Escape from Tarkov's Response Was Bad
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The Escape from Tarkov developers have made a series of questionable calls, all centered around a $250 bundle that locks a new game mode. A mode that, they say, is a feature and isn't a DLC.
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No thanks.
Wrong infographic for the quote @ 10:30, just so you know. Cheers.
Scam!
I instead use my Microsoft 365 family subscription to maintain a spreadsheet of all my finances including subscriptions.
It isn’t even available in your country (or mine)
Escape from Tarkov is throwing out so many red flags I have no idea how ANYONE is buying into it.
The game is good and there is literally zero competition to it.
@@ForOne814 still no reason to let yourself get fucked and disrespected like this lol but it seems the community knows whats up
@@53strat55 I couldn't care less whether they respect me or not. They make the game, I play the game. If the game is good, I'll keep playing, if it's not, I'll stop. They can eat puppies alive on the side, it won't influence my decision.
@@ForOne814 Arena Breakout: Infinite, Gray Zone Warfare (upcoming games)
I played Eve Online heavy into PvP lo/nullsec. I can appreciate what pressure in a game feels like. There's nothing like the rush you get when your life is on the line and the consequences are grave. You either perform or lose and there is no one to arbitrate it. The consequences are only as final as you can recover your shit before they do.
"It's a feature, it's not downloadable content." - Escape From Tarkov CEO
Last time I was this early, features are free. Contents are paid.
English is so broken, so it's hard to understand what that really means.
its not lootboxes but surprise mechanics. same vibe
Notice how the term "Downloadable Content" is also mysteriously free from any connotations of payment. The Overton Window has swung too far in one direction.
What part of downloadable content you don’t understand?
@@jmel1000TBF it's not the fault of the language it's people intentional using confusing words in non-standards ways with the objective of communicating unclearly.
$250 for 1 game is fucking crazy
That's still in beta, mind you
Yeah, that was Unheard of until now.
@@micahsmith2066 absolutely unreal
@@Stephan-qt8mh and its not even ubisoft
Just wait till you hear about destiny 2
So this is where Riccitiello went after breaking Unity?
I think these decisions would even make Riccitiello blush.
@@eyriewow4297 Nah. Ricitello proposed price per magazine (as in gun magazine, the ammo)
PAY TO RELOAD, IN AN FPS
@@ZeroXSEED He just wanted to push the boundaries of FPK (First Person Knifing) games.
@@Di3Leberwurst Onlyusemeblade wouldn't have fallen off in a world where Riticello succeeded...
Someone somewhere please make a meme deepfaking Tai Lopez's garage video with Riccitiello , and then sending it to Nikita Geasy-fingers Buyanov. That'd just be perfect.
Meanwhile I'm sitting here with my $50 edition playing the single player mod with further modding to enhance the experience.
Is that only with scavs? or are there also AI PMCs? Never heard of that mod.
@zzyxzz4160 yes it has pmcs as well bosses and raiders as well
This is the way
@@zzyxzz4160 Yes it has AI PMC's as well and mods to fine tune the AI
Until they break it 😂😂
What rankles me, aside from the obvious, is the fact you still need to connect to their servers to play "offline".
the best part is that we literally have the tech, people modded the game to play single player, they host their own server instance locally
Like so many "SP" modes in games that have come out the last few years.
And it's vulnerable to hackers. People are reporting getting raided in the PvE zone.
@@donovian2538 I've seen that and it's the funniest thing ever ngl
it's because they want to fully control the progress on their servers. when things are local people can more easily hack data files and give themselves gear/items. this "offline" mode is just like if you/your team were to join a regular lobby with no other pmcs/player scavs but added bots
$250 for a single game is absolute insanity. For that much, you could buy a year of Humble Choice, 2 "AAA" games at launch, *and* a handful of indie games.
What are the devs and players even smoking?
Vodka?
If this goes to court, courts will say it's DLC not a feature by the very definition of you having to download and pay for it and that's covered by the previous $150 edition. What a stupid hill to die on, where did they hire their legal department? Costco law school? Do they have what plants crave?
If. It never does. Why should they assume that it will, when other gaming companies have been getting away with way more?
will never happen cus Nikita is a Russian so it will never go to court.
If they werent in Russia, BSG would have already been raked over the coals for tens of thousands in fines by the EU for their intrusive anti cheat that they used before they switched to battleye.
They have Electrolytes!!!!
You know they're only sorry they got caught when their apology starts with "we're sorry you felt that way", or any variation of it.
Tarkov never delivered from the start, it was promised that it would be full open world all maps connected eventually, but they never made the tech.
Pretty much why I didn't ever play it. I didn't pay for an arena extraction type of game. I paid for something that was open world with depth like DayZ
Good. Open world all maps connected would be awful
lmao you got scammed my guy they knew it wasn't possible
PVE should be a peer 2 peer connection instead of the server hosting a "offline-style" experience.
P2P would be terrible for a game like Tarkov in PvE...
@@YourBlackLocalit’d be terrible in terms of PVP yeah, with just you and your boys though? Probably not that bad
@@Lego5114 As I said, It'd be terrible for PvE. It is large maps with AI, where you can get separated from each other over large distances.
It would be terrible...
@@YourBlackLocal No it's not. SPT and SIT prove that hands down. This is scummy behavior through and through.
@@YourBlackLocal No it wouldn't...
I'd hardly call it "the dust has settled" Nikita has attempted to do damage control on 3 separate occasions and reluctantly backed down on certain things. He's not only lied on several occasions but to a lot of people this was the final straw. He's completely lost the trust of a lot of people that have supported the game for a long time, so glad Gray Zone Warfare is releasing into EA tomorrow as Tarkov is dead to a lot of people.
Really have to applaud GZW for this timing.
I would bet good money on them deciding to release a month or so earlier than initially planned to take advantage of this burning trash heap.
Not to mention that sigma speaking out and getting banned or removed from all channels.
I’m right there with ya. 100% finished with tarkov. Hiding the website changes alone was enough to break our relationship. Supported bsg since day one with eod. Not one penny or one minute more
BSG also silently edited their website regarding EOD to prevent a lawsuit and removed their old EOD videos. Ironically, them doing that might bring them even more lawsuits and they may even be charged criminally.
@@sujimayne yes I saw that. Good thing I archived the site before that happened
It's worse cause they fomoed the hell out of eod edition before it stopped being sold, so now they're also trying to get existing licence holder with the sunk cost fallacy
I've been playing tarkov since the only map was Factory and you couldn't loot things and exit with them out of raid. I bought the Edge of Darkness Edition primarily because I did not have the time anymore to grind every wipe for larger stash and additionally wanted to support a game that I had invested probably hundreds of hours into if not nearly thousands. This latest move is a straight up cash grab and. I think it's because Arena bombed and now they're trying to figure out a way to monetize the game after investing money into that endeavor. What I really wish they would have done is found not sleazy ways of getting us to spend money with them. Pretty much anybody who plays the game is a gun nut. If they had done a crossover with Magpul or any accessories manufacturer or tactical gear they probably would have sold the crap out of it
Was considering an upgrade of my cheapest edition to EoD when they announced it's retirement, decided Nah on it in the end.
Dodged a helluva bullet with that one.
me too though I feel guilty even paying for the standard edition as it seems we don't get anything for buying the game apparently.
@@transonicgnat5872 Standard edition is enough to download SPT and play offline with mods
helluva boss reference?
@@manboy4720 Yes... and No.😏
@@transonicgnat5872 with all the additional stuff the better editions get, this game honestly feels like pay to win. I'm glad I stayed with the standard edition. At least when someone kills me in raid, I can say I died with honor.
What's extra funny is that with the new edition of the game you get a "unique" knife, which happens to just be a $6 Unity store asset. Unchanged XD
it's sad because with the rise of ai generated content that kind of quality might be normalized
@@akeemmorrison2589 Super sad considering anyone with basic 3D modeling experience could model the knife in
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They already categorised a game mode (Arena) as content that would be included in the content provided by the EOD edition. They said all future content. Thus all future content including future game modes was in the product description and customers bought it on that basis. Changing it after the fact (and trying to convince you they didn't) was scummy as hell and I'm curious to see if it's actually legal.
Only DLCs were in the product description, not all future content. They aren't this dumb.
@@ForOne814 From the Edge of Darkness features description: "Free access to all subsequent DLC (season pass), such as Escape From Tarkov: ARENA". They stated all subsequent DLC, Downloadable _Content_ and made sure to specify that included a separate game mode. However you slice it, they didn't allow themselves any loopholes which is probably why they tried to change it after the fact then lie about altering the description on their site.
Yep if the community lets them get away with this they'll just keep doing it again and again so that new $250 version can be replaced by next year and they'll change and delete a couple words and use word play to release a new version of the game which will also cost hundreds.
You know the whole give them a inch they'l take a mile well this situation isn't a inch it is a mile so how much will they take later.
@@Legather DLC by definition is *additional* content. They can easily argue that it's not additional content, because the game is not yet released, and it's just the part of the core game.
@@ForOne814That makes even less sense. If you bought the game (any edition) then you should get updates to the "core game". There's no way to justify this situation.
What irks me the most is the fact that they still haven't apologized apart from that "Sorry you feel that way" PR bullshit, they still refuse to acknowledge that PvE is DLC (even though a lot of Tarkov players would like to read their post that way), and they have not taken any accountability for sneakily editing their website to remove unique perks from the EoD edition's description.
If anyone is going back to this game with these developers and believe another word out of Nikita's mouth, they deserve to be miserable.
Makers of this game are unprofessional and can't be trusted. Anyone buying this game after all this has to be stupid.
I bought the $250 edition.
@@NicholasAdamDemonte I'm sorry for your loss.
@@NicholasAdamDemonte You deserve a $450 edition next.
@@dudebruh8534 Nah he def deserves a 1k edition that gives the edition holders GOD MODE. Funniest part about the wales who spent the 250 not caring it was directly incentivizing BSG and other game companies to do it again (or try doing it for developers who havent) is the fact that in less than 48 hours Nikita said he wouldnt ban players for using SPT which is way better than their broken pve mode, they are nerfing their p2w items, EOD is getting more items, and the price was halved. Makes me so happy knowing they paid to support scamming others just for them to have the same thing done to them less than 2 days later. I won't ever touch anything BSG touches again, including Tarkov.
Funniest thing I read was the cheating community is actually banding up together to hunt people that bought it 😂
all good battlestate, we will just keep playing the SPT mod with their multiplayer patch
The passive aggressive response kinda reminded me the Creative Assembly situation not so long ago, lol it's amusing, why hire arrogant people to deal with PR? I know it sucks to interact with consumers, but you have to swallow your pride and just say what they want to hear. It's a huge mistake to hire arrogant people to perform these kind of PR jobs
they only add fuel to the fire. prolong the shitstorm
This not some random PR guy, this is the lead developer and COO Nikita talking...
@MrJaldal YES so that's why you need a good PR team? Just because someone is head of a company doesn't mean all communication that comes through them is going to be tip top and answers to all the consumer/ player base in nice polite terms.
@@MrJaldal Hence why you need a PR team to perform this kind of plan/announcement. And this team should not be composed by arrogant people, that's the key point. There's a lot of ego in this industry, top to bottom, but the PR side should never expose arrogance, they have to suppress that. "The consumer is always right", even if it's a lie, you have to convince the consumers they are being treated well. Arguably one of the most basic premises of capitalism, you can't incentivize consumption if you treat your costumer like garbage
the CA thing was really different, people were reading a statement of fact, that they can only make DLC if it is profitable, as a threat to end support. Like they had to end Three Kingdoms due to the failure of DLC, its just how it works that projects that start to lose money will stop being green lit. And the guy was one of the key people in launching the Warhammer series at CA, he doesn't want a project he is personally invested in to fail. The wording was a bit more frank than PR people use, but he actually was someone higher up, not a PR guy doing PR. Like sure, it was less content per dollar, but if you see expenses going up, increasing prices is an obvious approach (that it led to reduction in sales made that fail; arguably a lot of the anger was misplaced, like that over Pharaoh and Hyenas, and the idea that CA was investing Warhammer money in other games, rather than Sega choosing what projects got green lit; overall the outcry worked out well that time, but i fear it will keep CA from being as transparent and stop higher ups from speaking as openly, certainly the threats to harm the guy didn't help)
Compare this to Hello Games and No Man's Sky where they fucked up the initial delivery and then spent the next years pushing out free update after free update.
given the launch of No Man's Sky, I am really surprised that happened
This game as been out for so long and I'm surprised people didn't get a grip on how it was a money grab from the start. The only news I've heard about Tarkov since release was hacking being prevalent and not being enforced against. To the western audience it was basically "that's an EU/Russian game with a lot of hacking and why would anyone play it", it's so weird how time changes things.
Is the EU not the Western audience, then?
@@SuperMickyChow EE eastern european.
@pierregravel-primeau702 but that's not what he said... he said "that's an EU/Russian game with a lot of hacking...etc"
If you look up there, you can see it for yourself...
@@SuperMickyChow tbh I basically meant the US/Aussies/UK/some other European countries. There's a pretty big difference in culture for most of the EU compared to the US especially in gaming but there are some EU countries that are often in sync. I was basically stating in those cultures that's how many people saw that game at the time.
It's still unique and it kept updating and even improving in some aspects. In many ways it's a good game, but yeah the devs allowing and endorsing cheaters and this whole situation prove that they shouldn't be trusted, no one should buy the game or support them in any way.
The Unheard Edition - named after the communities sentiment :)
"Unheard Edition! Price? Unheard of! Audacity? Unheard of!" (c) Nikita, probably
BSG trying to convince a community of gamers what a DLC is, incredible.
I'm not a fan of Tarkov, but I fell out with my neighbour over this one. Who insists that none of this is pay to win or anti consumer or at all a bad thing to do.
But then... he also likes microtransactions. So I dunno, maybe he's just a bit dumb.
I feel sorry for people sometimes. I remember a time when you'd buy a full game, play it, unlock things in the game and it wouldn't bankrupt you to do it. These young whippersnappers don't know what real gaming is. (I'm joking, I'm only 30, but damn, games need to stop being massive rip offs)
That's why a game like Helldivers is taking over. It's heavily monetized like all the rest, but it's done like a game from 10 years ago so it's highly refreshing in today's market. 40$ for the game, not 70, not 100, etc. 10$ a month for new passes, MTX store is like 2$ for full outfits. Premium currency can be earned in-game at a reasonable pace, there is no fomo, all content stays forever or cycles back around every week. Meanwhile if I launch any of my other games it's fucking 40$ for a damned t shirt in a 70$ game and the 20$ season goes away forever if you don't finish it and you have to pay for expansions and there's no way to earn the funny money in-game. You can only buy it in weird amounts, too. All that currency obsfucation shit. Ah yes the shirts are 2900 morb bucks but you can only buy packs of 2800 to force you to pay twice its price or you have to buy 2700 and 500 and nothing in the game costs 400...
I woudn't say it's pay-to-win in a game like tarkov, but it's definitely anti-consumer.
There's a term for your neighbor and it's called a "Whale", no matter how blatantly PTW, stuffed to the gills with MTX, "must pay this to get X things" a game is they will defend it to death because not only are they living the sunk cost fallacy in the "if i keep shoveling my money in i'm bound to be rewarded" mentality but they are also that deep in that anything else (no PTW/MTX) is considered NOT normal and utterly wrong in their eyes.
@@jarvy251 how can you say tarkov is not pay to win paying more money gives substantial benefits, bigger secure container (MASSIVE), bigger starting stash size, high starting rep with traders and you can buy more stash lines as well. unheard edition has more flea slots which can only be gotten normally by spending millions in game on the flea
@@DeadTried It depends on how you define "winning." These things don't help you kill other players. A bigger secure container, which is the only thing you bring with you into raid, won't even help you complete quests because of FIR. The most it does is take off the sting of getting tarkov'd a bit if you keep your meds in there. Stash lines and larger containers can be acquired through gameplay.
There was also an issue, where they listed a unique secure container for the EOD edition, which is also in the UH edition. They edited their post on the page live when a streamer read through it
Some context to note, there is currently a single player mod for the game that uses the legal copy of the game to create a servers on your computer. This was a massive opportunity for when if they had released the PVE mode with like the server information for people to run their own small servers that people could connect to. They would have literally all that community that single player tarkov community would have been ecstatic and instead they just shit the bed
maybe if we just wait for release, when they ad the mod support, they will let us host our own local servers. They announced the game 8 years ago, how much longer can it take? (forever?)
Aka you have to pay 250$ for a campaign without Story...
I don't understand how people's outrage is focused on the PVE mode rather than the removal of "access to all future DLCs"
But they are outraged about it, since the PVE mode is a DLC that they where promised to get for free and now they don't.
PVE mode has been asked for since launch of the game.
Sucks too I was about to get this game when I got paid on the first. I was going to get it for 2 of my friends too. Now I have no intention of getting this game no matter what. Good job Tarkov. Way to decimate any good will you might have had..
Gray Zone Warfare goes Early Access tomorrow. I'm planning on picking that up
@@BatJeff You know I've been hearing people mention this game and now you too, I for sure am about to check it out. Thanks for letting me know it comes out tomorrow dude!
when listing the differences of the two tiers, you should have shown it as a side by side comparison
isnt there more to it though.
didnt they go back and edit the verbiage in the original description of the 150 package to cover up the snub of features after the original intention of the 150 pack was a always access to everything new. And they changed it to reduce the offering. Thats what i remember seeing. This is why "subject to change at any time" terms and license agreements are trash.
Yes he did, they kept the date yhe same to appear as if people were crazy and it had been that way since 2017... They took out the part that said Arena was included which proves if a separate game is included then a PVE feature should be, as well as removing the word unique for the gamma secure container as they gave it to Unheard as well when it was suppose to be limited to EOD only.
I think Bellular missed a big point, they didn't only said "it's not DLC" they went to the EoD version, and changed some of the perks that it includes, so they could say that the new mode was not a DLC, also, when Nikita was asked on a interview about changing that text, he said they never changed anything, basically calling their playerbase idiots and liers, up to this point, I didn't see any apologize for that matter, and in my opinion, that's the biggest point, since it's literally a try to scam people, and it's even illegal to do that, since now, they're open to get sued for false advertising, and as far as I know, there are a few law firms that are in the process to do so.
At this point, this is not only a matter of how P2W or how expensive is the new edition of the game, it's the fact that they retroactively went and changed the old one, which said that anyone who owns the EoD version would get all future DLC (such as Arena), which they removed the part of "such as Arena", and tried to deny changing it, also, the server problems for the PvE mode, are a cheap excuse, a PvE mode, doesn't need to connect to their servers, they just have to give you the option to either make it a LAN mode, like many other games do, or a player opens a server and acts as host, we have this in almost all survival games in the industry, on top of the official servers that you access, so telling people that it's impossible because of server capacity is BS, they just wanted the money, and tried to get away with a scam, now not only they lost all trust with the playerbase, they're probably going to face lawsuits, since as a company, they moved to UK, even if they're from Russia, and as an UK based company, they have to go by UK laws, and you guys will know that the UK takes this things seriously, so sit up and watch the fireworks, because I at least, hope that the EFT playerbase don't drop this so easily, not when they didn't even admit to lie about changing the wording of the EoD edition to scam players.
Would not be surprised if Nikita was a distant relative of Bobby Kotick. >_>
@BellularNews, this needs more in depth coverage. I feel some key points were missed which is a shame I was excited to see your coverage, the pay to win features did not explain the severity of what actually was put forward. In game items allowing for players to call their friends mid raid, AI being passive to PMC players passed a certain distance and the fact that to quell the angered masses the COO just rolled back on the issue until the public sentiment was palatable. A tactic he has employed on multiple occasions and the fact that valued members of the community were removed from their positions for speaking out.
Damn… never thought I would see Bellular covering EFT news 😂 That’s how you know BSG done fucked up
Had the same thought lol
A few corrections: 250 USD does not include tax and is only a new purchase price. Upgrade from EOD pays the difference between editions
EOD was already viewed as pay to win from the begining due to maxed out stash size (everyone can achieve the same size in game so it's a progression skip) and secure container. Unheard gives a larger stash because they added microtransaction expansions and you get 4 rows of those microtransactions on top of maxed stash
A number of months back the frame work and back end changes for micro-transactions were discovered in one of the patches. I cant even remember what MTX they were implementing but back then one of my buddies called out that their classic maneuver of 1 step forward 3/4 step back was at play here. When I asked for someone to give me a reason to be done with tarkov permanently. My buddy literally called, at the time, that we would see some truly egregious stuff with their next little dance. It made this news much less unpleasant for me since I could sit back and go yep he called it, so glad I had already emotionally divested from this game. This is a game that I enjoyed greatly that suffered from a dev team that seemed to be actively working to kill the game off. The armor overhaul was really fun and injected a bunch of newness into the game - it was launched along side that framework for the MTX.
Gray Zone Warfare here I come! Those devs are actually legit.
Why does nobody ask the question why they need server capacity for a PvE mode anyways?
Because Coop needs servers?
@@jarvy251 it doesn’t. Could be easily done with p2p. Servers are needed to prevent cheating which they already suck at in their normal game mode.
@@FluxNoise The reason is that Tarkov needs to control your inventory server-side because if you could just play client-side you'd be able to cram your inventory space with high value items through cheating and then connect online and have the servers take those items as valid.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD So all the persistent gear you gather in the PvE mode (which doesn't have wipes) carries over into normal multiplayer?
So basically Unheard Edition players don't have wipes, just the other players? :D
Damn this gets better and better.
@@FluxNoise no, you can't take items from your PVE character into the PVP game.
You mentioned that this was beyond what even AAA developers would do, but wasn’t this similar to the reason for the Fallout 4 lawsuit(s) stuff? The fact that Bethesda promised those who purchased the Fallout 4 Battle Pass (or whatever it was called, I wasn’t in the sphere at the time) access to all future DLC; to which they responded that Creation Club content would not be labeled “Downloadable Content” (…and later bundled some of it with a new version of Skyrim as, basically, DLC). That situation is what my mind has been jumping to as the best comparison for this whole fiasco.
As a note, BS Games does not honor refunds. Your purchase of EfT is considered a "non-refundable deposit" according to their ToS.
This does explain why the escape from tarkov developers shut down the single player mod, that was popular, about a year and a half ago.
5$ to unlock skill levels, per skill. 10$ for full auto. 500$ and you can drive the bmp around any map. Features. 25 cents per instant reload.
The last time I played this, the game was riddled with hackers to a nigh uncontrollable degree. I wonder if it was even worth playing before this news.
That's the reason why I haven't played but this problem is addressed (in a round about way) by a PvE gamemode. Now me, a non-player, who very well may have bought this game FOR PvE never will because of how they handled it.
It’s not. I was a Tarkov addict. I played upwards of 16 hours a day at my worst, often even refusing to use the restroom.
Once the game sinks its fangs into you, it’s over. Stay away.
Sad news. Even when playing PvE all the cheaters can ruin it for you if you invite somebody to your lobby. Apparently if you invite somebody to a lobby during pve the cheaters can see it and inject themselves into that game to steal all the good loot.
Been really curious about Tarkov for a while, but even the base edition is a chonky enough price that I've been hesitant to roll the dice. Especially as it's all through website only so there's no real safety nets.
I never had the EOD edition thankfully but I'm done after this fiasco, doesn't matter what they do it's clear they are greedy and they absolutely would pull more shit like this again once people start to forgive/forget them. I thought it was really odd that they started selling outfits out of nowhere, but now seeing that BSG thinks they can just edit the text on their site and no one would catch it shows they don't actually give a shit about the people who have already supported the game.
Hope they have a few whales hooked because this story has gone nuclear and people will be avoiding this title in the foreseeable future.
Did they say anything about the EOD unique weapon thing?
I upgraded to the uninstalled edition.
I finally escaped from tarkov
On a cost note, atm funds being sent back to Russia to pay these guys and everyone except the PR team from their UK offices are going to be heavily "taxed" as foreign currencies. Not our problem as such but not their fault either and I'd imagine a real issue on the financials.
The mods done good. It helped a lot that people could debate the fact. Also helped get out in the open the general desires of the community - like most games we usually focus on one thing that needs fixing the most at the moment.. Here many of the people who had the EOD were almost unified in stating that we didn't want any more P2Win elements added to ours or future accounts. BSG still gonna give them a ton of OP starting gear but that so many unified was kinda reassuring. Fingers crossed they'll start treating regular account holders as people who want options too.
im sure someone mentioned it but until this kicked off arena was listed as part of the dlc and the 3x3 contianer was to be unique. they live edited their website that day. there are archived versions from before it started
'Just when they got the answers, I change the questions'
I love how the gaming industry is slowly turning into a carnival experience and players are just rubes to be milked.
Don't play Tarkov but enjoy watching games being corrupt and exposing cheaters. Also supporting a fellow Irish man.
Alright a couple things. 1. Star citizen may have crazy high prices, but they all do not try to pretend to be what they are not. They don’t just try to change the content of what you purchase and say it does not include you, and the only thing that may change is what the ship has in terms of balancing.
2. (This is in regards to their server issues with PVE mode) They can just have the end user open up their own session from their PC and have people that join them do a LAN connection. Then when the raid is over, capture the data that occurred and upload to the server to keep track of the player stats, quests, and inventory. I know servers are expensive, but I’m sure the PVE and SPTarkov community will be perfectly fine with it just being LAN connection.
That PVE mode could've been an update, but nah, $250
BSG NEVER apoligized, he said sorry for him not foreseeing the reaction, NOT that he was sorry for doing it. What a crappy company.
How I would handle this is by making the offline mode free to all players but having an early access pack (20$) to the Coop version of that offline mode with some unique items that don't benefit the players such as Unique undergarmets, armbands and that knife. This way the dlc is still apart of the EoD pack but requires a small buy in if you want to play with friends. Thoughts if this would have been better?
Using Theme Parks as an analogy for the up-selling happening in Tarkov is adorable. "Wouldn't it be crazy if they did that?" Oh sweet summer child.
What makes this story so complicated is BSG has such a long and muddy track record reaching back all the way to before Tarkov ever released with their previous title, from their collusion with youtubers and streamers (seriously one can talk about all of the hidden benefits streamers get in the game all day in order to have semi-unpaid loyal promoters), being accused of working with the cheaters to have reoccurring profits, to their balance decisions in the game, to just never fixing some of the key fundamental issues in the game since it had LAUNCHED like AUDIO or DESYNC. Even for me, I got the game in early 2019 and loved it (reserve/hideout update .12 best update, best time to play) up until FIR was introduced, then the game just slowly went downhill from there.
5:19: there's also not enjoying the amount of cheaters ingame.
to be honest i loved the idea of tarkov and how it was unique to the point that other games could not truly replicate the same feeling i got playing tarkov, enjoyed the game so much i upgraded to EOD years back because i wanted to support the game, so much so i bought an upgrade for another friend of mine to eod and even bought my little brother the EOD version. this whole thing just feels like a betrayal and inability of admitting fault when they dropped the ball on this one let alone reneging on a agreement of a listed feature and then gas-lighting the community of the game. all of this and the background shit going on with some of the tournament orgs/content creators for the game has made me never wanna play the game again, if there is ever a lawsuit for this in the future i will be joning in on it. nakita you somehow had a golden goose desided to kill cook and eat it then tried blaming everyone else for your own stupidity.
I find it strange you have to buy 150/250 versions of a game for a dlc, shouldn't it be purchasable for like 15 euros or something?
Like you have only the option to upgrade if you want it with the base version?
When I pay for an Alpha access, I expect to help the game development, and to then have full access to the final release, with full energies from the developers invested in reaching that goal. I know I will be playing a non polished version of the game, I expect full release will come out in 1-2 years. With EFT, attention got diverted to creating additional monetizable content / features (whatever you call them). I spent my 50 euro - I didn't care priority queues or larger stash or unique items, and I feel cheated.
just let us pay $25 for the pve rather than adding it onto a fuckin $250 pack
(replace $ with pounds as my keyboard is buggered)
Legal precedent states that if you paywall game features its a DLC. Skins are considered DLC, much less entire game features. Essentially, if its not base game and you pay for it we consider it DLC out here in the west, because that's the place they would be sued under international trade law.
The coop-Training modus the EOD-Players got for free. Others have to pay 10 USD or 10 EUR to play offline-Training-Coop with their friends. Like said. It is only Training Coop. Not PvE. So if offline training coop ain't the same like PvE, a DLC, I don't know what else it is.
Only pulled the trigger on EFT years back when I found out SPT Aki was a thing. Never played the official game online for a single second.
The SP should be hosted locally and be free for all editions. Even maybe 1 person hosting in co-op
There’s some more details to the different editions. They removed EOD edition months ago, so new players could not access a lot of things previously available, even though the game is still in beta. I think that was the actual beginning of this shit show
Remember when games were $40 and we were happy? Then it become $50 and we were ok, then $60 and we're still fine then $70 and we started to pick what to buy over the other and then within a few years it went to $80, $90 or $100+ and we get worse and worse quality and support and people started to pirate them while game companies used said piracy as an excuse to increase prices even more to make up for "potential profit"
If you live in Australia, contact the ACCC!
6 months of access? But that on the real game, not on the beta, right? RIGHT?
Pay walling a game mode is always bullshit
The fact this dlc is $250 and the last is $150… yet the final product hasn’t released yet… who in the world in the right state of mind would pay for this shit… $150 I can buy 5 games with… $250 is the price of grocery shopping for a month if single… and it not far fetch to see how much the final price for the price of the full game would be… if you already have all the previous dlc you probably pay $300- 375 for the full game.. if you don’t have yet and buying new… $ $500- 600
300$ is a whole month of minimum wage in certain countries (like Turkey, my second home country for example) 😂
Not settled. Dig more.
I've never trusted any dev that forces you to buy a game from their own website. Like eve Epic is safer than that.
If they had just made pve mode like 10$, i would be a lot more inclined to buy the full game and the pve mode, and im sure alot more people would be too i think theyd made more money doing that. Instead i learned there are 250$ editions to this game and that puts me right off
Never knew of this game and I already no longer care for it XD. A general smarter move is to get people actively hooked on the game for a lower cost and then push constructed expansion packs. Now you have a product that no one tried and you already charge premium up grond. Most people will wait until they see online play through before they start to spend money on it.
We all saw how well “pledges” work with Amber and Johnny.
As an EOD owner, I’m selling my account and buying something worth my time.
Nikita showed his true colors, and proved he doesn’t value the community that’s supported his game from day one.
One important thing that seems to have been missed is that Escape form Tarkov EOD owners were promised to never have to pay for any DLC's ever again. That is why the Devs try to frame the new edition as a "new thing" So they don't have to give it to the EOD owners for free.
I don't play the game, but given the facts, I 100% agree with your take on the situation. It feels either desperate or greedy. Either is bad. I also found your comments on the uncontrolled spending very inciteful. I actually watched this first hand. Many years ago I used to manage a game store when Magic the Gathering first came out (yes I have a full set of Alpha cards because they were literally worth nothing when I collected them). When WoTC first produced the game, they were effectively printing money so fast and furious that they had ZERO controls on spending. Just to give you an idea, they paid for ALL of their employees to go to GenCon with ZERO restrictions on travel expenses. Later on, after Fallen Empires when they literally burned huge pallets of cards because they printed too many, they finally started to put some cost controls into place. They were still printing money, just not as much. So, I can see how a development studio could be too short sighted about their cash situation.
All the gaming problems we’re having is because MatPat retired, like how the internet went into a downward spiral after Harambe.
If it's a feature and not a DLC it should be included it a free patch?
Paid feature. Like a Gamma container or larger stash.
Hey kids, never spend 250 dollars on a game.
As a 5 year player of tarkov it was a slap in the face after years of neglect from the devs and rampant cheating. The community imploded and it was beautiful
OK, something is clearly wrong here, looking with a quick google search, if Tarkov cannot resolve this within 30 days the community will sue them.
as of 4 days ago on reddit. I wish them the best, but yeah, the Tarkov devs wil just get sued, this is not allowed by US commerce law.
what would be wrong with having people "who didn't buy the EOD edition" but the co - op pve mode separately for like $30.00
Screwing over the most involved customers seems to be in style again. This is just like ATLUS releasing Persona 3 Reoload, making people buy that 100€ Premium Edition and then a few weeks after release want you to pay another 35 bucks for the game mode they left out from the main release. Just that this here is much more expensive. Crazy publishers. Fuck them all.
How much is the retail of this game going to cost? $500, $700, $1000 USD??!?!?!?!!?
You can do whatever you want when you get to decide what "to your understanding" means.
"It's our understanding that we never have to deliver on DLC if we never release the full game, which we never actually have to do."
When are they gonna put ads in the game, and you need first to have a season pass to be eligible to purchase the add free gaming experience, and some free additional inventory space?
ok, this is the perfect moment to stick with stalker gamma while im waiting for Road to Vostok.
by major additions to the game..they are now meaning finishing it. Reinforce servers means buy more cuz they dont want to spend the money. High priority match making is crazy when some times we are waiting 13 mins to play a raid...then you die and have to wait 27 mins for your boys to then wait 13 mins in que again just to die to a cheater at 73 fps..or a scav eye beaming u from across the map. Im done with it...moving on to reforger and other genres till something else comes along. o
This is just stupid for any new players in general.
14:30 did not foresee this backlash for a $250 game mode?
That list literally sounds like everything they’ve been working on that would normally be qol updates they decided to put it all behind a ridiculous paywall