How to: Convert Vector 3 to Rally SPD-SL/SPD Pedals!
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
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Probably the best (only?) kept secret of Garmin’s just announced Rally pedals is the fact that you can actually convert any Vector 3 set to either Shimano SPD or SPD-SL pedals. So if you’ve always wanted a Shimano SPD-SL (road) or SPD (typically off-road) pedal based power meter, you’re in luck. The process takes about 3-5 minutes for a set, and is silly easy to do.
This is because inside every Rally or Vector 3 pedal set are two key things: The spindle, and the pedal body. The spindle is where the magic happens, and what measures your power. Whereas the pedal body is what you clip into and visually see. Up till this point, Garmin has only offered LOOK KEO pedal bodies for Vector 3 (save a quirky Vector 1 SPD-SL cartridge thing years ago, that Tinder date didn’t last). But with Rally, Garmin has basically added two more pedal body types, and you’re able to fully convert between them as you see fit. Note - this is a 100% fully supported, designed, and purpose-built process. This isn’t a hack. Garmin specifically wants people to do this (and markets/promotes it), and specifically ensured compatibility between them.
Now in effect Rally is basically Garmin Vector 4. Except unlike the jump from Vector 2 to Vector 3, almost all the changes here are in the pedal body & battery compartment (and any Vector 3 user can get the most recent battery compartments for free). In order to quickly explain the naming convention Garmin uses, here’s a quick refresher on the three variants of Rally pedals/bodies:
Rally RS: Shimano SPD-SL Road variant (get it? RS = Rally Shimano)
Rally RK: Look KEO variant (RK = Rally KEO)
Rally XC: Shimano SPD MTB Variant (XC = Cross Country)
#GarminRally #PowerMeters #Vector3 - Sport
Garmin might move slow to innovate, but you really have to appreciate the way they make new products and features back-compatible. My 3 year old Vector 3’s can now become XC pedals...love it!
Indeed, I'm impressed it's backwards compatible!
I disagree. I own Vector 2's, which aren't compatible with V3 or Rally. I cracked the plastic on the pod at the weekend and contacted Garmin to see if they had any spares. They don't. A $1000 set of power pedals made useless due to a $0.10 plastic cover.
Yes... My vector 2 is lost because the discontinued pods. So in Brazil, is mandatory the factory produce parts within 5 years end production... I will process them....
This is absolutely AWESOME as yeah I want SPD power but buying a whole set of dual sided PM was harsh ... now with this conversion I can use what I got on both of my bikes which is GREAT! ... thanks garmin for throwing us Vector 3 owners a bone!
Thank you DC. This and the initial unboxing intro are excellent content.
I’ve done a pedal body repair on the Vector 3s, and I expected the “conversion” would be an identical process. Great video.
Super helpful video. I just upgraded my Vectors to Rally following along. Easy peasy.
This is outstanding! I was a late Vector 3 adoptee but missed having compatibility across my road bike and trainer bike with Shimano pedals. With the Rally RS Conversion kit I can run Shimano cleats on all my road shoes. BONUS--I got a 10% coupon via email from Garmin after briefly abandoning the cart.
Thanks! this made the replacement process so much easier!
Oh this is so awesome. I just picked up a dual power vector3 for a good price. Now going to get rally pedal body set....and will have saved a few hundred bucks on getting a set for my gravel bike.
Awesome! Always appreciate your knowledge and detail to help us do things right. Mahalo. 😎🤙🏽
You bet!
Great video DC. I just received my RS bodies and swapped my Vector 3 spindles over. One thing to note that differed from you excellent walkthrough is that the new RS bodies I received already had both spindle seals in place. I was initially going off of you videos and cruising through the swap only to discover that the new bodies had the inner seal already seated inside. The outer seal was kind of obvious but it wasn't until i tried to move the old inner seal over that I checked the Garmin steps which called out that the new bodies did not require moving the seals over.
Thanks! Yup indeed, Garmin decided to include the seals after all for the first main production batch, which is great. Once I get the new one I'll update the video with a quick refrehs.
Just got my xc conversion kit for my vector 3 pedals. Via instructions: left pedal top hat screw is standard (right tight, left loose) and the right side is reverse.
Would love to see flat platform pedal body compatibility! These look cool though.
Righty tighty on the left pedal perhaps? But this is great - the same process as if you had to replace your pedal body at any point (usually sent out as warranty issue, but can also be purchased, like the new conversion kit).
I got one pedal body to replace myself one time, but most recently got sent new Vector 3 pedals , which has the new battery connector and pod, and even had the CR1/3 N batteries too.
Thank you for the video! If you can just buy one Rally product+conversion kit and use it both on road and on MTB is really great. Not that I need power meter off road but it's good to have an option. Change process is not complicated but it's not something to be done in a hurry. I wish it was mode lego-like to simplify switch process and allow it to be done more frequently than couple of times per year. Maybe there is already a new version in development that will allow this, who knows...
Totally agree!
I’m so glad I bought my Assiomas
So good.. So easy to follow.
Definitely better to learn the direction to turn. I've done the 'just test' approach in the past and ended up tightening something too much!
very helpful video, thank you for that! I used it to convert my Garmin vector 3 pedal to a Rally XC. I have a question: I have only the left pedal available and as said I converted it to a Rally XC using the conversion body. Which pedal could I use as pair for it? for sure I could use a Garmin one but is pretty expensive. Is there any Shimano pedal which is fitting from size point of view? (I saw your other video where you talk about different stack heights of the pedals). Thanks in advance for your answer
Thanks for the video. Is there any difference between a Rally RS and a converted Vector RS (besides the name recognition as you pointed out)?
This video was very informative, thank you!
Quick question… if I were to buy two single sided Garmin rallys (XC100 and RK100), would it be possible to make a dual kit from that? I don’t think it would be possible because the hardware is in the spindle right spindle and the two spindles have different thread patterns, but worth asking. Thanks!
Thanks Ray!
who else hears that ultrasonic cleaner going on in the background
Great and surprising video. I did not think the inside is compatible. Thanks for that. On the other hand Vector 3 body is not a good one as it is not durable. My Vector 3 had to be replaced in Sept 2019 and in less than 2 years there is a wear on the back where the clip attach that cause the problem it cannot be tightened so it is moving a bit. Also many other people complaining about the same issue.
So the question: what about of this new body? I see the battery part has a new metal screw thread for the cap. But not sure if the body is durable or need to replace in each 1.5 year. Which is not cheap seeing the price increase between vector3 to Rally.
Amazing! I have one doubt, related to Torc preassure you used it?, hoy many nm??
Love the shirt! Where did you find it?
Hey Ray!! Got free replacement vector doors today but they’re black not red!! Ordered when I watched this vid
Interesting. I know they're physically the *EXACT SAME*, but perhaps they've simply used different colors to be identify the source. But they are identical from my most recent conversations with them last week.
if this is compatible with the single sided Vector 3S? Garmin lists compatibility with the RS, RK, and XC (both 100 and 200 variants) but only Vector 3 with no mention of whether that refers to the Vector 3 family or just the Vector 3
Ray, any idea if this is compatible with the single sided Vector 3S? Garmin lists compatibility with the RS, RK, and XC (both 100 and 200 variants) but only Vector 3 with no mention of whether that refers to the Vector 3 family or just the Vector 3. Cheers from DC.
Vector 3s worked, I just did the conversion, for anyone that needs confirmation in the future.
Great video; anyone know why the XC kit is now $400 USD?
I'm looking to get my first power meters. Any suggestions for beginners? I mainly use an indoor trainer (where I use power) but slowly getting into multi-day endurance rides. Nothing competitive. Should I splurge on the fancy pedals? or are some alternatives better? Thanks!
Hi, very nice video!
By the way do you know if it’s possible to buy a dual sensor system and a conversation kit to use in two different bikes(as two single sensor) and in some occasions instal the two pedals in the same bike and have a dual sensor system?
Not possible
Can you swap left and right spindles in the pedal bodies? I have a "backwards crank" application where I'd like to do this. Garmin support said "NO" (with no explanation), but from your video, it looks like it can be done. Oh, importantly, will the power meters work?
Thanks for the video. Strange that the lower part of the battery pod is not like the latest design they gave for the vector3
Apparently, I’ve been told the bottom battery part is now standard on Vector 3 as well, and available as an after kit too. Mine are just older.
@@Dcrainmaker Oh I understand, so in the kit the bottom part is not included. Hmm
@@fts3865 Exactly. IMHO it's a bit weird that battery boards are not part of a conversion kit. What would be logical when it was identified as a weak point of design in Vector 3, together with battery caps. I've personally asked Garmin support for Vector 3 "Small Parts Kit" (2 pedals - 2 kits) and it was sent to me just for free.
Is it possible to get the spindle nut as a spare part? I lost one... Garmin Forum is also not very informative. Only aliexpress, but it's very expensive...
Will these pedal bodies last longer than the vector 3's?? Mine wore very quickly so have just ordered these in SPD SL
I might have missed, but the battery carriage (the piece that is secured by the PH00 screws) is the same from the old pedals or the conversion kit have a new one?
It's from your older pedals. However, if you want the newer parts, there's a kit for $30 on Garmin's site that includes the battery base/pods/screws/o-rings. Basically, all the parts except the spindle/pedal body.
I was hoping it would be possible to buy one spindle and two pedal bodies to swap between road and gravel bikes easily, but it looks like a bit of a faff unfortunately. Almost easier to set up both bikes with shimano cranks and use a stages left arm between bikes ...
Does the conversion kit comes with a new spindle nut?
Now that Garmin has made this move, do you think Favero will make an official way to switch assioma pedals over to spd without using a "hack" that would void warranty?
It would definitely seem like a smart move.
doesn't the pod interfere with a lot of mtb shoes?
@@hgiusdfajgfds It definitely can but I'd rather buy a cheap pair of mtb shoes and cut off a section of tread than buy a second pair of power pedals for the few instances where I may ride in a more gravel or mtb setting. May not be the best way to do things for others but would fit my needs.
@@baldbeardedbicyclist Sure. But for that wouldnt using xpedos mtb pedals be good too? It's not as good as an officially supported solution, true, but it's pretty damn close
@@hgiusdfajgfds Oh for sure, that may end up being my solution I'm just hoping they change it so it doesn't void warranty as I just bought my Duos. Poor timing with this new release by garmin but price point may still have landed me with the Duos anyways.
Thank you so much for all your great reviews, Ray!
Question (which is also a bit more general than just on the power meter pedal): I've ridden SPD (for commuting and spinning bikes) and Look for 10+ years now but never the SPD-SL. I'm trying to wrap my head around whether there is an actual difference between the two as they seem so similar (bar for the Keo Blade, but that's a different story). I'm looking into getting power-meter pedals, but struggle to decide if I should switch to SPD-SL or stick to the Look system. Anyone cares to comment on this? I've seen people complaining for ages about the lack of SPD-SL for the Garmin (and other power-meter pedals), but haven't seen a proper reasoning articulating why.
@dcrainmaker: you've tried both. Any noticeable difference for instance in the ease to clip in, say due to the balance (with one keeping the heel down better)?
Honestly, no difference to me. I know some people swear by one or the other, but frankly, after about three pedal strikes, they feel identical to me.
@@Dcrainmaker thanks a bunch for your answer! This is what I would logically expect as the pedals are virtually the same. I can understand some differences might arise based on actual pedals (Shimano Dura-Ace or Ultegra vs Look Keo, etc), but here everything is much more identical. This is reassuring and so I would overthink my decision then and probably stick to my old good Look cleats, which will reduce the burden of switching on my shoes. I'm tempted to wait to see if Favero will upgrade theirs with anything new besides Shimano compatibility ;-)
can you covert Vector 3s to rally double power meter?
What would do if the pedal gets cross threaded? Got a new bike and the spd pedal won’t go on straight.
Amazing, I got a pair of vector 3s with broken left pedal body for $50 AUD, nothing wrong with spindle. Bought the rally rs conversion kit brand new for $240 AUD so I can use my existing spd-sl cleats. Total $290 AUD or $190 USD single sided power meter, practically brand new hahahaha.
I'm interested in the spd mtb variant. Garmin's site is the only place I could find them, and they are backordered 5-8 weeks. Has anyone else found them? I'm in the US
I suspect it'll take a few more days till all the conversion kits show up on 3rd party sellers.
Ray - What brand 12mm socket are you using on the spindle? I've been to 2 bike shops that don't have a socket that will fit inside the pedal body.
I just bought a cheap socket set from a hardware store, its not a bicycle specific socket, I took the pedal along too and made sure the socket was thin enough to fit into the pedal, some are thicker than others.
@@911shmoky911 Thanks, Lowes has the right socket.
Been searching high and low for the correct socket size…. Can anyone provide a link to a set that will work? Thank you
Apologies for adding this so long after, but for anyone based in the UK who's struggling with the same issue, the 12mm socket in this set from ScrewFix works. I've literally just this minute completed the swap from Vector 3 to RS bodies using it. No help for you guys across the Atlantic :/ but it may save someone else from similar despair over this side of the pond.
www.screwfix.com/p/magnusson-1-4-drive-standard-socket-rail-11-pieces/8325v
Is there a compatible (non power) spindle that will work with the bodies to use when not using the power meter? It would be nice to use the body on another bike.
That's a pretty interesting question, but I haven't heard of any there. I suspect that you could in theory buy a left-only pedal spindle since that's offered normally for the Vector/Rally single-sided units, but I don't know if a right-only one available non-power.
So for those without Vectors, find Vectors cheap then get conversion kit works out cheaper ?
Yup.
Is this approved by Garmin or is it a DIY solution (no question, I like it!)? I ask because dealers actually saying that this might be possible, but there will be no garmin support ... of course they want to sell the expensive new solution
Yup, 100% Garmin supported and designed that way. You can see the confirmation on Garmin’s site for the kits.
The two O-Rings are not included in the conversion kit? i.e. could you build a fully functional RS200 from just two V3 spindles + the RS kit?
They weren't in the kits I received, however, Garmin reached out afterwards and said the final-final production kits shipping here in the next couple weeks will have the extra o-rings in it. I'll do a new video then.
@@Dcrainmaker Thanks. I forgot to ask about the silver/black nut, which unlike the "replacement joints" (that I now understand are the aforementioned O-Rings) is not listed on the box content on Garmin's website. Any idea if that would be included as well?
@@Berlor I don't believe those are included. Note - I'd be super hesitant on just buying spindles (such as off Aliexpress/etc...). Logistically speaking, those shouldn't exist without a pedal body attached. Which makes me think that they're either fake, or other likely broken.
Crankbrothers bodies!!!
What brand 12mm socket are you using? Mine is a little too wide to to fit. Thanks.
Had the same issue. See my recent post about it. Apparently and I typical Garmin fashion of making nothing easy, you need a 1/4” outside diameter socket which is not an easy to find part. We still cannot perform the conversion because we can’t find the correct size socket!
@@jimvescijr8687 I found a 12mm socket that fits the Garmin pedal body. Unfortunately it is part of the Craftsman 11 piece metric socket set (red box from Amazon). Ideally you can return it if it does not fit.
@@Dasagross thanks but it’s total BS that Garmin didn’t include it. PITA all the way around
Does anyone know if any other spindles are compatible
Did you use the old battery base in the SPD-SL upgrade by mistake?! Maybe I didn’t look closely enough.
My Vector 3 unit has the old battery base. I've never received a newer battery base, just newer top-pods.
@@Dcrainmaker Ah roger that.
£179 seems a bit steep for pedal bodies, but I guess that's down to the limited number they will produce.
Yeah, the pricing is basically the same as Shimano DuraAce pedals, though obviously, one can debate the merits there. But I can see the logic in that price point pretty easily.
@@Dcrainmaker I'll probably buy some but only after my Vector 3 bodies are won out.
I have just ordered a set of Garmin Rally XC pedals, but have I wasted my money and should have instead just purchased a set of Vector 3 and the XC pedal bodies?
Yes
Maybe not. I ordered the XC conversions back in April and they haven't come in yet...
Is there a competition with desfit on who gets the reviews out first?
Nah, he always wins that one, as he doesn’t quite procrastinate as much as I. 🤣
@@Dcrainmaker love your detail and curiosity.
@@RAG0407 Thanks!
@@Dcrainmaker Just because he always wins doesn't mean there isn't a competition 😉
Can I fit Shimano's own SPD (XTR) bodies onto these spindles?
no, the pedal body and spindle is not the same.
the links to the appropriate tools (specifically the 12mm socket with a sub 17mm diameter)...do you actually have those?
Eeks, didn't realize I was missing those. Ok, let me dig them up.
@@Dcrainmaker appreciate that. Sadly the US seems to hate metric and I haven’t come across a 12mm socket with a sub 17mm diameter. Really Garmin should be providing that information to buyers and not rely on you to help people locate esoteric components. Great video btw, looking forward to swapping over my old vector 3s once I can get my hands on an item that’s 2% the cost of the conversion kit at most 😂
@@mostwhowanderarelost Oh - I got an answer actually! Here's an exact known-good adapter for a wrench: www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Universal-Metric-1-4-in-Drive-Spline-12mm-Shallow-Socket/1000217147
WATCH OUT!!!!!!!
It is easy to follow the video and make the change, you can change as many times as you want some pedals for others ... what they do not tell you is that as they break or lose any of the pieces that make up the set they do not sell it to you separately .
When making the change, the nut of the right pedal axle has lost its thread, they do not sell it to me separately, I have to send them the entire pedal and they charge me € 302.40.
They announce the ease of change but if something fails, € 302.40, when the kit costs € 250.
Is it possible to convert the original vector 1 pedals to Spd pedals?
No, unfortunately not - very different spindle/battery/module design.
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Which is better favero assioma duo or the garmin rs200 thank you 😁
Well, Assioma is only LOOK KEO, and the RS200 is SPD-SL, so more of a pedal preference there.
@@Dcrainmaker thank you very much I really apreciate your videos, most of the time I always check your reviews before buying a new gadget more power to you
Righty tighty on the right side of the left pedal ...
Almost good news.. except price)
$1559 CDN... What the actual F......
Great video.. but please fix your audio. There's constant light buzzing sound throughout the video.
RIP iq2
$1200 for powered spd pedals jfc
Doesn't look easy at all :o