Pathfinder:Kingmaker - Druid Duelist Monk
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Druid Duelist Monk
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Race: Aasimar (Plumekith)
Stats - Str: 14 Dex: 16 Con: 7 Int: 17 -> 20 Wis: 18 -> 20 Cha: 7
Classes - Blight Druid, Traditional Monk, Duelist
Skills - Mobility 3 Required, 110 Skill Points total
1 - Blight Druid: Destruction Domain, Weapon Finesse (or Dodge)
2 - Blight Druid:
3 - Blight Druid: Dodge (or Weapon Finesse)
4 - Blight Druid: +1 WIS
5 - Traditional Monk: Natural Spell, Crane Style
6 - Blight Druid:
7 - Blight Druid: Crane Wing
8 - Blight Druid: +1 WIS
9 - Blight Druid: Combat Mobility
10 - Blight Druid:
11 - Blight Druid: Crane Riposte
12 - Blight Druid: +1 INT
13 - Blight Druid: Wings
14 - Blight Druid:
15 - Blight Druid: Combat Expertise
16 - Duelist: + INT
17 - Duelist: Metamagic (Extend Spell)
18 - Duelist:
19 - Duelist: Metamagic (Reach Spell)
20 - Duelist: +1 INT
do you recommend me to get other druid subtype as they come with an animal companion which i heard is a game changer on harder difficulties...
traditional monk starts with +2 will saves. So if you're only getting one level in monk, then traditional monk is definitely best
There we go
I've been searching high and low for a build like this. Really well done and comprehensive. Thanks for doing all this work for us!
Thanks man, check me out on m.twitch.tv/thearcaneagent
Your wild shape gives a bonus to con, it does not replace it, so you will always be very very fragile. I would probably have lower starting int to at least have 10 con. As a weapon you should get a piercing weapon, not bludgeoning unarmed, since there is a +5 damage bonus on piercing attacks from duelist.
Yeppers
@@ArcaneAgent Slashing Grace Scimitar allows Scimitar as piercing and is a Druid weapon. 18-20 crit x2.
Scimitars and kukris and rapiers are my friends
Scimitars be my friends tenor.com/q4D2.gif
Does the piercing apply when you are shapeshifted?
lol the captain planet cut really brought me back to my childhood... lol
I try
My challenge for you: Using character respec, make a full team that while changing the base classes keeps the spirit of each character. That is Amari remains hyper aggressive so a fighter or the like. Up for it?
Worth noting I've been doing this in my own game already and its been a blast.
Oh that does sound fun
I agree
Amari makes a great two handed fighter, because plain barbarian sucks with the options available currently.
The 7 con makes that build very difficult to run and overall a pain
But oh so challenging
So this is really cool. I've been trying to put together a druid tank build myself and I never thought of going duelist. It's back to the drawing board for me. I do have a couple of things to mention here though.
Firstly Duelist gives +1 AC per point of int per Duelist level. That means with 5 levels of duelist you can get at max +5 AC from int, so you only need 20 int. Considering there are easily acquired helms that provide +6 or +8 to all mental stats then you don't need to spend so many build points on int. 13 is the requirement for Combat Expertise so you could drop the starting int to 13 and use the +8 helm to boost it to 21. Sure that's fewer skill points but you won't have to tank your con. And shapeshifting in Pathfinder adds to base stats, not replaces them. Tanking con is probably not worth it I think.
Secondly, the miasma effect from blight druid is a little underwhelming when you look at it. The save DC is low and once saved against enemies become immune. In looking to make a druid tank I started considering the feyspeaker as it lets me add spells like blur, mirror image, displacement and greater invisibility to their spell list. The downside is that, being charisma rather than wisdom based, will saves and perception scores are lower. Persuasion is much stronger though, so good for party play.
Thirdly, and this is about flavour rather than function, monk abilities still work when you are not lawful. You only need to be lawful when levelling up. So if for character reasons you want a true neutral druid (gotta get that tree in the capital), you can shift their alignment to LN, take the level in monk then use the alignment reset scroll to go back to TN. I have tested this, it does work. I managed to change alignment to LN by level 6 in a full party (companions, no mercs) playthrough with shared exp still on.
I knew about the int and duelist thing, I built it like that to show people
Barbarians can also abandon alignment. but can not further in that class. Reading the PHB it seems clerics can do the same but only one click...ex. law to neutral or neutral to chaos your alignment and spell selection cannot be 2 steps away from your diety..ex good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Please correct me if i am wrong.
sometimes the Kingmaker video game is different than the pnp
@@ArcaneAgent Yay I know, I have tried alignment shifts for barbarians and monks but clerics are too time consuming. In PHP you lose abilities in bard and monk so obviously there are differences.
Traditional monks is basically a straight upgrade on normal monk in this game. You trade the ability to choose your ki powers in for a good will save, +2 at level 1 scaling up to +12 at level 20
Traditional Monk is the weakest subclass in the game. It's only good if you take only 1 level in it.
Restrictions - Must be Lawful Neutral alignment in order to take Monk and Druid levels; Dualist requires Mobility
Race - Asimar, Plumekith (Garuda-Blooded) +2 DEX and WIS. Alternatively go Elf for bow proficiency at early levels.
Starting Stats before racial mods - STR 14, DEX 14, CON 7, INT 17, WIS 16, CHA 7; (After racial, DEX 16, WIS 18)
Druid Skills - Mobility, Trickery, Perception, Persuasion, (Every other level: Use Magic Device)
Level 1 - Blight Druid (for 4 levels), Dextruction Domain; Feat - Dodge (or weapon finesse)
Level 2 - rinse repeat
Level 3 - Feat - Dodge or Weapon Finesse
Level 4 - WIS +1
Level 5 - Traditional Monk or Vanilla Monk; Feats - Natural Spell, Crane Style
Level 6 - Back to Druid till lvl 15
Level 7 - Feat - Crane Wing
Level 8 - WIS +1
Level 9 - Feat - Combat Mobility (Required for Dualist)
Level 10 -
Level 11 - Feat - Crane Riposte
Level 12 - INT +1
Level 13 - Feat - Wings
Level 14 -
Level 15 - Feat - Combat Expertise
Level 16 - Dualist from here on; INT +1
Level 17 - Feat - Extend Spell
Level 18 -
Level 19 - Feat - Reach Spell
Level 20 - INT +1; Skills - Raise Athletics up to +10 (or whatever else you want);
Tactical Notes: Owl's Wisdom adds to both Spell DCs and AC. INT contributes a max of 5 to AC. 33 AC buffed without wild shape, defensive feats, or magic items. 47 AC against ranged attacks in air elemental form fighting defensively. 62 AC vs Melee Attack of Opportunity. (Probably 54 vs. normal melee attacks.) Put on some WIS and DEX boosting items along with Bracers of Armor or Mage's Armor scroll for more sky-high AC.
I don't know if they patched this out or what. But Flurry of blows doesn't work with ANY of the shapeshifts. But I feel you man, I played shifter druid in NWN and it worked there!
Well dang this video from 8 months ago hasnt aged well
The biggest downside of blight druid is that it doesn't offer an animal companion and I don't think the domains are that good. The aura of miasma is pretty cool though, however it doesn't specify "enemies" so friendly fire should be possible with it.
A small problems with this build I saw unless they changed things in the hotfix is that first Duelist only add to AC based on the level so a level 4 Duelist can only add 4 int bonus to the AC so the 5th is wasted IF you got it just for AC. bracer of armor does not stack with armor and blocks monk bonus I think still. I think transformation skills not just wild shape benefit from wild cast or what ever so that's a big bonus. Monk AC is bugged still btw
Yeah monk AC is bugged, but here I have 5 int mod and 5 levels of duelist, so it wors
Love all your builds, gives me new things to try. Keep up the good work
Thanks Eric, I plan on breaking the game with a build this week
love your build guides, cant wait to see what you would do with the companions in Pathfinder
I shall mess with them soon
Liquid thanks for these builds, I know I am not giving you a full build but I would love to see an armored hulk + two handed fighter build!
Rangers fighters and barbarians are on my list
Stupid question but why does a druid need so much INT?
They don't. But I like skills
unarmed is considered light and a natural wep. it stacks with both bounes. Monk rouges are just OP, also unless i am mistaken, def bracers dont work with armor, you just get your armor AC and the bracers are wasted
I'm glad he is taking these characters through the first few levels instead of just showing off the nigh unreachable end product.
Kind of time consuming to play each build up to 20th level when the character respec mod doesnt work with each new patch
Thats also the downfall though. These build guides would be infinitely more useful for me if they would highlight some tougher fights at various points later in the game. All those buildguide stuff on yt right now is pure theorycraft.
Let me go spend 30 hours of the game per class per build to provide the video proof these builds work
@@ArcaneAgent i know its not really feasible without various saves and a character editor, but might be worth looking into when the game is in a more stable version.
Do you guys have a google sheet file for your kingmaker pathfinder that is more complete than mine?
I would love a text template of your builds and maybe the addition of a comparative text based attribute adjustment showing attribute and skill changes level by level increase.
That would be a whole lot more work for me to do, and a lot more time consuming
Good patreon perk
62 AC with only self-buffs and no bracers, rings, amulet defenses? crazy
Exactly, its fun and powerful
54, actually. The AC he showed was against an attack of opportunity, so it included a +8 from Combat Mobility and Enhanced Mobility.
Well 54 is still tasty, and 62 against attacks of opportunity is pretty nifty.
Those are some pretty classy portraits, much better than the provided portraits at release.
Do you have a preferred website when looking up portraits for these sorts of games?
I made a video a while back about it.
But I google, baldurs gate portraits, icewind dale portraits, neverwinter nights portraits, fantasy portraits, dungeons and dragons portraits, etc
You can also go to nexusmods and look at the various portrait packs made for pathfinder.
www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/5
You might get +2 AC if you add the beard back! Haha :D
Beard protects against small cuts from a very tiny knife
Sick build, literally
Heh thanks
Hi,
Thanks again for all your hard work on these builds. I have learned quite a lot from watching them. As to this Druid Duelist Monk build, would not Druid Monk Rogue/Thug be a better idea. I know you would be making it more MAD, but you would pick up more skills, feats, uncanny dodge and evasion. I am a big fan of 4 to 8 levels of Rogue/Thug for the uncanny dodges and other skills picked up. I don't really see the attraction of Duelist, as you use the Monk Crane line of feats to reduce the Defensive fighting.
I think I was trying to max AC without any armor, hence the levels of duelist and monk
Monk sensa gets wisdom to hit level 2.
I dont think they do... I don't read that anywhere in this game
I believe they do get wisdom bonus to attacks
Find it in the text of the game and show it. Or even better, make a monk, give him 17 wisdom, look at his attack, and then level him to 4 and give him 18 wisdom, look at his attack then
@@ArcaneAgentSensa2/Viv1/WisSorc4/NoArmorCleric3/Mystic10....tons of spells with the sneak attack rays and touch. You can actually do something on enemies with sneak immunity.
@@ArcaneAgent 2nd level if I remember right
I can totally relate to Liquid always ranking in trickery. You could call it "Post Traumatic NWN Syndrome". If you couldn't find and disarm traps back then than you had to run the campaign with the same stupid rogue. I played through 3 times and always took the able learner feat that allowed you to spend 1 skill point vs. 2 to rank up a non class skill. You still needed 1 rouge level because even with said feat you could only invest half your character level if you had no rouge in your multiclass. I feel your pain Liquid..but it made for a lot more planning.
The locks are more evil in this game. If you fail your lock trickery check, you have to wait a whole level to come back and try to unlock it.
If you fail a trap disarm attempt, you can try again immediately.
@@ArcaneAgent That is fair for them being in the same skill tree and not locked to just bards and rogues (or knock). Law domain lets a willing character take 11 on a d20. Luck domain will let you roll twice and take the better. Good gives you boosts to ability and skill checks half the cleric level, knowledge does similar but for everyone. There are quite a few others and many stack. If your #1 trickery character can't make it on an 11 with cat's grace, inspire competence, Luck, reduce person, a divine and arcane skill boost (all available at with 1st level characters) then your in the wrong dungeon for your party. I try my 2nd best thievery character and then you can get the DC from there and plan.
Ah...never thought about using your trash roll character first. Regardless it Still causes you to f5 and f8 a lot
I'd love to see you build an Aldori Defender. The game throws the dueling swords at you like candy, and it's got good world flavor, but the specialist class for them feels under-powered.
I shall
10/10 just for the song. Good build idea.
Do you know the song's name by any chance? I would be really grateful.
Its a non copyright song from soundstripe.com
@@ArcaneAgent Thanks, now I know where to look. But there are so many songs... do you remember the artist or something?
I'm sorry, which face and hair color should I pick for this build ?
I like your build, but it needs combat reflexes because you have 2 AOO enablers but only one AOO.
Ah yes, there is room in there to place it
But why put it on a tanky character like this? It's understandable on a dps dude like rogue or dual wield but not on the tank.
@@orarinnsnorrason4614 Well pure tanks in pathfinder are sorta useles u need som damege no matter what and having to ways to generate AOO and no way to enable 1 of them is just silly
Well he just showed you what to do when you need aoo. Just turn into a wolf.
With a shiny colar
Just.. Start as a Monk at level one then build from there. You won't have to worry about weapons or armor for the rest of the game, you can even grab combat expertise earlier to get the full benefit of being a Crane Tank. For love of god though, don't ever take Con as a dump stat. It's like doing a lvl 1 Dark Souls run. You Will Die. Often. Other than that, it's a fairly chill set up for laughing at the enemy as they try to hit you. Turn into a leopard, turn on flurry of blows and pounce around the map. Good times.
How about a two handed melee build? Let’s see what kind of DPS you can lay down!
Come on guys I just wanna play the game hehe. Sure thing
Liquid Plays LOL, well on that note, I would like to see more of some of these builds in action - especially against higher-level enemies. Don’t know how plausible that is, but...
Id have to play the game all the way to those high levels, or get the character editor to work with each new patch
Still waiting for the monster tech build :)
Still cranking out builds hehe
hmmm interesting. Is it possible to dip into sword saint, to get even more ac from that INT and also chosen weapon bite or claw or something? Plus the personal spells shield and mirror image might come in handy? Or is it a bad choice?
It's always possible always
I don't think wings help against rain. My aasimar pally is still slow as molasses in rain.
Yeah thats gotta be messed up then
62 against attack of opportunities 4 form combat mobility 4 from duelist so its like 54 normal melee attacks
Still a lot
@@ArcaneAgent True
Gaaah, min-maxing the stats is something I really can't do.
I know, I hate it too
I know this video is 3 yrs old and not sure if the creator is still reading the comments or if he has already done this but do you have a monk/magus build or vice versa?
I probably do around here somewhere
@@ArcaneAgent I will look when i get off work. I just started experimenting with that build and not sure if I am building it correctly. I am currently only lvl 2 with 1 level in each and as far as stats go I have 14 all the way down except in wisdom with 15 there...
Add written build in description or a link to it. Fextralife is a good channel if you need suggestions on how to do this well.
Fextralife also has more than just 1 guy making videos, they have their own website hehe.
I want to start linking some excel sheets in there for people, its just even more time consuming.
1 hour to test a build
30 to 45 minutes to shoot the video
And then about 1 hour to 1 hour 30 minutes to edit, produce, upload.
@@ArcaneAgent Extra steps are what will set your channel apart from others.
I will try it, and see if it makes a difference in setting me apart
There is always Nerd Commando but most of his builds are written in the comments by some very helpful subscribers 😀
Well that seems nice, seems like some helpful subscribers could be helpful
Same bonus types don't stack. Dodge +5 and Doge +1 from different sources still equal +5.
Yeppers
Dodge bonuses and circumstance bonuses are the only 2 types of bonuses that stack, at least in pen and paper. I honestly don't remember if Kingmaker has circumstance bonuses because I haven't played it in ages, it probably does but don't quote me on that.
Dodge stacks with itself. Sacred AC stacks with morale AC stacks with insight AC stacks with inherent AC stacks with natural ac etc
very nice build, i built a druid 12/monk 4/rogue 4 today just to make a dreadful druid. Oh if someone is not using Knowledge (Arcana), you might not be able to identify any of the unidentified gear you pick up. I wanted to let ya know if your thinking of soloing the game with some of your builds. Plus im might give you my Magus build to mess around with to see if you can make it even better.
I tried out the magus and I still think a regular wizard ek is better
@@ArcaneAgent Here is my build for my Magus (Eldritch Scion)
. If you want to mess with it and try other things with it, go for it. A regular wizard/EK is missing the nice arcane armor bonuses that the magus needs to fight in close range to a wizard/EK has more spells.
Heritage: Musetouched
Bloodline: Serpentine
Attributes
Str: 16 (for Weapon and melee touch spells)
Dex: 16 (for ranged touch spells)
Con: 12
Int: 14
Wis: 10
Cha: 15
Skills: Trickery, Knowledge (Arcana), Perception, Persausion
Feats/Magus Arcana
Lvl 1: Combat Casting
Lvl 3: Point Blank Shot, Arcane Accuracy
Lvl 4: +1 CHA (must for max level spells)
Lvl 5: Weapon Focus (Touch), Precise Shot
Lvl 6: Enduring Blade
Lvl 7: Dodge
Lvl 9: Power Attack, Dimension Strike
Lvl 11: Wings, Combat Reflexes
Lvl 12: Hasted Assault
Lvl 13: Dazzling Display
Lvl 15: Shattered Defenses, Ghost Blade
Lvl 17: Dreadful Carnage, Cornugon Smash
Lvl 18: Bane Blade
Lvl 19: Blind Fight
I like it it looks good
@@ArcaneAgent I just did this build, thought i didnt min/max and went with 12 druid/1 monk/7 duelist and lost 7 AC because of that. highest was a 55 in fire elemental form (same dex bonus as air form but gets another form of attack)
Yeah the extra attack is nice , I still like shambling mound
Inquisitor Tactical Leader/ranger build if possible.
It's a build I am currently doing. I am going for something like 14 pokemaster/1 vivisectionist
/5 freebooter. The pokemaster is a follower of Shelyn (for the glaive of course)
Does your pokemaster want to be the very best?
Nice, that's exactly what I was looking for.
But for the love of God, please tell me the name of that intro song! :D
Give us the Single most OP Level 1 or 2 Character you can come up with.
Op level 1 or 2. Check
Sacred Huntsmaster of Shelyn (Dog or Wolf), Human, Strength primary (DEX and WIS secondary), Luck Domain.
Combat Expertise
Trip
The real fun starts at level 3 though when you get tandem trip and so does your wolf. Doesn't scale well with higher levels (except by using true strike), but you'd be hard pressed to find something better at early levels.
Where is the damage?
Could you do a "face" focus build?
Charisma focused personality build? Built around persuasion? Yeppers
At low levels... Has no more beard... *Double takes*
Shot some on Friday, shaved and shot the rest Saturday. You win for noticing
successful perception roll
Noticed at the very beginning when the AC 62 was played. John, beard FTW!
Haha perception roll
Its a lovely beard
could work with feyspeaker druid and scaled fist monk probably if you really want to be the face ?
Yea definitely. Throw in 2 levels of Paladin for crazy saves
@@ArcaneAgent well druids can't be paladins, iirc, for you have to be a neutral to be a druid so you could not dip into paladin
Ah fart
краса чел, спасибо за билд, только попробуй его протестировать на эльфах дикой охоты, а не на бомжам 1 уровня
Inquisitor-Sacred Huntsmaster/Monk/Sorcerer ?
Monk sorcerer ek. Nexr
..My 2 favorite classes in dnd ... I am only sorry that we need to build them only for "bumbuum" in video games, such a shame such a waist ... nice build thoo!
Im starting to love druids more and more
I have always loved Rogues and I've always loved Wizards
Doesn't Duelist's riposte work with unarmed attacks?
What do you use to be able to level up without playing through the game?
I made a video about the experience editor
I found it, in your vids, thanks!
Hi man, im tried to build a barbarian hulk ( heavy armor)/druid feyspeaker. i fucked it up because of the non metal armor for druids. i dont know what to do now. Ty
Maybe druid wasnt the best splash class to take
im noob, didnt know. Ty anyway. :D
I need to dork around with more barbarian builds
Dodge and uncanny dodge does not stack as they are the same modifier it is showing incorrectly +4 for other but your total of 23 is correct. Dodge is a type of AC each type can only stack once. You can't stack Other via Monk/Barbarian either.
Dodge bonuses are an explicit exception to stacking bonus types.
Heck yes they are
Where are your leveling guides I don't see any links to them?
Its a video Like...6 videos back
still can't find it I assume then it must be in one of your other build video's. Thank you for your reply!
Never mind I found it.
you look so young after you shaved.
I'm immortal
How about Druid barbarian build?
Druid/1 monk is way better build. You could get unarmored defense through barbarian or monk but not from both. Since your wisdom will be your main druid stat, it will be way more than constitution.
Hi Liquid, I thought posting here since this is your recent build would be best. Why don't you answer any of your comments here? I have asked you 2 different questions here on 2 of your builds with no reply? I subscribed to your channel and have noticed others have asked you questions also with no reply. Anyway hope to hear something soon or I'm going to move on as I'm sure others will too. Anyway thanks for your video's.
I try to reply to as many comments as I can, but now I'm getting 60 comments a day, and 12,000 views a day. Lemme go see what your questions were
Does Sensai get Wisdom to hit in this version? Maybe they pulled that out or something?
Not yet, I havemt seen that in text format anywhere
2nd level replaces dex and or str to hit no damage
Whats the intro music?
Nvm, it's buried in comments. Into the Light (Remix) - Neon Beach.
Sorry hehe
18 Int for wisdom caster is kinda cringe
Can we get the name of the intro song?
Found it. Into the Light (Remix) - Neon Beach. Also my dear youtuber, if you are seeing this, always leave the name of the musics you use in the description please.
The names of the music's are typically songs I have to pay for music licensing.
Ive seriously not gotten many requests for the music
@@ArcaneAgent I see. Still if possible always leave for us, you seem to have a good taste on music :)
@@kazuesan33 Thank you! :D
Why is the int so high?
Int bonuses from duelist
Ac bonuses for the duelist AC class is from int modifier
Awesome, thanks!
Why not go Monk at 1st level? That will make you much less squishy.
Because.
Contrary to believe, Monks are shit at the beginning. They don't break the game until later.
@@orarinnsnorrason4614 Monks are tougher at 1st lvl than a Druid melee is IMO
Yeppers
@@tracyallen2854 And how long are you planning to stay at level.1 for it to matter?
keep you beard, man.
Haha it grows back fast
Do a let's play
I shall, what build should I use
Do you really enjoy the game like that? ...
Yes
@@ArcaneAgent And what about good stories? .. With the possibility that the characters have a life of their own, desires, desires, beyond getting a +1 more? I mean we lose the perspective of the dramatic game ... Even, the most important challenges in my games are usually investigations that the players themselves have to think about, they are not solved with a skill roll. 30 years of experience playing role-playing, and directing my own game ... GRAVIAS. Roll20 ... With PATHFINDER rules.
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Is it possible to make a finesse monk in this game?
Yes that's Wednesdays build
doesn't the monk get a free feat or feature for his fists? If not you can make them so by taking one.
Monks get unarmed attacks for free, but you would still need weapon finesse for dex attacks
There’s a guy who did a solo finesse monk play through. Got to level 20. Need 3 levels of rogue. My playthrough my main is that and it is so strong and there is so much monk gear I made another lol. One evil one good for the robes.
We need more itemsssss
ill never use any min.max builds ever....
Me either
soy
Definite soy
@@ArcaneAgent nice video bro
Thank ye
you guide is good but its not suitable for soloing, cause later in the game you will be attacked by 20 enemies and they will be rolling 20 at 50 percent of times so ac doesnt help much
But it would be a fun challenge
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