Casuals : The Last Subculture in English Football
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"What's your piece?"
"I gotta go with my Sambas"
*cuts to a pair of Gazelles
I thought he said salmons as in the colour?
@@alexthomson7465pretty sure he sad sambas after listening a few times
I love how he is wearing a fred perry jacket when doing this reportage.
attention to detail
The Libertines, The Jam, The Stone roses and New Order in one video. Amazing!
It's a real shame that English football atmospheres are dead now. The crowd is full of tourists and plastic fans.
Are you serious? Look at Leeds fans! MOT
So true ! I don't go home games at anfield cause there all families and tourists who are only there for pictures and don't even now half the players except bloody Gerrard - away games are a different class tho 😉
You mean Chelsea and City "fans"...
manzilla48 if every english fan that winged about this actually went to games and stopped complaining about it maybe it wouldn't be like this
I know haha
Eli is the best Copa90 presenter. Videos with him are always good.
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Respect to Eli remember he won a competition to be on Copa 90 now he does some of the best videos on here
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Tyreece Charles cheers pal!
+Daniel Lister your gay
5:31 Sally Cinnamon your my world!🍋
The best sr tune.
This is proper English football stuff, this is what Copa90 should be looking more towards for some documentaries. A Crystal Palace one would be cool, with the fan culture and the atmosphere!
Yes 👍
Only for the cheerleaders
Joe Cameron No Joe, I wont.
Joe Cameron Alrighty Matey
Ky le I'm a celtic fan and by no means does the club have ties with the IRA , it's just some stupid fans that are interested in that shit
The vast majority of casuals are 12 year olds who got their mum to buy them a Stone Island jacket and a pair of gazelles for Christmas.
I will agree with the kids about 12 going down and going for fights is dumb af
Also in Finland it is seen as disrespectful to wear Stone Island to matches if you haven't got a good enough "ranking" among the fans. Only the actual top clobber people use Stoney
pigger11 why hating on lil lads trying to revive the culture? Isn’t it a good thing
Depends where you are I’m Scottish and made the mistake of planning a long weekend in Glasgow when an old firm game was on and their casuals seem to really vary in age wee loons up to guys that looked like they were pushing 60 but it was Glasgow could of been actually only been 30 lol
Must be fucking rich kids getting a Stone Island coat for Christmas!! Remember asking for a kappa jacket circa 84' which was £80 and my ma just laughed at me. Had one by February though!! Where there's a will there's a way!! Most clobber was bought and sold between the lads anyway. Remember the Mille Miglia first came out, that went around about 8 lads. 12 yr olds these days wouldn't of lasted 20minutes back then. It was fucking brutal. Been met outside a certain boozer at the back of Euston by a mob of Spurs(I think) with Axes and machetes These pretenders now would be crying for mummy or the dibble. Or filming it so everyone gets nicked.
That blue stone island jacket was FIRE !!!
Eli's Fred Perry cagoule is nicer
TheArsenalMan125 if you're talking about the R.I.P comment, the lad in the blue SI coat has since passed unfortunately
ok thanks for the reply.
sad to hear
Antonio Graovac - accident at work I think, tree surgery, tragic
Yeah, I heard it was a work related death. Rip Paul Daniels. City on the brink of doing it for you mate.
Playing down the violence element in casual culture is just daft. That's where it came from and that's where it stayed until acid house came along and even then some people couldn't accept hugging the people that six months before they'd been fighting with [for instance the 'Hooligans Against Acid' T-Shirts].
Back when it was brand new, the coppers didn't have a clue and the only people who knew who their opponents were on the streets and terraces were the lads themselves. The coppers were looking for people with shaved heads wearing Dr Martens. Even then there were older lads who liked a drink and a fight but couldn't get their heads around expensive tracksuits and trainers.
I still see plenty of young lads wearing the trainers/clothes today. But I really can't understand the attraction of actually getting up to anything remotely like hooliganism these days, it's just not worth it. Back then, if you managed to get home [if your team was playing away] then that was it, there was very little chance of anything coming on top if they didn't catch you on the day itself. These days there's that much CCTV and clued up coppers about that even the smallest of altercation with the opposition in the street before/after the game [don't even think about inside the ground] and there's a high chance that your front door will be getting a knock by Mr Plod early one morning. So lads these days may dress like they are 'hooligans' and the vast % of them like to think they are 'pwoper norty geezers' but you can't compare it to the 70's/80's when if you dressed like that, you were practically guaranteed some action and you wouldn't dress like that if you didn't want to know. Of course I can understand the attraction of travelling somewhere today with a coach load of your mates, having a drink and a laugh, that was a major attraction back then too, there was just much more of a chance of violence back then, whether you wanted it or not.
If you were a follower of a major club back then, when the sizes of the mobs that travelled was usually massive and often well policed with good info about travel times/pubs etc, you could hang around on the periphery and feel pretty safe. At smaller clubs where you were far more conspicuous it was far more dangerous in my experience. 50/60 lads a side meeting on a street before/after the game [or even inside the ground] and you needed your wits about you and the ability to look after yourself at least a bit or it could go very wrong indeed. Run off and leave your mates and you wouldn't be welcomed back the week after, that's for sure. It wasn't the few hundred singing their songs behind the police escort you had to worry about, but the 15 lads that were really up for it and that had travelled separately from the main support that could get you into major problems in my experience. And obviously it was those kind of lads that were taking the greatest risks by travelling in small numbers into enemy territory unescorted, so they obviously knew just what they were doing. I'm not saying I'm some kind of super hooligan, but I was around when all this started and I was into the clothes. I've been both the giver and the receiver over the years and I still get the cold chills remembering that graveyard by Ayersome Park one cold winter's evening in the mid 80's when it was like scene from a horror film as they all appeared out of the dark like some kind of zombie army. About 30 of us couldn't get onto that coach fast enough to assess the damage.
Harry Whitehouse No mate. I'm very nearly 50, I was around when all this started. Sounds like you're a very brave keyboard warrior to me.
Harry Whitehouse On your bike, you clown. It's from my own memory, none of it's from anywhere else, or it's a coincidence if it is. Fuck off and cause your keyboard warrior hassle elsewhere. Sounds like you're bored on your Easter holidays from school to me!
grizcuz stay out of boro
@@grizcuz your 50 so should no a lot that he is saying is the truth 😂
@@miamigliahaving a scrap at the football that’s what u do mate
shame every 12 year old kid wearing stone island now, makes the brand a bit of a laugh tbh
Now drake is wearing it, it's almost getting too common?
I'm 13 and I have stone island and I have it because it's a good brand and better than the shitty primark stuff u probs wear
They don’t understand where it all started, but there are some lads round Merseyside especially who are like 16-19 who get what it’s about. I got out of my firm when I 17 after I got arrested. Luckily they said I did it out of self defence. Weren’t wrong like but yeno I did go out looking for a scrap
It's a way of life style, running with Adidas, SI, CP, MA. Strum, Weekend Offender, Ellesse etc etc... It's also tons of money for this clothes, but good quality...
i've always preferred a bit of p&s to be honest... not a lot of little chavies running about in it either.
The music in this is beyond, brilliant. Guns of Brixton by The Clash, Blue Mondays by New Order, Sally Cinnamon by Stone Roses . Terrific stuff
The Jam?
sham 69 are good
I am 55 now and still wearing 80s gear it's the best Everton fc
Mark Anderson I’m 60 this year, I’m exactly the same, Bristol City.
@@billywhizz5021 Im 65 last year and yes ..... I still wear gear from the 80s. Bolton Wanderers
My fella 48 he’s the same wears all the 80s clobber West Ham ⚒
im nearly 58 remember buying cp company around 1979 chester perry traverling from nottingham to london to a shop called nick knacks i think in soho tachini from sharps sports off kensington high street and wedge hair cuts scousers started the casual scene
@@angie-smart-but-casual same thing whith me and my kids well Adults now just love the gear
One of my favourite Copa90 videos... What English football is all about. I think a good idea of a video would be about english atmosphere. Go around clubs like Palace, Leeds etc...
Dude starts talking: *cranks up volume*
Music plays: "AHHH!!!"
Being in the casual scene my self I really enjoyed this video especially when people shared there experiences brings back memory's of things I have experienced
top songs in this, The Jam, New Order, The Stone Roses....
And the libertines !
Great soundtrack. Stone roses, libertines, the jam
Those were the days in English football except for the hooliganism of course; standing terraces, travelling to the football with your mates, a great atmosphere in every single ground in the country, no stadiums being named after a sponsorship, low ticket prices, now you get corporate fans, half and half scarves, tourists and selfie sticks at grounds, not to mention the dire atmosphere nowadays
Mahir Hussain I don't see why half half scarves are bad. They show you respect the other team, that you're there for a great match between two teams.
half and half scarves...lol huh? holy fuck that's gayer than aids eh
Not having a dig honestly but u would get fuckin smashed in scotland for a half n half scarf that's an English thing.
the naked worm that’s how it should be rather chop my bollox of than wear a half n half
How would you know ?? You wasnt about in them days ?? You probably werent even in this country then. Lol
RIP PAUL DANIELS ALWAYS IN OUR HEARTS 🇧🇼🇧🇼
What did he die of 😥
RIP
Part of the story missing is the fact that we dressed better and smarter than everyone else to get away from the old bill who thought that the scarfers were the hooligans back in the day.football is not a 3pm to 4.45pm thing.its all day and your dressed for any eventuality.respect and regards
I'd say the stock of football casuals is once again rising...
Love this, shows what the Football is all about really. also loved you playing the Stone Roses, keep up the good work
The FA ruined English football culture.
Nope, Capitalism did
It was the Dzermans who did it..
society has changed an football shows that
Retrogamer412 Capitalism is what keeps football alive.
no it didn't sky sports did
Love these beyond football mini docs. Great stories and experiences. Great job 👏
I have always said football is the last remaining emotional attachment which joins my family together. apart from that we mostly argue who is washing dishes
Hands down one of the best videos I've seen on CZcams! Love this!
If anyone is wondering the song. it's going underground by the jam.
Love the "Sally cinnamon'" when eli's going to Manchester
Awesome soundtrack, reflects the times the casual movement grew up. Really good
this makes out that the casual movement wasn't alot to do fighting when that was obviously the main part. You weren't a casual just by wearing certain clothes or listening to certain bands lol.
ye, they try to sanitize it same way with skinheads, middle class hipsters always water down any working class youth movement in this country. you see the same thing happening with 'grime' and the whole chav chic thing.
Quality vid, amazing culture that's still raging today amongst the younger lot. Quality to see that so many people nowadays still relate to these values held by lads almost 40 years ago.
I've never really been a fan of the clothing, but I do fucking love the music. Bands like Oasis, The Stone Roses, The Jam etc get me really fired up for football
The link to football between these bands and the sport itself is unreal. It’s got such an iconic following and a defining association with football, it’s a brilliant mix
I can understand younger people feeling nostalgic for a time they never knew, when life was edgier the clothes the music the fashion.
But watching a doco you can't see the beer bottles flying feeling the fear of being isolated chased and bashed either by thugs or police or smell the piss everywhere in streets and stadiums, I do because I was there but I wouldn't have brought my son.
The past is a foreign country things were different some better some worse.
The stone roses and the jam as well as football casuals/hooligans. Doesn't get much better than this
the jame were mods..us and casuals hated each other
Ian Harris
The Jam Aren’t Proper Mods,
The Jam aren’t Mods,
The Real mod Bands Are Groups Like The Who, The Small faces, The Kinks and The Yardbirds,
No true mod likes the Jam.
The Who Are The kings of Mod Music.
The Jam aren’t mod.
Man the content on this channel is getting better and better every day. Keep up the great work! :)
I have the same jacket, was released when the film 'Awaydays' (inspired from the book) was out. Limited edition from Fred Perry based on the cagoules worn in the film.
THE JAAAAAM
Michael Reyes stop going on about the jam,it's fucking over
Big Owl stfu
As cool as it is to learn about cultures at football clubs and nations all over the world, it is nice to see this kind of content a bit closer to home. It would be great if the channel could pay a little bit more attention to English football and the culture of it by for instance, like someone said in another comment, going to different teams/areas of the country (they mentioned Crystal Palace) and taking a look at the unique feeling and culture that the team provides. Obviously not every club has that sort of feel but it definitely exists, especially at a number of lower league clubs where the fans take great pride in going to watch the game. Now to check out Distant Echo because it looks pretty cool!
I love your use of Blue Monday. One of my all time favorite songs
Perfectly encapsulates the culture...great work lads!
Maybe my favorite vid from Copa90, love it.
(btw if anyone else is interested in English football culture watch the movie Casusals on CZcams, its a two parted movie)
They never do a proper English Derby like Millwall West Ham
It's more that game will not happen unless a cup draw which is very unlikely.
Mason Gingell Villa West brom, the original english derby.
that's because its not worth it
southern softies you mean
Paul Mcdonough 😂😂😂init
Good watch. Subscribed.
Nice pair of SL72's on the Manc lad.
absolute boss love this guy loves your shows keep it up.
if you change "casuals" to "casualties" the thumbnail gets a whole different meaning
I go to Aston Villa games week in and week out, you do not see the most of the casuals there, but there is a few! Brings a great feel to a football game to be honest
Smithylicious Course it will be mate, Police always have it covered.
WhosFerg Lol, it's decent when we are winning! Decent overall I'd say.
WhosFerg haha fair play, yeah r1 is okay, i have a season ticket in k4, pretty good there i quite like it
u renewed it?&weird, i've never sat in upper holte haha
WhosFerg just about too, or buy somewhere close, yeah, buzzing for the new season and the richards signing!
just had the yellow and gold forest hills turn up in the post, well happy with them.
the casual trend was boring after the early 80s IMHO, nothing will ever top the Lacoste Tacchini Fila and Ellesse gear of that time
And a nice pair of Diadora Borg Elite
ye agreed
GriefTourist exactly now it’s all these Chavez wannabes kids
I’ve got an original 1983 Lacoste tracksuit. The crocodile is huge.
You never explained what a casual is
capntacito 😆🤣😂 I was waiting the whole time for that answer
Seriously. Had to Google it. Apparently it's hooligans who wear expensive designer clothes.
@@glswenson basically 😂
Wade Smith! Miss that shop, used to spend hours in there at the weekends.
These days were the best, miss them like crazy.
Top doco, cheers Copa 90 and Eli.
The jam
Liverpool fc started the casual movement before anybody else from our journeys across Europe in the 70's and 80's
great videos mate! cheers from Malaysia!
Inspiring stuff in a way. I'm going to do some more research into this because it is a defining but under-appreciated aspect of English football.
R.I.P to Paul who was in this video
Holph Rarris do u mean he died because he got the shit beat out of him or he actually died at work
Benny Stockport was he? Am a Chester fan seem him a few times at Stockport always game with us top lad
Everton lads used to go on the rob with Liverpool lads when they played in Europe in late 70s early 80s
adam c spot on lad! Just wish I was around then😂
callum EFC haha good shout that nando's boys! Yeah fkn despise those half n half scarves proper fkn tools the lot of them. Can't do or say fck all at Anfield these days they want it as a happy go lucky day out for rich tourists to fill the club shop tills while the likes of me and other Scouse lads who used to create a intimidating atmosphere watch it in the boozer or at home because we have been pushed out of our club for wools who have a few quid, Liverpool fc was created to represent the people of Liverpool along with Everton not Dave from Warwickshire, Diana from Kent or bjorn from Norway it pisses me off 😡 as shanks once said on the steps of St. George's hall to locals we are proud to play for you! That is not the case these days scousers are becoming more and more the minority's at Anfield these days it's a like a United Nations gathering on match days, and it's more like a carnival day out than a intimidating place with snarling scousers putting the shits up teams like back in the day, that's modern football for you.
you said it, thats modern world for you, every culture diluted.
@@redman9pablo respect mate for you and the true Liverpool fans the only reason I hate that club now is for the mentally ill fans that Liverpool attracted from its success
@@redman9pablo without those fans you wouldn’t have the team you’ve got
Brilliant watch, can't beat the casual fashion
We Hull city lads had one of the first casual crews in the country outside the northwest, fuck it takes me back, travelling the country in the back of a box van!.
nowadays casual culture seems like a massive faux pas. I wear some of the gear but don't intend to go around claiming I'm a casual or that I want to get into trouble because I go to the football to watch the football, and dress well. Not pretend I get into scraps after away games on Instagram like a lot of the 16 year old geeks who wear their dad's old Stonie who have no idea how to conduct themselves...
Is it just me that thinks a Leeds documentary about their rapid decline would be good
Just you
And now that they are on the up again
Man this videos for a great soundtrack, new order, stone roses, libertines yes!
Love your stuff fellas.A small point the London Casual scene music was more soul and black based.Anyway a lovely trip down memory lane....thanks.
05:23 love it when he's going to Manchester, he put the Stone Roses on instead of Oasis..
Stone roses 🍋 love it great vid
Great Channel. and Nice Cagoule Fred Perry.. cheers From the Philippines!
Brilliant vid mate
RIP Paul Daniels. He died 3 years ago next month.
That's magic!
@@coloneldecker he would of knocked you clean out kid oldham fyc top lad Paul
FOOTBALL, CLOTHES AND MUSIC. CASUAL LIFE.
Today's casuals dress differently to the early 80's casuals in many ways. It's almost a completely different fashion to our look which was polos and roll necks under diamond Pringle and Lyle and Scott jumpers, split and frayed Lois or FU's jeans, or jumbo Lois cords (split of course). Sergeo, Fila and Ellesse tracksuits and t-shirts (Gabbici in the early days), La Coste anything. Trainers haven't changed much as we used to wear Gazelles and Stan Smith, Diadora but we also used to wear Kicker boots. I'm talking about East London and Essex though, I remember up in Liverpool Pringle jumpers weren't too popular so I suppose it varied regionally.
David McMullan yeah Pringle was more of a London thing and maybe Pompey,northerners weren’t really in to it saw it as a cockney/London thing👍⚒
@@elisabrown3018 I remember we bumped into Pompey's firm at Fratton park in 85 or 86 and they were wearing the casual gear, 2 years after we'd abandoned it.
Eli's slain as always , awesome vid man 👌🏻
Proper English football! It's a massive way of life, fair play Copa90
That lad in Liverpool that's interviewed must be from over the water. Bad Jedi accent.
Just looking threw CZcams and he is defo a Jedi haha
Did notice that too.
Nah he's a scouser
What's a jedi
@@5786brianwhy does he have that accent then?
Love this channel
Yes lad! Love a bit of The Jam.
We need a part two on Casuals and maybe a part one on any other football subculture.
Still going terraces still have their dressers. Some clubs just have dressers.
Problem is so many trampy tourists at the football.
It was the ASC (Aberdeen Soccer Casuals) that really started the whole thing off, I'd say the story North of the border is more interesting.
Great work... Cheers
Every song played in this video is fucking amazing, also great video.
This why we need to support r lower league local teams to keep this culture alive and leave the tourists and money to the top 6 clubs
Enjoyed that.
But I was never just an English subculture. We were all at it up north as well.
I was from the early eighties.
I'll let it slip this time. But *British next time. ;)
***** it was Rangers that ended motherwells time in casuals scene back in the early 80s,,,,I don't think I need a o elaborate any thurther. 🇬🇧section red🇬🇧icf🇬🇧hms🇬🇧
One of the best videos copa90 have done
Well done lads great vid
No surprise there's less subcultures when every 'underground' scene gets picked up immediately and blown up so fast that it kills it. Added to that the brands like Stone Island have become much larger and a wider range of people wear it and that there is so much music at the moment, I can't really see there being too many more subcultures. A shame.
Adidas Gazelle & Stone Island...........miss football away days🤛🤛
Another great documentary 😝😝 cop 90 is amazing 👌👌👌
Sent to me from heaven
We went up to Aberdeen in the first leg of a European Cup tie in 1980. The Anny Road mob had been dressing casual for matches since about 1978. We breezed out of the station wearing our blue Lois jeans, or black needle-cord Lois jeans, Adidas or Puma trainers, Sergio Tacchini t-shirts, Ben Sherman button-down collared shirts, some had 2-tone bomber jackets on, others wore chunky box-type cardies - don't forget, this was northern Scotland in October, it was fucking freezing.
Our hairstyles were this new 'wedge cut' that had replaced the 1970s feather cut, many had fingers full of sovereign rings, big chunky things which basically acted like knuckle-dusters in a fight. A couple of smacks in the face and it would be a hospital job for stitches.
Suddenly, a huge mob of pissed-up jocks came pouring out of a pub, and honestly, we stood there and pissed ourselves laughing as it looked like we were being confronted by the Bay City Roller's granddads. We pointed at them and started to chant, 'Shang-a-lang ... Shang-a-lang .....'
I don't think there'd been this much tartan in one place since the Battle of Culloden.
Every one of the neanderthals wore Wrangler jackets, baggy jeans, Levi jackets or jeans absolutely festooned in tartan, with fucking tartan scarves or red Aberdeen scarves tied around their wrists. They all had hair like Billy Connolly, many were ginger with huge ginger sidies, many wore tartan berets too. We were convinced we'd passed through a time portal on arrival in Aberdeen and were back in the early / mid 1970s.
There was a brief Mexican stand-off as they stared in disbelief at our casual attire, before shouting homophobic stuff at us, calling up girlies, poofters, shirt-lifters etc etc.
Then it kicked-off as some beer bottles were launched into our mob. We flew at them like Tazmanian Devils. The brave few who stood their ground were overawed within seconds as they were swarmed over, like ants dealing with unfortunate fat insects.
We'd been outnumbered at least two-to-one, but seeing as the Russ Abbott / Jimmie Crankie look-a-likes mostly scarpered when they noticed many Stanleys being introduced, those left were given a fair hiding by us 'girlie casuals.'
Contrary to popular belief, those Stanleys were very rarely 'deployed,' as on this occasion they were a very good deterrent in causing a confronting mob to scarper, but I know of many times where they helped to get someone out of very sticky situation in places like Manchester, London, Middlesbrough, Birmingham ......
Ah, those casual days. Great memories of being 'trend-setters.' Many didn't like it when they saw away fans copying our dress style, but there's a saying, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Casual culture isn’t all about going out and battering people and I love that
80's style is real nice real casual
My local Casuals are just teenagers smoking and wearing ellesse, fila and sergio tacchini
Quite mad how the brands that were big back then for casuals have become mainstream now
Quality video, Eli is a top guy
I could literally binge watch Copa90 all day
Great film Geez, really enjoyed that! (But I can imagine the Aberdeen fans asking, "What about north of the border?!!?")