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Giancarlo Ravelo
Dominican Republic
Registrace 30. 09. 2014
¡Hello CZcams Community! My name is Giancarlo Ravelo. A self taught drummer born in the Dominican Republic with a passion for music, drums and extreme sports!
How to Master the Ankle Technique for Double Bass
#ankletechnique #anklemotion #doublebass #doublepedal #tutorial #doublebassdrumming
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Awesome playing!🎉
Thanks dude!
Drummers are elite. Wish i had the hand eye feet coordination to play drums lol
I'm self taught. I just, loved drums and started playing on a pillow with two sticks from a hanger and, here I am. Starting is not always the hard part 🫂
This is great, thank you. Would you say you have enough power at these speeds to cut through if you were, for example, playing a concert with nothing but the raw batter head and the kick drum mic?
You're welcome man! If the EQ is good and the sound engineer sets the correct parameters, you're able to get a decent sound our of the Kick drum mic up to certain tempos ( 150-160 and maybe 170 tops) However, the down side is that it if the venue / stage is big with a huge crowd it wouldn't work as much or when playing faster tempos. If you have the option to throw a trigger this will amplify the sound to play double bass patterns (from 180 to 200 BPM and above) louder and will cut through much more in a live setting.
What's the kit name?
Originally a TD-4. Did some recent upgrades.
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia oh nice 👍
Qual a marca do pedal? BRASIL AQUI🇧🇷❣️
A marca é Pearl Demon Drive. Dominican Republic aquí 🇩🇴
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia 🫰🏼🫰🏼
Put that doooown. Thats no real music!!!!!!
@@feedthemonkey83 Oh no!! I'm doomed 🫠🤦🏻♂️
@@GiancarloRaveloGarciadon’t listen to this dumbass
What my neighbor envisions: the guillotine 😂
🤣😬
Still too Damn loud....
Can't play too soft 🤷🏻♂️
@@GiancarloRaveloGarciasame for me on an acoustic drumset
I HAVE SAME SOUND STRENGTH ALL TIME CANT PLAY SOFT have to play like i do
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia It's meant as a joke😂
@@TruckdriverJONTEZZ That's the only way to keep up with acoustic kits that demand more strength 😝
💪🤙 🥁 !! greating from argentina 🇦🇷
Greetings dude! 🤘🏻💪🏻🔥
Hola, Sientes alguna diferencia al utilizar el resorte en el lado izquierdo del pedal?
Hola! No mucho, el pedal izquierdo se siente con un poco mas de tension ya que del lado del pedal derecho se siente un poco diferente por la inercia y la barra que agrega un poco mas de peso. Pero, cuando uso dos pedales sencillos se sienten mas nivelados.
I can try for ages and fail. Blessed are you who succeed. I do not know how to do.
I've failed many times at this. Failing is what leads to success. Consistency will take you places motivation can't. You can do this too if you commit and setup a practice plan!
I'm only now making progress with ankle motion (still not very precise, but I give it a month tops) after 4 years of trying. And I was literally spending at least 3 hours every week on this techniqe to make almost 0 progress up untill last month... Talk about frustration... So anyway keep pushing 💪
The good part is that between all the time an effort you've invested learning this technique you were able to identify what works for you. We all have different ways to learn and get our body used to things. Even if you feel you're not making progress, as you said. Keep pushing! You'll be glad you did 💪🏻
Thanks for the video. The only problem is, there's no way I can do that exercise at the end yet. Can you recommend any exercises for someone just starting out learning ankle technique? (I've been playing for 3 years and until now just played rock/heavy metal with a heel-up technique, until I hurt my knees from stomping too hard, separating my foot from the pedal and not using my calves and ankles enough).
You're welcome! Sorry to hear about you getting hurt. If you are feeling better, I'd recommend the following. - Play slowly at a comfortable speed for 1 or 2 bars and increase 5 BPM after every run until you reach the speed you struggle with (do not push hard to get thought to avoid more injuries). - In the video you can see some warmup exercises before you attempt the ankle technique. Try to isolate your hip flexors or any big muscle and focus on using your calves and ankles. Try to mimic bouncing a basketball with your ankles. - Attempt to swing the beater (even if you're not touching the bass drum head) to get the motion flowing until you feel relaxed hitting the notes and control the rebound. Let me know if this works out to see where you struggle the most after applying these principals.
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia Wow, thanks for the detailed answer! I'll definitely try these exercises!
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia Acabo de ver que eres dominicano. ¡Gracias de nuevo y saludos de Chile!
@@gringochucha No problem! Good luck 🤝🏻
@@gringochucha Siii! Haha. Saludos!
Great stuff dude! This would be like a dream to be able to play kicks smoothly like that!!
Thanks dude!! Sending you good vibes to play those kicks smoothly. Stay focused and consistent. You'll be glad you did 🙌🏻
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia Thanks man, maybe some day the dream will come true...
@@prod_adrian For sure man! Keep pushing 🤘🏻
nice. would you feel just as comfortable with chain drive ya think?
Of course. I like to switch from time to time. Both systems are able to handle various speeds and techniques.
This was so sick! Short sweet and to the point! Watched countless amount of videos like Samis but your vids just make sense! Good stuff brother 💪
Thank you for the kind words man! I really appreciate it 🙌🏻
Smooth technique man! You make it look too easy Lol this is like 4 years of practice shown in 1 minute video 😀
Thank you for the words man!! I think it took me more than 4 years to learn this thing haha.
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia You are welcome, dude! Yes absolutely, I was just guessing this number because some people on the internet do want to make it seem like its something that is learnable in 4-6 months, which is a pathetic JOKE in my eyes... I have been practising ankle motion alone for like 2 years and failed miserably, now i try my luck with HeelToe and just started practice from scratch!
@prod_adrian I can understand putting rigorous daily practice with A LOT of discipline can bring you closer to learn this "faster" but, honestly. You need to dream and breath Double Bass to make it happen haha. I personally use Heel up Double Strokes (a variation of Heel Toe) every now and then for the crazy fast stuff. However, I've been a single stroke player for most of my years playing drums. So, I use it sometimes as a second option 😆
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia Its just so mind-blowing how people have completely different progressions with this topic. It seems like some people never learn it to be honest, even after years of following for example Marthyns tips etc. Do not worry about HeelToe, if I could play like that with ankles I would just stick to that and perfect it. I think single strokes are way way cooler, but its just incredibly frustrating and daunting to learn, soulcrushing without the progress! Thats basically my only reason for trying HeelToe doubles technique... Might be my only chance for fast kicks.
@@prod_adrian We all have on thing that we need to focus on. And that's finding the way YOUR body reacts to these practices. I have taken more time to understand how my body reacts to apply the necessary tools to pursue my personal goal and pass it to others to help enhance their own work or just add one piece or more to the puzzle. I personally have played heel toe (heel up doubles to be exact) and find it fun at times but its awkward feeling throws me out of interest and I go back to my beloved single strokes (which is more of my nature). This is why I'm practicing daily due that singles are a high maintenance technique haha. Thanks again for the words!!
Thanks for making this video sir! Appreciate your hardwork. Is there any chance that I can communicate to you to show you my progress just incase? Thanks!
No problem! Yes, you can share your progress. Thank you for the words!
Can u do this again but not using triggers? Thnxs
Sure thing. Here's a video comparing two Heel Toe Techniques. czcams.com/users/shortsLiOvdXIZ0wU?si=3bBhm_TvZzburXlB This particular technique (Heel up Doubles) is more audible with triggers. You're not able to get a loud definition acoustically nor on a mesh head due to the dynamics and dead sound coming from the kick drum. However, the Heel Toe technique is a bit more audible but the technique changes to get louder strokes without triggers.
I personally generate more control, power, and speed from my whole leg
Nice! You're able to reach up to 175 BPM's with full leg motion. The only down side is that it burns your muscles quickly when going above this speed 🙁
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia I work on basic control exercises in a old book from the 1930s with a metronome 30 minutes some times a hour in a day. When my body rests builds back up it gets easier. It works my hip flexor for power to relax and maybe some shin muscles. It really helps all that.
@user-vm9hy7qx7c Totally valid! It's all about strengthening your muscle groups. If it works for you, that's what matters!
@user-vm9hy7qx7c Totally valid! It's all about strengthening your muscle groups. If it works for you, that's what matters!
That was beautiful, thanks. That 240 run at the end was so freaking smooth. It's incredible how this takes years, it's my journey too, I'm getting there and it feels amazing when you finally see the light :)
Thank you for the words!! Indeed, it can take less time if you have discipline and practice regularly. Yes!! Hard work definitely pays off. Wishing you the best through your journey. You can do this!
How is it strong?
Strong as in how hard I'm hitting the kick drum?
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia u like direct drives more than chain? what is spring tension? GREAT WORK man!!
@youaresoft-ee4ub I do! Chain is great for control. Direct Drive is more accurate fast and precise. My spring tension is maxed. Thank you for the words!! I appreciate it.
Hey Bro, powerful help ! . One question : Pedal Settings ???
Hey! Current pedal settings are the following: - Max spring tension. - Factory footboard height (not to high not to low). - Beater distance is 40ish degrees away from the head. - Beater height is medium.
Hola Bro, sé que es personal, pero qué configuración usas en tus pedales ?.
Hola! Esta es la configuración actual en mis pedales: - Tension maxima en los resortes. - La altura de la plataforma del pedal esta de fabrica. - La distancia de los mazos es de algunos 40 y algo de centímetros del parche del bombo. - La altura de los mazos es medio. No muy altos ni muy bajos. Saludos.
Excelente técnica...felicidades Bro.🦶🏾🦵🏾💪🏾👍🏾🥁
Gracias hermano!! Aprecio las palabras 🙏🏻💪🏻🤘🏻
Is this spring from the axis?
They are not. Those are Pearl's stock springs. I just painted them black.
thank you for the lesson sir! Just a question, is it okay if I also train the heel toe technique in my practice time with ankle technique exercise? I want to learn both techniques. Thanks!
You can. However, I suggest you work on one technique at a time until you develop control, speed and endurance on both. For example: Practice the Ankle Technique at a confortable tempo until your max speed and make it a day. Next time practice Heel Toe with the same method. The goal is to train the muscles until you feel you can switch between techniques with ease.
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia this is noted sir! I think I should be focusing on ankle motion first before jumping to another technique. I tried to start in a very low tempo like 100bpm for each foot to make sure that I'm doing the right motion and technique, is this too slow or its okay to start with? thanks again sir!
@@kimcarig714 The Ankle Motion comes into play when playing tempos above 150 or 170 BPM which is hard to keep up only with full leg motion. You can start warming up with full leg motion at 100 until you reach your max tempo using this technique. Then, if you can't play at a certain tempo try implementing the ankle technique. I'll be uploading a more detailed video on how to start getting into the ankle motion. Feel free to check it out once its uploaded :) Cheers.
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia oh I see. If my tempo is in 100bpm, I'm not using ankle motion, its the leg motion? Thank you sir. Looking forward to that video :)
@kimcarig714 That is correct. You can play with full leg motion at slower speeds. The Ankle Motion is useful at higher BPM's as mentioned. The video is up on my channel already. Here's the link: czcams.com/video/Wc0j1BYEghs/video.htmlsi=lCfP-zqFOoOSlncf Cheers.
Feel like ankle doesnt hold up against real live kick volume demands
That would depend on the kick / mic / trigger settings. Triggers can amplify the sound and rise the volume in crowed venues / stages etc.
Literally anyone can do this with triggers. Sounds like shit compared to a real bass drum.
Yup, anyone can do this out of the blue!
@GiancarloRaveloGarcia Takes about a week of practice for a guitar player to get it down.
@@Mike-qy9zf I'd give it a few minutes. They're very talented.
Hi there, could u share ur personal setup (spring tension, beater distance, board distance etc.) for demon drive?
Sure thing! Spring tension is maxed (more than stock actually). Beater distance is somewhat 40ish degrees, footboard height is at stock setting (in the middle mark).
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia thank you soo much! it`s help me a lot..
@adenindra2506 You're welcome! Glad it helped 🙌🏻
Tengo unas canciones compuestas por mi de Black... Te animas a hacerles la batería?
Actualmente no tengo el tiempo disponible para componer hermano. Pero, gracias por el gesto! Saludos.
Can you do it on an acoustic kit
I certainly can.
Hey Giancarlo! So I seem to be very comfortable with the ankle technique on the pedals without the kick drum/ pad - I just keep the beater swinging by using my calf muscles. But once I bring in the kick pad/drum, I notice that my hamstring muscles also start to get activated. Would you happen to know why and how can I find the issue?
You encounter this because you're striking a surface when playing a drum / kick pad instead of swinging the beaters freely without any impact. Normally, your hip flexor muscles are also activated and this is where you have to release any tension from them or your hamstrings and only focus on using your calves to control the ankle fatigue (due to your ankles continuously moving). Relaxing is key when playing this technique.
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia I appreciate and thank you for your response :) Perhaps I need to pay attention to my hip flexor muscles when practicing with the kick pad/drum. My hamstring muscles seem to activate involuntarily, and so I need to find a way to relax them. Would you be open to communicating further (only if necessary) on FB or IG messenger?
@paperpuli No problem. Once you learn how to isolate the muscle groups you'll be able to control the ankle motion without difficulties. Sure. My IG is @ggravelo Cheers.
Giancarlo, how do you prevent the involuntary twitching from taking over at that point?
Besides relaxing, focus on using your calves more to release the tension from the ankles. The more you relax the faster the twitching will be gone. Specially at higher tempos.
Brutal deathcore 😊❤
Seamless footwork! How would you rate these roland kd9 kicks compared to an actual bass drum? God bless you, brother.
Thanks mate!! KD9's are not my fave. But, if you're under a budget they're decent. I would aim for a mesh pad with tension rods. An actual bass drum is always better. Cheers 🙏🏻
@@GiancarloRaveloGarcia I see. Even then your performance is great, I'm currently at 160 but finally got a hang of the ankle motion in one of these kd9s, so your technique completely blew me out of the water lol
@metalliclark86 Haha. Thank you for the words man! I appreciate it. Glad that you got the hang of the ankle technique. Wishing progress and evolution to your playing. Keep pushing!
Demon vs Axis? Who wins?
Each one has some features. Axis is easier to play, lighter, faster. The DD's are more adjustable and hit harder. It all comes down to personal preference.
なんで最初にオナラしたんや…
Nice! What are your trigger settings like threshold, retrig cancel and mask time? I have a hard time dialing in my ontriggers
Thanks man!! Right now I'm using a TD6v to trigger with a Roland KD-30k and the settings are different than the one I use for On Triggers. I suggest you work with a medium / low Threshold 5-8 Retrig Cancel around 2-5 Mask Time at 2.0 it will depend on how tight the tension on your pedal's springs are as well if you're playing on a rubber / mesh pad or an acoustic kick drum. Experiment and see which one fits your playing. Cheers 🤘🏻
Is it just heel down?
My shins would give up on me if it was heel down haha. It's basically heel up lowering your heels as much as possible. Its more like the "flat foot" technique.
that's not german grip
It has a twist to it.
Belleza absoluta.
Gracias hermano!! Saludos.
Axis or demon drive?
Axis
Beautiful technique!
Thanks man!!
Hi man! Can you please share your pedal settings?
Hey man. Sure! I mostly use max spring tension or 85% when playing other things. Beater distance is around 40/45 degrees, footboard height is relatively low and that's about it! Cheers.
this guy has mastered heel toe technique very well: czcams.com/video/tNg_9b8FBhA/video.htmlsi=JU58Xx6t19hbduGt&t=346
Wanja sure did!
how do you approach patterns? 4,5,7,9,11 stroke rolls etc
Nothing in particular. I just... play haha.
Would you say you need direct drive for this technique?
You do not. Using a tight spring tension and relatively medium tight drum head would help with the rebound.
Or you can also loosen your spring tension on the pedals with tightening the bass drum heads . Either way works fine , it depends on which settings you’re comfortable with .
Sueño con poder tocar así 😅
Es posible si te lo propones 😉
Good work!
Thank you! Cheers 🤘🏻
AWESOME! 🎉
Thanks man!! 🤘🏻😄