EP 876 - Has Josh Gibson Made Modern Baseball Cards Relevant?
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- In today’s video we discuss a topic that’s been on my mind of late, the impact of MLB’s incorporation of Negro League statistics on our hobby.
I would love to hear your thoughts on any of the topics touched on in this video! Thanks as always for visiting.
Well done, Shane. You opened a discussion on a very important topic. Still learning and assessing more about the real and potential impact of this decision, both the positives and the negatives. No doubt there will be a significant change in the collecting goals of many hobbyists.
Excellent thoughts and cards Shane! You were definitely ahead of the curve on these pickups!
Great Josh Gibson cards, Shane! I don't know what is happening with card prices these days, but I do enjoy the discussion!⚾
It really is crazy, James! I try to avoid thinking about it as much as possible but sometimes it just creeps into the hobby regardless since I'm obviously trying to get the best prices I can on these cards. It's a crazy, but also fun, time in the hobby for sure!
I don’t think I need to tell you how much I enjoyed this episode! Love the cards, and love the thought provoking discussion even more!
Thank you so much, Rob! I know it's a topic we both can appreciate very much. I'm glad you caught this one and really appreciate the encouragement, my friend!
Gave a video like. I've heard a lot of people talk about this. Really fun to see those Josh Gibson cards. A legend who is finally getting some more attention is great to see.
Thanks, Brian! I don't think he's too expensive now, I think for a long time he just didn't get the love that he deserved. Plus as I said in the video he's an interesting case given that he has legitimately zero playing-era cards. Really appreciate you checking this one out, my friend!
Topps Gilded Josh Gibson will be fantastic!
Oh man I'm SO badly hoping for it, even though I'd likely be outbid over and over trying to actually acquire a copy, LOL - thanks so much for checking this one out!
Very interesting topic Shane. Crazy how his prices have sky rocketed. I think we will definitely see a spike but may come back to earth. I do think you will see more insert sets featuring these types of players from Topps flagship. They will jump on this bandwagon IMO.
Two great points Mike, and I agree with you on both. I think prices will regress, but not to where they were previously, somewhere in the middle most likely. I also think that Topps will start to give us more cards of former Negro Leagues players, I just hope they expand beyond the obvious Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige type guys…
Really like the design of the Allen & Ginters cards.
Yeah they're really classy looking, aren't they? I like that the design is slightly altered year to year, yet is always instantly recognizable as A&G. One of Topps' most successful modern products, for sure. Thanks for checking this one out!
Excellent question to ponder! I hope his cards gain more interest as well as the modern day cards of other negro league HOF players. It would be cool if Topps / Stadium Club came out with a tribute set.
100% agree with you there buddy, I hope it leads to more widespread interest in former Negro Leaguers beyond just Gibson, Paige and Robinson. We will see!
Thought provoking episode, for sure. Appreciate all of your videos.
Thanks so much Graig, I really appreciate the kind words my friend! Ditto! :-)
Great breakdown Shane! Love your thought process on Gibson and the attention some ultra modern post playing days cards could get!
Thanks, Jason! I just think he's an interesting name in the hobby, with his lack of a true "playing era" card forcing people to either think outside their conventional guidelines or else maybe miss having him in their collection at all. Cheers, pal!
your a hobby G, and your AG run is A+
Hahaha, I see what you did there! :-)
Great topic touched on Shane. A lot of vintage speculators and flippers are going hardcore into Josh Gibson. A lot of the prices are jarring. It's like they just discovered who this guy is a couple weeks ago.
It really is crazy, Ed! I'm glad I like so many different areas of the hobby so when things get completely bananas in one I can just focus on something else for a bit until the hype dies down haha!
First yeah boy
Woot!
Shane, what a fantastic episode and what sweet cards! I'm so happy for you, that you were able to scoop up those epic Josh Gibson cards prior to the Gibson flip-nami of 2024! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 Of course, a flip-nami is essentially a tsunami of flippers who come out of the woodwork when they sniff a flip-nami opportunity! 😆 I guess I shouldn't be so flip-pant with my comments! 😆 You pose some great questions! Are modern cards and vintage cards in collecting competition, or can they be in collecting cooperation? Well, you are the master of collecting cooperation, weaving meaningful collecting themes together with glorious cardboard, the sum of which is much greater than the parts! I loved this! Take care, my collecting brother! 😊👊
As usual my friend this comment is EPIC! You know me well, I don't see any need to decide on just one era or one player. But, that's the beauty of the hobby, we can all share the same hobby yet all approach it just a little bit differently. I for one am really glad to have Josh Gibson represented in my collection, even if the cards weren't printed up during his lifetime. Cheers Adam, hope you are enjoying the beach! :-)
Great topic Shane. Love the A&G Gibson and kudos to finding the Bazooka back card.
Personally I think that a new floor has been set for modern Negro League player cards. But, there is a hype right now with the news that will die down after the baseball season is over. Always those trying to take advantage of the recent attention. I know I did it when it was announced that Todd Helton was going into the HoF. I sold a bunch of duplicate cards that I had for a decent return.
I think there will be a few vintage collectors that will jump into the modern cards, but the majority will stay with vintage playing day cards.
Good stuff my friend.😊
Excellent thoughts, Ken, I actually agree with you 100%. While I don't think recent prices will sustain necessarily, I do think a new floor has been set higher than what it's been at traditionally in the past. Really appreciate you checking this one out, and weighing in with a great comment!
Great video…love the ginter Josh Gibson cards. Like Gibson, I would love to see players like Buck Leonard, Leon Day, etc. get their due. I think the interest in these players will grow, as they get featured in video games (mlb the show has a phenomenal story line play mode for these players) and modern card sets. Topps recently came out with special Rickwood field cards of these players. My hope is we get some Topps Gilded cards of some of these stars. Again, great video.
So well said Shawn, and you touched on a few things that have been on my mind for sure. I do have a couple of REALLY nice Buck Leonard cards that I'll be featuring in an upcoming video or two, but I agree that I hope the inclusion of these stats gets folks to look a level deeper than just Gibson, Paige and Jackie, great as those guys were. I have my fingers crossed big time for an inclusion on the Gilded checklist, even though I'd probably be outbid by a country mile trying to actually win one! Cheers, buddy!
Shane, great video and thesis! I definitely don’t consider myself primarily a modern collector, but I have definitely crossed over to get that 2022 Topps Living Josh. I love it for the same reason you like the A&G… it’s at least adjacent to what a Gibson card might have looked like if he had lived and played into his early 40’s. I definitely appreciate the modern period treatment of Gibson and others the best. I imagine we’re not alone!
Well said, Mookie (of course)! It certainly seems we have a lot more company on the Josh Gibson front than we did a couple of months back :-) My hope is that the attention leads to a lot of fans digging deeper into the history here and not just stopping at "Josh Gibson is the new career batting leader". We'll see!
I’m Really curious about this as well. I have been loving this stuff even before the hype luckily. But you have some real awesome ones
In the three weeks since this video I've seen prices recede a little bit as expected, but not as much as you might think. I doubt we'll see them return to pre-stats levels at least not for Gibson. Cheers and thanks for the watch and great comment!
Those are some sweet Josh Gibson cards. I ‘m hoping to pick a few of those up. I found a Josh Gibson 83 diamond king in the dime box. You’re missing out on some neat cards. Interesting topic. Thanks.
Thanks, Kirk! That's awesome that you found the '83 Diamond Kings in a dime box, that's one I'd love to add myself at some point. Really appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers!
Great episode with some really nice cards shown as well! I will be looking to get a few cards eventually, thanks for sharing and have a great day!
Thanks a lot for checking out the Josh Gibson episode, really appreciate it! Hope your week is off to a good start here, cheers!
Great video Shane! I love that A&G image too - it also appears on the ‘06 Bowman Sterling Relic. I respect, but never really understood the ‘era collector.’ Regardless of era, it would drive me nuts to NOT have a Top 100 player represented in my collection 😂
Thank you, Al! Yeah, even though he lacks a proper vintage, playing-era card I don't think there's any way I could stand not having Josh represented in my collection. To each his own, though! By the way, really enjoyed your "short-winded" episode with Graig, that was super fun! Thank you for watching and for the comment!
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I think vintage only collectors will begin to appreciate the modern cards. Too many great images and beautiful cards out there that I don’t see how a true collector could pass them up..especially for someone like Josh Gibson who there aren’t really any options out there but modern. Great cards Shane! I was waiting to see a buyback 😁
Exactly, Hugo! I've actually started to see some of this in action even in my own small circle of vintage collecting friends over the past year, and I love it. As you said, Gibson poses an interesting challenge to "vintage only" collectors, unless they're just content not having him represented in their collection at all, which is fine too. Thanks for checking this one out and for the great comment, buddy!
Its about damn time that those players get their dues !! I am not even mad about Gibson being better than Ty Cobb lol I like the shiny shiny Gibson the most. Its nice and colorful. I do like that Gibson mini a lot ! Wow, you got the market on Gibson's cards. That black border one is sweet looking. Sick hand numbered mini !! That is a good one for sure. I agree, you should get it graded !! I swear, I called that last card as a buy back !!! I totally knew you were going to have one lol I really enjoyed seeing your collection of Gibson. Thanks for sharing !!
This comment was awesome! Thanks so much for checking out the new Josh Gibson cards, Lisa! In no way do the new stats diminish Cobb at all in my mind, still one of the all-time greats! Cheers!
Gibson cards that people wouldn't spend $5 on in early May, people are spending $500 in late May. Fools Gold. Hobby FOMO is hilarious. Methink, if I was you, i'd sell the PSA 10 now and the black and buy them back again in a few years and reacquire them at $5-$50. With those profits now, you especially, could do something spectacular with.
It really is crazy, isn't it? I have considered selling the two PSA 10s, or at least listing them at insanely high BIN with offers available and see if anyone reaches out. Not like I need them graded just grabbed them as second copies because I like that particular card so much. Pricing craziness aside, I love to see Gibson getting so much deserved hobby buzz!
4sure+having that run you have of ginters is truly something, each1, links in a mighty chain that would be tough to break=b.well
Killer episode. You know where I stand 😂 I think that Gibson should be expensive, honestly. Give me all the modern smoke! 💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨
100% with you buddy! It's about time/long overdue! :-)