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Bows didn’t need a nerf. I’m a pretty high skilled player and I didn’t have a single problem with bows given the major downsides of the weapon. Very easy to play around. If a player is good enough to destroy me with a bow he’s just good and I need to refine my playing.

90% of people use hand cannons in pvp , and bungie nerf bows...makes alot of sense , im a 100% flick bow user ( dont use swap) and sucks

I was wondering why when i returned to destiny bows felt like dogshit.. la monarque with increased damage from orb of power from 3 years ago is now dead and forgoten 😔

Has things changed? I’m getting back in and want to use nothing but bows.

This was the most comprehensive video showcasing the real issues I never even thought about. I am in no way a bow user and I hate it do to the skilless playstyles you mentioned that people would click away from. I honestly found this trying to find a hynra video of a guy I saw using a bow in a way i could respect. This video has given me a new appreciation for bows and the issues that plague PVP.

Right now trying to play bow in pvp is hurting my mental health

I stopped playing right before this, lord they killed my baby bow . NOOOO

For some time now I've been searching for guidance on how to improve while I approach the skill ceiling that destiny 2 has to offer, looking for new techniques and rollouts/rotations, teamplay examples and overall strength in a raw 1v1. While I think these things are valuable, and I am already learning them, mental health really is something I struggle with in my day-to-day life and it truly is my anxieties that bring down my gameplay. This has helped me realize that what will ultimately push me past my greatest heights is understanding when it's time for me to stop, take a break, and learn to be alright with the possibility of my failure or shortcomings. I feel very passionately about destiny 2's PvP, and my personal performance with my playstyle is something that affects me mentally. I play with a lot of players that I respect or look up to, and I see myself struggle under pressure. I recently played a session with Illphysics in his low-to-mid-level labs, and I found myself being anxious, snappy and impatient because I have immense respect for what he does and who he is. I was told that I was higher than the average skill that he wanted for the teams, and I ended up underperforming massively because of the way that this expectation affected my anxieties, and not necessarily due to my player skill. Thank you for helping me in this revelation; I will do better.

Why this didnt get more views, yours points are literally spot on. Never been more in an agreement with a video in my life.

Long live wishender

Using bows is a skill 👌 and I miss it 😢

Why not just increase time to switch from a bow?

1000% agree

also I never really understood how bows are a advantage with two shot. That just means it's already not an awp. Also for people who say you can peek with bows, you can peak with hand canons too or almost any gun no?

I've been trying to learn bow for a few months now, haven't gotten it down. Hopefully I can at least finish my video before they do this

bow didnt get nerfed, They got buffed for pc, now console players cant use bows as well :(

Why reduce bow damage at all? It still has the longest time to kill.....

Real bow mains use the bow to get the finalblow not the second weapon. but we are getting nerfed because of bow swapping randoms

spot on

As someone who loved using bows since the start of Forsaken, I have to admit that even Aim assist on bows really kill it, especially if another opponent runs in your sights, that it tracks the guy that runs through it.

Sad. Got here after trying my new bow in crucible and finding out i cannot play agro anymore. Over the course of a few games i degraded to line-peeking with Lemonarque to be of any use...

What a fucking video. Couldn't have said it better myself. ❤❤❤

Hell no.... your changes are toxic.... i want my bows back to pre nerf

Just don t agree to your view they should have not be touched at all

Man, I came back and found out they nerfed bows just now. I played the aggro play style in Crucible, and was more careful in trials. But this nerf makes me feel stupid running around with a bow, it is an inferior weapon, why would I use it.

Trinity Ghoul is op Whit the Event Scout +Kaskade

First up, great video. Really high quality and one of the best, if not the best destiny video I've seen in a while. Some questions and opinions on the bow situation. If you make the perfekt draw time smaller like hynra suggested, wouldn't you just be able to spam reload draws to indefinitely hold the draw anyways and extend the perfect draw? Sure that's a small skillgap, but not really hard enough to outweigh the benefits. I think the changes bows received were an emergency way to get rid of the main problem, which is a primary weapon Sniper rifle. Yes you can still use them as a Sniper rifle supetitute, but you're not oneshot to almost anything in the game after just one shot anymore. It's easier to overwhelm bow players now, due to shotguns and fusions having way less availability and the rounds you play against bows, rare as they may be, have become way more enjoyable, because the game doesn't just grind to a halt anymore. Wishender being the only outlier still. This might have killed the agressive playstile for now, which don't get me wrong I hate that such a cool way of playing had to die for lanecamping andy's sins, but I hope that in the future they'll revisit this to implement a better fix. I espetially enjoyed the IB bow with swash and getting oneshot sprees. As a side note this also happened with sniper rifle bodyshot DMG. Mechabre could one tap in the body with swash, which made a uniquely agressive Sniper playstile viable, now that's gone. I think one way they could help is by increasing swash and Adrenaline on Bows and Snipes specifically to like 100% where they onetap in the head again. Might be broken but I doupt it since it requires a kill and of an ability at that, which is way less common now.

What a Awesome video, entertaining and covers a lot of great points, this is your style mazo I want to see so much more stuff like this

Hey Mazo, thank you for this informative and thoughtful video. As an aggressive bow player myself, these changes have drained out the very last few droplets of fun I could experience with Destiny 2 PvP. My biggest gripe with all these changes is that we're essentially condemning bow players to a playstyle that we all, and I mean all want to be gone while leaving the main culprits entirely unchecked. When you have to ruin an entire archetype and playstyle to justify the existence of a single exotic weapon that has been left unchecked in both PvP and PvE for the longest time, you're clearly lacking foresight. At this point, I am feeling very hopeless with the future of bows because the developers are contemptuous enough to tell us on a livestream that these changes are exactly what they wanted and that they are fine.

This video is done masterfully. Thankyou for this spectacular content.

Atlantis is a GOAT. Why put such a terrible update overlaying such a great movie?!!! This primary only PvP is gae and trash. It caters to reg gun crybabies. Halo PvP is trash. Y’all are gullible idiots.

I feel like wish ender should reward the truesight after your first kill so you need to work for it, but it's still holding value.

I always used bows (not wishender), and was starting to get better with dueling and stuff, but with how the sandbox is now with teamshotting and snowballing with special ammo, it feels horrible. Was getting better at the game with weapons I liked, just for them to nerf them and be subjected to an autorifle/handcannon meta.

Actual bow users were a rarity. Subtract wishender, which honestly, slowest draw time and I never really found wallhacks all that great. If you've done enough pvp you pretty much know wherr the enemy is based on radar, pretty much know what they are doing based on previous games. I loved my biting winds with swash for the occasional one tap. Now? Bows are dead.

Outside of Wish Ender and blinting, I didn't really have much of an issue with most bows. Considering they took away Khepri's short use of true sight/wall hacks away (for those unaware, it initially allowed you to melee or use trapper's ambush to trigger true sight whereas now you have to have the enemy walk into your snare bomb) when it wasn't even high in usage rates but has let Wish Ender continue to hang onto wall hacks baffles me. Not to mention they talk about wanting to clear up the confusion behind why players die but I'm pretty sure Wish Ender's damage still procs extremely delayed to the actual shot. Where is the sense in this??

I’ve been a bow main (aggressive legendary) since forsaken and I will never spend another penny on this game bungie and all those bow haters can go kiss my ass … screw bungie screw destiny

Intro made me wanna watch that movie again lol

As an Atlantis fan that intro was amazing.

Interesting Merc saying what bows are intended to do is plank away from the back of the map. I'm guessing if that's where they want them, they wont do anything further but... really bows should be a viable weapon on their own and that playstyle does not allow them to be viable on their own, plain and simple. I think a simple buff would be to reduce the base draw times again so that all bows can be closer to 1sec ttk base - there are scouts after all. Also interesting note - whistlers whim with kill clip can still 1 head 1 body once you get a kill. Not sure how easy it is to get the kill, but am gonna start playing around with it

Wish ender should be straight up disabled in PvP at this point

this is a banger for sure mazo

Well *looks at my trusty true prophcy and monarque* time to do some damage

Fyi the PERFECT DRAW can be macroed 🤷‍♂️

Great video, I hope Bungie sees it and acts accordingly. I think they might be aware the nerf went too far, judging by how Merc was already talking about that possibility before the patch even went life. What boggles my mind is that just like before with snipers, they nuked the skillful aggressive playstyle and enforced the lame back of the map laning. The very thing that is the most annoying to play against both with snipers and bows. Wishender and LeMon along with Oathkeepers and people crouching invis in the back of the map is what made people hate bows. Now Bungie jumps in with a hard nerf (because of a 1,3 % rise in usage no less 🤦‍♀️), making all bows pretty much obsolete... except for Wishender and LeMon along with Oathkeepers because that way both can still easily 1c1b while also benefitting from a faster drawtime / infinite perfect draw, which should never have worked with exotic perks to begin with imo. Without Oathkeepers the perfect draw window for poison damage on LeMon is ok and requires good timing though Wishender's wallhacks were and still are rediculous. But that Bungie does not grasp how to properly use bows already showed in the Oathkeepers update to "encourage a less passive playstyle" by giving it more damage on shorter draws. You need to hold / overhold that draw so insanely long it took me forever to even see that UI thing pop up since I just use Oathkeepers for the AE and drawtime benefits, not the infinite hold. Like in what world is that a short draw to increase damage?

Does Splice weaken like void? If so radiant hunter plus a splice bow would be nice. Other wise only lethophobia will be the play with hot swaps….

No there not dead there just out of the meta for 6 months but will be meta again after every other weapin gets nerfed to the ground .

and Le Monarque is still a damn Nightmare too....

beautiful story telling for a weapons patch for d2 no less

I went flawless this weekend and it has easily been one of the most boring flawless runs I have ever done in my life. the changes made essentially everyone sit in the back of the map with double primary because using special was no longer worth it. We have essentially regressed back to vanilla d2 meta atp. Now no one is even attempting to look at bows because why use a bow when you can just hit someone from crazy ranges with a pulse,ar,scout, etc.