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@@850Tech True but the 4K 24/25/30p is really sharp and nice and good autofocus so still a nice camera 👍

@@CarlBergsdorf you are correct mate it's super sharp with sigma primes . I am using Da Vinci Resolve Retime controls to cheat slow motion 😃

@@magji2000 did you even watch the video? This is about NOT slowing down 60 fps to 24 but for those who wants to record in 60 fps and export in 60 fps.

I think you're right; it's definitely better to record 60fps at 1/60.

Peter Jackson did that because he had to deliver a 3D version and a 2D version of the Hobbit.

@@bigrobotnewstoday1436 WRONG. That may be a factor for choosing the FRAMERATE. But I’m talking about the SHUTTER ANGLE/SPEED (the topic of the video). The shutter remains the same in 2-D and 3-D versions.

@@quintomedia Wrong you brought up Peter Jackson. In a interview he was talking about finding a frame rate that would be a good balance between 3D and 2D.

You proved my point.

The Hobbit in 48fps is an abomination!! It had a very cheap video look to it!! 270degrees or not. It didnot help, only when I saw it in 23.976 fps was it cinematic again.

60FPS is always great. 24FPS looks like shit.

It does make sense

If you want to grab a still, 1/125 is definitely the right choice; however, if you want natural motion blur I'd argue that 1/60 is the better shutter speed when filming 60fps.

@@mrlightwriter Not just that but if you want to slow it down which is usually why someone would shoot 60p to begin with, You will also need 1/125th, otherwise you will get weird edges or it will NOT look right if you shoot at 1/60th.

@@ekphotography I agree with your reasoning. However, there is one reason to film at 60fps that affects hundreds of million of people: when filming with a smartphone. Without the ability to change the shutter speed (and using ND filters is out of the question to the vast majority), the only way to mitigate the staccato motion at 30 fps is to film at 60fps, providing a much smoother experience. This even works with very high shutter speeds - 1/500 and above - although it's not perfect, of course.

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Yeah if slowed down one should likely no go below 24 fps unless going for a choppy old timey effect or something 😄

Could you specify what’s not correct with the video?

@@CarlBergsdorf Just about everything you said.

He is correct. If you always use the 180 degree rule without understanding historical origins you are just blindly following CZcamsr dogma

@@quintomedia your reply is literally that dogma. In a nutshell, the "rules" around frame rate are simply used to resemble the motion blur of the human eye. People don't think that shutter speed should always be twice the frame rate unless that is their goal. The choice is "motion blur or no motion blur" and the people's choice is to like it or not. Granted, he did mention all of that in the video, but none of this is exclusive to CZcams. I never said that anyone should always use the 180° rule, but definitely should've elaborated on why I said the explanation in the video is incorrect. Understanding shutter speed, shutter angles, frame rates, exposure time, etc. is a tool not a rule. I get it, we're on CZcams so if I don't specify that I do this professionally then I can't expect you to know. I guess what I'm getting at is that if the information isn't given to these people to elevate how they apply their passion for video, then it's wrong. Wanting to use 60fps doesn't mean that it should be palatable for everyone. Especially if the goal is for people to watch, like, and subscribe in larger numbers. Unless it's just my preference, but what I can see here visually at 60fps just isn't it. I've tried going through a whole discussion with my family about something like this to see what can be appealing to try when I started working in film and commercial production because CZcams was pushing 60fps content quite a bit. What I can say is that I choose settings aiming at a specific look to edit, not always specific to 23.976 fps. This isn't an argument either. As CZcams goes my comment will either be seen as rambling, arguing, or taken for exactly what it is.

​​@@FermionBecProductions so what is your point? Could you elaborate on your point instead of just "rambling"? I don't understand what does your family have to do with all this or even the fact you are or aren't a professional? Just explain how you see the concepts of motion blur, shutter angle and their relationship, why and when to use a specific angle and frame rate, why the guy is wrong and what are the consequences of following his advice as oppose of doing it by the book. It's fairly simple, you just have to write it down. We all know there are situations where the rule could be broken effectively and situations where it's not a good idea to do it. Just explain yourself clearly.

I get what you mean, I think some call it the soap opera effect or if that is something else but yeah it’s not for everyone and not for every type of video.

Glad to be of help 😃 Thanks for watching!

This video is mainly about motion blur but you’re totally right about NTSC and PAL. If there are light sources that can cause flicker it’s best to set the region to the correct one (NTSC or PAL) and a shutterspeed that does not cause the light to flicker in the recording.

But then what is the point of 60fps if its only really 50. The file is gonna be larger with the same amount of real frames as 50fps.

@@theepaxio oh I didn’t realise I wouldn’t be able to slow it down Like I said I’m just starting out and your comment might’ve saved me a real headache Thanks

Awesome it could be of use to you 👍 It has come to my attention that you shouldn’t go lower that 1/frame rate so if you’re recording in 60 fps, don’t go lower than 1/60, etc. Thank you for watching 🙏

It makes it sharper but less motion blur, To be honest i do prefer slow motion without blur most of the time.

If you’re intending to slow 60 fps down to 24/30 fps timeline it can be nice with a higher shutterspeed. But if I’m recording in 60 fps to play it at 1x speed I like to be around 1/60 or 1/80 for a more natural motion blur.

@@CarlBergsdorf why the heck would you ent to do that actually? Just shoot it at 24 or 30 fps...

@@ekphotography he said why at the beginning of the video -- 60fps content is getting more popular on social media. If you're making content for those platforms, and you'd like to be involved with those trends, knowing how to shoot in 60fps for 1x is important

@@ekphotography The reason I want to shoot and upload in 60fps rather than 24fps or 30fps is that if I am doing panning motions, then I get very noticeable jitter. In my context, it takes away the focus I want the viewer to have on the subject. By shooting at 60fps, the jitter is much less noticeable, but now the moving subject looks less natural when I stick to the 60fps 1/120 rule you hear everywhere. So, I shoot at 1/60, keeping my desired motion blur and at the same time benefiting from more light because I am shooting dancers in low light. If I want to, I can also export the video at 30fps if I need to reduce the file size or if people play the video at 30fps because CZcams reduces it to 30fps. I don’t care if it looks as if it were recorded with 30fps and 1/60 shutter with the disadvantage that panning looks less smooth, but the advantage that the file size is smaller. I think that’s how it works, but I am not 100% sure; maybe I missed something.

Hi! No problem at all, I’m happy to share. In camera I have Log Shooting turned On so no PP. I’ll have to check my export settings in Davinci once I get home so let me get back to you on that.

@@CarlBergsdorf Absolutely!! Thanks for replying man

​@@everInfinity Alright so I think it's either the following I usually use or if I just used the CZcams 2160p preset for this video. Either way give it a try and see if it works for you :) Custom Export Format: MP4 Codec: H.265 Encoder: Auto Network Optimization: Yeh Resoultion: (Same as your timeline) 3840x2160 or such Frame rate: (Same as TL) Quality restrict to 30000 kb/s Encoding Profile: Main Key Frames: Every 25 frames Frame Reordering: Nah Rate Control: Variable Bitrate Preset: Medium Tuning: High Quality Two Pass: Disable Lookahead: 16 frames Disable adaptive I-frame at scene cuts: Nah Enable adaptibe B-frame: Yeah AQ Strength: 8 Enable non-reference P-frame: No Enable weighted prediction: Hell nah I didn't touch anyting under advanced settings or Subtitle in this preset. Hope this helps my dude 🙏

@@CarlBergsdorf I'm shocked this is only exported at 30kbps bitrate because it looks insanely sharp. Maybe your lens + aperture + lighting combo is just yielding very clear image quality. Thanks for the update on rendering settings though!

Lol playing the long game 😂 awesome to hear, I think it’s easy to get stuck to certain rules when we first start learning about this stuff and just assume that’s always right but we can do whatever we want that we like so keep experimenting with stuff 👍 Thank you for watching!

Thank you for watching! 🙏

Good for you trying things out, worst thing is that its true but better find out for yourself instead of anyone telling on 🤌

DONT do 60fps at 1/50, at that point its just 30fps duplicated to 60. Use 1/60, if lights are flickering then 1/100 or 50fps 1/50

Flicker may depend on the lights frequency...a lot of lights are LED now....in the past you had tungsten, florescent, ect Also if you film a tv screen you can see a weirdness with different shutterspeeds or frame rates. If you are ever doing filming for broadcast or cinema....that's when PAL matters because tv channels have to adhere to PAL or NTSC. so you have to....otherwise you will fail their QC on delivery. Really bad....and it is not easy almost impossible to fix footage shot in the wrong frame rate.

Thank you! 🙏

Good idea! Sounds like a really smart compromise without offering too much on either end. I’m going to give this a go also next time I don’t know for sure if it’s going to be slow motion or regular speed. Thank you for the tip

Sadly no, not that I could find. Best I can offer is to use either one of the Fn menu to Var. Shutter or bind a key to Var. Shutter Select to quickly toggle it on/off. I hope this is of some help and thank you for watching 😊

@@CarlBergsdorf Great idea! Thank you for the response!

@@AdamRana No problem! Btw do you know of the Different Set for Still-Mv setting? Otherwise I recommend checking that out. It won’t help with this specific problem but it’s pretty nice to separate shutter speed and picture profile for example between stills and movie mode 👍

Good idea! I haven’t tested but I reckon it should be the same 👍 Good luck!

Sony a6700 and I believe the lens was mostly the Viltrox 23mm f/1,4 if that’s interesting.

​@@CarlBergsdorfVideo looks great, i want to shoot 4K 60fps without compromising.

Thank you very much 🙏😃

@@CarlBergsdorf btw i am getting it! It seems like a great deal

I know it’s also a rule about the cameras position and not crossing ”an invisble line” or something but it’s also a thing when it comes to shutterspeed. Quote from PolarPros website: ”The 180-degree rule is a standard in the film industry, and it explains the relationship between shutter speed and frame rate when recording motion in video. To mimic motion the same way the human eye experiences it in real life, the 180-degree rule states that shutter speed should be set to double your frame rate.”

@@CarlBergsdorf they are also wrong. It's kina a "myth" that it's about shutter angle. There was never such a rule in the "cinematographers handbook" it's just some recent thing that people started calling it the 180 rule, even though that's something completely else edit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180-degree_rule

@@maxmeyer6395 Alright, I'll take your word for me. Thank you for letting me know! I'll promise to stop spreading misinformation from now on 🙏

@@CarlBergsdorf all good, happens. Just wanted to let you know. edit: just a side note: you may wanna edit the title to "180 degree shutter angle rule" as to not cause confusion with said "180 degree rule"

You could say that their are 2 180 degree rules....I don't know if that makes a total of 360 degrees lol....one Is about filming for consistency of screen direction (walter murchs 2d plane) The other is the idea of proportionality of motion blur to shutterspeed