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3:11 Desk Setup Example
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14:37 Use Case Examples
19:02 Alternative UniFi Cloud Gateways
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So my current setup is a Zyxel USG110 router going to a 24 port POE switch, and from that comes out my Unifi Gen 1 Cloud key and 2 access points. Am I understanding that this UCG MAX would replace my Zyxel, and Cloud Key? If so, can I transfer my customizations I made to my Zyxel to this as I have a static IP and need to access things within my network from outside?
hello first of all thanks for the great explanation, now, I succesfully installed 2 AP U6+, created the wifi network with windows controller, connected both AP from my PoE switch (connected to my zte isp router), everything works fine until multiple clients connects to the network, all clients can connect, but the internet is limited to a few ones, some ideas? thanks! (DHCP is enabled in isp router)
Can this be used outside on the side of a building with no roof overhang? It would be directly rained on.
Im looking for a setup for home security. Im thinking 7 cameraes. 1 dorbell and 2 wifi routers.. my plan is using a CG max 1TB and a lite 16 pos switch. then there is ekstra ports for internet in rooms aswell. does it sound like a viable solution??
Hey, thanks for the great video! For a wifi only usage would it be fine not to use the USW Ultra and connect the U6+ directly to the UCG Max?
The U6+ plus needs power that the UCG Max itself cannot provide. You need either a PoE switch added between the UCG Max and U6+ or a PoE Injector/adapter: UniFi PoE on Amazon amzn.to/48S0FtW
Great Video... I never considered 10.1.*.* for the networks. Way easier to manage. Can you change them all after inittially setting them up and if so do you re configure all together in one go or do them one by one ?
Change your gateway IP address scheme. Your devices attached to the network will automatically get the new 10.1** range within 24 hours or you can also power cycle devices.
@@ApexOneTech I meant to say all my VLANS :)
Cool video, Thnx!
I upgraded to the UCG Max as I wanted the 2.5gb ports.... You can't LAG on Unifi gateways, so a UDMP was out of the question
Yeah, I should've mentioned that. No UniFi gateways have port aggregation but nearly all the switches do except for USW-Flex, USW-Flex-Mini and USW-Ultra.
Hello: I have set up an Access point u6+ from the mobile phone and everything is ok. I have configured it "stand alone", and I access perfectly from the Unifi app, but it has assigned the ip to the device 192.168.1.135 and I want to change it but from the app it does not measure the option and if I try to access from a browser to the address 192.168.1.135 it does not leave me although it does respond to a ping. How can I log in and change your IP address from a browser or from the unifi app on your mobile?
i'm interested in unifi for a while, but never they had such a small tiny gateway, they only hat gateway but needed a separated cloud key, i would get the non storage version of unify gateway max, the 2.5g is appreciated, the way i would use it for now since i get a free upgrade to fiver witch is 2/2g instead 1000/100mbit i got like 3 computers, 1 is a 24/7 radio online 2 is a gaming pc 1 is unraid nas with some dockers then i also have a qnap ts-763 nas wit ha 2.5g nic in it i have a hue smart hub , 2 home pod mini (basically as hub for eve smart plugs) several mobile phones, 2 ps5 steam deck 3 nintendo switches some speakers the access point will be probably living room witch is annoying from there to the following devices in the living room all connected on 1 cable with a switch to 3 on 1 spot with Flex 10 GbE 1 24/7 radio online pc 1 gaming pc 1 ps5 1 tv box from provider 2 kef lsx my bedroom (feeding 1 cable and then another Flex 10 GbE and a usw-ultra) 1 unraid nas wiith dockers 24/7 online 1 gaming pc 1 ps5 2 sonos era 100 1 sonos sub and then a wifi not sure witch yet all of these devices are currently wired connected because the build in wifi of my modem is so bad that my sonos can not stay sync my sonos is connected in stereo pair , sonos roam 1 bt receiver, and that drops the audio over eth to the other sonos i don't know if it can be in a much easier setup , but this is what i came up with
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What brand NVMe does the Max come with?
From the reviews I've seen they're Kingston. The particular model number wasn't provided.
We waiting for patrol since the 4 ptz
Great video.
Do we really need the NVMe SSD for a start if we not using Unifi Protect?
It's unlikely you'd need the storage if you're not using Protect.
NO. There's a no storage option out now. czcams.com/users/shortstj5S5r9umwg?feature=share
Hello, vey nice video. Please give me your advice: I currently have 2 Wifi 7 APs and a 16 port Pro Max Switch. I pretend por purchase a cloud gateway to truly take advantage of the Unifi ecosystem, and in the future probably I will get another 2/3 Wifi APs. I am currently upgrading my Internet fiber speed to 10Gb. What gateway do you recomend in order to talke advantage of the 10Gb at least for my desktop work station?
Why 1.5Gbps IPS, when the ports are 2.5 Gbps?
Because processing the traffic to filter out intrusions takes a minute ;) You can feed it 2.5 G and get that much out. But if you turn on FULL intrusion detections, it'll be down to about 1.5 G
It's a cool device for smaller/home installations that want both UniFi Network + Protect, it's just unfortunate how much they're charging for storage, esp given they use relatively cheaper Kingston drives in them. It's also very disappointing that the no-storage variant does not come with a storage sled, preventing you from using your own drive without first buying one of theirs. It's a scummy up-sell tactic on Ubiquiti's part. I hope that changes in the future or they at least sell the sled at a reasonable price (it really should be included though). I'm waiting for some kind of UDR refresh (maybe a UDR Max) that I can easily recommend to friends/families, my home is already full UniFi but it's hard to recommend their current line-up for homes, at least if you need cameras too.
Looks like they listened to feedback. Can buy a tray and add your own storage: czcams.com/users/shortstj5S5r9umwg?feature=share
they forgot rule number 1, never give away feet for free
what do you need the storage for? what do you lose if you don't get the storage?
Unifi Protect camera NVR
To store video footage if you use UniFi Protect cameras. Otherwise, you're fine with the no-storage option.
is there a 2.5Gbps switch with POE? I'm paying for 2000/2000, so don't want to limit myself to 1GbE
Good thinking. Yes, there's the USW-Pro-Max-16-PoE and the USW-Enterprise-8-PoE
@@ApexOneTech Overpriced, underwhelming toys. Go Mikrotik RB5009 or Netgate 4200, you won't regret it.
what network design tool are you using?
I'm using Apple's Freeform app. Unfortunately, it's only available on Apple devices as of now. If you know a better app, let me know. Everything else so far has been worse to use.
HI one question I know ubiquity sells option up to 2TB but I wonder if I get the none storage and I have a 4TB NVMe will it recognize it? I know some times some devices are limited on how much storage they can recognize
I've already read that someone just did that without an issue. I can't guarantee it though. Just buy the same type of NVMe, a quality one, and it should work.
@@ApexOneTech thanks
@@ApexOneTech So the rumor is wrong that the no-storage version wouldnât have an ssd-latch?
â@@gregsonberlin3782 It will not come with a SSD tray but Ubiquiti will sell a tray for the no-storage variant.
does it support the door access hub? great video btw, very helpful
It can run the Access app. To power something like the UA-Hub, you'll need PoE++ from another switch.
Hi ,Can you use other switches with the UCG-MAX ?. I have 8 port netgear poe swtich and then convert my existing to asus router to access point via wifi or is it all proprietary to Unifi.
Yeah, you definitely can. You just can't manage the third-party switch from the UniFi dashboard but you'll see the devices connected downstream. And, yes, also can add the Asus router as an access point. You'll have limitations though so eventually, you'll go down the UniFi rabbit hole and get all their equipment ;)
They have the 2.5g Max, now they need the 2.5g ultra switch.
Their Pro-Max-16 is kinda a desk, or wall-mounted, switch. But yes, hopefully there can be a smaller, more affordable one. Maybe something similar to the Enterprise 8 PoE in terms of form factor.
I have the UCG-Max and U7 Pro Max on order - already have the 8-port Enterprise switch.. Perfect match with my Nuc gen12âs with 2.5G lan - looking forward to setting it all up. I currently have the gen1 Google wifi, which wonât cut if for my 1G wan and wifi 6/7 devices. Great video - keep emâ coming Bogdan :) greetings from Denmark
Thanks for the feedback! That switch is a good match! I'm hoping that come out with a more affordable Enterprise 8 PoE type switch without the SFP+ ports.
I have the same Google gen1 setup and am looking at moving to U7 pro with UCG-Max. This was a helpful video
I'm so sad and disappointed to see this device. It would have been perfect, if it wasn't for its software suite which horribly lacks modern traffic SHAPING capability that other devices such as the Mikrotik routers via RouterOS, and Netgate via pfSense+, or EdgeRouter (UISP) offer out of the box. For me, to be unable to fine tune my own network traffic other than by setting hard limits is unacceptable. So I will never buy into this underwhelming ecosystem until Ubiquiti/UniFi ups its game.
i believe the NS $199 version will not come with the storage sled so you would not be able to put in storage unless there is custom built available in the market for cheap
I heard the opposite, that there will be a sled but now I'm also reading that Ubiquiti is saying there won't be a sled for the non-storage option. We'll see once it actually comes out. I wish they would include the sled.
@@ApexOneTech I am praying too as this would be perfect for our plans but knowing ubiquiti i am pretty sure they will put in a plastic flap instead of giving the sled - and charge 49 or 99 for the sled after, if at all.
speaking to ubiquiti threw emails about this, the NS option will not ship with a sled and there is not plans to sale a sled separately.
@@Bishplz316 I think they fixed this. Tray will be available for $19 and support third-party storage. czcams.com/users/shortstj5S5r9umwg?feature=share
Synolgy do NOT has 2.5GB connections, yeah you can connect both 1GB of the Nas to 2 ports 1GB on the switch and use one of the 2.5GB ports on the switch to connect to yours computer 2.5GB port, you will get 2GB ( 1GB + 1GB ) from the NAS if you have Multichannel active. The other option is to pay an arm and and a leg fro the Synology 10GB network adapter.
Yes, that's one option. I meant the latter: getting the 10 gig adapter but just using it up to 2.5. Why? Because 2.5 is enough 99% of the time.
@@ApexOneTech Synology do NOT have 2.5 Nics, you can connect the 2 ports of the Synology NAS ( 1gb + 1gb ) to the switch and have a max of 2 GB in multichannel if yours computer has a 2.5GB Nic.
Ok, i find . It`s a new topic
Hi Bogdan, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Thanks to you, my network is now working great.
Awesome! That's my goal!
Hi. How you find the comparison table ?
Go here and scroll to the bottom: ui.com/us/en/cloud-gateways
The Max sounds like a great product if it could connect directly to the new U7 pro with 2.5 and power it through POE. Lacking this feature is a huge miss, which could have been solved if there would have been an Max Switch with 2.5 and POE. However that doesnât exist either unless you want to buy enterprise at enterprise prices. The form factor of the 16 port switch is too large to match with the UCG max. People who buy maxes want to avoid needing a rack.
Maybe try 2.5G PoE switch from other brand for now?
@@mironchen9714 I think I may take the route of sticking to my Netgear 308EP for now. My main PC and NAS will be the main consumers of multigig and can be connected to the UCG Max without POE requirement.
The Max Pro 16 is close, but yeah, I'm hoping that they come out with a more affordable Enterprise 8 PoE type switch without the SFP+ ports.
Perfectly explained, thank you very much.
Glad it was helpful!
I have the UXG Max and the Cloud Key 2 and the (not the Cloud Gateway Max). Is that an equally good setup? If not, why? Both devices together have 1GB more than the Cloud gateway Max.
The UCG Max at 1TB is $350 but the UXG Max and CloudKey+ at 1TB is $400. Spec wise, nearly all the same. So your setup might be more robust, and easier to upgrade components in the future, but for $350 all in one, the 1TB UCG Max seems pretty good.
Iâm looking at removing my netgear mesh and going unifi my biggest concern is need one AP that is not wired back to the the network 2 AP can have wired backhall but one need to be in mesh mode and I want to keep all AP u7 is possible any ideas?
U6-Extender would be easiest at $150 but of course is not U7. All UniFi APs basically do mesh. U6-Mesh also great option. No idea if UI is coming out with U7 versions. But consider if you really need that in the first place. If you really do, you should be able to power on the U7-Pro and mesh it.
Been running mine for a few weeks. The downside right now is the lack of low end 2.5G switches in the Ubiquiti lineup to pair with it. The enterprise 16 switch at almost $500 is way too high end for most needs this gateway will be handling. (Home 1 gig internet / fiber.) Additionally my particular ISP would have preferred to drop straight into a fiber SFP which is not an option here, so I had to get a media converter SFP to Ethernet. The USW Ultra needs a 2.5G version. Itâs a great option for distributing 1G and boatloads of PoE (cameras) but itâs a swing and a miss for high internal data rate while mixing in a 1G fiber connection. For most folk if they donât need massive PoE, the Lite 8 is a better option because itâs Layer 3 and the Ultra is only Layer 2. Great box. It needs the supporting switch made.
I do wish for a cheaper, smaller, PoE 2.5G switch. The Pro-Max-16-PoE is probably the cheapest option at about $400.
@@ApexOneTech yeah, they're just missing adding it... can find non-Ubiquiti ones online for sub-$100 now. The chipset is clearly available, even for fanless...
Just one mention from my side. I run UCG Max for about some weeks now. Got it as it got out. This thing gets really really hot, especially on the side, where you see those ventilation shafts. What helped me was to position this thing vertically. But i ended up placing a noctua 120mm fan on that thing. Also: if you place it vertically the mini display will also turn. Thats a nice feature.
How much has the 120mm fan helped the temps? Did you perform a before/after? Are you using all the ports and multiple features such as ids/ips, firewalls and vlans or is it a relatively flat simple network? Are cameras currently in your coming figuration writing to the nvme drive?
Yes! Display auto-rotates--even upside down if needed. There's a wall plate adapter out there now for this unit as well. And thanks for the tip. Did you check what the internal temp was reading in Console > About?
@@cue03 Hey there! Yes, i did before and after. Without the fan and device positioned horizontally the temps were around 75 - 79 Celsius. Without doing hardly anything. After i flipped the thing vertically the temps dropped to 65-66 with also doing nothing. After i configured my network (multiple vlans, VPN, IDS/IPS on 3 Networks enabled, almost 40 individual fw rules, 3 additional unifi devices) the device was sitting at around 80 Celsius again horizontally. After i put the fan on the device itself, the temps are now stable at around 58 - 60 Celsius. Sadly i dont have any camera yet, but will order shortly.
@@ApexOneTech hey lad! Yes, there you can get the temps reading where i was observing it also.
@@shortygfx Very helpful information. Thank you for the details. Two more questions please. What model of the Noctua fan did you get? And how did you mount/position and power the fan?
I have 27 mbps download. I want to replace my Linksys router what do you recommend? I also want to add cameras in the future.
How much sqft do you need to cover? You might be okay with a UniFi Express (UX) and a CloudKey+ (for your NVR). It depends how many cameras you want to add. If you want an alternative to the UCG-Max, at your internet speed, you'll be fine with a UDR. There is a big limitation on the number of cameras though.
Get the UDR
Does it support more than 2 TB?
I havenât personally done so but I know others that have installed third party 4TB and it worked without an issue.
In case of CGU, when I enable IDS/IPS, I am limited to 1Gbps but is it a limit for each lan port, or on the wan?
All ports are 1gbps. So, yes :)
The LAN ports are 1G on the UCG-Ultra so it won't matter.
â Pick up the UX here: ui.com/cloud-gateways/express?a_aid=Apex If the UX is underpowered for you, check out the UCG-Ultra as a more powerful alternative: czcams.com/video/4ABFqd8hO4w/video.html
FYI, No-storage option for $199 out now: store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/cloud-gateways-compact/collections/cloud-gateway-max/products/ucg-max-ns?variant=ucg-max-ns?a_aid=apex AND you can get buy a separate tray if needed for future upgrade with third-party NVMe. Sweet deal! More info: czcams.com/users/shortstj5S5r9umwg?feature=share
We still donât know if weâre going to be able to add our own storage? Some people are saying it doesnât come with a storage cradle.
@@DwayneBrown czcams.com/users/shortstj5S5r9umwg?feature=share
Might want consider the UCG-Max instead that was released after I made this video: czcams.com/video/e7VWdddMamw/video.html
đDON'T MISS THIS! Might want to consider UCG-Max released after this video: czcams.com/video/e7VWdddMamw/video.html And if you want to pick up the UCG-Ultra or UCG-Max: store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ucg-ultra?a_aid=Apex
What are those Ethernet cable/connectors that light up in blue?
Itâs Unifi Pro Max series switch. âEtherlightingâ ports. Check out the video here: czcams.com/video/qmfmNudsYAY/video.htmlsi=SdJfnK4Pq_ELWL_K
I'm just wondering...since when it's not that much important to get Wi-Fi built-in... This is a good device, no doubts but WTF is wrong with Wi-Fi...that they don't put anymore in those extra devices but rather buy the Access Point extra and put it next to it. It would be an awesome way to put again All-in-One device, this would be perfect replacement of UDR if it had Wi-Fi built-in so it's All-in-One package. Maybe in the future...I'll still stay on a positive side...Ubiquiti is a King for me when it comes to Networking & Simplicity + Price/Products is amazing. đâ€
When you start going up in performance, you typically keep the WiFi separate. Thereâs still the UX but itâs not powerful at all. Very basic. With this cloud gateway max, you can put any access point. The benefit is that you can upgrade devices separately as needed. Also, typically the location of a cloud gateway is not in an ideal location for an AP anyways. You will have to stick with a UDR for now.
@@ApexOneTech Right. I can agree on this when it comes to upgrading AP's and Wi-Fi separetly it's good, though, nowdays "Modern Homes" will use AP's and Ethernet Outlets all around the place but still when it comes to costumer's perspective, would be awesome to have something like Cloud Gateway Max + Wi-Fi 6/7 for like upgrading ISP's equipment (cuz' ISP equipment is sh*t honestly) and to like give a full experience of the internet bandwidht & speed but also not many people like a lot of cables around especially not in the corner of the room to have a mess. đ« đđ đ
Whoâs terminating cables like that?
There's cables without the strain relief boot. See the video description.