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Thanks for the updates on the issues. I've really loved my outback wilderness because it provides a good balance between a daily driver and the ability to still get out in the back country. The stuttering stops had concerned me when I first started feeling them, but they did get less noticeable as I put more miles on the car. I'm glad to know it seems to be more of a normal functionality, although it still is not desirable as it tends to speed up during the down shifting when trying to stop sometimes. I'll have to check in with the dealer and see if the relearning will help out. Thanks for also pointing out some other things to keep an eye on, I wouldn't have thought about the front seal so that was very helpful.

Personally I think 245/65R17 on the OBW is a big mistake. Firstly for ride. They are rated to carry almost 600lbs more per tire than the 225/65R17.....111 weight rating vs 102. So if you keep OE pressures the ride is going to be much stiffer just from the design of the tire. Secondly, they look silly so jammed in the wheel well (proximity to lower corners) that it just looks like you're trying to make it something it's not. You need that room for mud/snow build-up, depending on what you do with the vehicle. Thirdly, and really most importantly, I don't think people realize how much power they are taking away when they go up in tire sizes. The OBW has 8% shorter gearing than the standard Outback. When you go 245/65R17 tires, you are giving 4% of that back. Most people think the only difference is the tire weight, but that's false. With a larger tire, the engine has to move the 4000lbs vehicle further with every rotation of the tire. That reduces available power/TQ. Plus your actual speed is 4% higher than indicated, which could possibly toy with some of the drivetrain electronics...shouldn't, but might. Could also put a bit more strain on the CVT, especially when trying to crawl over something from a stop because the larger tires mimic taller gearing. I did go 235/65R17 on my '24 OBW and have had zero issues. The weight rating on them is only 104, which is only about 110LBS more per tire, so ride was not affected. Looks much better in the wheel well, and only put gearing out 2% from OE. With my RalliTEK coils only and 235's I gained 1" ground clearance, and for the vehicle that it is, that's more than enough.

Thank you for the update. I’m glad that you spoke to the issue of the chattering when applying to brakes. When I next take my wilderness into Subaru for service request the “relearn”for my CVT.

Makes sense. My clunkyness feels like downshifting almost. The rpm’s change when it does for lack of a better term.

Thanks for the update! The stuttering - I experience it in my 24 XT Touring from about 3k mi to current (at 3.3k mi). We have an 18 Crosstrek and don’t have that issue. In fact the Crosstrek has been bulletproof since new and we’re at 43k mi and has even been on 15” Methods and Yoko G015’s since new.

Always great to get a follow up video! Thanks!

I tried the "relearn". It did nothing for the wobble. My CVT starting failing at 62,000, was replaced at around 70,000 and the replacement CVT has even a worse wobble on acceleration.

I recommend Falken Wildpeaks over BFG for this purpose, but I get wanting to run what you know. The Falkens are fantastic though. Full recommend.

Please follow up when you have all of the issues addressed. As an owner of a 2024 myself I'm anxious to know the final outcome.

If you search for "CVT Common Operating Characteristics" and find the result from Subaru Canada, their page explains in detail all the weird quirks the CVT-equipped cars have. Including whining noises, odd torque converter behaviors that are unique to this style transmission, and other possibly concerning things. I don't know if Subaru America has a similar page, I can't find it

The only problems in life that if you don't do anything about it they will go away.

I have Nitto Nomad Grapplers on my 2024 CT, and I have 24k miles on them and have had no issues. I know it’s not an OBW, but I wonder if you just got a bad set of tires.

Does anyone else hear a sound that sounds like a "DONG" that happens after driving for a while? From what been able to find on reddit, someone posted a video with the exact same sound and everyone was diagnosing this as a sound coming from the AC pump. When I turn the AC in the car off or turn the fans all the way off, this noise stops. Does anyone know what the real cause of this is and if there is a way to fix it?

Duuuude! Thank you! :D

Thanks for the follow up, I’ll take mine in about the “relearn.”

My son-in-law is having a good experience with his.

Very interesting. I’m glad you posted this. I’m guessing the “wobble” that folks feel when accelerating (me included) is also the torque converter. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fake shifting they have programmed the CVT to do. I too, have been considering the next set of tires, I’m pushing 30k now and plan to replace them before winter. I had Falken Wildpeak and the Nitto Grapplers on my short list. I’m looking forward to hear what more you learn. Also, you’re absolutely right about Reddit being a rabbit hole. A lot of good information but it can be a real chore getting it flushed out.

ADF makes a CVT anti wobble bushing and a Rear Differential Lock Out Bushings, those might help some, are pretty inexpensive and look easy to install. They are on my short list of future mods.

Wife's Crosstrek had a whine from the CVT (noticeable at low speeds) - ended up needing to have the CVT replaced. My OBW never had the whine, but I was thoroughly disappointed with the performance of the CVT with that turbo engine. I have a sneaking suspicion that the CVT cannot handle the full torque of the engine in at low speed, so Subaru purposely "upshifts" the ratios to decrease load. It happened on my 2020 Outback Onyx XT and my 2022 OBW. Annoyed the snot out of me. I tried to live with it... but I couldn't. Traded it for a 2024 Chevy Colorado ZR2 and haven't regretted it.

All due respect get a real tire like BFG KO3! I run ko2s and I absolutely love them in all weather and conditions. They have also worn better than any other tire I have ran.

Ive had that jumping feeling when slowing down. Only thing I dislike about my 24 OBW.

That's interesting about the tires. I've had the nomads on my FW for around 19k miles and haven't had a single issue with them yet. Good to hear the other issues were figured out.

I live in Dayton Ohio and have the same outback wilderness as yours are there any good trails near me within say 3 hour drive that you could recommend?

Thanks for the update I can rest easy now knowing your issues are mostly sorted. Damn shame on the Nomads was considering it but after hearing they suck in the snow and are loud I will be sticking with the G015 for the time being. Glad you got your Mojo back, you do ride them hard and I figured the best person to discovery a fault would be you. Anyway keep us posted on the transmission leak if it is that dying minds want to know.

I've heard good things about the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss tires. They are all terrains, but triple mountain and such so should be good. Maybe something to consider.

Thanks for the update. Having read how so many other OBW owners experienced the same issue, caused potentially by the tork converter, it was concerning to say the least. Question, can you explain sponsorship for your channel? Does CZcams charge you to upload a segment? Or is it just a promo, plug or commercial more so than financial compensation? Curious how that all works? I get sponsoring a little league team that needs money for expenses to field a team, uniforms, travel etc. I get it if you're flying to Switzerland to film a segment on skiing or mountain climbing costing a ton of money and needing sponsorship to help pay for how expensive a trip that would be. But sitting in your garage to film a segment and then uploading it, is doing that type of segment expensive? Don't get me wrong, I do understand it takes a considerable amount of time and effort to film and edit your content. Just curious about the whole sponsorship element works considering some creators do it and others don't. Thanks, I always enjoy your segments. Being from the south, I sure could use some sort of a brisket sponsorship.

Good luck brother, pretty confident those are the causes!

What kind of lights do you have mounted inside the grill? Are there any special mounting brackets?

Do the Grapplers still allow you to fit your full size spare in its spot?

Grateful

98000 on my 2021 Subaru Forester. 2” lift and other mods. Never an issue with this car.

I'm adding this as a second comment because I didn't think about it until now and it is important... I have found that the Subie. Reacts very good to the adaptive cruise control a lot of the issues are just not even existent! Thus I run the car in the cruise as much as humanly possible... The pedal to engine is just not??? Just not... I don't even use the throttle/ brake, unless I actually need to.

Hey man, i love your videos. Im about to buy my first NEW Subaru. I have a '13 Impraza i ourcjased used when i was driving from Montgomery AL to Dayton OH. I WANT AN OUTBACK WILDERNESS. In the next 3 months im buying a Crosstek (non wilderness) for my wife. But then its my turn. I have been digesting all the OBW videos i can find. Your last couple have me concerned. I hate CVTs but its becoming somwthing i have to dela with. I normally cruise my little impreza between your trouble speed and about 20mph higher. Cvt is smooth with no issues. I need to know if this is a special just for you problem or if everyones getting it. Im not seeing complaints online. Also, if youre ever in the Dayton area and want to just chat Subaru, id love to meet up and pick your brain and share my expeirences as well.

Maybe try a fuel system flush

Within two to three months of newly purchasing my 2023 OBW had a loose bolt on the roof rack, a paint run in rear spoiler (obviously done at the factory) and a deformity in the front passenger seat. I complained to SOA and they gave me a free 6yr/80,000 mile gold plus warranty. Three weeks ago (with 17,700 miles), I had the driver seat bottom replaced due to crumbling foam. When I brought the loaner home I saw oil on my garage floor. I told the dealership to check my car for a leak. They discovered that the number two cylinder spark plug tube seal leaked oil. It sat at the dealership for two weeks in 90 degree+ heat waiting for the part. Apparently their entire computer system was hacked and caused delays in receiving parts. While my car was sitting in the dealership lot, it was dinged twice. They repaired the dings with PDR and fixed the leak, so it’s been OK, but man, such a headache. On the bright side, sitting in the heat all that time must have relaxed the interior, because the interior no longer has squeaks or rattles. So, that’s pretty cool. Anyway, I have never had so many issues with a new car in my life. I highly doubt I will ever buy a Subaru again. I’ll just drive this thing until the warranty gets close to expiring. It’s a shame, because it is generally a fun and versatile car, and my dealership treats me very well. And please, I don’t want excuses. I’m over the days of making excuses for cars. I’ve had cars that performed flawlessly for over 160,000 miles. By the way, the service manager at my dealership told me that the OBW CVT costs about $8,000.00.

Thanks! All good words from the wise! From Oklahoma

2 sets of Nitto tires on my truck gradually had a rougher ride with mileage. 3 of tge first set, tyen 2 more of the 2nd set ended up with broken steel belts. Warranty was the onlybreason I got a 2nd set. After the 2nd onnI just spent the money on some BF Goodrich's. I won't buy Nitto tires anymore. Just a possibility.

Get a Ford raptor , a jeep, or a bronco , you know who drives Subarus, my wife, who now might as well be a lesbian because she drives one, the off roading she does is the half mile of gravel road near work 😂 storm chasing in a Subaru 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nerd

You hippy geek, maybe get a real vehicle, its not an off roader bud

I've put my 2022 through the ringer. Just did a mild Jeep trail yesterday... I think the Subie Outback wilderness CVT is a clucky, quirky, weird, system... I've experienced all those issues. My last Subaru was a 15 WRX manual and tuned. I ran autocross and Track days and had it up to 155mph. Outback up to 125ish. If I'm driving "sporty" I use the manual setting on the transmission to keep the RPMs where I want. Same thing with going down steep hills off-road I just lock it into first or 2nd when I'm out of the downhill descent range.... I wish they made their CVT "shift" more like a side-by-side. But it is what it is, a quirky strange vehicle that does things that most wagons can't. So far I it is not left me stranded! I won't keep any new modern vehicle longer than 8 years... The systems and electronics are just so overly complicated that it's not worth repairing. When the repairs end up costing as much as the vehicle is worth. One more insight along this line is I have 2 million miles of semi truck driving. We will not keep any new Truck once the warranty is out for the reasons mentioned above.

Sell it Josh and get a Toyota hybrid Rav 4 for wife daily and storm chasing. You would build it out and it would look 🔥

There is an aftermarket CVT "Anti wobble" rubber insert that is pretty easy to install. See other youtube videos about it.

Yes, hunting for gears but it is a CVT??? My thought is that the turbo has time limiter on it, or something like that. So the turbo kicks in and before your done accelerating it turns off and the car slows. The you nudge the gas pedal a little and the turbo kicks in again, creating an oscillation of MPH. I notice it also when cruise control is on the mph will vary even though the mph is set with the cruise control. Granted, I live in the mountains and my highway driving is up and down hills constantly. I simply blame it on the engine not having enough power to push the car without the ample aid of the turbo.

We have a 2024 OBW, and I can honestly say our Subaru experiment is pretty much over. We have about 15K miles on it. We've done some mild off roading in it. Mostly just graded dirt, and nothing flexing the suspension. I've been experiencing a power lag from a stop. There is a very noticeable delay, like a dead pedal for 1 to 2 seconds when taking off. As for the CVT, well now that it's summer (we live in Bullhead/Laughlin area) the heat is most definitely affecting it. When it over heats, it slips, and there is a very noticeable torque loss. The car in general "feels" loose, and full of noises that were not there when new. I have a year and a half lef on the lease, and will not be purchasing it, or leasing another. We normally do quite a bit off roading, and I just don't trust this car.

Probably messed it up during the first 1000 mile break in period.

I came from a lifted Volvo xc70 with 200k on it and the quality was way better and more reliable then my 1st 19 forester I have now, I hate it it feels cheap lack of power, surging now I’m starting to have issues with it hard starting like it has a dead battery but it’s brand new and now Im wishing I wouldn’t have sold my Volvo

This channel goes through such an insane number of vehicles. Just scrolling through the last few years alone, there's a 2021 gladiator, a 2022 Subaru outback wilderness, a used lexus GX460, a 2022 sprinter, a 2022 ram power wagon, a 2024 outback wilderness (seemingly replaced mostly because the new model had a heated steering wheel and better sound system?!), a 2024 ford raptor. None of these vehicles are cheap to begin with and then they all get massively expensive off road modifications and camping builds. I've little doubt the issues described in this video will eventually be used as justification for trading in another like-new vehicle chasing the next big thing. This is honestly bonkers to me, I'd love to know your income and how much negative equity you're rolling into these loans. Even if you have like a $400k software engineer income, spending like this has got to be hard to maintain

Valid issue points. I love the Subaru's I've had over the years. But in my case. the newest year and model I've had is 2016 Outback, I bought new. I've own 7 of them over the years. But I won't buy another Subaru intel they change the drive train. If you google 2024 Outback issues. You will find, it's reliable, isn't there in the newest outback model. There are a lot of complaints and you're not alone. I'm a Subi fan. But I know when the jig is up. And take a break from the unreliability they are putting owners through. My suggestions will differ from your own. Either help what you have or make a change. Will keep watching.

Just picked up a 2024 OBW this past weekend, upgraded from a ‘19 Impreza. Sooo stoked.

When you’re going to 80-85 and the rpm’s are fluctuating, have you tried taking your foot off of the accelerator for a second or two then reapplying? 2. My 16 legacy does the same thing you’re describing coming to a stop. Seems to happen around 4th gear and it’s been doing it for a long time now. Sort of stutters or binds as it’s stopping.