Chevy MYSTERY Misfire - Part1 ('98 K2500 Labor Day Special)

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  • čas přidán 3. 09. 2021
  • Just another Chevy truck, just another misfire...right? Not so fast!
    There is more lurking under the hood on this 1998 Chevy K1500 than just a bad spark plug....
    Took a while to nail this one!
    Repairs coming up in Part 2 :)
    Enjoy, and Happy Labor Day!
    Ivan
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Komentáře • 290

  • @AP9311
    @AP9311 Před 2 lety +9

    Lol Ivan, sounds all to common problem!! Had that exact same issue with my suburban! I bought mahle intake gaskets instead of felpro as they're more solid built. I had pcv issues with high idle. I indeed replaced the pcv with oem. Did not fix it, found out that i was getting to much vacuum in the crankcase, the gaskets were bad, as the water jackets clogging up. Did full flush, fresh gaskets really cleaned the surfaces, never had a problem since. 260,000 and still going! They're really well built, solid motor if well taken care of.

  • @docfeelgood111
    @docfeelgood111 Před 2 lety +26

    The reason it smoothed out under load is because a vacuum leak doesn't have as much of an effect then because you're adding fuel to compensate for unmetered air coming in through the intake leak. Then the air fuel ratio more closely matches what it should be. Great video I'm glad to see technicians doing a proper diagnosis instead of throwing parts at it.

    • @iamblaineful
      @iamblaineful Před 2 lety

      Most of the vacuum is made at idle, not at higher RPMs. The MAF was also reading way off at idle, 9.6g/s should be closer to 6.8g/s, so that left valve cover vent tube into the intake before the throttle body was clearly distorting it at well. The MAF is before the vacuum tub.

    • @mentaldemise
      @mentaldemise Před 2 lety

      Vacuum drops to near 0 at WOT doesn't it? That's what "vacuum reserves" are for(as I understand it)

    • @colejensen5812
      @colejensen5812 Před 2 lety +1

      That is not completely accurate. Manifold pressure increases to near atmospheric pressure as you open the throttle blade. The pressure differential between atmosphere and the intake manifold is less thus air does not travel through
      the leak point under load.

  • @metoon3092
    @metoon3092 Před 2 lety +13

    Very cool diagnostics ! Old Chey's never die, they just get a bit of Russian help on occasion ! Listen closely to the audio in this video. Shhhh, listen,... You can hear Bob Seger singing......

  • @scotttucker4075
    @scotttucker4075 Před 2 lety +6

    That's a a good diagnostic boy ,,, truck is probably older than he is,, we had a lot of trouble with those intake gaskets leaking on those engines normally coolant haven't seen one with vacuum that's a good catch,, great job

  • @rrmech11
    @rrmech11 Před 2 lety +4

    Sweet Diag. Ivan. Love when you do are great country holiday specials. Hope you and your family have a wonderful labor day. Say hello to your brother in my home state in Indiana for me. My friend and I just got the 1986 kawasaki 900 Eliminator running. Had a coolant leak. All is well now. 👍👍

  • @roxanneabbott8424
    @roxanneabbott8424 Před 2 lety +2

    Looking for part 2 to come!! Great diag Ivan!

  • @akhtarkh
    @akhtarkh Před 2 lety +11

    A little schematic diagram showing PCV valve, idle air valve etc would help in understanding the issue. Thanks as always

  • @WatchWesWork
    @WatchWesWork Před 2 lety +31

    Interesting failure mode! Normally they just leak coolant everywhere...

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +5

      Lol! Yeah very weird 😅

    • @user-ee1ki5lz5e
      @user-ee1ki5lz5e Před 2 lety +1

      Hi Wes Great to see you here, how long you've been watchin russian repair videos?

    • @mjmcomputers
      @mjmcomputers Před 2 lety +2

      Yep these are notorious for sending coolant into the engine. I’ve heard a lot of 5.0 and 5.7 vortecs knocking from the coolant oil sludge taking the bearings out.

    • @wildman1137
      @wildman1137 Před 2 lety +2

      @@mjmcomputers
      That's called a lack of maintenance. In other words, neglect. Not a vehicle fault.

    • @mjmcomputers
      @mjmcomputers Před 2 lety

      @@wildman1137 bad design on the original intake gaskets on these. They normally fail at under 100k.

  • @BustedtoBuilt
    @BustedtoBuilt Před 2 lety +3

    Nice work! Love watching your videos. Keep it up!

  • @richard1835
    @richard1835 Před 2 lety +11

    I try my best to stay in tuned to PHAD because its a learning experience and you can never stop learning or seeing a new way around a problem. This guy is experienced enough to earn my respect.

  • @Mr2004MCSS
    @Mr2004MCSS Před 2 lety +1

    Great video. I've owned a 98 K1500 with this engine since new and I'm on my third intake manifold gasket with the last one being replaced at around 75-80,000 miles. There have been three revisions of the intake gasket over the years and my truck has version two. I'm at around 142,000 miles now and so far the intake gasket is still good.
    Years ago I had a high idle situation with this truck and it ended up being the thermostat was stuck open so the truck never warmed up to the correct operating temp and had the idle at high all of the time. New thermostat and idle returned to normal.
    The AC compressors on these trucks are a know issue for leaking and that one is definitely leaking so the owner will be looking at a compressor replacement in the near future. There are one piece case clones out there that are way better than the HT6 that these trucks use. I've been using a Seltec-Valeo compressor on my truck for years and it's still leak free. I also own a 98 K3500 with the 7.4L big block and have replaced it's compressor with a clone as well with no leaking problems.

  • @arsinoeivlostprincess4228

    Excellent! looking forward to pt 2. I caught the vac leak early on only because I watch all yours and fifteen or twenty others others every week for the last five or ten years. But I have little practical exp. Love this stuff but I'm glad I don't have to be doing it. Not a lot of stuff in the bay in the way...Should be interesting. With all the leaking the A/F ratio didn't change that much I guess it could compensate. See what you find.

  • @jeffreyh1297
    @jeffreyh1297 Před 7 měsíci

    Man Thanks for making this video you gave me a lot of pointers I been trying to find out why my 97 chevy had a misfire still at cylinder 8, I already replaced injectors and spark plugs this video really helped

  • @agmc4me
    @agmc4me Před 2 lety +1

    Enjoy your labor day weekend. Can't wait for part 2

  • @sohailrabani
    @sohailrabani Před 2 lety

    Was waiting for new video🤙nice job

  • @TractorWrangler01
    @TractorWrangler01 Před 2 lety

    You're 100% correct. Nice diagnosis. He will get better mileage and more power after you fix that.

  • @circa366
    @circa366 Před 25 dny

    Thanks for a solid diag video. Im no expert but I feel like Im on track now to find the right solution to my issue! Thanks!

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. Před 2 lety +2

    A gross leak indeed. Thanks Ivan!

  • @cameltube-vk7el
    @cameltube-vk7el Před rokem

    nice job. . . . . . . . .I am about to venture through some similar issues, I thank you for sharing bro!!!
    Part two I am in !

  • @lovetolearn5253
    @lovetolearn5253 Před 2 lety

    You had me worried when I seen you giving up on the diag with the compression theory. I actually came across this before so I was thinking intake the whole time. Nice job.

  • @almartin9327
    @almartin9327 Před měsícem

    Good video....he walks you through his diagnosis and at the same time

  • @inothome
    @inothome Před 2 lety +17

    As soon as I saw the high idle and zero IAC it was a vacuum leak. Good to see you didn't go down the low compression rabbit hole. Easy to overthink things sometimes, but back to the basics and it's just a vacuum leak. Hopefully just the gasket like you said and not some cracked intake runner that never happens...... But would make for a good video!

  • @mjmcomputers
    @mjmcomputers Před 2 lety +13

    The Intake gaskets are notorious for going bad on those. There are premium updated gaskets that hold up better. Make sure the manifold isn’t warped as well.

    • @williamwhite9767
      @williamwhite9767 Před 2 lety +3

      I never had an issue with intake gaskets. I think the problem arises when the mechanic isn't careful enough setting the intake and displaces a gasket. I used shellac to hold them in place and put a dab of sealant on the joints and very carefully set the intake down.

    • @MagicMike007
      @MagicMike007 Před 8 měsíci

      I’ve had five of these trucks and every one of them had to have the intake gaskets replaced between 100-120k miles. Piss poor gaskets. The new upgraded gaskets was the fix.

  • @here_to_watch2115
    @here_to_watch2115 Před měsícem

    Great video

  • @billziegmond4943
    @billziegmond4943 Před 2 lety +3

    As soon as I found that much vacuum out would come the Avoca Smoka! LOL

  • @kdmq
    @kdmq Před 2 lety +18

    I think the intake manifold gasket makes sense cause cyl 7 was misfiring a bit as well as 5 and they are neighbouring cylinders. I am surprised you never mentioned cyl 7 misfiring. I am excited for part 2 cause I am wondering if the intake gasket is literally just another red herring lol, but the crankcase was under abnormally high vacuum for sure.

  • @ecaparts
    @ecaparts Před 2 lety +15

    Ahhh, you heard me screaming at my phone. Intake gaskets!! Misfire worst at idle (high vacuum - throttle plate closed) the excess air creates an extremely lean condition in cylinder #5 with little to no contribution. However with a MAF vehicle, I would expect lean codes on both banks. But considering the age of this thing it doesn’t surprise me, doesn’t even set misfire codes! Also good find with the PCV valve. Can’t wait to see the Russian repair in part 2…

    • @TractorWrangler01
      @TractorWrangler01 Před 2 lety

      Haha! Me to! We must have been making a hell of a racket.

    • @iamblaineful
      @iamblaineful Před 2 lety +1

      MAF was reading 9.6 to 10.1 at idle, way too high. If the computer was following it, to maintain stoichiometric, it would be adding fuel. It should be 6.3 to 6.8g/s on that rig. Remember, it's got the old skool O2 sensors... That valve cover tube goes into the intake between the MAF and the throttle body likely tricking it by pulling more air into the crankcase at idle than would normally get by the idle circuit, causing the higher reading in MAF.

    • @RG-cd3uf
      @RG-cd3uf Před rokem +1

      Faulty fuel pressure regulator will bleed into cylinder 5 on these spider injection sbc engines and cause this #5 misfire. By the look of that plug.. I'd say it's possible

    • @jamesm568
      @jamesm568 Před rokem

      ​@@RG-cd3uf or cause an intake backfire and blowout the upper intake seal or crack the upper intake manifold.

  • @lawsautomotive108
    @lawsautomotive108 Před rokem

    Hey man, I was prompted to check this video out. You're pretty decent guy. You also know how to diagnose. Good video!

  • @yomomma9070
    @yomomma9070 Před 2 lety +2

    Ivan, the HR6 compressor on this engine is notorious for leaking freon. And from the looks of this one it is too. Someone may have recently recharged it.

  • @dans_Learning_Curve
    @dans_Learning_Curve Před 2 lety +10

    Great find!
    The customer reported no AC. That's one thing they know that isn't working because they're *HOT!*
    I have a feeling that the clutch gap is getting too wide and the clutch isn't closing all of the time. Saw this on my '03 Forester.
    Try removing a shim on the clutch to close the gap. The other solution would be to replace the clutch or compressor.

    • @GhettoWagon
      @GhettoWagon Před 2 lety +3

      Cant remove a shim no shims on these you just get the GM compressor hub/ clutch tool and push the clutch fitment a little tighter. These compressors are not good. Alot of case leaks. Now all the replacements are china. Every one. even GM. They have some nasty looking compressor on it and a high side cap that looks busted off in the valve

    • @dans_Learning_Curve
      @dans_Learning_Curve Před 2 lety

      @@GhettoWagon thanks for the information!

  • @davidwaskiewicz3289
    @davidwaskiewicz3289 Před 2 lety

    Yup, intake leaking under manifold, fixed a few myself. Same symptoms,took a few to figure out😁

  • @hehunches
    @hehunches Před 2 lety

    this video is ridiculously good looking

  • @somerandomguy3868
    @somerandomguy3868 Před 2 lety +4

    Thought for sure you nailed it with the injector test, my immediate thought was head gasket slight coolent intrusion into 5

    • @Garth2011
      @Garth2011 Před 2 lety +1

      Can you bend a rod starting the engine after injecting fuel into the cylinders with the engine off??

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety

      @@Garth2011 If you dump enough fuel in, yes.

  • @ws2664
    @ws2664 Před 2 lety

    good job Ivan, even though parts will be required, your going to have to bite the bullitt and put them in

  • @kota7824
    @kota7824 Před 3 měsíci

    Woke up to Labor Day to this

  • @claytoncoolidge992
    @claytoncoolidge992 Před 2 lety +10

    As soon as you said misfire with no code and high idle code I just shook my head and reached behind the seat of my 95 burban and grabbed the intake gasket set. Its a common issue that many people don't really realize. It usually doesn't manifest with many symptoms on these except a slightly high idle witch most don't really notice a shake at low rpm but when u hammer it everything is perfect and you can see the misfire disappear. It can be frustrating especially if everything is checked out ok and you find a worn out pcv valve or bad vacuum lines and assume that you nailed it. If this engine doesn't use the plastic and rubber o ring style intake gaskets (idr witch year they started using that style but 98 is close to the change) as much as some will reeee about it best long-term solution that I've had great longevity from is to coat both sides of the entire gasket surface with rtv and flush out the dexcool and put green back in it. I do the rtv on the gaskets cause the dexcool causes pitting and I have found that using rtv just around the coolant ports does prevent coolant leaks but it causes the gaskets to blow easier and cause more vacuum leaks. I currently have 3 years and most of 100k miles on the last set I installed. Generally speaking on most any SBC 5 years seems to be the time frame that the intake gaskets seem to start leaking coolant or vacuum or both. The gaskets get hard and brittle and then if you get nice and warm while working it hard by towing heavy wagons or anything like that. Doesn't take much to get a leak at that point. We have had the 88-98 chevy trucks as our farm trucks for 20+ years and it is almost clock work to have to do the intake gaskets on them at 3-5 years always ends up being july-early September during the dog days and ironically right during the heavy hay and haylage season so hauling wagons and getting them nice and warm under heavy load and as soon as I get a break in the fall I swap a new set in before the winter weather sets in.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +6

      Sounds like you have a lot of experience with these trucks Clayton! Which brand of gasket do you prefer?

    • @claytoncoolidge992
      @claytoncoolidge992 Před 2 lety +7

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics felpro. They tend to be what is most commonly stocked. I don't really see much difference between the different brands. Only so much that can be different and if your gonna apply rtv I've honestly cut a cereal box and made a set of gaskets a few times in a pinch on on the side of the road after blowing the coolant port and leaking fast. If you've done it a few times can be changed out in about an hour (atleast I could prior to having 3 discs removed from my lower back now its closer to 2 hours).

    • @Garth2011
      @Garth2011 Před 2 lety +2

      @@claytoncoolidge992 I believe Felpro and Victor are the best choice. they both tend to exceed GM in upgrades and quality most.

    • @jeffreywilsonrubikscubeonb2428
      @jeffreywilsonrubikscubeonb2428 Před 2 lety +3

      @@claytoncoolidge992I was a gm dealer tech for years and I agree. Doesn't matter much which gasket is used if you use rtv to compensate for the pitting. Being in the aftermarket world now for over a decade I find rtv to be the savior on many issues. Early 2000s Toyota's with common timing chain tensioner leaks at right rear of engine bay is a great example. This leaks oil all over power steering pump which commonly gets misdiagnosed as the issue. It's an o ring that fails on tensioner...and even if you replace the tensioner assembly (comes with new o ring) or just the o ring... This will always fail again within 500 to 10 thousand km in my experience. Adding rtv to the o ring has eliminated all comebacks. I like to follow service manual as much as I can until i get tired of comebacks lol. There is one manufacturer out there that I won't mention that if it has a transmission oil pan leak..i get rid of gasket and don't order another...just clean surfaces well and use red Rtv... hasn't let me down since. I've seen the thin cardboard trick with rtv before when I lived in Asia for a while. Works good. Even saw leaking I ejector o rings on heavy equipment fixed with thread ripped off the operators shirt... 😎

    • @claytoncoolidge992
      @claytoncoolidge992 Před 2 lety +3

      @@jeffreywilsonrubikscubeonb2428 lol ikr I'm pretty sure I know exactly the trans pans you are referring to 😁 i totally agree though if I can do a job once for someone and not have to worry about a come back simply because I can supplement the oem and improve upon the improved redesign then im all for it. Been many times that a couple of extra seconds to toss a little rtv on a gasket made all the difference. The best one I've ever pulled off was on a 1953 john deere 60 head gasket I was 16 or 17 so I can't claim that it was skill or knowledge but it was pure genius. Head was perfect except for a very very small chip that was too deep to machine out and the tractor not only had sentimental value to the customer but it was also all completely numbers matching original tractor. After several failures with multiple shops including the dealer I offered to look at it and see if I could find a way to get it to work and seal and stay sealed. I replaced all the head studs and then used one used gasket and one new one and put red rtv in between the 2 gaskets and on both sides of the outer faces and put it together completely disregarded the torque specs and put a 3/4 drive breaker bar with a 5 foot cheater pipe on the end of it and slowly working in the proper pattern but making sure that I started and ended each pass on the stud closest to the bad spot on the head cranked them as tight as I could possibly get them. And then let it set empty for several days. I never filled the coolant till I got the tractor running and warmed up a couple of times dry. When I filled the coolant up there wasn't any sign of leaking till it built up to full pressure in the system and was very very small. So pulled the valve cover and had the customer help me to tighten the bolts while engine was hot and we cranked another half to 3/4 turn out of them. 21 years and its never blown again it will leak a tiny bit if you are working it too hard at full throttle on a hot day but once u see it leaking as long as u back off the throttle a bit it stops leaking and is all fine. Its never leaked coolant into the cylinder since I did them witch was the major problem.. a small occasional external leak is not a problem considering

  • @classicwefi
    @classicwefi Před 2 lety +5

    I like to use the felpro rubber backed steel intake gaskets on those way better than the flimsy plastic original type.

  • @SonOfNone
    @SonOfNone Před 5 měsíci

    I've been fighting an issue in my '98 Yykon (5.7 vortec) for a couole months. When I bought it, I performed a full tuneup [iridium Spark plugs, wires, cap and rotor- all acdelco, air filter, oil change using Mobil1 high mileage full synthetic, K&N Gold high-flow oil filter]. Started out as hesitation at low idle, then progressed to hesitating and nearly dying unless the engine was cold, then progressed to the same but would even out if the RPM was above 2,000.
    I replaced bank 1 and 2 o2 sensors, no luck. Less than 3k miles after oil change, it was black and smelled of gas. I got to the point of thinking a valve was getting stuck, so I used Lucas full synthetic high mileage oil treatment, ran the engine above 2,000 RPM for several minutes, then noticed the problem was 90% solved- it runs much better, but not entirely perfect. So I presume my diagnosis is correct, and now I gotta dive in to the valve cover and inspect rocker arms and valves. Wish me luck.

  • @kellyd887
    @kellyd887 Před 2 lety

    What I need is a video on an OBD 1 88-95 GMC truck. Been trying to solve the mystery of a dead miss in open loop, that disappears as soon as the coolant temp reaches 40* C. Parts cannon has been fired, reloaded & fired again ! Lol Everything but the charcoal canister has been replaced and I do mean everything. I have no scanners or the knowledge to use them. Could be any thing from the wrong IAC counts to a sticking push rod. Been at this for 2 yrs now, sure wish I had you around for a day I'm sure you'd make short work of it. Love yer video's, love learning from you Bro, keep fighting the good fight my friend ! PS. I smoke tested it. If it is a vacuum leak its not the intake. 94 Yukon by the way

  • @efrainpelaez1246
    @efrainpelaez1246 Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent !!! Thank you.

  • @georgebonney90
    @georgebonney90 Před 2 lety

    Thank you sir 🇺🇸

  • @jamesbruno5896
    @jamesbruno5896 Před 2 lety

    Nice diag Ivan!

  • @Garth2011
    @Garth2011 Před 2 lety +1

    I would add onto the parts list, 8 plugs, a set of ignition wires and a PCV valve for good measure as they are all very old looking and the labor cost would mostly be included with the intake manifold gaskets or be greatly reduced. Spark plugs are cheap enough I wouldn't try to clean them and unless those ignition wires were replaced within 5 years or so, I'd replace them too. I believe the only internal concerns on those 5.7L are the exhaust valve stem seals tend to wear out by 76,000 to 100,000 miles.

  • @leroyconley5647
    @leroyconley5647 Před 2 lety +4

    This engine is known for intake manifold gaskets going bad at 100,000 miles. This is a strong possibility . I have 3000.00 miles on mine and have had to replace this gasket twice

  • @CARRJ142
    @CARRJ142 Před 2 lety

    A great video.

  • @farmermiyagi1338
    @farmermiyagi1338 Před 2 lety +2

    I always, ALWAYS check for intake problems on these engines. Vacuum in the crankcase is a dead giveaway.

  • @paulstandaert5709
    @paulstandaert5709 Před 2 lety

    The first thing that came to mind were those plastic intake manifold gaskets. They will also tend to cause coolant loss and a rise in oil level.

  • @JSchrumm
    @JSchrumm Před 2 lety +2

    Magical truck runs on no fuel, I want one.

  • @frankjohn4302
    @frankjohn4302 Před 2 lety

    Good job iac was compensating for vacuum leak

  • @kerryb2689
    @kerryb2689 Před 2 lety

    I recently had an intermittent misfire at idle #6...was worst no load @1400 rpm, fine under load. Opened hood while running & #6 spark plug was shaking (it was loose). Tightened plug and now it's ok. Hard to believe that small of a vacuum leak caused a misfire, but it was close to the spark.

  • @shanegoff217
    @shanegoff217 Před 5 měsíci

    I had a Silverado once that had fuel, spark, good compression but constant misfire on #2... had the converters checked...one of them on that bank was restricted

  • @johnclamshellsp1969
    @johnclamshellsp1969 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video. Had the same issue years ago on my 99 Tahoe. Please install the Vortec marine version intake gasket, made of Stainless steel and rubber seals.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +1

      That's a great idea!

    • @johnclamshellsp1969
      @johnclamshellsp1969 Před 2 lety +2

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics For the 1996 and later 5.7 Vortec/Mercruiser (all the same). Should be Felpro FEL-PRO MS 98000 intake set. Also, a must replace, Fel-Pro ES72224 Intake Manifold Bolt Set, they will be corroded to death. Another fail on rare occasions is the upper plenum, clean and look for cracks. If the vacuum leak issue is not fixed soon, the engine will become an internal water pump and suck all coolant into the block/pan areas. The engine will quickly overheat and crack the heads. I know this well, it happened to me.
      Take care
      John A 60107

  • @artemdevo3161
    @artemdevo3161 Před 2 lety

    Saw the RPM too high code and instantly thought of a vacuum leak in my mind haha

  • @billdursa4724
    @billdursa4724 Před 2 lety

    My initial thought was vacuum leak. I've had similar experience on a 4.3 Vortec.

  • @MrXyzasdf
    @MrXyzasdf Před 2 lety +4

    Ivan, when you had the #5 spark plug out, how much more difficult would it have been to run a quick compression test on that cylinder?

  • @crabcake43011
    @crabcake43011 Před 2 lety

    Nice shout out to Eric O.!👍

  • @williamwhite9767
    @williamwhite9767 Před 2 lety

    I had 3 GM Goodwrench 350 V8s installed in my 86SS Monte Carlo. They would burn oil after a few thousand miles, all 3 of them. Two were replaced under warranty. Now that I have had a few years to think about it, I'm sure using RTV for an intake gasket was the problem and it was sucking oil from the lifter valley into the cylinders. I removed/replaced chevy V8 intake manifolds many times using gaskets and I never had an issue using gaskets. Ford uses it on the diff covers. I used it once and it leaked. I hate RTV when used as a gasket.

  • @watsisbuttndo829
    @watsisbuttndo829 Před 2 lety +3

    Strange its not absolutely smokescreening the neighborhood with a vacuum leak like that.

  • @danielholtzapple7124
    @danielholtzapple7124 Před 2 lety

    That's the same thing my 95 gmc sierra 2500 5.7 did. Every 2 months I had to clean number 1 cylinder plug. It would completely fill the gap and the area around the electrode. I'd keep a new plug in glove box. Strangest thing was #1 would get fouled like that and #5 was white at tip. I don't care those gm 350s are monster tanks. Just got another one last month. Has a slight miss but that truck hauls weight and don't complain. The first 1 I bought I could pull 3 zero turns around up hills and all.

  • @bertvisser6423
    @bertvisser6423 Před 2 lety

    96-99 notorious for defective intake gaskets,you will find the hard plastic broken around the silicone. They love leaking coolant into engine there too and wreck rod bearrings on #2

  • @ricktrent275
    @ricktrent275 Před 3 měsíci

    I got a 97, just thought i'd check it out for future ref. All's ok now.

  • @immrfixit1260
    @immrfixit1260 Před 2 lety

    Proper diag i thought you were going to leave it that, great job.What about ac concern? That compressor sure had alot of dye on it looks like it has leaking seals common on those.

  • @lylecheckeye6300
    @lylecheckeye6300 Před 2 lety

    Wonder if a smoke test would pinpoint the issue better ?? or the scanner danner method of water bottle with a tiny hole and spray around the area and listen for leak ? Great show

  • @pantherplatform
    @pantherplatform Před 2 lety

    Those engines... I've suffered thru a few misfire diags on those. At least it's OBD2.

  • @satoruo2753
    @satoruo2753 Před 2 lety

    Saw the thumbnail and instantly thought "vortec injector failure"!

  • @moviemania1137
    @moviemania1137 Před 2 lety +8

    "Mystery misfire"
    ETCG: I'll just flush the engine with this caustic chemical.
    Also ETCG: The Odyssey engine blew up! I have the worst luck. 😂

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +4

      He blew up the engine?? Did he diagnose the misfire? 🤔

    • @billziegmond4943
      @billziegmond4943 Před 2 lety +5

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I watched that video. When he pulled the valve cover. He saw the engine was full of sludge. So he decided to do the engine flush. It was an Odyssey with the VCM system. When it shut down some cylinders. Those cylinders filled with oil and kaboom!

    • @lrdisco2005
      @lrdisco2005 Před 2 lety +1

      @@billziegmond4943 Flushing engines was something us oldies use to do. Modern engines with modern oil not worth the risk as Eric found out.

    • @DavidScheiber
      @DavidScheiber Před 2 lety +2

      You guys didn't even watch all the videos, in the tear-down he discovered that the engine being locking up was caused by lack of oil. The oil pickup was clogged with sludge that he suspected was knocked loose by the oil flush additive. He then went on to say he does not recommend using oil flush additives. I think he even mentioned he does not like the stuff in the video of him using it but he said he would try it.

    • @moviemania1137
      @moviemania1137 Před 2 lety

      @@lrdisco2005 Yep! 😂

  • @simonilett998
    @simonilett998 Před 2 lety +3

    Hey Ivan, definitely a manifold gasket leaking internally, SD has a good case study on it. I'm guessing the pcv port in the D.side valve cover must also be quite blocked, otherwise I'd expect it would equalise the crankcase vacuum through the pcv port when the pcv valve was removed?🤔

  • @Discretesignals
    @Discretesignals Před 2 lety +1

    Don't ever run the spark plug outside the cylinder like that unless you want to start an engine bay fire!

  • @wallyg4445
    @wallyg4445 Před 2 lety +1

    There's your problem , lady!! Hmmmm, where have i heard that before??? Lol

  • @derrickodyes1934
    @derrickodyes1934 Před 2 lety

    on intermittant ac usually hi pressure switch on those. They drop out causing ac to shut off

  • @howardiko7156
    @howardiko7156 Před 2 lety

    Harbor Freight has a plug cleaner that works better than any scrapping. All the V8 GM had a oil fouling of the rear plugs due to oil /sludge in rear return holes.

  • @bobbydelamar606
    @bobbydelamar606 Před 2 lety +3

    I just fixed an Expedition with very low idle. So low it was dying. Only codes are P0420, P0430 and P0705. Ended up being just a dirty throttle body.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +1

      NO PARTS REQUIRED :))

    • @bobbydelamar606
      @bobbydelamar606 Před 2 lety +1

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Heck yeah! And thanks to you I'm interested in actually diagnosing. Instead of guessing and fire the parts cannon.

  • @alexg9155
    @alexg9155 Před 2 lety +3

    3) Vacuum leak? That's why it smooths under load. 12 minutes in, let's see 😁
    At 18 minutes, vacuum is still there with PCV blocked off due to a leaky valve cover gasket maybe? Bank with affected cylinder (as there were also a few misses on number 7).
    EDIT: Aah crap, the intake manifold gasket :) Didn't think about the most obvious thing, lol.

    • @joebriano6090
      @joebriano6090 Před 2 lety +1

      No lean code ? What were the fuel trim numbers?

    • @alexg9155
      @alexg9155 Před 2 lety +2

      @@joebriano6090 It didn't set a misfire code either, who knows what kind of strategy the ecu has.

  • @mentaldemise
    @mentaldemise Před 2 lety +1

    Wouldn't the long term fuel trims also be way positive? I had a massive leak around the intake snorkel thing and my fuel trims went down 25% when I sealed it up with RTV.

  • @richard1835
    @richard1835 Před 2 lety +1

    I hate that Spider system. Watch for vacuum leaks as well.

  • @nodieusa
    @nodieusa Před 2 lety

    I believe my 99 Tahoe has the exact same issue and my mechanic just replaced the intake manifold gasket. Wonder if the gasket isn't seated properly. There goes more money (and labor)....

  • @dyizhere
    @dyizhere Před 2 lety +1

    Nice diag! Spray the intake with carb cleaner or brake clean to confirm the intake leak?

  • @julianparrott
    @julianparrott Před 2 lety

    Ivan Maybe its has a diaphragm on the engine breather system. It could be split.

  • @ouch1011
    @ouch1011 Před 2 lety

    If you had put a pressure transducer in there, you would have caught the issue fast (or at least known it wasn’t fuel related). You would have seen abnormally HIGH running compression in that cylinder at idle along with low vacuum on the intake stroke (in the cylinder). You would have also seen it in the fuel trims, which I’m surprised you didn’t seem to look at given you thought it was a bad injector. As others have said, this is a common failure, especially if the gaskets were replaced with cheap ones at some point or if the manifold bolts weren’t torqued properly. Since there are so few bolts holding the manifold to the head on the vortec engines, they tend to suck the gaskets in like that if the gaskets don’t have enough support built into them. It’s not strictly a GM issue either. Toyota had a huge issue with this on the 1ZZ engines and I’ve seen it on Kias, Nissans and Fords as well. Glad you continued to look at it further and found the real problem rather than just sticking with your assumption that it was a compression issue.

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 Před 2 lety

    all classic signs of intake vacuum leak on those engines :)
    on the older TBI engines, the base to manifold gasket always went bad.

  • @derrickodyes1934
    @derrickodyes1934 Před 2 lety

    the misfire counters are there but relaxed on thes hd trucks over 8500 gvwr. If engine is sound almost always the spider even if they flow good

  • @nickloss
    @nickloss Před 2 lety

    sounds like a leaking intake gasket, the reason they don't set a code is they usually seal up after driving a short while and the miss goes away. My 5.3 has a slightly bad gasket and if I let it idle for.a while in the winter It will start detecting a miss, goes away when you drive it.

  • @richard1835
    @richard1835 Před 2 lety

    I knew it because I experienced the same vacuum leak on the V6 w/spider injection? Be careful with that intake system. That vehicle needs some TLC and the right fix.

  • @nct9466
    @nct9466 Před 2 lety

    Question:
    Would short or long term fuel trims not try richen up some seeing 1 cyl lean?
    Wouldn’t the O2 sensor also not command a richer mixture?

  • @rogermerritt6470
    @rogermerritt6470 Před 2 lety

    Very interesting video. I've got a 1999 GMC K1500 Suburban with the 5.7L engine. I'm getting misfires while at stop light and idle is at 600. Also motor shakes sometimes between 1000-1900 RPM. Usually while in overdrive. Recently tried changing the spider injectors with ones made in china, but they here bad and got my money back. I've changed just about every sensor on this Suburban with no luck. Think I'll take the intake manafold off and see if gasket is in place properly.

    • @jonschwartz9669
      @jonschwartz9669 Před 2 lety

      Does your check engine light come on with this misfire?

    • @rogermerritt6470
      @rogermerritt6470 Před 2 lety

      @@jonschwartz9669 No check engine light. I have a code reader and there are no codes stored. When I come to a stop it takes about 5 seconds before symtom shows up. Suspecting a bad fuel injector.

    • @jonschwartz9669
      @jonschwartz9669 Před 2 lety

      @@rogermerritt6470 Try a bottle of recline fuel treatment it has the highest concentration of PEA this is the best carbon cleaning product on the market also a manifold gasket that leaks can cause misfire a weak fuel pump a dirty fuel filter a weak fuel pressure regulator under upper manifold plenum its either fire or fuel

    • @rogermerritt6470
      @rogermerritt6470 Před 2 lety

      @@jonschwartz9669 I have replace the fuel pump, but not the fuel filter. The lines are just so rusty in that area. The engine runs just fine when it's cold. Computer module was swapped out with no change. Very strange problem.

  • @kthwkr
    @kthwkr Před 2 lety +2

    Notice that the gas gauge is sitting on negative empty. Two times in my life I have run a car out of gas only to have the engine get fouled when I put in more gas. Never let a car get that empty. Assume the gas tank is contaminated with gas loving spiders.

    • @Garth2011
      @Garth2011 Před 2 lety

      Not good for electric tank pumps, they overheat without fuel covering them

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety

      Just an intermittent sending unit lol...it's a GM thing!

  • @dogsplantscarsneatstuff176

    Ivan when you do the intake manifold could you show what kind of shape it is in: if it is pitted or worn. Thanks in advance. My intake manifold on my gm 3.8 had some pitting and deep scars at a couple of non cylinder openings. I wonder if it was due to the orange coolant since I use the green now. I usually changed it every 3 years even if the bottle says 5 years /150K.

  • @imnotdon3765
    @imnotdon3765 Před 2 lety +10

    Would Eric have sprayed brake clean in the general area of the suspected leak to see if the idle would change?

    • @Chris-kq7ko
      @Chris-kq7ko Před 2 lety +1

      he would probably pull out the Avoca Smoka

    • @williamwhite9767
      @williamwhite9767 Před 2 lety +4

      It's leaking underneath the inake manifold. A smoker wouldn't tell you anything. Well, maybe when it came out the PCV valve cover hole.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +7

      Where would you spray the brake clean? No external vacuum leaks...

    • @imnotdon3765
      @imnotdon3765 Před 2 lety

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics ahhh. Did t know that!

  • @davide.s.9880
    @davide.s.9880 Před 2 lety +1

    WOW !

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 Před 2 lety +2

    Common problem on these older GM engines. Make sure to use GM gaskets. If I remember right, GM updated that gasket.

  • @canadatransistor
    @canadatransistor Před 2 lety

    Well, i'm not tone deaf in 1 khz door chime frequency. This video saved me a trip to the audiologist... LOL

  • @ScottHenion
    @ScottHenion Před 2 lety +1

    If I were doing an intake gasket, I'd also upgrade the spider injection to the improved one with real injectors. GM makes an upgrade kit that bolts right in. Better mileage and a bit more power. Not expensive compared to having to go in later and fix a popped off or cracked plastic injector tube.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety +4

      "If it ain't broke don't touch it " is my philosophy 😉

    • @noblesavage413
      @noblesavage413 Před 2 lety

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics If it ain't broke, keep fixing it til it is!

    • @scraiga66
      @scraiga66 Před 2 lety

      Also makes engine less finicky about fuel pressure.

  • @Randomgearhead
    @Randomgearhead Před 2 lety

    Check them sticking valves. Seafoam will fix it. Or distributor cap is arcing through another cylinder

  • @davidhollfelder9940
    @davidhollfelder9940 Před rokem

    Hmm .. idle system .. intake leak (use unlit propane torch, point it at suspected leak spots .. RPM will change if propane gets in the intake), compression check .. head gasket checks …😮

  • @2packs4sure
    @2packs4sure Před 2 lety +1

    I would bet that that A/C does need a charge because that compressor is pretty dang oily.

  • @think2cre81
    @think2cre81 Před rokem

    Great videos, sir . I have the same problem right now with my 1997 Silverado 1500 5.7 vortex engine. How much should it cost to replace those intake manifold gaskets? I already replaced the plugs and plug wires and caps and distributor cap and rotor. And checked for exterior vacuum leaks . So I'm down to this exact issue with my number 5 cylinder code . Please if you or anyone else reads this message. What it will cost to replace those intake gaskets. Thank you 😊

  • @kellismith4329
    @kellismith4329 Před 2 lety

    I have had to replace that spider injector in mine before - is there some way you can access the individual injectors to energize without using a scan tol on these trucks ?

  • @stevehei8035
    @stevehei8035 Před 2 lety +3

    Should smoke test the engine to determine where the vacuum leak is.

    • @johnaclark1
      @johnaclark1 Před 2 lety

      If the vacuum leak is internal, where are you expecting to see smoke?

  • @markamcampbell6340
    @markamcampbell6340 Před 2 lety

    remember the k.i.s.s. principle keep it simple, add what you want or feel like.

  • @markfeuerherdt2338
    @markfeuerherdt2338 Před rokem

    What brand besides the Snap On are you using? Thanks.