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Thanks for the update. I am currently driving to Pan-Am in North America, but when I hit Colombia, I’ll see about either switching my gen2 to be based out of Colombia or purchasing this mini. Maybe we both.

Since you're connecting 4S in series, why does it come out 12V and not 48V?

Can I use the Renogy Rover MPPTs for skkar charging a 280 Ah prismatic battery instead of the Victron as you did?

2 years later, We now have the Eco-Worthy 12.8 V with built in BMS for $480. Down to .133 cents per watt hour.

Your channel intro is perfection. Great video!

For me, this is not a flop. I have the residential service, and I ordered my mini yesterday. I have the roaming and home service, which is expensive! $120 for my residential and $150 for the roaming! So, for me, $30 a month to have this mini is perfect. I won't need more than 50 Gigs of data as I just need to access Wi-Fi calling, web browsing, and such, not download movies, etc. The roaming dish I have is bulky and takes up a lot of space in my truck, and when I looked at its usage, I am well under 50 Gigs of data per month. I like the versatility and compact abilities of this dish so I can take it with me almost anywhere. I am excited to get mine and free up space; easy to set up, and I can leave it on the dash of my Cybertruck. 😎

Great video! The most compreensive video about the subject. Thank you!

You’re incorrect about the spectral efficiency. The dish is smaller so the beam generated by the beam forming is not as narrow (I’ve designed such systems in the past and size matters) and the dish uses less power so the transmit power is lower. Both reduce the signal-to-noise ratio (snr) which means that for whatever spectrum you have, you will have reduced bandwidth. The starlink system is a shared bandwidth system so if snr is lower you get less bits per said spectrum. Basically, the smaller dish which transmits at lower power eats up more spectrum per bit and thus consumes more resources that can be better utilized by bigger dishes. Bottom line - as far as SpaceX/Starlink is concerned the cost per bit for a smaller dish is higher so they can either increase the price of the plan or limit the cost by limiting bandwidth. That’s likely why while there are many use cases where a smaller dish which consumes less power is advantageous, StarLink would prefer that where a larger dish can be used - the customer would use a larger one - especially in more congested areas like cities or dense countries (or where the service is popular). The best way for StarLink to control this is with price and availability

Can you help me get one please we live in a poverty country

Nice logical explanation. I have 16S 3.2V cells x3 in parallel. The max my system will charge is 200A (with no loads) and the most the inverter will draw is 200A. Divide that by 48 cells is max 4A charging/ discharging per cell. C1 rate is 280A so 4A is equivalent to C0.014 charge/ discharge rate. Compression is NOT required for this config I would much rather allow the cells to breathe and exhaust any heat. The BMS temp probe is stuck to the upper side of a central battery and is ALWAYS at room temp, never seen it rise even 1 deg C higher even when charging full 200A. 4A is like a trickle charge for these cells.

Were you not tempted to order a mini?

Thank you much for your thoughts and ideas. And also I look forward to future updates on performance using your 12V conversion. I hope Starlink does not hinder use of 3rd party routers! I am going to wait for your review of the XTAR Link EL3 device before I proceed on my 12V conversion.

Essi sim é tecnologia de ponta

good analysis, thanks

We had so much fun chatting!!! Can’t wait to catch up again soon! Miss you guys.

Hey Dan, completed your 12V conversion and have not been successful in setting up the router to access WiFi and negate the original router. Do you have a video outlining how to set up the GL iNet router with Starlink?

Very much look forward to your review of the XTAR-LINK EL3. I would want a different router though, and they have a kit without a router for a little less. They have a DC5521 port out for router power. The GL.iNet products have the USB C input. What would be the easiest way to feed power to the GL.iNet router from the XTAR device? Other than that it looks pretty simple. I was waiting for the Starlink Mini, but as you can see now their data plan has me looking for ways to better power my Gen 2 dish. Your conversion video was awesome and I may still go that way. I''ll be checking in for the XTAR review. Thanks for your work!

OUPES 1200 If along with a 150W solar panel, we also connect a 100W wind turbine, with one cable (GINTOOYUN DC7909 Y Splitter Adapter Cable 14AWG DC 8mm 1 Male to 2 Female Power) both 12V, in your opinion we will have a problem? do not exceed 30 volts, which has a limit of 1200, and I do not understand where the problem will be, if they both charge the station!! The Company gives a 240W solar panel, so I don't think I have a problem, unless I exceed 30 Volts! Both together are 24 Volts. . . . . . I want to charge, even when there is no sun, but only wind.

Such great content, delivered clearly with great time lapse of power usages. Cheer mate

You are a great communicator and provide solid advice, so thanks. It’s a shame you need to boost your 12V to the dishy dualie as this will create more inefficiency. Really the product should maintain the specified output so long as the Vin does not drop below a certain threshold, say 10V. You should raise that with them as a design flaw/improvement opportunity. Cheers mate.

When you come to Europe, you can always park at are home in the Netherlands

Hi Guys, made my Starlink just as you told with the yaoshengadapter and with the dushy dualie. But the dich wohnt start. Checken all the cables. I took a longer cable cat8 from dicht dualie to the yaoscheng adapter. But i dont think that would be a issue. Please help because I don’t know what’s wrong.

Man, such a bummer to hear that the mini is a flop - that would have been amazing for power consumption and portability on the road!

The Mini is less capable, much like a 3G phone over LTE/5G. And similarly, these devices will have negative impact on the total network capacity. So where the network is congested (i.e. USA), they definitely want to sell it at a premium, and minimize usage.. On the other hand, in areas with lots of capacity, there reduced network capacity makes no difference. These areas also tend to have lower average income, so being able to use hardware with less parts (and therefore less cost to build) makes sense. There's still development cost for this new design, so we can thank all the early adopters in the US for contributing toward bridging the digital divide worldwide. On top of a van, I would consider Gen3 over the Mini, way too many advantages. Since both were certified for in-motion use a couple months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX adds some power-saving features to the Gen3 (i.e. work in "Mini mode" until there's usage).

Great video thank you. For your BMS and heat issue, why not place a thick sheet piece of silicone from a cheap silicone pot holder. Also did you have to pay $110 shipping per battery?

Oddly enough 3 years later, lead and Lithium are both now more expensive.

Love this video! So comprehensive and informative! I learned a lot even though I already have four cats traveling with us! A lot of new ideas to try to make it better for them and us ❤️ thank you so much for sharing!!

Great video

In Colombia, you can now buy the mini with a roaming plan, just not in the usa. for 800,000 cop, If you decide to try it, and need an address in Pasto to order it, let me know my gf lives there

Thanks for taking the trouble to share this. I dropped over 1500 UK pounds on drop-in batteries for my last boat, and on my current project decided to take the smart way and build my own pack. Just yesterday I got my box of Eve 280 cells and a good BMS, and am just getting started putting it all together. I had already got it pretty much all figured out, but it was great to run through it all again, and especially to pick up hints like the plastic between the cells and the issue of heating from the BMS. Well presented band clear. Top stuff.

This converter gives 24volt. Can i plug this into the powerstation port 12volt? Thanks for this good video.😊

Great.

Massive help Dan, thank you. I was contemplating upgrading to the gen 3 dish, but when I learned that it consumes more power than the standard actuated one, I decided against it. I am really grateful for you sharing your long-term experience with the 12v conversion

You mean the whole thing you explained doesn’t apply or just the little adapter to the router from the dish? I have all the pieces already mounted in camper except the connection from the dish😮

Do those power banks have batterys in them because you seem to move them around quite freely without effort

You legend! I find your videos so helpful and that's why I got myself the Dualie but like you the voltage drop has been an issue, now I know how to fix it. I made my own 12v flat mount conversion and posted it on my channel which you might find interesting because I made my own cable from the Starlink to the POE (I do need to make an updated video as well) Thanks for making this video 👍🏻

Hay Dan. I just received my starlink Gen 3 today. I have no plans on converting it to 12v. I've seen too many people on CZcams who say they had alot of issues. I have a 3000-watt converter hooked to 200Ah batteries. When you used your converter, did you have any issues? I'm full-time and will be heading to Argentina soon, and you mentioned the 400 bucks a month once I leave the US. I agree that's ridiculous and is a reason why I waited to get starlink because Elon Musk has bipolar and constantly changes the price on everything. Overall, in your opinion, is starlink worth it being able to have internet anywhere?

Very timely video..... 8) Thanks for watching our review earlier today and taking the time to update me on the suggestions you have found about the 12v. What a small world that you are going to be getting the Xtar-Link. It has been working well for us. Wander On- Kyle and Michelle

Thanks for the video. Sounds like most of the issues you had are self induced and not a starlink issue - and most have easy solutions - thank you for sharing those tips! As for the mini, they are limiting demand (and impact on other starlink dishes) by initially charging higher prices and limiting the target audience. Once they’ll ramp up production of the mini price for the dish will come down - but will likely happen in multiple steps as production will take time to ramp. As for price for data - this will likely still be limited or more expensive as the mini is much less spectral efficient (not as good signal/noise) due to size and power limitations so starlink will likely throttle and keep data prices higher to ensure it doesn’t use too much spectrum and impact other users. Maybe in the future if you’re in a remote area and there is no spectral contention with other users they’ll remove some of the limits though performance would likely not be as good as larger dishes. It just plain physics. Size does matter… at least for some things… 😂

Thanks Dan for the info.

After 9 months of using my Starlink on 12-volt, here is an update on how everything is working. Also I explain all of the problems people have asked in the comments and the causes of each one. After the recent announcement of new hardware from Starlink, the 2nd generation actuated Starlink dish in my opinion is still the best choice for nomadic use. Watch this video to the end to see why. Are you looking for my complete 12-volt Starlink conversion tutorial? czcams.com/video/UxbPWwh7dqs/video.html If you are looking for an alternative to the Dishy Dualie for 12-volt conversion, stay tuned for a review on the XTAR LINK EL3: xtar-link.com/products/xtar-link-el3-dc-power-supply-for-starlink-standard-actuated-gen-2

Can I plug the starlink cable directly into Dishy if I have a gen 3 dish? Thank you.

Add a capacitor?

You are the best. I’ve been following along since before you even went to Newfoundland ☺️

I am thinking to do this trip. But have seem a lot complain that shipping employees break everything to try to steal all they can do. Nobody is responsible for this ?

Thanks!

Sir how I can buy this cell in india plz reply me....???

*I love the simplicity of Both devices. It's simple I have a Ulanzi Falcram Quick Release Plate and the Smallrig Case and that's it. Works AMAZINGLY & I'll be using this on my vacation next week*

thank you!! great vid

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