BMW F700GS Review
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2015
- Review of my 2014 BMW F700GS. Disclaimer, while I have been riding on the road quiet some time, I am a DIRT n00b so take my advice with a grain of salt off road. Videos to follow will be covering my learning experiences in the dirt.
In this video I go over why I chose this over the competition. Compare the F700GS to the F800GS. Review the positives and negatives of the bike, and my overall experience.
Basic SPECS
-798cc parallel twin.
-Roughly 75hp 77Nm.
-16lt tank.
-ABS, Traction Control, ESA etc.
-Claimed 209kg wet.
Feel free to ask questions or point out what I missed,
Enjoy! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Very informative, well presented and spoken.
Well done. Impatiently waiting for the next one!
Just viewed this video and I love your reviewing style, mate. Very Aussie and laid back, easy going. Nice bike, too.
Thanks mate :-)
Great video presentation Solid, I like the perspective and the info, very personalised and accessible.
Paul cannon Thank you kind sir!
Thanks for the awesome review, best review I have watched on this bike so far, by far. Waiting for delivery of the same year, same model for the Mrs (stupidly watching the reviews post purchase) but u have given us (her more confidence and excitement in anticipation) thanks again
I just picked up a 2017 F7GS with 1,134 miles on it. Interestingly enough, 6 years ago I sat on this exact bike at the dealer north of me and ended up "going big or going home" on a GSA. It's gone full circle now (and the bike I should have brought home). I love this bike!!!
Fair, honest, and accurate review. Covered a lot in this video. Confirmed a lot of things I thought but wasn't sure of. Thank you.
to add to my old comment, I have the bike now, and, you nailed it with the comment on the two setting heated grips: luke warm, and incinerate lol
I've just bought my first motorcycle at age 55 and it's an F700GS Rallye.
Thanks for a great video :)
Cheers, Mark.
Welcome to the club Mark! Picked a fantastic bike but I could be biased :-P
Thank you.
great review...just thinking about buying... really enjoyed watching your video
+S. Shaughnessy Thanks mate, was my very first video. Good luck on the bike hunt.
COS
Well thank you!!
I found a really nice sweet deal only 12k on the clock never seen rain and always on a dry garage, for 5k. i have not seen the bike upclose but my main issue was if i will fit on that bike since im 1.94cm i think it converts to something like 6.4 and you are the first guy that mentioned your height in the review and you are also a tall guy like me...ive seen countless of videos and no one mentioned anything about as few tall riders,so thank you for that video by coming across to this one i phoned the guy and im getting the bike next week all checks have been made by a friend mechanic and this one is as new as it gets and its a steal for 5k so thank you again for green lighting my decision
Lady G310R rider considering moving up to an F700GS. Your comments on bikes and gender are spot on, my good man. Why do people say girl bike like it's a bad thing? Good review :)
Thanks so much for a great review. I'm looking at swapping my Tiger 800xc for the 700gs as I'm having heaps of trouble handling the Tiger in the dirt - big (high), top heavy bike, which is not a good combination when you don't have a lot of dirt experience. I've been dragging my feet in test riding the 700 but your review has helped me decide to take one for a test ride. Thanks again.
Meags Thanks for your support! The F700GS weights roughly the same but will be much easier to get your feet on the ground. However it won't be as good as the XC in the tough off road stuff. Thats down to the better suspension and spoke wheels on the XC. But it sounds like that is what is giving you trouble height wise. The F700GS is just fine on gravel roads. What ever your decision, ride it until the wheels fall off!
chroniclesofsolid Thanks. The XC just seems to be too top heavy but that's also because I lack the skills needed to handle a large bike in dirt. Fire trails are fine but once we get into the slippery rocky stuff I usually end up on the ground. Love to know if you're going to put different tyres on it - I'm running Karoo 3's on the XC and they're a great compromise (although I'm only getting 5-6000 out of the rear). Cheers.
Meags I find the F700GS heavy but not top heavy in the dirt (only taken it in the dirt twice). I think it is down to the fuel tank being under the seat. Yes I would love better tires than stock trail attacks. Just a matter of money :P The tire will be either the Karoo 3 (like you) or the Mites E07. There is no point for me going any more dirt orientated because of the cast alloy rims on the F700GS. I wouldn't worry about falling off, I fall of pretty much every off road ride I take and I am on a piddly 250!
In one of the video's up loaded and another of my videos to be uploaded, There is a guy on an R1100GS who rides it off road like a boss. He said it just took time and experience and prefers it for the hard stuff over his DR650. He did say that tire choice was important. He ran knobbies (Pirelli Dakar up front) not sure on the rear. Sounds like for the slippery rocky stuff you might need a more aggressive tire? (remember I am a n00b). Or get a smaller trail bike to build confidence?
I went one tooth smaller on the front not long after I got mine (yes I traded in the new VStrom at 4 months old on a 2013 F700GS), it was a bit high-geared in first and uncomfortable doing u-turns and small roundabouts. It lost a few kph in top gear I suppose but it's still plenty fast enough, and less likely to get done for speeding.
Great video!!! Your review of your F700 is really good, down to earth and honest. Very much on par with my experience on my F700. I've had mine for just on a year and I'm lovin' it"
I'm a tiny old dude of nearly 56 and at 155 cm (5'1") I was really in need of a great bike that I didn't have to rest on my tippy toes when stationary or slow manoeuvring. I ended up ordering the low suspension version (with the low seat) which is around 35 ~40 mm lower overall and as such is not fitted with ESA or centre stand. However that said, my previous bike was a Beamer R65 '83 model on which I did several long haul tours, so the change to the 700 was (to me) heaven on earth!!!
I've taken it on a couple of long multi day tours - one was 4000 km + ~ and the comfort and smoothness really impressed me. I had the bash plate and the Akropovic sport silencer fitted when I ordered it and that gives that nice little bit of extra mid range grunt.
Sounds bloody awesome to without being painful. I fitted a Radguard over the vulnerable radiator also.
Overall it's the nicest, most user friendly bike I've ever owned. The fuel economy is startling at 3.6 Lt per 100 km. The handling is really good and as you said, the brakes are suited to the 75 hp output. The only issue I've had is that being lower to the ground, it does scrape when cranked over through some corners. I always have to be mindful of that. Many happy tours and runs to come.
Many thanks for your inspiring video :)
+Sean C Thanks for the feedback! glad you enjoyed it. Shorter riders often get a raw deal with motorcycles.
My younger brother has an 81 R65 (nice bikes). Wouldn't mind an old air head myself, but the F700GS definitely has the creature comforts covered thats for sure :-)
COS
Geez that was a mighty quick response chroniclesofsolid ! We shorter riders sure do get a raw deal fit wise with many bikes, however when a great bike that suits comes along.....go for it.
Great to hear your brother has an R65. Like me, he no doubt enjoys the simplicity yet good handling and reliability of the old R65.
Many thanks again for your great video and quick reply. Happy and safe riding ;)
I'll be checking out your other videos too!
+Sean C haha yer caught me as I was doing my daily channel check, good timing. Would love a Akro pipe but a bit pricey. Love the fuel efficiency!
Anyway thanks for the comments and safe riding.
COS 😎
Yes chroniclesofsolid they are a good pipe and virtually noiseless to the riders ears - until you crank up the power. It cost $1000 as a extra when I got it fitted. They're around 3+ kilos lighter than the standard pipe I've read. Anyway may the force be with us and take care.
Sean C
great film, think you have sold another f700gs for BMW. You are spot on regarding the detractors of this bike! I was planning to swap my Honda dominator for a g650, but I have seen the light, keep the dommie and have two bikes! Thanks.
Thanks and nice bike the dominator! 2 bikes are better than one 😎
Nice review!
Thanks mate!
I agree with you on your comments, the clutch friction zone ends at the very end of it, just gotta get used to it, I already did. Windshield is none existent really and depending on where you ride it can be a big deal. Here if Flatistan (MidWest) the winds are so strong they will make your head shake, so I upgraded mine. Other than that I'm very happy with it.
Diego Saenz That is a very good point about the wind, it rarely gets over 40kph here. Did not give thought to places that may have it worse. Thanks for your comments and feedback :-)
Diego Saenz Which after market windshield did you buy and what size? I heard the Bmw extended ones for the 700 are just for looks and do not help. Thanks for info
Wunderlich Marathon, only $159.00 USD. If money is no issue look into the Mirage 2 by Brittania. greeneking77
Nice bike Great review I've had a 650 Strom and a Versys but this looks much better ? at present I ride a GSX1250 FA but am looking for a second bike such as a CRF 250 or 250 SINNIS obviously we think a like a two system would suit me too 👍
+Graham Calvert Don't know about much better, but definitely best in category imo. Go the two bike system!
great review, and hilarious 😂
Nice reviews mate
+alffian MUSTAFA Thanks for the comment :-)
Nice review thanks
Scott Bond Thanks mate!
On the verge of buying one of these currently. Have you still got it? If so, any update as to how it's held up over the years? Great review regardless, mate.
I bought a new VStrom DL650A a couple of months ago, cost $9,000 with a $1,000-off special deal they were running, that was before the 2,000-3,000 bucks for the extras to make it off-road ready. I like it, it handles well on the winding roads where I live and now it's run-in it's fine on the M1, though I'd like a little more power for over-taking, previous bike was a TDM900 and it was noticeably swifter. Still - this will be better off-road - mainly because it has a 19" front wheel which means there's a better selection of off-road tyres that'll fit it (the TDM has an 18" front wheel).
But now I'm a little regretful I didn't get an F700GS. I test-rode one a couple of years ago and forgot what a nice ride it was all-round - except for the windscreen, yeah. But - duzzen matta, I'll have fun on the V for year or so and then trade it in on the BMW, while it's still young - 9,000km or thereabouts. Things I preferred about the BMW were the sound of the engine, the power (75hp against the V's 68), the slightly lighter weight (5kg), the low-down centre of gravity (petrol tank under the seat) and consequent balance and flickability, which I love, and the BMW electronic suspension thingy.
Some reviews talk about a vibration at around 110kph in the F700 but I don't remember one and I'd be surprised if it vibrated any more than the VStrom, having the 800cc motor against the V's 650.
Anyway, for those looking to get an adventure bike that's not one of the 1200 behemoths, hope this helps.
Great insight, thanks for adding that! Yer the rear mounted tank on the F700GS is its trump card :-)
Tony Cook
the new V will have 70+hk and more offroad ready. It is more reliable then the BMW (sorry COS☺) and mutch ceaper. atleast here in norway. you can pay for a great adventure and extra gear for the less you pay
The beemer is still a very smooth ride.
beutiful colors on yours
I have the same bike, same deal with the ESA, tyre pressure indicators, comfort seat, etc. I agree it is a very easy bike to ride. I recently did over 1,000km in 2 days and barely felt as though I had ridden. Love the small penis comment too. Take care & ride safe.
+Grant Long Thanks for the comment. You have an excellent taste in motorcycles :-D
Cool video had a friend just brought one
Cheers 🍻
My first vid, glad it's still useful 👍
How's the F700 feel on a gravel road? I'm guessing slow and considered input as against the short sharp injections of power and direction you can do on a traily... ?
i have ABS on my 2020 Himalayan & you can't turn it off! It works brilliantly off road (actually cheating), in that you can use both the front & rear brakes on gravel, even on steep gradient & the front wheel won't break away-it just gives you controllable braking without the risk of breaking away. Far easier than not having ABS or turning it off. That's what I found personally & I've never had a bike with ABS before so I certainly noticed the bonus on gravel-it gave you so much confidence on gravel descents. Actually my Ducati Scrambler also had it but I don't think you could turn it off on that either.
19" front wheel on the F700GS, only the F800GS get's the 21" front which is actually a spoke wheel not a cast wheel.
Thanks for the great vid. What is the ground clearance on the 700? It didn't list it on the bmw site.
greeneking77 Thanks! The ground clearance is about 7inches from memory.
Great review.
I borrowed an F700 from my friend for 6mo and daily drove it - it was great, perfectly comfortable for long trips and the like. Though I think for 2-up distance riding I'd want the 1200. I haven't done any on it, but I'd imagine it'd be a bit cramped/weak.
MrSlowestD16 Thanks for the kind words!
It does get a bit cramped, but that is due to having no panniers. Luckily I'm skinny and my wife is pocket sized. Power wise it didn't faze the bike too much, 2 up with 50+ litres of luggage. Should be noted I am a minimalist when camping etc so only take necessities. So if you like to travel with comfort, as you say, the 1200GS is better equipped for the job (I would never pay that much for a bike though :P).
chroniclesofsolid I don't buy new often, most of my bikes are used.
Used you can get like an '05-'07 range for reallllllllllllly cheap. Very tempting.
Though I think since you can get like a ~'12 tiger explorer (1200) for about the same as a new F700 or tiger 800 I think that's the way to go.
MrSlowestD16 Very good point! but too heavy for my needs. 1200 would be nice on those lonely open roads power wise though :D
chroniclesofsolid Yeah, that's where I'm rather stuck. The F700 or the Tiger 800 is great around town, the R1200 and the Tiger Explorer - probably not so much.
I have a couple smaller bikes, and while none of them have the pure utility as the F700 or Tiger 800, I think I'll just have to stick to using them around town, and only break out the tiger explorer if i'm going for more than an hour away or something.
MrSlowestD16 For me smaller bikes are infinitely more fun/easy to handle around town. But I actually take the F700 over my WR250R for most of my city commutes due to the ABS/TC/Tires, also the size/width of the bike keeps me from doing silly things. But the F700 would be my limit for size in town. You have a good system with the small bikes in town and the big beast for the open road. If I had a more road orientated smaller bike, argument could be made to upsize the F700.
I'd like a tractor saddle on a thumper , but I think the vibes would still be the more wearing.
+Chris York Yer the comfort seat on this GS was just golden 👍
Thanks for the review. I really like your bash plate... can you please write the name of the manufacturer / model? It doesn't sound like a familiar name to me. Cheers!
No worries Leonard, the brand is called B&B Off Road and can be found here bboffroad.com.au/products Very good, well known aussie product. If you are getting it for the F700GS make sure you get the mounting bolts from BMW that come with the F800GS. They have spacers that allow it to clear the exhaust.
@ Andre Albert, Thanks mate! There was no way I was not getting back on the saddle :) Just needed a new challenge with a touch more sensibility.
Mods are as follows:
-SW motech steel top rack -www.motorradgarage.com.au/steel-rack-bmw-f650gs-08-f800gs-08-and-f700gs-12-
-SW motech crash bars - www.motorradgarage.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1232
- Rad Guard radiator guard - www.radguard.com.au/products/bmw-f700gs-2013-2015-radiator-guard.html
-Rotopax storage box - www.motorradgarage.com.au/rotopax-2-gallon-74-lt-dry-storage-cell
-B&B Offroad bash plate - bboffroad.com.au/shop/online-products/bash-plates/bash-plate-bmw-f800gs.html (you will need the bolts with rubber fittings that are used for the stock F800GS bash plate for it to fit correctly.
-Factory hand guards, comfort seat and ESA (Electronic Suspension Adjustment) added at dealership as part of deal.
Hope that helps?
That's a tremendous help! Thank you!
Nice bike dude and a good review and discussion of the bike and history too. LOL raped by optimus prime, first time I've heard that one. Title credits flashed up at ~7:50. Great idea to get a bike with ABS and traction control in my opinion, technology is there and in a tight spot it frees you up from having to minutely control braking to avoid a slide, especially on uncertain surfaces. Hahahhah @ 12:10.
Jeremy Connor Yer didn't notice the edit fumble until it was too late :P Yer major factor of this bike purchase was safety :)
What has your experience been on dirt roads? Looking for a good bike for 75/25 paved/dirt-road riding. Not true off-road, just dirt roads with some loose sand/gravel. Also, I am 60 and re-entering bike-riding - after 30 years hiatus - so looking for an easy to ride, forgiving, and fun bike. Suzuki V-Strom 650 and Honda NC700X/CB500X are also on my radar.
+Greg Durell For those purposes the F700GS would be a good fit, will easily do dirt roads. All three of those options are great bikes imo (I have not ridden the V-strom). I got it the F700 for the same reasons you state 'easy to ride, forgiving, and fun'. I also wanted a versatile bike capable of dirt roads, safe, and peppy enough to put a smile on my face.
PS Welcome back to riding mate and good luck with the decision!
Hi, thanks for that Report, ist absolut right. I have the same Bike, same age, same features. It is perfect for long or short trips. But one Question: Whats the black Box on Luggage Rack on back, is that a second Tank? If it is, works it with the Original Topcase from BMW. I can´t find that in net. Thanks for Message!
+Charlois Thanks for the comment, yeah it is a great bike! The black box on the back is by Rotopax rotopax.com/2-Gallon-Packs/ Mine is the storage box, so I keep my tools in it. But you can also get Rotopax for petrol/water/etc in plenty of sizes. Hope that helps.
COS
+chroniclesofsolid many thanks for quick answer! Yes, it helps! Always good luck...
Heya, It's cool. sound quixotic What's happening, guys.
Hey man how reliable is this bike in general? I'm interested in it but I don't want to always be spending money on it
+Malik Robertson I am yet to have something break or fail, but I can only speak to my experience of my bike. In general they are a very reliable bike. The engine is a Rotax design coming up for 10 years in production. A lot of info here advrider.com/index.php?forums/parallel-universe.77/ Have heard a few guys have starter issues under warranty. That is about it really.
Is that the comfort seat that you have on your 700? I'm debating to go with either the comfort or the low seat. I'll use it as a daily commuter and fun weekends on gravel back roads. I'm about 1.8m as well.
Yes that is indeed the comfort seat. Very worth while IMO. You're about the same height as me, I have no problems reaching the ground. If anything the low seat might be too low, unless you are coming from a cruiser and want a low feel.
Great review of your F700GS, very informative! I'm looking at selling my 2014 Vstrom 1000 and down sizing to either a Triumph Tiger 800 or the F700GS. I've been using the V Strom mostly on road as I find its a bit too top heavy in tight situations. Some of the reviews I've read say that the F700GS is under powered and vibrates a lot when it reaches 5000rpm accentuated be the short gearing! In your experience have you found similar vibration and do you find that the bike is geared too low for highway touring and is it under powered ? Can you also tell me how many revs the F700 is pulling at 100 kph?
Looking forward to reading your reply. Cheers Graham.
+Graham McFerran Hi Graham, I will do my best to explain my experience. The F700GS is pulling about 4.5k rpm at 100kph and 5k at 110kph. The buzz/vibration is there, but for me it is minimal. Keep in mind I do ride a thumper long distance as well so it is all relative to your comfort levels. Short gearing wise, first is very tall, then the next 4 are fairly evenly split for city use. 6th for me is more than acceptable out on the open road and probably where it needs to be to access power for overtaking and such. It is going to vibe a bit more and rev a bit more than a 1000 out on the open road.
There is know denying the Tiger 800 has more power and the benefits that come with it. However I got the F700GS because 1. Pedigree/resale. 2. I like the characteristics of a twin engine over a triple. 3. I was a returning rider wanting something safe, confidence inspiring, had all the electronic fruit and just enough power to have fun.
Coming from a the big V-twin might be a bit disappointing depending on your preferences. If you do a bit of everything this is a great bike, but with being a jack of all trades means compromises.
Hope that nonsensical explanation helped?
COS
+chroniclesofsolid Just double checked on the commute and th F7 sits at 3.5k rpm at 100kph and 4k at 110kph. Vibes start at 110.
I found vibration is fine up to 5k. 4k is silky smooth, 4k is 60mph, 4.5lk is 70mph, 5k is 80mph. (F800gs) so when it vibes the law is most often broken.
Looks like a nice neighbor hood ! Lots of sand on your roads ! Be careful.
I'm interested buy 700gs. How much did u pay for ride away price?
any discount?
brandon110526 $14,300 AU Ride Away. I got ESA and the comfort seat thrown in for free, as part of the end of financial year deal.
between this bike and the new vstrom 650 2017. what do u prefer and why? i cant decide for my new one
That is a tough decision you have ahead! I have not had the pleasure of riding the Vstrom 650 (yet). If you had of asked this question a year ago it would have been easy to pick the BMW if you had the money, or the Vstrom if you were on a budget. However the new Vstrom now has all the creature comforts that the F700GS has except ESA. I am sorry I cannot give you any incite into what the Vstrom is like to ride. I would test ride them both. Pay attention to how each dealership treats you and find out servicing and parts costs. Also think about how much modding you would have to do to get the bike where you want it $$
Hope that helps,
COS
thanks!!
Cool. I have the same one, just downgraded from the F800gs. Interestingly I got it for the TPMS !!!
It was not fun having a front flat (puncture) at 80mph. The Tube tires loose air in microseconds :-) The F800gs is awesome, if they fix the "tube" tire, like the R1200gs, I will buy it in a Jiffy again.
Thanks again, which country is this?
+Krish Mohan Thanks for the comment. A puncture at 80mph would not be much fun at all! I can see how you would highly value the TPMS after that experience. Videos are made in Australia :-)
Safe riding,
COS
HELLO THERF, THANKS FOR HELPMNG. LOW FLOOD WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ABOUT IT, GUYS !!!
Low floods? Not sure what you mean, flood light?
Would I be comfortable on this bike with a height of 1,88 m?
alexander simon That is a tough question as a lot of it is down to your preferences and riding style. I am 1.80m and am perfectly comfortable on the bike. If I were your height I would probably get some bar risers to lift the handle bars up a touch and leg room can be increased by removing the rubber lugs on the foot pegs.
But overall yes I think this bike would be fine for your height. My younger brother is a little taller than you and rides a tiny triumph thruxton, so its all a matter of what you are comfortable with. This is by far the most comfortable bike I have owned so far. Only way for sure is to test ride one I suppose. Hope that helps.
COS
Thanks I will try!
change the brake hoses, for aluminum ones and that will change for better the felling and the sensibility... Good luck!
+Tiago Ruivo I had braided lines in my previous bike and it was a big improvement. You are correct, Definitely something I should think about again.
Thanks for the comment.
Cheap and easy to fix. Takes you two hours to do and makes it a lot more. Although I don't even have a bike. I'm taking this from mechanic car channel, from a video I saw a few months ago. Steel lines make all the diference... They should transform all your bike...
Tiago Ruivo I did this with my old bike, swapped them over to steel lines. It certainly helps the responsiveness of the brakes, making the initial bite much better. Quite a good mod for the price.
Great. Don't crash yourself then!!! Good rides!
By the way, is it realible? di you had any issues?
Seems. It looks handsome. regular wail What's happening, guys. !!
"Raped by Optimus Prime" LMAO I had to subscribe after that.
Do these feel heavy?
Hi Sarah, for a middle weight adventure bike it feels quite light due to the petrol tank being mostly under the seat. It does not feel as top heavy as its competitors of the same era (2013). However, like all big adventure bikes, if you drop it nothing is going to hide 200+ kgs. Hope that helps👍
I dont feel like I've been raped by optimus prime. Ha! Great review. What seat did BMW throw in?
+Brendan O'Neil Haha slight over exaggeration and thanks! BMW gave me the 'comfort seat'
Funny that they say it's a low seat highth I'm 5'7 and can not flat foot a 700gs been looking at buying one and there ordering a low seat for it to let me come test drive it. Really want a 800gs adventure but if i would take on gravel would rather be able to plant my feet quickly if need to
There is a limit to how low they can get a seat without compromising ground clearance, hopefully the low seat will help :) I think it can be lowered further if the seat does no do it. Why do you want the F800 GSA?
Well I was a sport bike rider but now my back does not exactly allow me to stay bent over for a long time.. Really want a bike that can go from road to dirt to sand or gravel.. Definitely would not mind the 1200gs or a Ktm 1190 tho both of those are very big bikes.. So kind of decided on a 800gs adventure till I sat on it and was a couple inches short of where I would kind of want to be.. So the 700gs may be the more realistic option..
I too came from sport bikes :) sorry about your back thats a bit of a bummer. I had to change styles because of injuries as well :( In hind site it was the best move though love adv riding. Yer the big 1200 adv bikes are heavy and a real handful off road. I cannot see your back loving picking 260kg up off the ground. Yer its a PITA as most adv bikes are too tall for regular people. The F700GS might be your best compromise and still fairly capable off road. I test rode the Tiger 800 XR, basically Triumphs version of the F700GS. Definitely worth a look and with your sport bike background you may like the engine characteristics and the extra power :) It basically has a bored out version of the 675 Daytona sport bike they make. My review is here czcams.com/video/l2w2ADNz5ak/video.html
updated rotopax storage link rotopax.com/storage-pack-single.html
AUSSIE'S GOT WAY MORE TRAFFIC CIRCLES
THEN CANADA..BUT WE'RE CATCHING UP, WTF
SOME HERE ARE LIKE 100 METERS APART.
Beats stopping at red lights every 100m like your mercan friends.
tks for the valuable review...have a Concours and have had 1000 track bike but I rented one of these in Portugal a few years ago with passenger and loved the engine....its all you need ....am a little worried that a little short seat height as am 6'2" but my concours has the same height so the spin on it being less of a bike because it accommodates women is BS. BTw have had my ass handed to me on the track by women ...loved the small penis comment ;)