Garmin Rally Power Meter Review: Shimano SPD-SL/SPD/LOOK KEO
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- Written review: www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/03/g...
Garmin has launched three new power meters today, all under the new ‘Garmin Rally’ brand, which supersedes the Garmin Vector power meter lineup. The Rally series includes three pedal bodies at this point: Shimano SPD-SL (road), Shimano SPD (typically off-road/MTB), and Look KEO (which they previously had).
However, if there are two takeaways to know from this review, it’s this: The Garmin Rally series power meter is but a spindle that fits into multiple pedal platform types that you can choose from - at least, as long as those choices are Look KEO/SPD/SPD-SL. Which of course, is the vast majority of the endurance sports pedal market, save Speedplay (and Wahoo just solved that last week).
The second thing to know is that if you already have Garmin Vector 3 pedals, then you’re also able to take advantage of this pedal portability, and switch between all of the three pedal types above - complete with an even newer battery cap design.
0:00 The Basics
1:14 The Models & Pricing
2:52 Unboxing
3:07 Weights
3:28 Installation
4:21 Cycling Dynamics
5:25 Battery Caps
6:34 Off-road MTB Usage
7:31 Vector 3 History
9:43 Accuracy Testing
13:11 Summary
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My only takeaway is how much I need that t-shirt.
found them on redbubble
Prove it.
@@JoshMcGehee eh ?
@@jimhansen5395 prove it = link
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Sorry, you'll have to use Google. That's how I found it. I don't want to be accused of being a shill. "Tie Fighter Handlebar" should get you useful results
That Tshirt is bloody awesome!
Came to the channel because I wanted a power meter but now I just want that shirt.
Can always rely on you to do the most in depth and informative reviews, thanks!
Thanks Ben!
Good, honnest review. The end bit about the "right" questions one should be asking oneself is spot on
Been waiting a long time for the off road pedals!
I bought a pair of vector 3 pedals three weeks ago to help with my rehab. Love them so far! Glad to hear they haven’t changed much.
Wow, could be time to resurrect my Vector3's. I've always hated the huge, clumsy cleats for road pedals and dreamed of an SPD power meter. Thanks for this review!
Useful advice on the cycling dynamics data. I was thinking of upgrading to dual sided for this. May hold off now
Great review! I'm in for the Garmin Rally.
My right side pedal seems to have just decided to die... Worked back and forth with Garmin and they sent me "new" refurb pedals after trying a battery circuit board replacement that still didn't fix the original dead pedal. All up and running smoothly again now with the new pedals. Garmin continuing to be great at customer support!
Finally SPD-SL.... great if I hadn’t already replaced everything with Keo to go with my vectors! My 3s work well fortunately.
Nice review as always although I have to admit my interest waned when you mentioned the price! I know power meters are expensive, they were never gonna be 200 bucks but there’s always the hope that maybe this is the year that power meters will become more mass market... hey ho maybe 2022 then!!!
So... Two pairs of favero assioma for one garmin? That's an easy pick!
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Thanks Ray, awesome video. Great content and visuals as always. 🙌🏾
Still prefer the trusty favero assioma. No need to worry about battery seal
Riding/training/coaching with since 2003 - Favero was/is a game changer!
Favero FTW!
Took me 5 months to warranty a faulty Assioma, every week they gave me a new set of tasks to perform. Luckily I had multiple power meters on my bike and was able to prove to them that their pedal was off using DC Rainmaker's analyzer tool and they finally sent me one but not until they confirmed that my old one was disabled. Truly appalling customer service. The replacement ones work perfectly btw, and I'm pretty sure that most people's pedals do too but I can't get behind a company that treats their customers this way because even the best products have a potential to need customer support one day so I'm getting rid of mine as soon as my Rallys arrive.
Battery seal issue has been fixed on my vectors. Nightmare to begin with granted with plastic threads getting stripped, but Garmin replaced under warranty and have since had no problem
Or $400
I was burned so many times on Vector 2 and Vector 3. Think I went through three sets of Vector 3 via Garmin's support. Not a single issue with Favero Assiomas over the last 18 months. If Garmin had moved to a sealed battery compartment, I might consider Vector again in the future. As it stands with the many iterations of battery cover, seals, baby oil, etc. Not a chance.
Though I haven’t returned my V3 pedals (yet), I have found the Assiomas to be so much more RELIABLE.
Used Assioma duo for 12 months, so far so good 😊
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What happens when battery invariably dies do you need to buy new pedals? Looking to buy some Power meter pedals and this concerns me.
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Thanks for the review. I was holding out a little hope, but these are just way too expensive. Crank based meters are really beating these pedal meters.
Just picked up some XCs keeping my fingers crossed.
Marketing going mad... what is wrong with RK1 and RK2... 1 side and 2 side easy !!! great review as always Ray
I agree, I don't really get the 100/200 thing.
Still assioma duo for me. No water ingress and no need to change batteries. Plus IAV! Power meter should not be complicated to use.
Appreciate, precise and to the point.
That's a cool t-shirt, I want one. That's my take from this video. Oh that and power meters are still crazy expensive versus their benefits.
Great review. I am definitely a Garmin Fan Boy. I was an early adopter of the original vector and still use Vector 2’s. I have had no technical issues and the gen2 pedal pods have been flawless. I have seriously considered other options, especially the Assioma pedals but unlike others here I have had such a great experience with Garmin and their support that I have no real reason to try anything else.
Bettter buy Power2Max! Install, load the battery and forget. I just works perfect for 100s of hours till the next charing cycle and then you are good to go for the next 100s. And you get 5 years warranty.
Like the Star Wars bike geek t-shirt! The pedal review was good too...
So I'll wait to see if the Rally are more reliable than the Vector's. I'm hoping for a new Favero model. The CR 1/3N batteries are rather pricey and harder to come by.
you mention cost toward the end - the big sell for me was the ability to use the spd on multiple bikes - I can use on my mountain and gravel set ups - you are not locked into a crank-based meter - I race/ride gravel - cx - and mtb - and can use these pedals on all three - to upgrade all those bikes to power using crank-based would surely be more -
Really nice shot at 15:40. I saw you making the shot in Schoorl with the cableway. Nice video!
Thanks! And haha...small world indeed! Next time you should save hi, would have saved me 90 mins for another rider to film. 🤣😂
Yeah good idea next time I would help you with filming.😂
Great overview Ray! I'm actually impressed with the pedal body conversion kits. I *think* athletes might be up for using them. XC in the winter and RK/RS in the summer? 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks Matt!
Finally an spd-l power pedal
DCR - love that t-shirt! Care to share the deets on how to own one?
As for the pedals . ..such great timing was about to purchase the V3 and then convert (From Shimano) to the Look system - finally a win.
As always great content.
Thanks! Yup, so normally here (threadandspoke.com/collections/star-wars) - but they don't seem to sell it there anymore. :-/
@@Dcrainmaker i found them on redbubble....
@@jimhansen5395 lower design fidelity knockoffs :(
The new battery boards with the "uppy" contacts shipped with my third revision Vector 3 battery doors.
Great review is always. Just a heads-up at 14:30 you mentioned the pedal swap video up in the corner but I don't think that you put the card up 😉
Ahh, doh. Thanks!!!
@@Dcrainmaker maybe check the other video too, it might have the same problem ;)
Wow, impressive content, presentation, pace and quality. I subscribed and will check out the rest of your content
7:20 Ha Ha - I hate those slippery tree roots just off parallel to the trail. Never say Ray doesn't give it all up for a Great Review!
Been there, felt that. I mostly use flat pedals on sketchy roots now. I’m 63 & don’t heal very quickly any more.
The fact that Garmin made them interchangeable is freaking genius..... thank you! I can use my 3s as SPDs which i would so much prefer.
That must have been the plan all along! (Since Vector 3s work as well)
@@toadlguy pretty smart to think a head like that for a pedal power meter.
I hear you but I also hear the word « Garmin » and think of all of my past issues with their products. Including things like the Garmin Scale that just up and died while unused. Software that is still buggy 10 major versions in. I’m not sure I’d want to take the price risk.
Az first I was like "sweet, finally an SPD pedal powermeter!" and then I saw the prices... for 1000USD, you get a Dura Ace crankset together with the 2-sided powermeter from Stages/4iiii...
Yup, as noted at the end - different requirements for different people.
Benefit is that you can move between bikes though.
Has stages or 4iiii solved the shimano double sided power meter problems? That's another thing to consider
@@pablogsm91 Nope, no change there.
@@pablogsm91 Shimano GRX (Gravel) are not affected in theory.
If anyone has doubts about the stacked coincell. Ever since I used that in my vector 3, it has been flawless
This 👆🏼. I bought a few through amazon. No issues since
Hi DC, thanks for a great review, please can I have you opinion on the Garmin RK200 vs the Look Exakt peddles. I look forward to your thoughts
Thanks for the review. I love that shirt. Where did you get it?
3:33 Anyone notice Ray is running a Quarq Spider with a 4iiii left side?
Fun fact: It's actually a dual-sided 4iiii. :) I literally sent them in an XX1 crankset just like any other order and was like: Umm...can you make it a double?
So are these $1100 boat anchors once the pedal bearings wear out? or can you replace the bearings?
Thanks Ray,
I got excited about an SPD pedal power meter you can actually get hold of, but can't find a retailer in the UK with the single sided SPD version in stock yet. Garmin says they should ship in 3-5 weeks.
Oh well, another month for IQ² to ship their SPD version 😅.
Ask and you shall receive! Wiggle has it in stock, and if you order in the next 39 mins, it'll be there tomorrow: www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=1857&awinaffid=609955&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiggle.co.uk%2Fgarmin-rally-xc100-pedal-power-meter
(Link helps support the channel)
The rally xc SPD's are the logical choice for those of us who can't afford multiple pm's and the ability to take the pedals with you on trips where you rent a bike is another advantage. You can buy a new bike and not have to take the crank with you to the new bike!
I have that shirt. I am sad that Thread + Spoke discontinued that design.
Love the shirt!!!!
Love the T-shirt
LOVE your shirt. Where did you get it?
neat video !
jupp..... t-shirt is king :-)
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT SHIRT?? Ty-fighter handlebars...so freaking cool!!
found them on redbubble
endurance conspiracy
I couldn't find it on either site... dang
Hi, thanks for your video I have a doubt regarding this product and Favero Assioma Duo Shi, I think for Shimano user (spd-sl) is obvious to get Garmin rally, right? I mean that Assioma has got a larger Q factor that could impact on the knees…
For mountain biking what would u buy to use? I’m just looking for basics thank you
Loving the T 😆
Hi, nice review. Do you know if these pedals are compatible with the Polar Grit X Pro? Both are bluetooth but I can't find that info anywhere. Thanks
DCR, any guidance for my first ever power meter for triathlon training??? Budget? As low as you can go with a good product!!!!
Ok when riding on Zwift which would be more accurate for power, my elite suito or the Garmin rally rs200 pedals in your opinion ?
Love the shirt
Kinda disappointed there were no gummy bear scientific measurements or calculations... lol... great review!
I've been told by a certain someone that I may be purchasing too many scientific measurement devices lately....
@@Dcrainmaker 😆😆😆🙌🏽
Hi great review!
you mentioned that the favero pedals can be “hacked” into to make an SPD pedal….is there any online resource for that
Here ya go: czcams.com/video/ybAFIhKahnM/video.html
What are the mtb options for Shimano drivetrains with flat pedals and boost wheels with no crank stay clearance?
How compatible are with a Whaoo Elemnt Bolt? Do you get some cycling dynamics like L/R balance?
The R probably stands for Road instead of Rally, beacuse the SPD ones would be called RX or something
Really hoped someone would crack the USD 1000.00 barrier for SPD pedals. I think I'll keep lobbying Assioma
Ray has said there's more in the pipeline so maybe we'll see an Assioma SPD. We can only hope.
I hope Favaero makes MTB pedals soon...seems like more for less.
Can I effectively train with the single sided setup? I'm buying something for my NICA racing daughters who are 12 and 14. So these seem pretty inexpensive considering power meters
I was thinking of getting a Garmin Rally XC200 as I'm doing research you had answered a couple of questions 1 was the off-road usage but the other & most important I want to get them for Medical My knees are very weak My left knee has been replaced and I've had 10 knee surgeries possibly 11 coming Yup on the same knee other knee has 3 no hardware as of yet. I told my doctor about these petals and if he can back me up on him and I think he will but I wanna see if they're worth getting i Have a E bike and I'd like to know if they will fit on that type of bike.
Would you recommend this to keep track of Pressure And do you have to be clipped onto those pedals that's the only drawback that I don't like is it they're small And do you have to clip on Hope you can help me out.
Thanks
When if comes to the parameters, except Advance Dynamics is there any other difference between XC100 and XC200? Is there anything extra that XC200 is showing?
Do I need to change my seat height when I change to RS200 from my Keo blades?
Do you have to calibrate them before each ride?
love the shirt, where can I get one?
Gute Wünsche, Gute Besserung.
So that is why the Vectors just dropped in price. They just seem better value now or is there anything extremely new and better about the new ones?
The good news is that with a less expensive Vector 3, you can still use the Rally bodies just fine.
Hello, could you please tell me what type of grease I should put on the bearings. It would be great if you could give me the name or maybe you see an amazon link. Thanks
I want the off road pedal but really £1000 plus price tag
Do you think that it will be possible for third parties to produce pedal bodies compatible with vector and rally spindles? Does it make sense?
Technically totally plausible, though I'm not sure if there are any patent issues they'd run into.
I ride a recumbent trike, looking for a single side meter. I use 20mm pedal extenders, will these work for this application?
I want to see the watts difference for each leg. Is there a phone app that I can do that with?
Can I use my existing cleats if I am going from SPD SL to SPD SL?
I ride with spd cleats on road shoes but I want to use spd-sl, do I need to buy new shoes??
Any come with +4mm axle length? I use ultegra +4mm with a washer.
This product Rally™ XC Conversion Kit for 249.99 contains pedal bodies only, spindles and electronics are not included. I need a power meter for an indoor bike. This is my first time buying a power meter so I am really confused. Could you put some links where one can find these products? Or complete product not just pedal bodies?
Does these pedals have a charging option or do you buy new batteries when they run out?
No, just the coin cell batteries.
As ever, great data analysis. But, bottom line these are tall, heavy, cheapo second rate pedals with an average power meter connected (and a woeful reliability record). Garmin aren't a pedal manufacturer. A 4iiii/Shimano crank can be swapped in 2 minutes and a road one will easily serve for gravel, or XC/trail. Yeah, not LR, but that's unnecessary. SRAM is harder to cover, but Quark is fine, if harder to swap. Garmin are gonna be blown out the water once SRAM integrate power into Time pedals. Avoid.
Can you test the accuracy after using them a few years? Only dualrecording? Theres no calibrationservice right?
Only Time atac xc6😍
Do i need a cycling computer or can i use them with a Garmin Fenix 7 watch?
Hey Ray,
If money is not an issue, what would you recomment: These pedals (SPD) or a SRAM RED/Force AXS Power Meter Spider for my gravel bike?
Really depends on whether or not you plan to move the pedals, or use them elsewhere. If not, I see little reason to get the pedals. The Quarq will 'just work', be less prone to damage, and costs less.
@@Dcrainmaker thank you for this answer.
Did you enjoy the Schoorl MTB track ? 👍🏼
Yup, it's awesome as always!
Ill stay w Stages and Quarq. Vector 3 was one big wast of my money.
Ray, 2 questions : 1. Can the new end caps fit on Vector 3 and are toehold available as replacement part? 2. Do you expect Vector 3 to be still available at a lower price?
The new caps are technically Vector 3 caps with Rally wording on them. ;) And you can simply contact support to get them for free.
Hey Ray, does Garmin Rally allows you to unclip 'heel in' rather than 'heel out'? I cant twist outwards like most riders and had this issue with favero assioma not being able to twist inwards.
Yeah, no issues with that. Of course, it'll depend a bit on your frame/positioning for clearance there. But I occasionally do that sometimes.
@@Dcrainmaker Legend! 👍 thanks for replying.
Summary: So they tweaked a few things on their 4 year old pedal, changed the name and are charging $100 more when the pricing of power meters has been trending downwards. Maybe they didn't get the memo that the competition is producing power meters that are just as good (I would argue better) at half the price. The ability to switch bodies is a moot point when you can have almost 3 separate full time power meters on your bikes for the price of these + a conversion kit.
Not SPD though. I don't want road cleats when I'm doing gravel or just touring.
Isn’t everyone running Speedplay now :)
I got the Garmin Rally XC200 from a Garmin store for 840 dollars, new. They were 25% off. I'm a degenerate that rides a road bike with MTB pedals, so it was an obvious choice for me.
Excuse me, sir. All I can see, hear, or think about is the shirt. Where can I buy it?
Where did you get the T-shirt?
1199 USD!? Sigh....I guess there no other option, I’ll go get the lube :(