Aerospace analyst: This is what may have happened to Prigozhin’s plane
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- CNN aerospace analyst Miles O’Brien and Steve Hall, former CIA chief of Russia operations, speak with CNN’s Anderson Cooper about the plane crash that allegedly killed Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin, according to the Russian Federal Air Transport Agency. #CNN #News
Why are people trying to explain this??? It's simple. In Russia, everything falls out windows.
Putin has no reason to kill Prigozhin at this moment because he needs more human resources to defend the West, this plane crash was made by CIA or Ukraine Agent. I'm pretty sure about this
Or gets poisoned from radioactive tea
And meanwhile in the US everybody is om drugs homeless or at the point of going on foodstamps. Might not be long before Americans jump from windows by free will. 🤣 So look in the mirror how your country is holding up creating all the BS.
Building code problem s😂
The window fell too.
Impressive that a whole plane fell out of a window...
😂😂😂
Exactly
Putin prayed and God closed a door, but he opened a window.
Hahahaha!
Full of poison as well
The fact that he flew around leads me to believe he really thought forgiveness was given. He should of known better.
You'd have to be crazy to ride on a plane with that guy.
If Putin thinks you are a threat you fall out of a window. If he knows you're a threat you fall out of the sky.
@@j.pslaym0666 Putin, wanted to be 100% sure . . . lol
🤣🤣😂😂😂
Did Putin wait a while to lull him into a False Sense of Security?
😂😂
Hopefully all cosmonauts are loyal enough, otherwise we might have visuals of the effect of the vacuum of space on an exposed human body... 🤞
I love the way they get aviation experts to point out absurdly obvious things, like "it's not normal for a wing to just fall off a modern aircraft".
Lmao
I know right.
...cut to the video of Wagner's boss idly pushing the 'wing release' button in the cockpit while asking the pilot "What does this one do?".
They are just trying to air plane buffs to be all in because everyone knows that the plane was shot down
Every comment thread such as this, should show you the lack of intelligence in certain people, especially residing in 'Special' 🤪US states and the need to slowly spell it out, for those individuals.
Back in the early 2000s I was in the team that took the first Embraer 145, 175 and 195 operational. In all the years that passed, no colleague said something about the quality of Embraer. 100% sure this was either shot down or had a bomb.
Or no maintenance due to sanctions
@@lvpn0140Let's be real. There's 30+ year old sketchily built and maintained planes still flying today older than that Embraer that have way worse deferred maintenance. Not saying the aircraft was in perfect shape but it's definitely more than suspicious enough to warrant a proper investigation.
Especially when it's an aircraft with a flawless safety record until now. You'd have to be pushing that planes airframe WAY past its design limits for that to ever happen, and even then a mid air stall is still more likely, a wing breaking off mid flight is extremely far fetched and suspicious. Those wings are WAY stronger than they look and can support the weight of a car.
@@2K-Tan "proper investigation" means by the USA and followers? That would create even more suspicion, they like planting drugs
Thank you very much for sharing to the world 🙏😊❤
I'm a 60 year old grandma snd even i knew this was coming.😢
It's not like he's a good person, but obviously Putin continues to take people out.
I'm a 69 yr old grandpa, and i love 69
Exactly!
Damn right ! I knew this was coming last your when I saw him talking on the internet. I'm surprised it took so long .
and how being 60 and a grandma makes your opinion less valid .-.
According to local residents, they heard a loud explosion on the ground, sounded like a missile fired off. Flight data showed the plane was cruising at 28,000 ft, then suddenly shot up to 30,000 ft. before electronic transmission stop. The pilot sensed a missile was targeting the plane, attempted to escape the attack by raising to higher altitude, but was shot down on its way up.
No, the reason the plane shot up was that a fuel tank exploded, similar to TWA flight 800 off of Long Island, did. Nothing to see here. Pay your taxes.
@@ridethepace6005Russian shill spotted
@@ridethepace6005 Alternately, the onboard static system could have been damaged by the explosion and given an erroneous reading. There is no way for a bizjet in cruise at 28K feet to detect or avoid a missile.
The pilot did not try to evade a missile. The tail came off and caused the plane to pitch up rapidly and rip the wing off. The tail section is not with the main fuselage wreckage nor is the wing.
Novachok or radiation tea ☕️ is the go too
It amazes me that there was a person on the ground that filmed this plane crash
Why? It was planned. Where you surprised someone filmed the planes crashing into the Twin Towers? That was planned too.
Population density and mobile phones. What amazes me is that the woman didn't hold the phone still and keep it on the incident.
Perhaps someone was already videoing something else, heard the bang, and just panned over to the plane once they realised what was happening.
@@SloverOfTeuth maybe
Thats one of the advantages of being a dictator. No one questions you and you terminate your opposition on the slightest suspicion of treason. Well done Putin but remember you won't live forever.
There is a quote to the effect that if you take a shot at a king, you'd better not miss. Someone should have told that to Prigozhin. What is amazing to me is that Prigozhin dared to fly in Russian airspace. It was suicidal.
Some believe Prigozhin is in Africa?
Maybe getting on that plane wasn’t his idea?
It's hard to have a good idea when you're either rendered unconscious or bound and gagged as you board the aircraft...
Why did they waste the others on board and 'the aircraft'? Hotel window would have sufficed!@@4thamendment237
He didn't ,iss, he was negotiated to stop, his mistake was believing whatever Putin agreed to he would honor it.
He was killed. You don’t have to be a genius to figure that out.
They made the plane are cyanide
just like eipstein.
You saw him get on the plane? *Anyone* saw him get on the plane?
Damn right…….. he’s alive!
He was shot with a UK depleted uranium bomb
Surely, no one on the planet is surprised by this. I'm surprised Prigozhin lived this long.
You don't think he's sitting on his private island sipping pina coladas right now?
This wasn't a regular crash. This was a "Special Rapid Grounding Operation".
It was mechanical failure… after it was hit by a missile…it failed mechanically…
😢😂😅😮
Vulcan logic!
You have a future with Pravda! 😉
The same way that defenestration is "glass fatigue" after said glass has been hit by a human body...
Pilot error... He got on the same plane as Prigozhin.
I think Putin's aim was for Prigozhin to suffer many seconds of terror, rather than a swift bullet to the head or a fall out a window.
The Legacy 600 has a rear baggage compartment accessible from inside the cabin at the rear bulkhead. It's probably a bomb inside a bag, hence the separation of the tail section.
Very good evaluation and presentation.
Obviously pilot error as he should have stayed on the ground.
He was shot with a UK depleted uranium bomb
He fell from far higher than any prior oligarch. A world record has been set.
Heights over poison now for the fascist Putin.
And he really stuck the landing.
@@louietuna8091😂❤
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Prigozjin died of natural causes.
Putin had cameras on that plane. Watched Prigozhin scream for his life all the way down. Mission Important stuff.
You're going to tell me a military leader has no parachutes on a private plane? This was an attack on the plane and everyone was killed before they had a chance to get off with parachutes.
May their souls rest in peace ❤️
🐷 💩
This type of aircraft, and is extremely robust. It has an exemplary safety record, and has even safely landed after midair collisions. It is known as extremely safe. After decades in service these are the first fatalities.
Putin-FSb-Assasinations--enemies.
Anything is possible. Drinking tea in England or Walking in a park in france
you had me at the beginning but you lost me at mid air collisions lol
Im going to just say FALSE
@@shawnio Aéreos Flight 1907 collided with an embraer legacy 600. The 600 wing tip cut the Aéreos 737 wing off resulting in a midair break up and 154 fatalities. The 600 landed with no passenger injuries.
1961 Lincoln Continental Presidential Limousine was safe too
Clearly the plane innocently fell out of a window.
after a long illness.
..and after having a cup of tea
@anone-mouse2176 please do enlighten us how a jet that has a wingspan of nearly 70 feet and weights a little more than 30,000 lbs can "innocently fall out a window." 🙄
Onto bullets with poison
Please do enlighten us where you think you might have lost your sense of humour or if you've ever had one to begin with. @@mjc11a
What does not make sense is the stupidity of Prigozhin to have his entire top brass on the one airplane given the threat he must have been under. The entire leadership of Wagner was wiped out also because no one thought it might not be a good idea to all fly together in the one target.
Breaking news is that Prigozhin was not on the plane at that time it was shot down... he'd earlier fallen out of a window that was left open.
Or he's on his private Island right now
In his position, I would have faked my own death.
One report said 8 bodies were recovered so possibly progohzin an the other Wagner commander were tipped off
There are reports that another airplane owned by Prigozjin, was landed at one of the airports around the same time and two people got out from it, so I wouldnt be surprised that one of them is Prigozjin himself.
@@tatyanahickman yes I saw there was a second plane that turned back when the other was shot down but they didn't let it land in Moscow I believe it landed in st Petersburg but I may be wrong
The irony of Biden answering this question 😂😂😂until you ask about Hunter than logic f.cks off and he walks away saying no comment.
You never know.
Sometimes a window to fall out of is just not high enough to make a point 😂
No, the windows in that aircraft didn't open at altitude, so Putin poked a hole in it.
Apparently Prigozhin was the only one on the planet that was surprised that Putin would do something like this.
As an Aerospjace analyst, I can confirm what you saw in the video is the same as what I saw.
My condolences to any animals that may have been scared or harmed during the “falling to earth” of Prigozhins plane 😊
what about pilot?
@@tocreatee3585 dont worry it was on autopilot.
Animals beware😮😮😮😮
If they knew who was on the plane, why would they get on.
They knew who they were flying, they would have known the risks involved, being associated with a coup leader. I know they have to work, but there was zero chance of Putin not seeking to take out all the heads of Wagner at once.
@@tocreatee3585
Instead of a window, he fell.out of the sky.
He was shot with a himars missile
Video captures missile intercepting plane. Media: "How could this have happened!?"
Why was there a camera focussed on this plane from the bekginning ?
Next time there is a rebellion someone is going to fall from a spaceship.
It was shot down by a missile, you can see the trail of the missile left behind.
With BRICS meeting on here in SA I heard a radio report about it being shot down but that needs confirmation. Apparently P made a statement but I didn't catch it. Either way he was a dead man walking. The collateral damage and deaths are horrific though!
What are the ensignia and numbers on the video?
I've looked at the video a number of times and still not sure if the wings are still there and the tail is missing or part of a wing is gone. waiting for some news service with better capabilities to make a more detailed examination.
People just don't end falling out of windows without help. Aircraft just don't disintegrate in level flight without help. Sounds about right.
In light of Prigozhin's treachery, having him fall out of a window wouldn't do. Putin probably wanted something special and novel never done before to send a message to anyone who would cross him.
The Russian airmen got blown out of the sky, so he was blown out of the sky.
Maybe a drone hit the plane, you known whoever paid him lost millions of dollars. That guy or government may have taken him out.
Sad for the pilot and crew.
Pilot and crew probably taking a break from bombing orphanages in Ukraine. *Sorry-not-sorry*
nah, they worked for a murderer and a war criminal
@@dexagalapagosAll of us do it -our taxes finance the wars our governments do and finance.
@@dexagalapagos So does a lot of people if you are aware of it or not.
Lol😂
Quite possibly and air to air missile. Another aircraft was nearby at the time.
The firefighters were not even trying to put the fire out..
On the way down he's probably like Fk mf got me
Prigozhin should have pushed on two months ago when he was in a better position, not much you can do falling from the sky at 8,000 fpm.😬
Why was the camera ready to snap the picture at the same moment the plane flew by?
There is another aircraft visible just above the falling Embraer after the initial explosion events. It's rather large and not falling. Jet engine noise evident.
What is obvious to me is this fact. The person making the video heard/saw something that drew their attention to the plane. There was a missile or an explosion. Duh!
I think these was stage managed by kremline
The very start of the video - which has been cut out - clearly showed an explosive cloud where the plane had been, before falling out of the sky.
I'll bet Trump saw this report and said "That Putin is so lucky. He can just kill anyone he wants. I wish I could do that."
He absolutely did
#OhSnap.
He got epstein killed. You can guarantee 100% that was turdump. Happened right after he became leader. Probably got some pointer from his secret meetings with putler.
You spelled Brandon wrong.
Just like hitlary I guess
Rest in Pieces.
There's a video of the missing wing and the landing gear tyres are intact and there's no signs of explosion like it was previously mentioned.(the paint is intact, and there are no scorch marks).
Live by the sword, die by the sword. He was a viscous brute. No sympathy.
Yeah this guy was a brutal thuggish butcher, may he burn in hell forever.
what do you have any sympathy for?
@@lashlarue7924 for you. And for many, he was a hero
Progozhin was a real representation of the devil on earth. Am sure even right now in hell Satan is restless .
@@georgeikinya2779 just a victim of propaganda. Prigogine was one of the few who achieved great success at the frontline
I feel bad for the others on the plane….. poor souls..
Why? Live by the sword Die by the sword. They were paid killers.
All Wagner employees. Even the pilot and flight attendant.
@@danthomas6470 They had to die. They knew too much and turned on their government. Change in upper management that’s all.
Like the Nazi Utkin? He was a monster!
@@Bildgesmythe Thank you. Those people would kill you and your family to make a buck the fly off in their private jets back to Russia where they are protected by their government. Murderers killed by a murderer and these idiots feel sorry for them. They killed them because they knew too much and turned on their government Putin.
People falling from windows and now planes falling out of the sky. That Russian gravity is a hell of a thing! 🤔
Until I see the body I won't believe he's on the plane and this isn't a ruse . . .
It would certainly be a very effective way to fake your own death... which for a guy like Pregozhin has it's advantages.
We just don't know. And we may never know.
I think it unlikely that Putin would have ordered this during the BRICS conference when he is trying to sway other world leaders, but you never know.
I also think it is very unlikely Pregozhin would have mouthed off like that on TV about Gerasimov and Shoigu without the consent of Putin. And it is a near certainty he would not have flown over Russian airspace if he had fallen out with his former pal Putin.
As Kim Jong Un has shown, the US govt and media is pretty easy to troll... time will tell if somebody who looks quite a bit like YP shows up on TV months or years after we were told they were killed in a horrific way.
It’s gonna looks like a busted up burnt steak……….
Whether it was a window plane or a missile we knew he’d be falling from the sky one way or another. Putin had him marked.
You’re CNN BRAINWASHED BOT
Putin has no reason to kill Prigozhin at this moment because he needs more human resources to defend the West, this plane crash was made by CIA or Ukraine Agent. I'm pretty sure about this
This is one of the reasons, why the world's best-known KGB agent still is in action and alive. His name is Tzar Putin.
Correct. It fell out of a window and an FSB officer was waiting at the bottom to make sure everyone on board got a mercy bullet to the head.@@grayhand860
zelenskyy did it...
"Trust us, we will investigate ourselves to determine what, if anything, went wrong."
Hmmmm, sounds vaguely familiar... 🤔
There are investigators like Medusa, Novaya gazeta, Bellincat. Not everyone and everything belongs to Russians government.
They properly removed the black box and this case considers to be closed.
Thanks for real news and not propaganda.
Must have been thoroughly terrifying inside the falling aircraft. Also if there's one person crazy enough to fake their death in this manner, its this guy.
In his position I would think my only course was to fake death and go into hiding.
Could he fake death in Putin's Russia? Putin would know immediately. If Putin didn't do it, most certainly he is thinking now in *seriously* confirming Prigozhin's death. If the official media say Prigozhin is dead, you bet he is.
its fun to think of all the possibilities. maybe its all a setup and prigozhin tunnels into trumps jail cell
Well what does it cost to stage this? Money, so cheap
@@kayongochristopherii3146 And the lives of ten people. With relatives, friends and lovers, who may be interested in revenge.
Staging one's death while killing so many is not quite smart.
I'm struck by how easy it seems to knock a plane out of the sky at 28K'.
In that vein, does Putin fly anywhere ever?
He only travels via his private train.
He was supposed to fly into South Africa for the BRICS summit a few days ago.
I'd actually imagine the United States doing this to him.
But then in the end he chose to attend the summit virtually.
The South African president, Ranaphosa, would later explain that arresting him according to the Interpol arrest warrant would amount to declaring a war against Russia by South Africa. It was such an uneasy pretext.
For how long, though, I wonder would he hole up in his hermit crab house.
He has a Private Bullet proof secured Train. Harder to track.
Putin has probably eliminated a rival and 111 innocent people. How convenient.
Civilian plane, defenceless? No match for a missile.
Pilot: Would you like a window seat Mr Prigozhin?
Prigozhin: Hell yeah, it's not like you can fall out of an airplane window [Belly laugh]
...
20 minutes later ... Airplane window falls out out of the sky with Prigozhin behind it.
Maybe Embraers lose wings and tails only when flying over Russia. Just like the Russian windows seem to be very unsafe; people fall out of them all the time.
I think we know enough about what happened to the plane. (Cough, cough.)
On social media there is a piece of video prior to what you are showing. there are hallmarks of a missle attack visable
Camera personnel knows something
I'm sure they'll find Prigozhin DNA in the charred debris.
Pregozhin's probably permanently retired sitting by a lake in the Urals beside a small cottage.
Exactly. All looks like BS, then is, especially there
Sadly someone died to carry the story if that's the case.
No dacha for Yuri
@@JTSunriseMusic😂
Unreal. Conspiracy buffs who believe every story as long as it's the exact opposite of accrued facts from accredited journalists - ones who are unbiased with impeccable credentials. They do exist.
If I were prigozhin, I would test the water b4 I drink. Take a chute with me, b4 boarding.
There were two pilots and one stewardess, poor people, but to Putin, they were just collateral damage. If I saw Prigozhin's name on the passenger list, I would refuse to board for sure!
It was his private jet. They knew who they were working for.
What's 3 more, already lost 284,000 Russians in the conflict. 😞
The stewardess was one of prigozhin's personal attaches. Also a mercenary.
He died in the plane crash because there wasn't any nearby windows that he could fall out of.
"Resting"....hope he is doing it in peace at least.... RIP Prigozjin!
I've seen another video where they show the missile trail after it hits the plane🚀✈
What a genius - “its coming down fast”
One CNN commentator actually used the phrase, '... the demise of the plane.'
Special Restructuring Operation, Brilliant, Genius.
I think it was an air to air missle
Falling from sky, not from a stair or window, how beautiful that a hero's send off can be.
He was shot with a US cluster bomb
A large Explosion at altitude would insure death, but a small bomb, causing structural defect would ensure that the plane fell out of the sky but more importantly that its occupants ie. Prigozin knew that they were headed towards their death. That’s what make me feel this was certainly done by Putin.
More like, they tried to put in a large bomb, but 2/3rds of explosive sold on the black market for vodka, then the remaining 1/3 works "not great, not terrible".
You're thinking way too deeply about this and attributing motives to places where there may not be any. Occam's razor says that the simplest explanation is often the correct explanation.
The small explosion is due to an anti-air missile. Anti-aircraft missiles must travel at supersonic speeds in order to successfully intercept an enemy aircraft. Due to this requirement, the payloads these missiles can carry are generally extremely limited in size. This would be terrible for say an artillery shell (where explosion size matters), but against aircraft (which are mostly made of aluminium/composites), you only need a small explosion to spread shrapnel in the air to bring down a plane.
There are already preliminary reports that say the fuselage was littered with shrapnel holes, which are typical for anti-air missiles.
Putin always acts like he is so tough maybe the answer is to stage a public scene thst shows him as the true coward that we all know him to be.
@@raider968 Lol modern air to air missiles carry several kilos (10+) worth of TNT. It would obliterate an unarmored civilian private jet. Not to mention S300 or S400 with are as large as the plane itself
@@ayugoslav5554 You're saying that as if that's a large payload lol.
The standard BUK missile (the most common Russian air defence system, hence probably used here) has a payload of 19kg.
For comparison, the HIMARS GMLRS rocket carries a payload of 95 - 120kg (depending on the warhead). Himars payloads are considered quite standard, and Ukraine is pushing for more powerful weapons like the JDAM which can up 900kg of explosives.
The point of my comment was to point out that AA missiles generally have small payloads and rely on shrapnel as opposed to a big explosion.
Not if, but when.
It is so rare that a plane loses a wing. It can only happen if there is structural failure and/or outside intervention. Take your pic?
Love the way the planes burning while the fire brigade just stand there.
No point in wasting water. 😂
Presidential orders
Funeral pyre.
Soon as he walked in I'm jump out 😂
thats no missile strike.. ; thats a small exposive designed to separate vital flight control surface from the aircraft.
what a coincidence!
very surprised he didn't just "fall out of a window!"
It was hit with a missile.... Putin was just waiting for right time... Its how he does things in Russia.
Wouldn’t it be a lot cheaper and less troublesome to just have him accidentally fall off a window.
Hes done that too many times already. He wanted something new. What does he care about the plane.
In this case no. 10 "birds" with one missile.
Nope.. Pretty expensive to have a window at 3000 ft... And tbh, in terms of international security missions, this wouldn't have cost much... A successfully detonated home-made bomb can disable an aircraft in flight.
People are focusing on Prigozhin, but the plane is also alleged to have been carrying Dmitry Utkin -- callsign Wagner, the guy the company was named after -- and Wagner's head of security. It's harder to get three people to fall out of a window at the same time.
Excellent reporting CNN. I support this American journalism.
Crashes have happened with Embrayer aircrafts last one in Brazil
Airport security cameras should have him on video if he indeed took that plane. Even a private plane you should be on camera, no? Also, who would be flying with him? How crass do you have to be to take him out with other innocent people?
Crass? Are we talking about putler the lunatic? Anyone in close proximity to his enemy, is a target not thought about.
Casualties of war
No problem in Russia.
The other passengers on the plane are alleged to be: Dmitri Utkin the guy whose callsign Wagner was named after; Valery Chekalov, Wagner's head of security; two other Wagner officers; and two of Prigozhin's bodyguards. None of them can be called "innocent". It's unclear whether the pilots were involved in Wagner or were supplied by an air services company; I'll concede that the cabin attendant was unlikely to have been involved in Wagner's general activities.
Well putin has only killed over 100,000 people. 10 people on a plane is peanuts
He was shot down by a missile.
It isn't smoke trailing behind but fuel.
As a USMC Aviation Maintenance Officer, certified Airframe & Powerplant mechanic, and Boeing engineer I can tell you this aircraft was shot down. In the very first part of the video you can see to the left side of the screen a partial missile trail. And in the same frame you can see the aircraft falling straight down while making slow spirals due to damaged/missing aerodynamic surfaces. Most likely the tail section is gone due to an infrared seeking missile hitting the aircraft in the tail section area where the engines are generating the strongest IR signature. Maybe the Wagner mercs will now join Ukraine as retaliation for their boss being murdered...
it's not a trail, it's the site of the explosion.
3 major current versions
1. Putin's revenge, low probability. Too public, loud and complex. Shoot down a plane over the territory of the Russian Federation? too many questions. I think Prigozhin would simply disappear into Africa or die of a heart attack if Putin had such a goal.
2. The saboteurs are Ukrainians, a significant probability - about a month ago they voiced Prigozhin as the target of their sabotage squads.
3. Performance, Prigozhin has already died in a plane crash in 2019. This is indirectly confirmed by Prigozhin's second plane - circling over Moscow after the explosion and then landing either in Moscow or St. Petersburg after landing - passengers know absolutely nothing about it.
Almost certainly. But we still don't know by whom and whether Preghozin was actually on it. We may never know.
😊
You can never make deals with the devil!
This news is a refreshing break from the constant and monotonous updates on the Trump saga
"Raise your hand if any of this surprises you.
How come nobody is raising their hand?..."
It was an accident.
Prigozin's plane fell out of a window.
Purely an accident.
What’s to analyze?… it was Putin
I'm surprised he made it alive this long. RIP dude...
Actually l think he did it alot sooner than expected
RIP??? This guy is a murderer and a rapist. He can go to hell
Many are hoping that he is not resting in peace.
He will never rest in peace
He's probably haunting the generals for the ammunition still.
Firefighters were in no rush at all. They were making sure he was chicharrones crispy.
What is that watermark over the video?
Prigozhin thought he could just come and go and move around freely. That was a bit naive. Also, if you’re going for mutiny to replace the president, don’t use a bullhorn to announce it. Another sign that he was naive.
Prig's guard was down as he just returned from a trip to Africa - so mind is still in Africa and forgot what could happen in Russia.
He never went to mutiny to replace the president. Stick to facts, not to theories and fantasy
@@lvpn0140 maybe you should learn to google a bit. And don’t lecture people when you know squad about facts rookie.