.Moraz was a Prima Donna and never a good fit.
This lawyer is just bumbling and
I watched this series, and read most of the comments. None of the participants come out of it well, but it seems to me Patrick Moraz was short changed by the court system. SPOILER ALERT ! Don't read this if you don't want to know the outcome, also whereas I would like to hear some of the Moody Blue tracks, in particular Justins fantastic voice, now I think he's a jerk and that's what I'll be thinking every time I hear him. Basically, the group paid Moraz as a contractor,and when it didn't suit them they stopped using him and fired him. Not one of them were man enough to tell him face to face. The judge decided that because Moraz was a difficult witness, seeming to be evasive with his answers, he told the jury to disregard the aspect of whether he should have been a full member, and decide only on whether he was short changed by the accounting of monies due. So he lost out big time. He was awarded 77k. The jury foreman said afterwards that they were mostly sympathetic with Moraz, but their hands were tied. He was mostly to blame by not answering the lawyers questions in more simple terms. The testimonies of the other four members were stilted to the point of showing them to be dumb. There were many questions they couldn't answer because they didn't "remember", or "didn't know".Dumb they are not. They own the company their accountants work for, they own the building it occupies, they probably directly employ the accountant. They sound very astute to me. Difficult to hear if you like them and their music, and it's easy to call Moraz greedy, and maybe he was even difficult to work with, but he was with them for over 10 years, they (manager included), look like a bunch of a##holes.
My advice to you is by all means watch this intro video, but the whole of it is too much, it has spoiled my outlook on the MBs. Sad.
Good to see though that Moraz is still working, (even though his work is not my choice of listening), best of luck to him.
Personally to me the Moody Blues ended when Mike Pinder left them.