RAMSDALE ISN'T WORTH £30M ANYMORE! | Two player exits confirmed & the Arsenal are coming!
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- On this episode of TCOAG, we discuss the latest regarding Aaron Ramsdale's future and try to come up with a fair valuation for the England international. We'll discuss Arsenal's April player of the month, Pep Guardiola's comments regarding our project & more.
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0:00 - Introduction
3:11 - Aaron Ramsdale confusion
5:20 - How much is Aaron Ramsdale worth?
23:30 - Havertz POM for April
24:39 - Elneny and Cedric to leave Arsenal
26:40 - Guardiola on the Arsenal project
36:18 - Q&A
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Ramsdale just signed a new contract last year. He's worth what the club say he's worth. I'm sick of this mentality that we can't get money for players. We have bigger targets to prioritize than worry about low balls offers for Rammers.
True, its not like we are desperate to sell. If no one wants to buy for 30+. just keep him
Why should we even think of selling him? What happens if Raya is injured or suspended? I sometimes wonder why we make commentary about everything. Man City have two equally good keepers. This is the team we are competing with. As soon as we try to build a little depth, our supporters start talking about selling players. If we want to compete with City, we must have 11 extra players who are as good as the first team.
To those who talk about the national team Maguire is still playing for the England 🏴 team even when he was sitting on the bench for United.
@@georgenti88 the problem is not every player is happy sitting on the bench without even getting cup games.
He is in a long term contract. Tough shit for him
@@drken9093 I agree. He should improve on his deficiencies and fight for his position. Gabriel did the same. No player is guaranteed a position without working for it. It's a new Arsenal.
It’s Edu’s job to get as much as possible for the players we sell. We as fans don’t need to defend him in advance as if we expect him to fail.
Thats exactly what Harry is doing here
Disagree with your opinion on Ramsdale. We shouod get at least 10 million over what we paid for him. He had a sensational last tear and his value went up quite a bit in the first year we competed for the title with him starting. His value did go down but it went down from THAT price (50-60) not from the value he was when we bought him
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Great show Harry! We need to win the league in the next 2-3 years, before United and Newcastle comes back!
Even if we don't win the EPL this season, I still will be so proud of the Team!!!
I am more proud of Arsenal for qualifying for champions league, being a top team again, winning top six clubs, being the best London team, I am more proud that we have a great coach after Wenger, and I am more proud on Edu getting the correct players in to ensure the club get to the top. Not winning any trophies is not an upset. Becayse when Arteta took over as coach the club was a mess, they had no direction, no culture and no winning spirit. So arsenal as club achieved alot without winning the league. And for me that's the greatest achievements, and create records too. We'll done Arteta, we'll done Edu, we'll done to our set piece coach, and we'll done to all arsenal players especially to saliba, Raya, rice, Harvertz, trossard and Oudegaard. They were the anchor in all our games.
And I read Arteta had a 5 phase for arsenal, and we are ahead at phase 3, we now at phase 4, the plan was we supposed to be at that stage in 2025. But we are already at that phase in 2023. So that is a great achievement. That makes Arteta a great technical coach to achieve that in a shorter time period abd the fans still talk shit about Arteta and the club's achievements. If fans do not know what's the club's 5 phase plan is, then you won't understand anything about the club and the coach. We having a new coach, it's no longer Wenger and no longer Emery, it's new objectives, new plans and new culture. That means the fans must also change in thinking, believe, debate, conversation... Align with the club's new culture new plans, new objectives and what they achieved so far. There is so many evidence not even Arteta knew arsenal would be ready last year to challenge Man city nor was he knew arsenal will challenge man city again. Because he told the club owners arsenal will be ready to challenge in only 2025, that's why Arteta indicates arsenal is ahead of their 5 phase plan. So what if arsenal were only ready to challenge for the title in 2025, would the fans be satisfied, would the fans be patient towards Arteta? I don't think so. This fans is annoying, font know what they want and don't know Arsenal as club anymore. Arsenal is a new club, with new owners and new coach. Arsenal is completely different when the time of Wenger and emery, so the fans mindset must also change with the club.
I'm In a horrible situation this year. I lost my mum last year, me and her was in London 20 years ago when we last won it. Not sure I'm ready to win the prem with out her yet. But for all you Gooners hope it's a great day today for you all,
Just to question the title of the video. I would say 30 million is the new 20 million.
We need an SP who knows the market and can sell players for good fees. Edu is poor, buying high and selling low and sometimes even paying off players to leave. I pity the Kroenkes. A new SP is needed for Arsenal.
I keep getting flashes in my mind of Martin O lifting the Premier League trophy…..been happening for weeks….BELIEVE!
Great show as normal feeling calm
Pep and Arteta are friends nut the Pep compliment to opponents is mind games. How did it work out with Liverpool
There's a lot of people assuming Ramsdale wants to leave, but has anybody checked?
Brilliant show today
The only weakness arsenal have, is our bench. Our bench isn't strong as the first 11, or at least close to it.
Wenger lucky in his timing. Pl was in dark ages. His European record is his level
Chelsea dont seem to struggle getting high amounts for their players
49:42 either way we will b drinking heavily np doubt 😂
I think you’re wrong about ramsdale…because I see other team in the big get good fees for their players even when they don’t play. We paid 65 for Kai and he hadn’t done anything at Chelsea that would suggest that we should pay that much
We always make a loss from selling players.
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Lewis Hall played 9 PL games before being sold for 28m+ add ons to Newcastle none the less. Ramsdale is an england inyernational, a young one with plenty time on his deal. People try and take the piss with Arsenal cuz we're seen as weak
I get the principle. However when he was our number one he would be £60m and now £40-45m. He’s a better goalie than when he came to us, an England international (so a premium cost), young and only going to get even better. A replacement number two is going to cost around £10m so selling for less then £25m doesn’t help us or FFP.
We overpaid for him in the first place 🙄
@@user-ij7gy3bs6c I felt it was a little high. Good price was probably £20m and why I thought he might have gone for Johnstone and kept our powder dry for other positions. But just like with Ben White he has shown great value for the price paid.
@@maskedgunner8731 I would argue that we may have barely got our moneys worth from him. And now his value will have fell off a cliff as the club wants rid and when he's played this season he's been shit😂 we'll get 20 mil and some add ons.
@@maskedgunner8731 And just like Ben White he's won nothing and will never play for England again
If a replacement number two is going to cost around £10m, then with his Man City 'connections' and close friendship with Pep, Arteta could land Ortega for £6 - 9m or even offer Zinchenko and Jesus as a straight swap deal.
He is still worth 30m at least, young English was part a big part of a title chaglange, capped for England, and if no one is willing to pay this summer keep him and he will have to understand. Brighton are asking us for 12m for their back up keeper. His price might have taken a hit this season but there was talk of bayern wanting him for 50m. This is a bad take, wolves were prepared to pay 25m plus a few months ago.
I know Pep is Arteta friend, but we aren’t at the level of Man Cheaty regarding the squad. We are tow summer transfers away ( if the Kronkes back Arteta further more) to get that squad can compete on Lwague cup, FA cup, PL & UCL.
@Krisdon-su8ff *Be quiet - Which is what you should do during English lessons at school
Great time to start project as prices down. We bought hogh as did Chelsea
A player is worth what you willing to sell it for and what the buyer is willing to pay.it is not one sided.
It's about equilibrium not necessarily perception.
Newcastle want him at a certain price, Arsenal want a certain amount for him. Somewhere there's an equilibrium point.
In the house analogy you make, there's a market based on houses in your same area that have recently sold. There's also valuations. You will be guided by those factors when setting your price and might add 20% or so. The buyer will negotiate from the value that you gave, the price of similar properties. So the will be a base point.
I personally think a lot of people are overly simplistic in their analysis of value.
If Newcastle want 80 million for Isak, Arsenal will negotiate closer to what Newcastle want even if they believe Isak is a 35 million player.
Will Viera fetch 30 mil, No, why ? Because there's no market.
Can Ramsdale fetch it?, Yes because a few teams are moving towards ball playing keepers and Aaron suites those attributes, that's why Newcastle and Chelsea will sniff around. Therefore you set your ball park price and you wait.
He's worth 40 mil
You're mental, has barely played for a season and when he has played he's been shit
We devalued Ramsdale badly. He looked nervous when he did play so thats the last memory. Raya deal at 28 not available start window i suppose because Raya in Ramsdale out and second keeper. Now he is damaged goods. His feet actually got worse and he didn't mature mentality wise. I was always for upgrading Ramsdale and wishing him well at mid table club. Fans taking up most valuable keeper in world were daft.
Harry c’mon mate we won’t get close, West Ham will get smashed!
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Harry, why is that this is only the case with Arsenal? For example, we all know Aleksander Isak is super injury prone, and yet we wouldn't be able to buy him for anything less than what Newcastle bought him for. Kai Havertz a flop at Chelsea, cost us 60m plus. We all can agree the value can be determined not only by what they have done but what they can do in the future. We have to reassess our selling strategies as we are seen as too easy a club to deal with. Not to mention that a year before he was valued at 50m as the most valuable goalkeeper. There is no reason for undervaluation as he hasn't done anything wrong to cause that. He just doesn't suit Arsenal.
To be fair he's been shite ever time he's played this season
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Cole Palmer was down the perking order at cit. how much did he g for to Chelsea. we don't have to sell anyone at a loss
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Was he worth 30m when we signed him? I would agree that his market value has depreciated but it hasn't depreciated drastically... we need to be getting an absolute minimum 22-23m out of a prospective sale. Still an England international with big game experience and credit in the bank - in large part due to his time at Arsenal.
How has his value depreciated from the 30m we payed. We signed him from back to back relegations and showed he could be part of a side who finished 2nd. He became an England International as well.
harry there's no reason why we can't get at least the money we paid for him if not a good margin more, you speak about his value decreasing, which everyone can agree with, but what did his value decrease from? last summer he had the most increased value with a keeper valuation wise on the planet at 70m, not saying he was the best but that was his valuation but having become an england international there were articles about specifically that valuation, he then signed an extension which usually drives valuations higher, he then lost his position and had a mistake when he came on, if that loss of position means that he lost half his value in year (which is significant especially for a young keeper still to come into his peak) then 35m is still above what we got him for and makes the 15m sum you gave a mockery..
Exactly. Its patheticly weak
So we paid 30m for him after back to back relegations and after he played a key role for a title challenging side last season he is now worth less? Sounds like a pre-emptive excuse for a botched selling job
in 2 starts he will be worth 25-30 mil its so easy, he is perfectky fit and fine!
he is definitely worth over 30. he is a better player than back then. me i hope he stays. we need a world class squad
Not better off keeping unless he comes in with mentality to try and get shirt not be nervous. He is on very big wages for second keeper. Bet its more than City or Liverpool 2nd who have looked at least as good as Ramsdale. 25 we snap hand off but wages will make that difficult.
City manage to move on from players with devaluation. Zinchenko and Jesus were not good enough for pep. Striker went to Barca etc.
Plenty never got to sack Arteta btw. I never got there
Xhaka was key to us in his last season lol. Idiots that wanted to sell at 12 to Roma ines look daft
30m
Already feeling that's it's over, please West Ham don't be shit
He is worth a lot. At 26 years old and with 4 yrs on his deal left. Saying less than 30m is a fallacy
Overpaid for Ramsdale in the first place 🙄
None of the London teams is willing to help arsenal, that is what I said before Man city was playing Fulham, and I was correct so far.
When the same 3 London teams play against arsenal they wants to kill us on the pitch. Why don't they play the same way against Man city.
I completely disagree with almost everything you said Harry, Ray'a GG is wholly down to the fact that our defenders have been imperious and we hardly concede shots on target, when we do Raya almost always fails to stop them and he has been responsible for horrendous mistakes, Ramsdale is a superior goalkeeper in my opinion.
The issue with the drop in his value is not confined to Ramsdale, Nketiah Nelson Fabio ESR all of them just rotted on the bench just like their values, and with new spending restrictions on top of this I don't expect us to receive very much in sales this summer.
Raya can actually command his box and catch the ball .
@@user-ij7gy3bs6c Seriously? That's a bare minimum required from an goalkeeper and he is not that good at it, anyway that just comes with confidence and it helps if you have the managers full backing and the goalkeeping coach conducts training sessions in Spanish.
But I accept the manager has made his decision and Ramsdale will move on for a pittance like the other players, what a waste.
@@SirAntoniousBlock you obviously haven't watched us this season 😂 claimed most crosses in the league, Ramsdale just flaps at them and has awful communication with his defenders.
@@user-ij7gy3bs6c If you actually can read my comment properly you'll notice I mention confidence and support from the manager and coaches, Ramsdale has had none and has hardly played this season, Raya has had total support yet continues to flap and be out of position, who was that nearly running past Gabriel against Bayern?
We were ahead and our tails were up, that cost us the tie.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Says the muppet who was adamant Porto were knocking us out....
I respectfully disagree on ramsdales valuation Harry, we bought Aaron he had no pedigree and was considered a relegation gk, he established his level with us at least top 6 level. With us he's been capped for England and shown that he can play as a ball playing gk at a very high level. So yeah, Aaron's been out of the team, but let's not forget his accomplishments with us.
I don't care how much we going to sell Ramsdale, he needs to leave in order to be number 1 again at a new club
I'm surprised by Harry's take on this situation after him spending so many years in this field. So naive.
This is a clear-cut tactic by NU to keep the price low. Ramsdale is worth whatever Arsenal think he is worth.
Can we replace Aaron for £15m ? No. Is he worse than when we bought him for £30m no. Just keep him then
Come on west ham, win the last game of the season for moyes and for west ham fans. just ignore the fact arsenal benefits from it
Player exchange with Bruno G.
Player swaps are rare these days because agents miss out on a bigger cut.
Us beating Everton x City dropping points is 25 to one at best. But you still cheer your 25 to one horse on.
Encouragement from pep words lol. Man is pur politics.
Ramsdale is worth 20 tops as its not like Alison took over.
Aaron ramsdale should be 65milion pounds
So a player we bought from the championship after back to back relegations for 25m+ who is now an england international, 26 years old and long term contract for a top team you think we shouldn't get 30m+ for him? Same guy that does videos about Arsenal having the most valuable squad 🤔
He's as much an England international as Eddie Nketiah is
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Ramsdale is World Class. He worth 100 million. YOU ARE ALL JEALOUS FOR HIM.SMITH ROWE AND RAMSDALE PLEASE MY SIRS GO AND PLAY FOR ASTON VILLA OR NEWCASTLE. THEY HAVE WORLD CLASS MANAGERS.THANKS.
Ita Artetas fault. He devalues players by ignoring them, not playing them.
Who cares. 12 draws? Points is what matters.
You also have to consider the performance of players when they are on the pitch even if they dont get much game time. Ramsdale didnt impress me the 2 times I saw him this past year. In fact, I am nervous when I hear he will be starting. If Im another club looking to pick up a new keeper, I would be concerned about his sharpness and confidence. Also, he may be a liability when it comes to playing out from the back. Remove sentiment from the equation, these concerns would make me bid on the low side for Ramsdale.
The thing about Ramsdale -
- He is a decent GK and could be worth 20-30 million easily
- he just does not suit our system or else he is a good GK
- we cannot and should not keep Ramsdale because he cannot be the ball playing GK we want
- our back up gk needs to be a playing the same system as our main one , even if it’s not at the same level.
Just My take
He just does not suit our system or else he is a good GK
Journalist like are the reasons arsenal players are always cheap. How does we pay 30
If Arteta didn't want him, we should have sold him last summer. He was the most valuable goalkeeper at that time. Now we're selling him and barely making a profit off him. Arsenal need to learn to sell at the right time in order to be successful in the future. We can't keep buying big players and not making money off any sales
I have to defend them on this one. The opportunity to sign Raya didn’t come up until later in the window. By that time they’d already agreed the new contract with Rambo.
That’s the smart ruthlessly needed
Should have cashed on him last year if we knew he wasn’t going to be the first choice gk
@@markygti138 We're so lucky to have Edu...
This is one of the most terrible analysis I have ever seen by Harry.
We’ll see in the summer I guess. 👍🏼
If we get those amounts it will be a disgraceful performance from Edu
Actually I got it wrong and I say we should get at least £25m for Rambo. Not being negative but Man City will just SMASH the hammers. I am sorry but West ham are fully on the beach now