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Elliot’s comments on mixing music in immersive are not aging well. I’d be very interested to hear Elliot’s take on Peter Gabriel’s interview about why his last album i/o is in immersive. I’ve been dealing with surroundsound for over 15 years and Atmos now for almost 5. I watched this interview when it came out, and I was dumbfounded. So hard to see one of my early sound heroes so disconnected from actual reality and understanding of sound as it relates to music and how we hear in real life (ITD, ILD). As far as music, think of a concert hall, immersive doesn’t mean ANY fancy panning has to occur. Binaural engines are finally starting to actually sound good. Eventually (because of the very fast development of game engines) we’ll be mixing the lower hemisphere of sound as well for full life-like experiences as/when needed. Till then, at least it’s all headed in the right direction. I still don’t understand how Elliott could be so myopic about this. Many of his comments are so off base regarding how music is actually listened to in real life. Immersive and spatial audio does not belong to a company. It literally is how we experience life aurally. Atmos (which I use and mix in) is not immersive Audio in and of itself. Atmos is simply a delivery playback container that allows for automatic/proper crash down to whatever speaker configuration/system is being used for playback including headphones at which point it switches to binaural representation of the full immersive mix. If Dolby went out of business tomorrow, immersive audio would continue. Immersive simply allows us to create audio mixes that go beyond the horizontal plane. Last time I checked humans appreciate being able to hear sound spherically. Check out the album from Peter Gabriel in Atmos (called i/o), also Quest For Fire by Skrillex. Two fantastic examples of what happens when people understand how to mix music in an amazingly artistic way that puts the listener inside the experience rather than just having sound pushed at them with traditional stereo or surround. It’s incredible on a full Atmos speakers based system, but it is also absolutely fantastic in just earbuds or headphones in binaural. For the record, I’ve been dealing with making music and sound for 3D/4D film for almost 15 years and I have never been a fan of surroundsound because of how limiting it is . When something flies over your head it should actually sound like it’s flying over your head.. Immersive audio for cinema was such a game changer and audiences are impacted by it, but don’t realize it because it matches how we hear in nature so well, that we don’t even think about it. If they were to unplug the top speakers in the middle of a gentle immersive audio rainforest scene or a high impact action scene, both would be noticed dramatically. If Elliott spent 15 minutes in my studio listening to some music mixed in Atmos, he would undoubtedly modify his statements, and I would be the first to give him full license to do so. Reality is after the first song that I would specifically choose for him to listen to we would be on the same page.

I’ve been dealing with surroundsound for over 15 years and Atmos now for almost 5. I watched this interview when it came out, and I was dumbfounded. So hard to see one of my early sound heroes so disconnected from actual reality and understanding of immersive audio and how it relates to and IS how we perceive sound in real life. It’s actually how we hear in real life (ITD, ILD). Binaural engines are finally starting to actually sound good...and keep getting better even a couple times each month (per Dolby) as the algorithms keep getting better and better. . Eventually (because of the very fast development of game engines) we’ll be mixing the lower hemisphere of sound as well for full life-like experiences as/when needed. Till then, at least it’s all headed in the right direction. I still don’t understand how Elliott could be so myopic about this. Many of his comments are so off base. Immersive and spatial audio does not belong to a company. It literally is how we experience life aurally. Atmos (which I use and mix in) is not immersive Audio in and of itself. Atmos is simply a delivery playback container that allows for automatic/proper crash down to whatever speaker configuration/system is being used for playback including headphones at which point it switches to binaural representation of the full immersive mix. If Dolby went out of business tomorrow, immersive audio would continue. Immersive simply allows us to create audio mixes that go beyond the horizontal plane. Last time I checked humans appreciate being able to hear sound spherically. Check out the album from Peter Gabriel in Atmos (called i/o), also Quest For Fire by Skrillex. Two fantastic examples of what happens when people understand how to mix music in an amazingly artistic way that puts the listener inside the experience rather than just having sound pushed at them with traditional stereo or surround. It’s incredible on a full Atmos speakers based system, but it is also absolutely fantastic in just earbuds or headphones in binaural. For the record, I’ve been dealing with making music and sound for 3D/4D film for almost 15 years and I have never been a fan of surroundsound because of how limiting it is . When something flies over your head it should actually sound like it’s flying over your head.. Immersive audio for cinema was such a game changer and audiences are impacted by it, but don’t realize it because it matches how we hear in nature so well, that we don’t even think about it. If they were to unplug the top speakers in the middle of a gentle immersive audio rainforest scene or a high impact action scene, both would be noticed dramatically. If Elliott spent 15 minutes in my studio listening to some music mixed in Atmos, he would undoubtedly modify his statements, and I would be the first to give him full license to do so. Reality is after the first song that I would specifically choose for him to listen to we would be on the same page.

Thanks for this.

34:24 was that a fart? 🤔

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For a mixing engineer he sure knows where to place that mic…

Ask the individuals in the Bronx if President Trump represents White Nationalism.

I totally agree with you anna, I love a mash-up in music. Apart from what you do I particularly like scooter doing stuff with status quo&always look on the bright side of life (monty python).Long may this continue and get the younger generation into classical music

Micro housing is such a great idea. if you walk through suburbs in London during the day. So many empty underused houses. Why spend all that money on something you not even using? I had a 4 bed in west London but spent so much time away from it. What's the point? Live outside London and boost rural economies and reduce the squeeze on London housing and therefore prices. In today's internet age most folk only need a room. In fact I know someone with a 4 bed house who only ever uses one room; her bedroom which is also her office. Ensuite. So what's the point of having all that other space??

Fascism: Govt and corporations working together to stifle the country. Did you not go through the covid travesty?

No to Pocahontas. Biden is the ultimate corrupt politician.

I worked there when Google glass was being developed and rolled out. The first thing I said was you need to work with Ray Ban because they look too much like something from Star Trek

The interviewer literally telling people that he doesn’t like the “ducking” technique is all I need to know about his mixes.

“Okay”

I get what he is saying and I agree to a certain degree, BUT..."no music worthwhile listening to since 2000"/2005"!?...there is so much music being made and A LOT of GREAT sounding stuff. Just get out from under the rock and open the mind (and ears), dude :) (and this being said, I totally respect the work that mr. Elliot Scheiner has contributed with during the years - some of the best sounding stuff - thank you a lot for that!!).

Can we get a link to where he shows how he did this ??

This is the 3rd video I’ve been watching Rory speaking. The 1st he delivered keynote on stage. 2nd a podcast interview format. and this one. All 3 is fantastic and he only have few cases that repeated. To me Rory is just a lovable person who happen to know a lots about marketing and more.

its interesting that he said AI is taking over the boring and repetitive staff, is it really? i think people are now over relying on generative AI without realising

Rory's brain seems to work 2x faster than everyone else's. Great interview.

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When the levee breaks hits so hard!!!!!!!!! I love the story of how they came into that drum sound. Short version is they were setting up in a house to work on the album and as they were moving the drum set in they realised how amazing the reverb of the staircase sounds and then ended up recording the drums in the staircase with mics a couple floors above. Just a coincidence, or more an opportunity fully realised. And then as Andrew Scheps says - then they just arranged around that drum sound so everything just works so great together.

saying the drums have to work is exactly how I treat gain staging. I meter the kick to around -14db and for the rest of the mix I ignore the meters until I clip - which usually I won't, because when you meter to kick to -14db things usually fall into place.

Recently Ive heard a couple ppl say 'I want my drums to be different, the 909, 808, etc. are just so boring." I just shake my head and I think "They are drums, they serve everything that you layer on top of them" I totally feel validated after hearing Andrew basically confirming the same as my thoughts.

Rest in peace Steve 🕊️ Glad you said meat packing plants were covid spreaders. That was the straw that led me to quitting meat. Great rebel music legend 💥❤️

“The virus” was a gain of function bio-warfare release.

Steve left us too soon! Goddammit! This man doesn’t beat around the bush - he just tells the hard truth and surfaces it immediately in any conversation I’ve heard with him.

What an absolute clown take from someone I thought was a pretty rational guy

Dolby has achieved something unique: Binaural hrtf headphone content. Yep it can sound better (than non-binaural stereo) and lots of people listen on headphones so it probably will succeed in this area.

Wow, everything Scheps says here is like clouds parting and sun shines through with angels singing a heavenly ahhhhhh.... Big AHA! moments, it all makes perfect sense, so much to gain (not gain-stage) from this. I basically deduce from this: You're a mixer, but stay human, don't become a robot, and that works.

THANKYOU

They come up with these new things to keep out up and coming artist, producers and mixers.

R.I.P. Steve, you were the genuine voice in music and life.

If you mix, you should probably watch this.....

I thought this will be about selling but nearly half way through and he spoke about every subject except selling 😭

I love this guy. Just flip the switch, then sit back and listen to the ADD roll.

Fascinating idea

Unfortunately Steve prob got vaccinated and that’s what did him in This very thought process of his And brainwashing of the left

The best advice he gave was to not work off of soloing every individual track. If all we listened to were individual tracks it would make sense. The mix is what matters so tweak your dynamics, eq and effects in the mix, otherwise you're wasting time.

I don’t know who the interviewer is. But he’s incredible. It felt like watching All In Podcast where all sides are equally as knowledgeable.

TBPro ISOL8 is a great free tool for this

Fascists? He didn’t comprehend what Fascism was. It was Italian trade unionism. Fascism was national socialism. That was the question Mussolini posited to the Italian Marxist party? The big question for any socialist. That being, international socialism or national socialism. Mussolini supported national socialism, which was becoming popular across Europe, as Marxist supported joining the war backing national interests. Mussolini was a socialist. Steve Albini doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Banning the Republican Party, having only one political wing, that being the left wing…that would be fascist.

"...if his senility becomes more apparent..." ... his comments were as sharp as his music. Take care man.

Elizabeth Warren rules! My mom knows her. I can assure you she is brilliant,

Bro is based as fuck for telling it like it is. RIP to one of the best engineers to ever walk this earth. <3

America is one big bpd. I guess that's why they have the best music! Rest well ❤

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IS HE DEAD?

I wonder if he was vaccinated 61 is still kind of a young age to die I don’t know what kind of lifestyle he lived, but I do wonder

Dude should stick to music.