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I always think it’s a bit odd that people throughout time have tried to paint Stan Lee as a credit stealer. Stan Lee may have enjoyed the limelight and liked to be viewed as Mr Marvel himself, but I firmly believe he did more for credit in comics than most ever would. At a time when it wasnt even considered the norm to credit artists/writers/and scripters on comics, Stan Went out of his way to paint them as super stars “Jack King Kirby” comes from Stan. He wanted people to know and feel relationships with the creators of comics

Great book and great video!

DC/WB are BRAINDEAD for not bringing these fantastic characters to the big screen! A NEW GODS MOVIE is way way way overdue!

Just finished this comic, what a great video explaining so much I didn’t know. Thank you

Very interesting, thank you!

I like Kirby's work and felt his dreams were squashed...he was trying to grow comic books up. I am not crazy about the 4th World/New Gods...some ideas were interesting the rest seemed too far out like the Eternals

Kirby didn't coin the term "fourth world" DC's editorial did, Kirby preferred simply "The New Gods" but since fans glommed onto fourth world he acquiesced and went with that

This video completely ignores that Jenette Kahn, the later publisher and editor-in-chief, beginning in 1976, saw the genius of The Fourth World and worked to bring it back and at least integrated it into the DC Multiverse, albeit impeded with Kirby under contract with Marvel. Eventually, her faith was vindicated in the 1980s when the toy company, Kenner, agreed with the appeal of the New Gods for the Super Powers Collection. This allowed Kirby to return to his New Gods characters, however briefly and with his own frustrations with editorial meddling, with the first two Super Powers limited series and the graphic novel, The Hunger Dogs.

Loved this! Thanks for sharing it again

This would make a great Max series … did you hear that James Gunn?!??

Inspired analysis. I remember being curious as to the "reproach" line when I first read the book. Nice to know it's significance.

I read trad back tom king

A beautiful fucking book, and ur additional analysis (so clearly filled with love) makes me fall in love with again and again, thank you!

A great analysis of the story, thanks

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Love the mainline black hammer and world of black hammer books! Best creator own universe in a decade! Madam Dragonfly and Col. Weird are my favorites!

Great interview of my favorite creator. Loving Phantom Road

Comment for the algorithm! I don’t really have anything to say. I love Jeff Lemire and I’ll listen whenever he does one of these

Thank you, Owen & Mr. LeMire!

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Congrats on going full time Owen!! You’re one of the best comic centered creators on the platform!!!

Zod isn't part of the el clan so he doesn't use the el insignia that's so weirdly

The IRONY of all this is…Kirby’s “failure” at DC gave them their BIGGEST VILLAIN…DARKSEID. And for all intents and purposes, all the major characters of those 3 books are still around…not to mention the BOOM TUBE…APOCALYPSE Mister Miracle and Big Barda, Orion, Lightray, High Father, Metron and so forth. Name any other “FAILURE “ that’s been around virtually non stop for 50 years!!! There are none. NONE. Jack Kirby’s failures are more successful than anything Image Comics as a total has done. Spawn? Savage Dragon? Cyber Force? Wild Cats? It’s laughable. And I mention Image only because of the initial success they had. Kirby was the genius…a genius. Even his failures were genius.

Sooooo he's just black. Alright.

Jack Kirby's Fourth World was and is the brilliance , accomplishment of creativity ! I've been reading comics since 1954 and these comics are legend . Nothing comes close...nothing!

One of the biggest disappointments was when Kirby came back to Marvel. I was so excited that he was going to do Captain America. While the artwork was great it was as if CA was snatched from the Marvel universe and had moved over to DC. The dialogue and the stories were awful.

Need a followup video about the new titles announced.

Sounds boring.

just say it that you are so woke even you black the superman 🤦‍♀️🤡

Jack The Hack is kind of a harsh moniker to bestow on such a pioneering artist but I understand how he kind of earned it. Jack Kirby could never accept that he was only part of the magic that created such iconic characters at Marvel. He was delusional in thinking the art alone was what made those characters beloved. Without Stan Lee Jack Kirby would be a footnote to a footnote and that made him a bitter man. Always feeling he was shortchanged of credit while Stan Lee lived his best life til 94 always feeling grateful. It’s fashionable to heap praise on Jack Kirby nowadays but it’s unwarranted. His art is worthy of praise but his life is a cautionary tale of the perils of not appreciating teammates contributions. He lived a petty, jealous, paranoid life and he let those character faults manifest into a hatred of the industry that offered him so much. Shame on Jack Kirby for warding off young artists from comic books.

Too bad he couldn’t have lived to see the incredible things that have been carried on with the New Gods. They’ve never kept solid monthly books, but they pop up for some of the most incredible stories ever. Let’s not forget Darkseid becoming DC’s most powerful and prevalent villain.

So, now that issue one has been out for a while, there’s something I want to point out about Ultimate Invasion. In the first issue, there’s a special thanks credit that’s given to Donny Cates, who first set up this idea of the Maker bringing back the Ultimate universe in his Venom run. He also mentioned back in September 2022, that he was working on a Marvel project with editor Wil Moss, who is also the editor of Ultimate Invasion. Add on top of that an interview Bryan Hitch did with WordBalloon about how Hickman wasn’t the original writer, I believe that Donny was supposed to be the original writer of Ultimate Invasion but most likely had to step away. But, that’s just my theory.

Nah i really don t like that

What made the Ultimate Universe so interesting and great was Spider-Man. Sure there were other decent stuff like Ultimate X-Men and stand-alone comics but nothing ever truly compared to Ultimate Spider-Man.

Christopher Reeve is the OG.

I realy like Peter Parker ultimate

I want a new universe Combine the best parts of 616, mcu, and ultimate universes

Ultimates universe was edgy try-hard mediocrity. And only Miles was the good thing to come out of it. "How can we be controversial? Have everyone eat people!" So the wow

Did we really need to bring it back? How many people will die in this storyline? Either way, if we get to see Ultimate Spider-Man again, I'll be alright with that.

Observation: one of the central rules of the Ultimate (1610) universe was that, when someone died, they really died. There was no resurrection. Does that rule no longer apply? Who will be returning? Professor X? Wanda? Cyclops? Magneto? Ultimate Peter Parker? Ultimate Dr. Doom?

Great. Bring it on. I wouldn't be surprised if Donny Cates was the one who was going to write this. He has always expressed his love for the Ultimate Universe and was laying the road for this in the back round of his Venom run. Sadly, his personal issues made him step away for awhile. But Jonathan Hickman is perfect for this. And he's writing the Illuminati again. Bryan Hitch's artwork. I'm as sold as I have ever been on any comic. Take care and peace everyone.

We hear about marvel the ultimates sense years ago

I'm still bitter on the ultimatum arc, the death of the heroes were unnecessary and is obviously edge bait.

Absolutely magnificent!! You should research smzeus!!!

Jack Kirby had an incredible imagination, and unparalleled artistic abilities, but he was not a great writer. People crap on Stan Lee, but he had the pizzazz and wordcraft in spades that those comic books needed at the time.

My favourite universe is back ❤ I am so hyped, after a year of has stories of Spider-Man 616, I hope that Ult. Peter Parker returns. I like Miles, but for me, the real Ultimate Spider-Man will awalys be Peter Parker. Imagine Bagley returns again, mannnn

I hope they bring back ultimate peter

I just hope that Ultimate Invasion will also put Jimmy Hudson, son of Ultimate Wolverine back into the comics at all. After he was merged with Poison and actually survived, he just vanished and for many years stayed forgotten by Marvel, even though he is just as interesting take on Wolverine's children as X-23 and Daken.