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Riding shotgun!

It’s my friend’s dog. I think she’s about 3 or 4.

@@Payton1221 pretty dog

I live in Southern Indiana, directly across from Louisville so about 450 miles.

I know what you mean. I like to use the old “must have been a hole in my pattern” excuse 😂. I joke, but that is a reality at times. Many years ago before discovering pigeons and launchers, I was usingpen raised quail. It was a young dog, and I was fortunate enough to get one decent flight from the Quail, but I couldn’t shoot. Seconds later, I see it walking on a freshly plowed-bare ground-field. I was somewhat new to dogs, but I knew there was little chance that I would get two good flights out of that Quail and opted to shoot it where it was. Dust flies up ALL AROUND the Quail, but it walks right out of the dust cloud unharmed 😳

@@Payton1221 it just happens lol

Is your dog doing as well as Gus is on the table? I have a video (see Part 4 of the Reliable Retrieving series) that shows one way to do it but I’m now doing it like retriever trainer, Freddie King. Train your dog on the table with a paint roller. Then with your dog walking at heel, command fetch, stimulate, and hold the paint roller inches from his mouth, forcing him to walk to it and then let him get the paint roller in his mouth after five or 6 feet. This gets the dog, accustomed to walking towards it, and after a short period, do the same thing, but then lightly throw the paint roller on the ground just a foot or so in front of your dog, forcing the dog to pick it up there. I couldn’t believe how much trouble transitioning to the ground was when I first started force fetching dogs. Really, that was the impetus behind my Reliable Retrieving DVD that I sold in catalogs for years, because I felt as if no one had addressed it properly.

Thanks Jonatan. It was born out of necessity when I had just a little time to work a dog on backing once but no helper to help me either with the dog or to pick up and set down the backing silhouette.

@@Payton1221 I'm glad for that! Some real wisdom right there :) It's quite a show off to have a dog that backs, but even a bigger one to have the dog that always finds the birds first😊

@@jonatanskarsvag9139 For a dog to earn a permanent home with me, they have to contribute . . . and I don’t mean backing and retrieving only. They have to find birds!!!

I follow you from the Canary Islands, your work is extraordinary👏

@@joseg.m.7533 Thanks Joseg!

I don’t do this anymore, but this spot would usually yield about 5-6 birds in less than 15 minutes. After that, all of the birds had been harassed and were either gone or too spooked to wait for me and my net. In all the times that I did this, I was stopped by a cop just once. He asked really out of curiosity and left when I told him I was netting pigeons.

I did the video to show how it could be done, but it’s MUCH EASIER to just buy them.

I lost the longer telescoping pole from the book (my current one is shorter), but I’m still using the same net.

Maybe thats bc thats what its purpose with humans is

@@MarksmanTangoBravo4743you do realize the guy in this video had dogs that were bred to hunt down birds right?

A bit of skill and a pinch of luck can go a long way

I have another (longer) video that goes into more detail but it’s not difficult to teach. Give it a try! But only use it when you’re reasonably sure that the dog will successfully find a bird.

I haven't access to birds. Can break her from pointing a lizard, use flirt pole and easy, wait, clap hand and get it ... toy. Going from take it on treats to hunt close and using in yard online when environment is winning. Have been using positive reinforcement with Susan Garrett s games. Would love that fence here.

Many dogs can be serviceable gundogs without ever learning the word whoa, but whoa is needed for those who want their dog to stand steady to wing and shot or for those dogs that just need help in planting their feet at the scent of a bird.

@@Payton1221 thank you. This helps.

Thanks Jonatan. The two shorthairs are dogs owned by a client and they caught on real fast!

Yes it looks like it:-) And the one closest to the camera has some serious style!

@@jonatanskarsvag9139Thanks. That’s the pup that I kept out of my September litter. She will occasionally drop to her belly which she does in the video, but she is very stylish. And she’s a strong birdfinder which surprised me considering her age.

@@Payton1221 That is exciting! Nothing like a strong wild bird finder. I'm already looking forward to autumn's adventures with her. Love to watch it!:)

@@jonatanskarsvag9139 I made a short of her pointing a woodcock at just 5 months of age: czcams.com/users/shortsAp0650gxL2c?si=tdRxScchR2dopi_T

I fired a shot, and I like and use guns that fire 209 primers: plenty loud and very inexpensive. Camera person is usually my 23 year old son, and he'll appreciate your compliment. But I agree: he does a good job.

Pistol? Have a gsp and I lack area and assist. I love working, training, just lack in some areas.

How did you teach this with no bird?

I worked with a friend’s golden who was noise sensitive due to fireworks. Turned out great . . . with birds but she still doesn’t like fireworks.

That’s great. Enjoy the adventure!!!

I had to rewatch that but YOU’RE RIGHT(!!!): I had one “shooter” in the bag and the rest were homers. I mention in the video it was “bird number one” for that (second) workout and the dog really surprised me by backing so well on bird #1. I did these same exercises last night with a Brittany that had never been taught to back, and by Bird #6, she backed like a champ. Obviously more work is needed to be fully proofed, but she definitely understands the concept.

I don’t think so because the DT launcher is a combination receiver and servo motor in one. The DOGTRA is a receiver that sends a signal to the separate solenoid that actuates the unit.

Books are $20. I can either request the money from you via PayPal or you can send me a check. Email me at payton1221@yahoo.com with how you want to proceed. Thanks in advance!

My dog Andi has a similar response to the ecollar. When we get out of the truck, she comes right over to me, then turns from me so that I can place the collar on her. The association is obvious: an ecollar means an opportunity to hunt!

Thanks Jimmy. There are probably shooters who consistently shoot either behind or in front of their target with guns that don’t fit them such that their POI is either to the left or the right of their POA and the result is hitting a lot more targets in one direction when the errors cancel out and a lot fewer targets when the errors are additive.

I use a couple of spring loaded hinges.

Yes. I use both honing pigeons and rollers.

Jonatan, thanks. To be honest, I'm probably average at best but I used to be terrible so I do know a few things that will help one's shooting and I emphasized what I truly believe are the two biggest reasons people miss. That side-by-side I bought surprised me when I patterned it. It was shooting high and left, but I resolved it with a higher (high-viz) sight and I actually bent the stock myself (it was an inexpensive used gun so I wasn't worried about damaging it). There was probably an element of luck too, but my POI now coincides with my POA.

I love that gun. Less than 7 lbs when loaded, and you can still operate it lightning fast. The clay target “chip” that I shoot at the beginning of the video was done with the 37.

Thanks. I was disappointed when I saw the results of the new double barrel that I bought. After researching for this project, I actually tried to bend the stock of that gun, and I was pleasantly surprised by how well it worked! With me shooting high and to the left, I bent the stock to the right, but addressed the elevation problem with a higher front site. Other than ruining the stainless steel pan of my wife’s for the hot oil to drip into, the experiment was a total success 😂

Yes, but many, if not most, hunters only require that a dog be staunch, ie, that the dog remain pointed until they flush the birds. There are pros and cons to having a staunch dog, and there are pros and cons to having a steady dog (ie, one that remains stationary even after the birds have flown). I mention in my steady to wing and shot video that you wouldn’t want your dog to chase during this training if you are going to steady the dog later.

@@Payton1221 thanks Mark. What should I do differently if I want to teac my dog to stay steady to flush, shot and fall? Should I prevent the dog from chasing?

@@patricelapointe8550 Watch my steady to wing and shot video. It all starts with a SOLID, S-O-L-I-D(!!!), understanding of what whoa means and your ability to enforce it via the belly band. But, yeah, you don't want to allow him to chase when you introduce birds during the whoa training. That's one time when a helper and a checkcord can assist you and your belly band to teach whoa.

@@Payton1221 thank you. I’ll go and check your other video again. I also need to research about the belly band to better understand it. My dog is 2 years old and so far we only used e collar around her neck. Thanks again

@@patricelapointe8550 the advantage of the belly band is that it makes it extremely easy for the dog to understand. Stimulation to the belly means stop. Stimulation to the neck means turn or recall. The disadvantage to the handler is that it requires two ecollars and the handler has to toggle correctly based on what you are requiring of the dog.

Thanks Jay!

I was pleasantly surprised. You can tell from the backing video that I sent you that he can (but he doesn’t always) point that stylishly today too!

I feel like it was younger than most to point a wild bird and to hold it until I got there 😬. I’ve seen it look better but she’s a keeper if she’s proves to be a good birdfinder.

@@Payton1221 Absolutely. I'm always nervous about it, but with a young pup all you can do it wait and hope.

@@aaronpatterson2462 I’m guessing you field trial your dogs. Correct? We have so few wild birds around here that I have to prioritize (wild) bird finding and (wild) bird handling as a top priority, but all things being equal (which they never are 😉), I like a nice high and straight tail too.