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Have u met or spoken to most tablighi jamaat people because there are tens of millions all over the world. Don't judge the whole lot because of a few people or small group of people you may have met or heard about.

@@zeidhashim8216 trust me brother.my opinion is not half baked!I've spent 35% of my adult life around Tableegi jamaat . I come from a Tableegi background as well.but unfortunately there's major flaws in their Aqaa'id as well as Ibaadah. They are merely letting emotions dictate their actions.

@wreakhavoc1680 brother will all due respect I've been actively involved in this effort since 1996 and have visited many countries and although I agree with the fact there are some ( mainly south asians) who think they are know it all and have a arrogance about them but that's not because of the effort that's just a general attitude of men from that part of the world. However the vast majority of tablighi brothers are as the shaykh has soo eloquently described. I for one and the brothers i associate with definitely don't think were doing anything greater or more special than the next person.

Which country were you involved in the effort of Dawah and Tableegh?

@@Dynamic_Muslim india, pakistan, Bangladesh, Albania, Kosovo, Germany, France, Guernsey islands, bosnia

He really couldn't have given a better answer, Masha'Allah.

Exactly, the shaykh hafidhahullah is very good but he’s not as educated on this topic as he believes and neither is the owner of this channel

The takfir of deobandis is based on principle and not whims and based on logic and not emotion Insult/denigrarion/disrespect of the Prophet ﷺ is kufr The deos fell into this, so takfir was made. There was no other way around it. It’s a matter of principle. The deos can do taqiyyah all they want or try to slander Imam Ahmed Ridha Khan, the facts will remain facts. Any unbiased person who’s sincere and does proper research will come to the same conclusion.

@@abdullahahmed1251 Well, the passages quoted in order to takfir them are either taken out of context or do not amount to kufr. Go read them yourself instead of relying on someone else.

@@destitutewayfarer2901 Very lame and immature of you to assume that I relied on someone else. I actually have done extensive research on this topic and have read the original statements in their original Urdu. Funnily enough, either you yourself relied on some else for the defense of the statements or perhaps you don’t understand Urdu well enough to see that the statements are clearly kufr. It’s really not rocket science, assuming you know how to read and understand Urdu yourself

@@destitutewayfarer2901 you should repeat your zuhr salah.

@destitutewayfarer2901 nah, they're fully in context, and they do amount to kufr. Worship Allah not the Devbandi elders. I've personally read the passages, and my teacher was originally a Deobandi (old school scholar) we went over them.

@@impae139 apparently asking help only from Allah is a "wahabi position".

Never hasam UL harman is full of lies and distortions

@@FardeenFirdous maybe in ur close minded world

@@zulqarnainmehmoodhanbli1016 name one?

@@impae139 read oroginal tahzeer un nass and then hasamul haramain

@@StealthSpark312 Your advice is not practical It’s not about merely “claiming” to be Barelwi or deobandi. There are many who are graduates of their institutions and have links to their respective Ulema within their Isnads. It’s not something one can run from and or disavow. For example, in the spiritual sense, the Qadiri Ridawi spiritual path links back via Shaykh Ahmad Ridha Khan (rA). One can’t just say I’m not Barelwi, even though the path links back through “Al-Barelwi.” Same goes for any other label: Maturidi, Ashari , Shia, Sunni One can’t just say, “drop all the labels, we’re all Muslims, therefore let’s just unite” It doesn’t make sense since there are major differences in Aqeedah between certain groups and the labels are required for differentiation purposes and in order to preservation of true creed and prevention of the dilution of deeni principles. Similarly, the major difference between the deobandis and Sunnis/Barelwis is the issue of kufr and Iman. Deos have written statements of kufr in their books, written by the very founders/elders of Darul Uloom Deoband. This Kufr has been pointed out and made clear for the masses not just by the Sunni Barelwi Ulema but by other Sunni Ulema not affiliated with Bareilly. The issue truly comes down to sincerely doing research and understanding the matter. The matter is simple. Denigration/disrespect/insult of the Prophet ﷺ is kufr and then one who does so is kafir. Period. There is no justification for this. “Context”is not admissible as defense. Those who try to defend this kufr also fall into kufr. It’s a serious matter. The deobandis need to be sincere and speak the truth even if against themselves or their own elders, and then disavow the statements and those who wrote them. That’s the only way unity can happen. (And if they do so, they no longer truly remain as deobandis-in the sense of affiliation to the original founders of Darul-Uloom deoband, and therefore in one sense the label is automatically dropped)

@@abdullahahmed1251 of these labels, which did the prophet peace be upon him, sahaba, tabieen, khalaf label themselves??

@@abdullahahmed1251 my point is simple, dont take the contemporaries over the classical. Im not gunna start stating hadith on here which also emphasises this. These groups sometimes blind follow there soo called peers like ahmad rida, ashraf ali, albani etc and take their opinions over the opinions of the classical giants.

@@StealthSpark312 You’re making a very foolish argument if you’re saying: “If the Prophet ﷺ didn’t use this label, then why are we using it. We should only use the label the Prophet ﷺ used” Did the Prophet ﷺ or the Sahaba use the label Hanafi, or Maliki, or Hanbali, or Shafii, or Salafi, or Sunni? The labels were created later to be used by the followers to show affiliation to the particular school(s) they follow. Obviously these labels didn’t exist in the time of the Prophet ﷺ because the ones who formulated the schools based on His ﷺ teachings came later. If you’re making the claim of innovation, then that’s a whole new discussion to get into.

@@StealthSpark312 You clearly don’t understand the issue which is why you are resorting to this argument Both groups claim to follow classical scholars Even you yourself can’t learn directly from a classical scholar, you need a bridge between you and them, and that would be your teacher or a contemporary scholar. Unless you’re claiming you’re knowledgeable enough to access to bypass the contemporary scholars and learn directly from classical books without a teacher. The Hadith states that this deen is by transmission. You can’t just skip generations and get ijazah in a science directly from a predecessor…

Brother what is this worship of their elders ??? Brother they are Muslims they do not worship anything or anyone else other than Allah SubhaanaHuWaTaaala Do you worship Ahmed Reza Khan? He is a Takfiri hound as the Deobandi scholars are graveworship tashriki hounds !! May Allah not make the Muslims lose yaqeen in the Scholarship of Islam ! There should not be any takfir which means taking a Muslim out of Islam nor any tashrik in accusing Muslims of Shirk... check the erred idea(s) check the erred action(s) by all means but refrain from takfir and tshrik (by accusing Muslims of graveworship or saintworship )

Have you read both camps' arguments? Do you have even the basic knowledge of UsulEdDeen ? Did you directly take knowledge from an authentic certified Sheikh? Are you even fit to judge ? Do you have the right amount of maturity to be able to make a calculated just observation and assessment and thus a fair judgment ?

@@TheMercifulAndJust Do you have a brain?

@TheMercifulAndJust more than you. I've been through all the phases before I became a sunni. The Barelvis are right, 300 mudaris signed the Fatwa of kufr fir a reason. It gets worse Arab mufti signed it. No amount of pussy footing around the issue will change that.

@@yourstruly5706 My apologies brother 🙏 I misunderstood you I thought you were trying to defend deobandis since your response seemed aimed at the other brother who was also criticizing deobandis (or so it seems)

What did he say that keeps you up at night?

@@ponderingspirit I've never lost any sleep over that hell-bound, wretched man.

@@Husayn0318 Clearly

It's true Deoband institutions are more structured, in urban areas, and more in touch with Arab world. They are also good in fiqh. But the masses will be divided as long as they don't ease up on certain issues. Their Mawlid stance is simply wrong and exaggerated.

Exactly By a ratio of 100:1 or more Literally tens of thousands of madrasah and thousands of Darul Uloom run by Deobandi ulama creating millions of huffaaz and hundreds of thousands of ulama. Barelvi madrasahs barely number in the hundreds and genuine bonafide Darul Uloom are non existent. The one opened by Ahmed Raza khan in bareli ended up in the hands of the deobandis My late father attended a small bareli madrasah in Ahmedabad. Allah Ta’ala guided him and ran away to a Deobandi madrasah much to the anger of his grandfather. Alhumdulillah

I think you dont have any idea about Dawate Islami​@@abukhadeejah

I think the Shaykh clarified that himself; it's because he wrote an entire volume in praise of Ibn Taymiyyah, the misguided heretic.

​@@Husayn0318didn't Mulla Ali Qari and Imam Badruddin Aini RA also praised him?

@@FardeenFirdous Detailed criticism takes precedence over general praise.

@@Husayn0318 no I'm saying if those scholars are respected even if they praised Ibn Taymiyyah RA then why can't same apply to Abu Hasan Nadwi RA?

@@FardeenFirdous Because those scholars didn't write an entire volume in praise of Ibn Taymiyyah...

Yep and the other Akabireen disrespected God, his Prophet, one even wrote against Khatam an nabiyeen and they call the muslims mushrikeen. I'm not sure their can be unity until they leave the elders.

This isn't a fundamental belief of the Deobandis, nor does the common deobandi believe this. The scholar who mentioned it was giving an example, and it wasn't one without criticism. The example was given so as not to do shirk, nothing more. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

@G1NG3RRR yeah, because it's shirkh to think of gayr Allah. Especially when you give Salaam to sayyid al-khalq (upon him.be peace). Grow up, disrespect of a Prophet (upon them be peace) is kufr and the sunnah of iblees (the radd) and their opponents.

@@G1NG3RRRthis is a very weak argument. Even if one man from the deobandis or their role models makes a kufr statement, no doubt the other elders and scholars of today are aware of this and yet they still praise them. Again lay men are never to blame but rather those who constantly praise innovators

@@n.s.5278 Yes, he fled Syria during the war

@@ibnawesome so in Turkey now?

Sure. But it started with the influence of Wahhabsim amongst some of the Deobandis. And it took off from there.

@n.a.1397 the British were likely behind blowing everything out of proportion

@@ibnawesome I agree. But I guess somethings are just disagreed upon amongst ppl. Our natures are a little different. Deobandis have a more "sober" approach, and Brelwes are more from Murshid / Mureed culture and allow more. At the heart of the issue is istigatha, which in reality is differed upon amongst Asharis too...well that's my impression.

@n.a.1397 to my knowledge, istagatha is a fiqh issue not aquida. Hanbalis make it an aquida issue. No doubt people go to excess with it.

Deobandis r such liars. You pretend as if you have no problem with Barelwis But in your Deogandi circles u call Barelwis (Sunnis) as “Müşrik Bidati Qubooree polytheist innovator grave worshipers…” Fear Allah because right now ur also lying about Imam Ahmad Raza Khan. He never lied rather he only refuted the falsehood of your Murtadd DebBandi Akaabir elders and exposed their disgusting blasphemies to the world to protect the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah from going astray. How shameless can you be? Don’t you ever get tired of your Taqiyya (deception)?

There's really no solution beyond abandoning both labels

​@@ibnawesomeThere are very problematic aqidah issues and positions within the works of the Barelwi scholarships.

@@ibnawesome A good start to a proper solution would be honesty…and refraining from taqiyyah

​@@muhammad7205For example?

@@muhammad7205 u Deobandis are like Shitaan. Don’t you ever get tired of your shameless lies and Taqiyya (deception)?

Yeah I didn't like the part where he didn't address him with Shaykh even if he didn't like what he did

​@@ibnawesomeDid you also not like the fact that he didn't refer to Ibn Taymiyyah as "Shaykh"?

​@@Husayn0318 Ibn Taymiyyah was a scholar of Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamah. So we have to respect him. We Hanbalis respect him. He is one of the shaykhs of Hanabilah. He had some error in his understanding. It's true. But not like what wahhabis claim. Wahhabis are claiming and using him same like Shia Rafidhis doing with Sayyidina Ali Ibn Abi Talib raliayallahu anhu. But the fact is Ibn Taymiyyah was not in the aqidah of today's Wahhabis.

@@user-wf8nq7cm8t ابن تيمية عبد خذله الله وأضله وأعماه وأصمه وأذله، وبذلك صرح الأئمة الذين بينوا فساد أحواله وكذب أقواله، ومن أراد ذلك فعليه بمطالعة كلام الإمام المجتهد المتفق على إمامته وجلالته وبلوغه مرتبة الإجتهاد أبي الحسن السبكي وولده التاج والشيخ الإمام العز بن جماعة وأهل عصرهم وغيرهم من الشافعية والمالكية والحنفية "Ibn Taymiyyah is a servant whom Allah has forsaken, led astray, blinded, deafened, and humiliated. This was explicitly stated by the scholars who clarified the corruption of his conditions and the falsehood of his statements. Whoever desires to verify this should refer to the words of the renowned imam and mujtahid, unanimously acknowledged for his leadership, stature, and attainment of the rank of ijtihad: Abu al-Hasan al-Subki, his son Taj al-Din, Shaykh al-Imam al-Izz ibn Jama‘ah, and the scholars of their time and others from the Shafi‘i, Maliki, and Hanafi schools." This is the view of Imam Ibn Hajr al-Makki al-Shafi'i concerning Ibn Taymiyyah, and this is the correct view.

(( It's a goat even though it flew ? ))😅 Honestly, that's what he gets for overpraising Ibn Taymiyya and not justly addressing his major diversions from the Ahlus-Sunnah wa'l-Jama'at and whose works were exploited by that mass murderering mass excommunicating warcriminal Mohammed bin AbdilWahhab and his khawarej sect. Many of the so called deobandi scholars have justified his allegations of graveworship and polytheism by the MUSLIMEEN !! ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR MINDS !!! They are complicit to ALL THE BLOOD THAT WAS SPILT AND THE FITNAS THAT ENSUED due to the Taymiyy-Wahhabia ! All the bombings of dargas and mosques in Pakistan or Afghanistan or elsewhere !!! Shame on him and shame on them! TO win points with the wahhabis and not have the madrasas in SAUDIA get apprehended or shut down!!! they forget what these people did to SheikhilHind Mahmud elHasan and the Scholars who came in support of Othomanian Khilafat and Sultan Abdul Hamid II !!!handing them over to the BRITISH !!! and what they did to MUHADDITH EL HARAMAIN Sheikh MOHAMMED Alawi ALMaaliki ...!! eventually, they even closed down TABLIGH works !! Then this same person who praised ibn Taymiyya now gives a hearty speech to the Saudi government on attacking Tabligh and closing them down and etc

Huh?

Uncreatedness for other than Allâh SWT ?? Do you even think about what you're saying?

Your sloppy copy-pasting from whatever Deobandi blog has been refuted already at length in Shaykh Abu Hasan's The Killer Mistake, where he directly addresses what you wrote and proves it to be lies: ridawipress.org/wp-content/uploads/the-killer-mistake.pdf Nobody from Hijaz retracted their signature from Hussam al-Haramayn and said they were deceived, read the book I've linked if you're sincere.

In the same book, barzanji reiterates the kufr of deobandi elders.

"Describe(or description)" is an explanation of some quality/attribute isn't it? So the Quality is there and was always there. The description in our time came in the form of words in various languages or manners of expression etc. in that time we don't know and don't need to know as the description/manner of expression can change in whichever way or language you want to

Leave it to the scholars. Or maybe go and sit with these scholars and read the texts with them as they proposed in the video

@@luqmaansheik8836 so the word Allah is created or it was his name eternally

@@mohammedumar147 so Allah gained the name Allah after creating arabic?

@@fadan950 are you suggesting the Creator depends on His name for existence? Is an arabic name what makes God who He is?

The response to these allegations is in the book Almuhannad alal mufannad (the indian Sword upon the Lies) Ahmad Raza Khan Ky Ilzamat Ki Haqiqat Or Ulma Deoband Ka Difa | الزامات کی حقیقت متکلم اسلام وکیل احناف شیخ طریقت مولانا محمد الیاس گھمن دامت برکاتہم العالیہ Reza khan lies to the imams of haramain: czcams.com/video/QTWCIK3T9Vs/video.html Almuhannad alal mufannad (indian sword upon lies) is the response by khalil ahmad saharanpur Endorsed by signatures of : 24 ulama of deoband 6 ulama of makkah 25 ulama of madinah 3 ulama of alAzhar egypt 12 ulama of syria

Brelvis have a history of confusing the Arab Ulema against Deobandis. When Mahmud alHasan met the great Medinan Scholar Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi in Madina, shaykh abdul qadir said: "Ahmed Radha Khan brought some Urdu texts to me. He attributed them to the Ulama of Deoband and sought a fatwa. I told him that the texts were in Urdu, which I didn’t know, and so how could I possibly issue a fatwa. He said he would translate them into Arabic for me, so I asked him how that could be possible when he is the claimant. How could his translations be accepted? He then convinced a student of mine to translate the texts into Arabic, which he did.” Shaykh Abdul Qadir continues: “At that, I issued a fatwa with certain conditions that if these writings are those of the Ulama of Deoband, that these are the meanings of these texts (as explained by Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan), that the preceding and succeeding texts do not show the meanings to be otherwise, and that these are the authors’ intentions then these texts lead to disbelief. After that, Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s book “Husam Al-Haramain” (Sword of the Two Sanctuaries) was published. I looked at my fatwa inside there, it had been altered. My words had been changed and from this I realized that this man (Ahmed Radha Khan) was not from the people of trust (Ahl al-Diyanat).” Malfudhat Faqih al-Ummat, Volume 2, Page 333 Shaykh Abdul Qadir was not the only non-Salafi shaykh to voice concerns about Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Interestingly, Shaykh Sayyid al-Barzanji, the Grand Mufti of the Shafi’i’s in Medina, who was also an impartial Middle Eastern scholar and contemporary of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan, wrote a book against Radha Khan entitled “Ghayat al-Mamul fi Ilm Ghayb al-Rasul”.

What’s wrong with taking the salafi path brother?

​@@Theway078- the Salafi Sect go against the Sunnah & Madhabs

@@Theway078It is a path of innovation and anthropomorphism.

​@@randomperson4845as-salamu aleykum. Do u know.mich about islam?

@@serkanalbayrak2972 wa alaykum assalam, I'm learned of the religion and it's intricacies however I'm not a student of knowledge