Steeper concave boards seem to affect the way I pop. Tricks get harder. It took me YEARS to realize this. The more mellow, the better for me. Throw in a smaller wheelbase and my tricks come easier. When I was younger I was able to power through board differences, but as I’ve gotten older, the slight differences have become so apparent.
i really like mellow concave (girl, toy machine, zero have been my favorites since like forever ago) i really like vans style shoes for everything, including my friend's wedding, and walking 20 miles.
Are all the normal decks of the named brands mellow concave? I like the baker concave but it it is described as medium concave in my online skateshop (as pretty much all boards) so when i order a board with medium concave it can be steep or mellow and i am desperately looking for an accurate database so i can try different boards with mellow concave
I honestly didn't know shit about this and been skating 22 years. Thanks again. Tre flips are better with flat decks in my personal opinion and manuals.
@Jerimy Murray Dude, I wasn't talking to you. I got your joke. Look at who I replied and what he said. He didn't get your joke so I replied the joke went over his head.
Concave in skateboarding was a design answer to the problem of flat boards. Flat boards: -Lose pop -Lose shape -Snap easier -Less springy Because of these issues, skateboards were made with concave and that’s why mellower boards are generally inferior. However, flat boards still have some advantages so medium concave is better.
As a skater who dabbled into longboarding, I think it'd be very wise for companies to experiment with tub concave which is where the middle is flat but the sides flare up. This is in contrast to radial concave where the concave flares up consistently from the y-axis towards the sides. The advantage of tub concave is a comfortable feeling deck for landings that still has sufficient concave.
You’re definitely my fav CZcamsr my last 3 decks have been based on your reviews and I’ve loved them all thank you for being so helpful please keep making these in depth reviews you have a ton of awesome knowledge and it helps out a ton. Thank you and have a great day
Favorite skate channel for sure! Keep it up Ben, I love trying out new boards and seeing the differences as you are showcasing. Your review of a flatter deck in the past talking about back foot placement for easier pop was a revelation! Especially since I started skating again at age 36.
Really crazy to see how far you've come with fs tail flip out. I remember the video where you were getting them on the "curb" and now you've had one in most videos on legit high ledges. Bravo
Great insights Ben, and you're absolutely ripping. Started watching your channel about a year ago and it's crazy how much you've progressed. I was feeling old and washed up, but your videos are proof that if you put in the time and effort you can still skate great. P.s. if you ever get the chance I wanna see you review Footprint insoles!
I skated from the mid to late 80’s, but I do remember getting on a board in the early/mid 90’s, and it seemed SO flat compared to what I remember boards being. In the “pocket” or bolts area as you called it. I like that area with a lot of concave. Your reviews are so in depth and are a real help for me now that I want to get back into skating as an old man now. LOL. Thanks as always Ben!
You got me dying with “dad” final because I’m skater and dad and sure it’s pretty rad. Love your videos and how you share your thoughts and opinions on the skate industry. Another subscriber from Spain! 🙌
another splendid video content old chap.totally enjoyed it, especially on how you measure the steepness of the concave. i always luv riding a fairly steep concave, even till now that i'm 40. but my board size has gone up from a 7.75 to a 8.25/8.38..now i'm gonna go measure all my decks. and its sunday 8.30 in the morning here in Borneo, Asia.
Interesting video, thanks Ben! I’m currently riding an Ishod Wair 8.25 twin tail, Indy 144 Standard, 53mm F4 lock-ins, Bronson G3 and Indy hardware. For shoes I’m rocking the Emerica Provider (Provost pro model). Nerding out about skate equipment is super fun! but I’ve found that the absolute best setup is the one you are skating when you are skating with your friends. Bonus points if you are supporting your local shop and favorite skater 😎👍
Great video! when I was younger and a lot smaller, I always went for boards with the most concave because they were easier to flip and were the most responsive. Now that I'm older taller and stronger I prefer bakers mellow concave decks because I find I get more control and better style with flip tricks because I can really control the speed of the flip and rotation. Also I go for emerica shoes with the G6 insole because they're super comfortable and still get great board feel, plus they last a long time. The Reynolds 3 G6 has been my favorite as of late.
FLoyd Roo dude that is crazy I’ve been doing the same thing. Right now I’m on this antihero board with a lot of concave and I have another board waiting for me to try a creature with Medium concave and for the past week I’ve been wondering what the pros and cons would be
I see you with the ventures on the girl deck. Old school set up. I'm on venture high og 5.8s with an 8.5 quasi. The shape is crazy. It's got the really blunt nose and tail.
Just rewatching some older videos, never thought about shoes/concave combinations, but vulc shoes with mellower concaves just makes sense when I think about it
absolutely agree, skating vans slip pros and a chocolate and everything you say is accurate.thank you for doing the concave measurements!fantastic visual
thanks for making videos like this with specs facts and opinions about many facets that I assume a good number of casual skaters don't consider, as well as brand information as it may save some people time and trouble if they have preferences that are more akin to one brand then another and are forced to purchase something online. Fortunately I have a skateboard shop I can go 2 in my hometown to get something of a feel of how the board is under my feet but of course not many people are going to be able to try all the different combinations of high trucks low trucks medium concave mellow concave different wheelbase Etc when they first start skating especially if they're not trying to spend a fortune. I try to think of them something like an instrument in that if Taylor or Gibson mix5 of the same model guitar you can order it out of a catalog but if you go to a store and play two guitars of the same make and the same model you're going to have a preference to one of them and it seems to me many of those nuances transfer to skating whether it's wheel size wheel base text Saad etcetera much like, string tension volume control ,string gauge, string spacing, but with skateboards not as many people are approaching it with hard numbers so much as their opinions, videos like this add a very useful Dimension in that people(especially those less versed in making purchases) can still go by their personal preference, feeling and experience but apply to that information they may not have had and numbers that are easily transferable to their next setup.
I like mellow concave. I'm currently skating a steep concave Polar Board Co. & it's been a battle on Rails & Flip Tricks. I skate more rails & feel that a flatter board helps with my balance. The upside about a steep concaved board is the Polar Board's pop is still holding up after a month of skating.
Honestly never thought about shoe construction to concave relationship until you posted this video! I'm usually a cupsole person and leaned towards more concave than less over my 14 years of skating Now I know why. There was some subconscious connection my feet to board were making that just worked for me. Hate flat boards since they don't flick consistently and feel weak/soft, in my opinion. Mellow to steep concave, you can at least feel when to release your foot as you flick.
Anderson 8.5 Powell Peralta deck. The deck features identical nose and tail.Mob Grip. B.Westgates 913 new balance. Bronson G3 bearrings( actually made for Skateboards real rpm's) thunder titanium hollow lights 151's. There's a snake run & bowel combo right there 🙌 Overtime was needed for this sled. Cheers Ben, as per usual i loved the details. Good video
- Local shop blank deck, 8.25, with a good amount of concave. - The new Independent 144s for 8.25s they made recently - great step up from 139s, which I have been used to forever. The 144s feel perfect on transition paired with the 8.25 deck. - Bones STF v5, 56mm - Bones Swiss - Shorty's hardware - Mob grip - Fallen (RIP, but still got a couple pairs left) or Emerica or Supra vulc shoes with good toe padding. I do way too many kickflip tricks. I've been skating for more than 20 years so my setup tends to be pretty constant these days as I skate for exercise and enjoyment and age into doing less risky things.
Back in 2001 I had a black label "black" concave deck that had deep concave on the nose and tail. I can remember it working pretty well, and I thought that the less surface quality on the ledges made it slide better, maybe it was just that your foot was in a pocket during slide tricks.
ive only skated medium concave so far. nice pop and just the right amount of curve in the pockets. gonna get a high concave board next, see how that goes
I m 47 and believe it or not a small change makes a great difference. My mellow PP board is a Haven to me because it feels easier to pop because of the longer tail, and what u mention on the Milder curve is true. I feel My back foot kinda trapoed on a steep one and I also feel it harder to pop and less comfortable. Very good videos!
David A I may try that next. I got the baker B2 steep concave with the squared nose and tail. It’s too steep. Timing of my pop is way off and the flick angle is off and feels heavier with the squared nose and tail
I've been using a thank you deck, it's super mellow and square, currently figuring out how to adjust my feet. Overall I think it gives me more control skating obstacles and flip trick finally aren't overflipped, nice one.
I have a friend who had a toy machine and i hated, was so flat and heavy. Now im skating an Alien 7.6 steep concave with some thunders and busenitz adv. Light and poppy
About 10 years ago I had a DGK deck with the most insane concave I ever skated. Super steep. Haven't found a similar shape since, which is a shame, because although you had to put a little more effort into popping it off the ground, it paid off with how easily it flipped.
I’d love them except for I absolutely can not stand how much heavier they feel to me. It’s enough to make me dislike and not ride their decks which I would in all other respects really love and would likely ride solely if not for the weight issue
"One dude's opinion" ......One dudes highly specific well explained minutia mapping opinion, thank god you do such detailed work. I watched a few other reviewers and I'll be just listening to "one dudes opinion" from now on thank you very much. Great work as usual.
I had a baker mellow concave and loved the way it skated , I got another different baker deck in the same size and couldnt get use to it and didnt love it as much as the last one even though it was the same brand deck , on the mellow deck my tres were on lock and everything just felt better on it
I love the Van's TNT advanced pro model shoes you should get them and review them if you haven't already. I was skating these shoes for like 4 months before the rubber wore down but now its been 7 months since I've had them thanks to shoe goo and they still haven't gotten a hole in them the rubber just wears down
one of the best feelings is when you struggle to learn a trick and then try it one day and land it first try!! sw front 180 5-0 was one of those for me for sure!!
I remember a few years ago my friend had a girl deck and I tried it out and I had the nicest kickflips I want to buy my self one. I also remember the deck being flatter compared to my delux
I love light and mellow decks! I have fairly flat feet though, and I wear leather vans old skools. Boards with more concave don't feel nearly as comfortable.
I keep changing what I use. I'm thinking I'm liking a mellow concave. For a while I stuck with 1 deck brand and kept getting it. Only until recently I've been changing things to see what I like since I go through decks at about 1 ever 4 months. I've tried larger wheels, smaller wheels, different trucks, different bushings, tried loose vs tight however I'm staying with tight. I have a retro style board and I'm liking the mellow concave on it. I feel like I'm more consistent with it. Also it's a wide board so it took some time getting used to flicking the shit out of it but I feel more comfortable with the wide landing space I have. Honestly I'm not too surprised since my first board was an 80s board that I got from a flea market when I was younger before getting a world industries 7.75 deck from a friend one year because I never had money for new stuff so all my stuff was second hand or thrown in the trash lol. I was so sad the day I snapped that old deck. I will always remember my first board. That was about 15 years ago and I wish I kept the broken halves.
the DOA "Flat As Fuck" 90's mold is amazing. It's not actually "flat" but just mellow concave with mellow kicks. Tons of board feel and control. Works amazing with Thunders and Ventures
I feel like i should like steeper concave decks, because theoretically it makes flip tricks easier, but I don’t know if I actually do. I need to start studying my decks more instead of just buying for the graphic. Great content!
Still a fairly new skater,started on a Blind deck and grabbed some Sk8 Hi's from Vans. I'm enjoying it,I want to try a mellow concave to see the difference and find what's best for me.
@@ibookboyuk I had one of those as a kid that I found at a junk store...fuckin absolutely felt convex, cuz as you lean, it feels like your feet are just going to slide right off still.
Amazing skating as always. 👌 You can make a point of buying a deck with a little more concave and nose/tail steepness than you're used to so you can skate it for longer, same as buying a wheel an extra 1mm bigger, if you're a cheap ass like me. 😅
I like mellow or flat concave and have always liked it to be stepped concave aposed to rounded. I think its got part to do with me being flat footed. A 14" wheel base is about perfect for me as long as the nose and tail are mellow or medium ish. I like some leverage but not too much. I prefer a looser rocker and i skate independent standard height and ace works pretty well for me too. I cant skate thunder unless the deck has a rocker that is stupidly loose. I have a bit of trouble at times pushing the tail down all the way after skating for a couple hours when my knee starts to bother me. I skate 48-50mm wheels too. And skate éS accel og. Only shoe i can really skate. Everything else is too thin. But that shoe is very much a happy medium for me. Padded tongue and collar with a flexible cupsole gives plenty boardfeel without hurting my feet. Boardfeel from a shoe doesn't have as much to do with the thickness of the shoe but the flexibility of the sole.
@@zackm8399 what sucks is that theyre gettin harder to find. Everyone skating these big 52-58mm mostly. I cant go much bigger than 50mm cuz ill half pop my tricks. Its a bit of a struggle tho cuz when you get down to like 43mm its hard to stay locked into grinds. 48mm i feel is the perfect size for me.
Really enjoyed the transition skating. That bowl looks really fun. Would love to see you transfer some of your flat ground flip tricks to transition. Just don't ask me how.
@@catch2297 ... Hell yeah. That guy's insane. Really enjoyed it!. Thanks man!. If you haven't already, check out Chad Caruso's YT channel. Insane Mini ramp tricks as well and has a really flowy style.
@@catch2297 ... Yeah that's the guy. Pretty crazy stuff. Pretty cool watching it from Australia and getting to know America better and skateboarding in America better and seeing all the parks there. They look so good. They're starting to get a lot better in Australia too.
so glad to hear someone else say they can't skate Vans. I've been jealous of my friends who can for 30 years - cheap, stylish, and CHEAP they used to be like $20
I have two Skateone deck's with the k15 & k20 concaves. The k15 is a little to steep for me & the k20 is really flat & not as mellow as they claim IMO. After that I got a Primitive deck & the concave is perfect!!
I've always preferred a steeper concave. Personal preference but ever since I was a kid its helped with my flip tricks and locking in on grinds. Mellow is cool but for me its always been so much harder to get a consistent flick. Just my personal opinion.
I’m riding a mike caroll 7.6x31.5 deck from 2008 I had refurbished and it’s sick! It’s a very mellow concave which I like since I skate a pair of globe fusions which are rather bulky shoes but give me more stability and I don’t have to worry catching shove it’s in the pocket with mellow I can catch them anywhere and still have enough shoe on the board to control myself if that makes sense
You should try out the eternal decks I really like them especially there funny boards but I like there normal boards too, by not as much as the bamboo board I bought after I saw your video so thanks finally learned double kick flips on it
Terrific content as usual, my dude, keep it coming! Long time subscriber here, but haven’t commented in a minute. I’m curious to your take on something I’ve been considering. I’ve been skating Crailtap for a couple years running now, mostly straight 8 versus a 14 inch wheelbase and been loving it. Also, I’ve been ride-or-die Indy’s for roughly 13 years. Now, about to turn 30, my confidence and muscle memory are coming back to me in great strides, so I’m entertaining the idea of jumping back up to 8.25 but with the same length and wheelbase dimensions (Crailtap are great, by the way). So, after this too long of a message, my question to you is... 144 or 149?! Haha
I know i'm super late to this one but your thumbnail made me hope some great woodworkers out there have made high-quality fingerboards. I want a swimming pool fingerboard deck (concave, not usage)!
Middle of the road Concave and Vulcs or moulded cups for me. I remember in my younger days I skated Etnies Sheckler 2s. First vulcs. And feeling of much closer to the board. Sadly they lost their grip way too fast. And also wore them in 10.5 and 10, rather than 9.5 or 10 which now I know are my correct-er sizes. I definitely don’t like super high off the ground shoes. And love some cushion under my feet and on the tongues of the shoes. So thinking about some Emerica Reynolds 3 G6s and NB 379s
Just wondering if you saw the first video Braille Skateboarding did featuring Andy Anderson where he went into detail about the design of his new pro model deck with Powel? Seemed like he'd thought about every inch of that deck's shape and design. Might be a deck to get your hands on for a future deck review to see if you get the same benefits from the design that he described. Also be interesting to see you try some of the retro board shapes from pre popsicle days of skating. Whilst I do enjoy your board reviews it feels a bit like you're just reviewing the same board with minor variations in specs.
I am a fan of massive concave..... there was what was considered Tri Plane....very steep concave....like what came on the original JFA decks....like the vids to teach the new generation....
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Steeper concave boards seem to affect the way I pop. Tricks get harder. It took me YEARS to realize this. The more mellow, the better for me. Throw in a smaller wheelbase and my tricks come easier. When I was younger I was able to power through board differences, but as I’ve gotten older, the slight differences have become so apparent.
Do you skate creature?
Steeper concave hurt my feet and I like the feel of mellow kicks, flat feet flat everything lol
David A I hear ya! I have flat feet too and it just kills me to ride anything with an aggressive concave.
Have you ever tried learning English ?
Mr. Banana Feet I bet my Hebrew is better than yours! :)
I feel you dude. My feet are so flat they are basically 2 x 4
Sammeeeee!!! lmao flat feet flat concave love it lol
i really like mellow concave (girl, toy machine, zero have been my favorites since like forever ago)
i really like vans style shoes for everything, including my friend's wedding, and walking 20 miles.
Are all the normal decks of the named brands mellow concave? I like the baker concave but it it is described as medium concave in my online skateshop (as pretty much all boards) so when i order a board with medium concave it can be steep or mellow and i am desperately looking for an accurate database so i can try different boards with mellow concave
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I honestly didn't know shit about this and been skating 22 years. Thanks again. Tre flips are better with flat decks in my personal opinion and manuals.
Girls in the 90s were flat? Lol
Jerimy Murray ayy lmao
Yes, they were flat, 7.4, and very narrow nose and tail
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That one went way over your head mate
@@TheEchelon no...I think your missing something bro.
@Jerimy Murray
Dude, I wasn't talking to you. I got your joke. Look at who I replied and what he said. He didn't get your joke so I replied the joke went over his head.
Birdhouse is mellow! Your like a skateboard professor. I love the art and style of vans but they fall apart quickly.
Concave in skateboarding was a design answer to the problem of flat boards.
Flat boards:
-Lose pop
-Lose shape
-Snap easier
-Less springy
Because of these issues, skateboards were made with concave and that’s why mellower boards are generally inferior.
However, flat boards still have some advantages so medium concave is better.
I love flatter decks with a pair of vans pro shoes and being a dad all day to my two girls.
As a skater who dabbled into longboarding, I think it'd be very wise for companies to experiment with tub concave which is where the middle is flat but the sides flare up. This is in contrast to radial concave where the concave flares up consistently from the y-axis towards the sides. The advantage of tub concave is a comfortable feeling deck for landings that still has sufficient concave.
You’re definitely my fav CZcamsr my last 3 decks have been based on your reviews and I’ve loved them all thank you for being so helpful please keep making these in depth reviews you have a ton of awesome knowledge and it helps out a ton. Thank you and have a great day
Favorite skate channel for sure! Keep it up Ben, I love trying out new boards and seeing the differences as you are showcasing. Your review of a flatter deck in the past talking about back foot placement for easier pop was a revelation! Especially since I started skating again at age 36.
Really crazy to see how far you've come with fs tail flip out. I remember the video where you were getting them on the "curb" and now you've had one in most videos on legit high ledges. Bravo
Great insights Ben, and you're absolutely ripping. Started watching your channel about a year ago and it's crazy how much you've progressed. I was feeling old and washed up, but your videos are proof that if you put in the time and effort you can still skate great. P.s. if you ever get the chance I wanna see you review Footprint insoles!
the format of this video - info, YOUR preference, then skating, & what pro skaters prefer - is great. wish more videos were formatted like this
I skated from the mid to late 80’s, but I do remember getting on a board in the early/mid 90’s, and it seemed SO flat compared to what I remember boards being. In the “pocket” or bolts area as you called it. I like that area with a lot of concave.
Your reviews are so in depth and are a real help for me now that I want to get back into skating as an old man now. LOL. Thanks as always Ben!
Love your videos! Nice to get unbiased reviews on skate products!
You got me dying with “dad” final because I’m skater and dad and sure it’s pretty rad. Love your videos and how you share your thoughts and opinions on the skate industry. Another subscriber from Spain! 🙌
another splendid video content old chap.totally enjoyed it, especially on how you measure the steepness of the concave. i always luv riding a fairly steep concave, even till now that i'm 40. but my board size has gone up from a 7.75 to a 8.25/8.38..now i'm gonna go measure all my decks. and its sunday 8.30 in the morning here in Borneo, Asia.
Interesting video, thanks Ben!
I’m currently riding an Ishod Wair 8.25 twin tail, Indy 144 Standard, 53mm F4 lock-ins, Bronson G3 and Indy hardware. For shoes I’m rocking the Emerica Provider (Provost pro model).
Nerding out about skate equipment is super fun! but I’ve found that the absolute best setup is the one you are skating when you are skating with your friends. Bonus points if you are supporting your local shop and favorite skater 😎👍
Great video! when I was younger and a lot smaller, I always went for boards with the most concave because they were easier to flip and were the most responsive. Now that I'm older taller and stronger I prefer bakers mellow concave decks because I find I get more control and better style with flip tricks because I can really control the speed of the flip and rotation. Also I go for emerica shoes with the G6 insole because they're super comfortable and still get great board feel, plus they last a long time. The Reynolds 3 G6 has been my favorite as of late.
so funny, ive thinking about this subject for about four days now, and then you post a video that answered my question...BOOM Thanks ben love you man
FLoyd Roo dude that is crazy I’ve been doing the same thing. Right now I’m on this antihero board with a lot of concave and I have another board waiting for me to try a creature with Medium concave and for the past week I’ve been wondering what the pros and cons would be
I see you with the ventures on the girl deck. Old school set up. I'm on venture high og 5.8s with an 8.5 quasi. The shape is crazy. It's got the really blunt nose and tail.
Just rewatching some older videos, never thought about shoes/concave combinations, but vulc shoes with mellower concaves just makes sense when I think about it
absolutely agree, skating vans slip pros and a chocolate and everything you say is accurate.thank you for doing the concave measurements!fantastic visual
thanks for making videos like this with specs facts and opinions about many facets that I assume a good number of casual skaters don't consider, as well as brand information as it may save some people time and trouble if they have preferences that are more akin to one brand then another and are forced to purchase something online. Fortunately I have a skateboard shop I can go 2 in my hometown to get something of a feel of how the board is under my feet but of course not many people are going to be able to try all the different combinations of high trucks low trucks medium concave mellow concave different wheelbase Etc when they first start skating especially if they're not trying to spend a fortune. I try to think of them something like an instrument in that if Taylor or Gibson mix5 of the same model guitar you can order it out of a catalog but if you go to a store and play two guitars of the same make and the same model you're going to have a preference to one of them and it seems to me many of those nuances transfer to skating whether it's wheel size wheel base text Saad etcetera much like, string tension volume control ,string gauge, string spacing, but with skateboards not as many people are approaching it with hard numbers so much as their opinions, videos like this add a very useful Dimension in that people(especially those less versed in making purchases) can still go by their personal preference, feeling and experience but apply to that information they may not have had and numbers that are easily transferable to their next setup.
I like mellow concave. I'm currently skating a steep concave Polar Board Co. & it's been a battle on Rails & Flip Tricks. I skate more rails & feel that a flatter board helps with my balance. The upside about a steep concaved board is the Polar Board's pop is still holding up after a month of skating.
Honestly never thought about shoe construction to concave relationship until you posted this video! I'm usually a cupsole person and leaned towards more concave than less over my 14 years of skating
Now I know why. There was some subconscious connection my feet to board were making that just worked for me.
Hate flat boards since they don't flick consistently and feel weak/soft, in my opinion. Mellow to steep concave, you can at least feel when to release your foot as you flick.
Anderson 8.5 Powell Peralta deck. The deck features identical nose and tail.Mob Grip. B.Westgates 913 new balance. Bronson G3 bearrings( actually made for Skateboards real rpm's) thunder titanium hollow lights 151's. There's a snake run & bowel combo right there 🙌 Overtime was needed for this sled. Cheers Ben, as per usual i loved the details. Good video
great video ben thank you for all your work
Zoo York deck 8.0, Silver Trucks, OJ Wheels. The Zoo York shape and build is just perfect. OG shape, and super thin which I love.
- Local shop blank deck, 8.25, with a good amount of concave.
- The new Independent 144s for 8.25s they made recently - great step up from 139s, which I have been used to forever. The 144s feel perfect on transition paired with the 8.25 deck.
- Bones STF v5, 56mm
- Bones Swiss
- Shorty's hardware
- Mob grip
- Fallen (RIP, but still got a couple pairs left) or Emerica or Supra vulc shoes with good toe padding. I do way too many kickflip tricks.
I've been skating for more than 20 years so my setup tends to be pretty constant these days as I skate for exercise and enjoyment and age into doing less risky things.
Yo man your so good! I just recently went back to a mellow concave and it feels so much better.
When you say Canadian and pop tricks from that ramp to flat, you remind me of Chris Haslam and his days in Almost Round 3 😁 great style Ben
6:36 Dude that front salad was so good
Back in 2001 I had a black label "black" concave deck that had deep concave on the nose and tail. I can remember it working pretty well, and I thought that the less surface quality on the ledges made it slide better, maybe it was just that your foot was in a pocket during slide tricks.
Another good video Ben. Your trick bag is huge, props bro.
ive only skated medium concave so far. nice pop and just the right amount of curve in the pockets. gonna get a high concave board next, see how that goes
Haha funny how the 2 flat deck skaters you name are like the hardest flicking feet out there
I always skate a g028 deck from crailtap with vans (half cabs) and I love it
Sweet vid Ben! It be sick if you put together something on the different board shapes Girl makes! Keep killing it 👊🏻
I m 47 and believe it or not a small change makes a great difference. My mellow PP board is a Haven to me because it feels easier to pop because of the longer tail, and what u mention on the Milder curve is true. I feel My back foot kinda trapoed on a steep one and I also feel it harder to pop and less comfortable. Very good videos!
You should try the Baker O.G. shape with Indys #bakerforlife
Dominic Tasico B16 that would be great!!
Birdhouse og
Baker O.G. is pretty much the perfect shape for me, stepped up to a 8.475 from a 8.25 and that's when I feel the shape even got better - insane
David A I may try that next. I got the baker B2 steep concave with the squared nose and tail. It’s too steep. Timing of my pop is way off and the flick angle is off and feels heavier with the squared nose and tail
David A just bought a baker og 8.5 and did a couple of flip tricks and it is flipping really fast I kinda like it. About to go see how it grinds
I had the Gordon&Smith Nicky Guerrero cyclops board in the 80's and that board had great concave shape.I wish I still had it.....
I've been using a thank you deck, it's super mellow and square, currently figuring out how to adjust my feet. Overall I think it gives me more control skating obstacles and flip trick finally aren't overflipped, nice one.
Friend of mine rocks a wide and mellow Thank You deck, I've tried it out a few times and it's pretty well rounded feel.
Weird because each Thank You deck I've seen in person had aggressive concave and steep nose and tails.
I have a friend who had a toy machine and i hated, was so flat and heavy. Now im skating an Alien 7.6 steep concave with some thunders and busenitz adv. Light and poppy
franxxjavixx AWS doesn’t really have a deck with concave over .375 (Which is a mellow-medium) ...Girl, Baker OG is .313 Which model are you SK8ing?
I like really steep concaves on shoes with a long toe box for kickflips, steep nose for heelflips
Awesome as always
Since we are talking about mellow decks, review baker (or deathwish)!!
or magenta they are from the same distrib
Those are steep decks..not mellow at all lol riding one right now
@@bencrust4516 Which one you talking about?
dxmanforlife Taylor Kirby pro board
@@bencrust4516 is that mellow?
About 10 years ago I had a DGK deck with the most insane concave I ever skated. Super steep. Haven't found a similar shape since, which is a shame, because although you had to put a little more effort into popping it off the ground, it paid off with how easily it flipped.
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@@csitc2790 just did. Not bad
I’d love them except for I absolutely can not stand how much heavier they feel to me. It’s enough to make me dislike and not ride their decks which I would in all other respects really love and would likely ride solely if not for the weight issue
"One dude's opinion" ......One dudes highly specific well explained minutia mapping opinion, thank god you do such detailed work. I watched a few other reviewers and I'll be just listening to "one dudes opinion" from now on thank you very much. Great work as usual.
Thanks for sharing Ben.
I had a baker mellow concave and loved the way it skated , I got another different baker deck in the same size and couldnt get use to it and didnt love it as much as the last one even though it was the same brand deck , on the mellow deck my tres were on lock and everything just felt better on it
Enjoyed seeing you put carpentry/geometry to use here.
I love the Van's TNT advanced pro model shoes you should get them and review them if you haven't already. I was skating these shoes for like 4 months before the rubber wore down but now its been 7 months since I've had them thanks to shoe goo and they still haven't gotten a hole in them the rubber just wears down
one of the best feelings is when you struggle to learn a trick and then try it one day and land it first try!! sw front 180 5-0 was one of those for me for sure!!
I remember a few years ago my friend had a girl deck and I tried it out and I had the nicest kickflips I want to buy my self one. I also remember the deck being flatter compared to my delux
I love light and mellow decks! I have fairly flat feet though, and I wear leather vans old skools. Boards with more concave don't feel nearly as comfortable.
I keep changing what I use. I'm thinking I'm liking a mellow concave. For a while I stuck with 1 deck brand and kept getting it. Only until recently I've been changing things to see what I like since I go through decks at about 1 ever 4 months. I've tried larger wheels, smaller wheels, different trucks, different bushings, tried loose vs tight however I'm staying with tight. I have a retro style board and I'm liking the mellow concave on it. I feel like I'm more consistent with it. Also it's a wide board so it took some time getting used to flicking the shit out of it but I feel more comfortable with the wide landing space I have. Honestly I'm not too surprised since my first board was an 80s board that I got from a flea market when I was younger before getting a world industries 7.75 deck from a friend one year because I never had money for new stuff so all my stuff was second hand or thrown in the trash lol. I was so sad the day I snapped that old deck. I will always remember my first board. That was about 15 years ago and I wish I kept the broken halves.
the DOA "Flat As Fuck" 90's mold is amazing. It's not actually "flat" but just mellow concave with mellow kicks. Tons of board feel and control. Works amazing with Thunders and Ventures
I have been interested in trying one.
nice informative video. chill as always thanks for not being a sellout
Girl boards are so dope. I love skatin’ them
Yo I live in Tsawwassen. Dope to see that park and the Ladner park in ur videos
I feel like i should like steeper concave decks, because theoretically it makes flip tricks easier, but I don’t know if I actually do. I need to start studying my decks more instead of just buying for the graphic. Great content!
I've found that my almost boards have had my preferred type of concaves. Mellow and full concave. I'm fine with either.
Liked, subscribed. Thanks man
Still a fairly new skater,started on a Blind deck and grabbed some Sk8 Hi's from Vans. I'm enjoying it,I want to try a mellow concave to see the difference and find what's best for me.
as always awesome video dude. 👍 came across your carpentry channel the other too. 🔨
I love the baker og shape!
i always love to watch your vids no matter what is there. and i hate that here is only 19k subs -_-.
Up to 69 now
I prefer to ride a skateboard with a considerable amount of convex..... Concave is so overrated.
Warren Leeds If you skate one of the nearly flat ten inch decks from the late seventies they actually feel convex now.
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@@ibookboyuk I had one of those as a kid that I found at a junk store...fuckin absolutely felt convex, cuz as you lean, it feels like your feet are just going to slide right off still.
@@crusheen i don't get it
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damn your flatgame so clean!
Amazing skating as always. 👌 You can make a point of buying a deck with a little more concave and nose/tail steepness than you're used to so you can skate it for longer, same as buying a wheel an extra 1mm bigger, if you're a cheap ass like me. 😅
Another great video
cool breakdown
I like mellow or flat concave and have always liked it to be stepped concave aposed to rounded. I think its got part to do with me being flat footed. A 14" wheel base is about perfect for me as long as the nose and tail are mellow or medium ish. I like some leverage but not too much. I prefer a looser rocker and i skate independent standard height and ace works pretty well for me too. I cant skate thunder unless the deck has a rocker that is stupidly loose. I have a bit of trouble at times pushing the tail down all the way after skating for a couple hours when my knee starts to bother me. I skate 48-50mm wheels too. And skate éS accel og. Only shoe i can really skate. Everything else is too thin. But that shoe is very much a happy medium for me. Padded tongue and collar with a flexible cupsole gives plenty boardfeel without hurting my feet. Boardfeel from a shoe doesn't have as much to do with the thickness of the shoe but the flexibility of the sole.
Joel Siciliano sounds like creature boards, but those wheels sound small
@@zackm8399 what sucks is that theyre gettin harder to find. Everyone skating these big 52-58mm mostly. I cant go much bigger than 50mm cuz ill half pop my tricks. Its a bit of a struggle tho cuz when you get down to like 43mm its hard to stay locked into grinds. 48mm i feel is the perfect size for me.
Love your channel bro
DLXSF regular concave and Vans Eras= best board feel ever and lifted 360 Flips
Really enjoyed the transition skating. That bowl looks really fun. Would love to see you transfer some of your flat ground flip tricks to transition. Just don't ask me how.
andrew look up @velvetsmooth on instagram for insane transition tech
@@catch2297 ... Hell yeah. That guy's insane. Really enjoyed it!. Thanks man!. If you haven't already, check out Chad Caruso's YT channel. Insane Mini ramp tricks as well and has a really flowy style.
andrew he’s doing the fifty tricks in fifty states thing isn’t he ? Madness
@@catch2297 ... Yeah that's the guy. Pretty crazy stuff. Pretty cool watching it from Australia and getting to know America better and skateboarding in America better and seeing all the parks there. They look so good. They're starting to get a lot better in Australia too.
You are making _skateboarding_
l👀k mighty fun!
Luv ur videos fam
also with indy 159 makes it feel like a magic carpet ride
I like steep kicks with low trucks ....for example Santa Cruz’s taper shapes with venture lows = perfect
Primitive with thunder highs = perfect lol
Back in the day late 80's. vision street wear had the best skate shoes. they had a rubber pad where you foot rubs on flip tricks.
so glad to hear someone else say they can't skate Vans. I've been jealous of my friends who can for 30 years - cheap, stylish, and CHEAP they used to be like $20
I like the new girl/chocolate boards usually with some vulc nikes. Im gonna go skate
Love this guy! So good at skating! Are you sponsored?
mellow concave decks are cool since like i get more pop and the control in the pockets and converse shoes since their thin and good flick with concave
I have two Skateone deck's with the k15 & k20 concaves. The k15 is a little to steep for me & the k20 is really flat & not as mellow as they claim IMO. After that I got a Primitive deck & the concave is perfect!!
I've always preferred a steeper concave. Personal preference but ever since I was a kid its helped with my flip tricks and locking in on grinds. Mellow is cool but for me its always been so much harder to get a consistent flick. Just my personal opinion.
Nice one Ben. There and there.
I’m riding a mike caroll 7.6x31.5 deck from 2008 I had refurbished and it’s sick!
It’s a very mellow concave which I like since I skate a pair of globe fusions which are rather bulky shoes but give me more stability and I don’t have to worry catching shove it’s in the pocket with mellow I can catch them anywhere and still have enough shoe on the board to control myself if that makes sense
You should try out the eternal decks I really like them especially there funny boards but I like there normal boards too, by not as much as the bamboo board I bought after I saw your video so thanks finally learned double kick flips on it
Love your end of video blabbing and 😂
Would you consider reviewing the etnies marana??
Terrific content as usual, my dude, keep it coming! Long time subscriber here, but haven’t commented in a minute. I’m curious to your take on something I’ve been considering. I’ve been skating Crailtap for a couple years running now, mostly straight 8 versus a 14 inch wheelbase and been loving it. Also, I’ve been ride-or-die Indy’s for roughly 13 years. Now, about to turn 30, my confidence and muscle memory are coming back to me in great strides, so I’m entertaining the idea of jumping back up to 8.25 but with the same length and wheelbase dimensions (Crailtap are great, by the way). So, after this too long of a message, my question to you is... 144 or 149?! Haha
144
I know i'm super late to this one but your thumbnail made me hope some great woodworkers out there have made high-quality fingerboards. I want a swimming pool fingerboard deck (concave, not usage)!
Middle of the road Concave and Vulcs or moulded cups for me.
I remember in my younger days I skated Etnies Sheckler 2s. First vulcs. And feeling of much closer to the board. Sadly they lost their grip way too fast. And also wore them in 10.5 and 10, rather than 9.5 or 10 which now I know are my correct-er sizes.
I definitely don’t like super high off the ground shoes. And love some cushion under my feet and on the tongues of the shoes. So thinking about some Emerica Reynolds 3 G6s and NB 379s
Just wondering if you saw the first video Braille Skateboarding did featuring Andy Anderson where he went into detail about the design of his new pro model deck with Powel? Seemed like he'd thought about every inch of that deck's shape and design. Might be a deck to get your hands on for a future deck review to see if you get the same benefits from the design that he described. Also be interesting to see you try some of the retro board shapes from pre popsicle days of skating. Whilst I do enjoy your board reviews it feels a bit like you're just reviewing the same board with minor variations in specs.
Like a lot of concave and skate mostly Nike blazers new subscriber
Hi Josh:) Welcome!
I REALLY want to see you skate some street spots the way you skate park!!
I am a fan of massive concave..... there was what was considered Tri Plane....very steep concave....like what came on the original JFA decks....like the vids to teach the new generation....