Why Spain wants Britain to return Gibraltar (But will they?)
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Gibraltar is a small peninsula strategically located at the entrance to the Mediterranean sea. Despite being physically attached to Spain, it is a British overseas territory that is known for its’ iconic limestone rock, Europe’s only monkey population and its' status as a tax haven. It is, however, also one of the few serious territorial disputes in Western Europe - namely, between the United Kingdom and Spain.
Before becoming a part of Great Britain in 1713, Gibraltar was a part of Spain. And ever since Spain lost the territory, the Spanish have been adamant about wanting it back. What makes Gibraltar dispute especially complex is that it's actually three separate disputes in one: Firstly, about Gibraltar as a whole. Secondly, about the Isthmus of Gibraltar, which is a small territory that Spain claims is illegally occupied by the United Kingdom. And Thirdly, about the issue of land reclaimation in Gibraltar. While the dispute's impact on the region was fairly limited due to the European Union, it gained significantly more relevance after the 2016 Brexit vote. This begs the question: Could the Gibraltar dispute be resolved, and if so, how?
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Broad History
5:36 Recent History
7:00 Negotiations over Gibraltar
8:23 Why Gibraltar is hard to solve
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Sources:
Peter Gold (2014) Gibraltar: British or Spanish? Routledge.
Howard S. Levie (1983) The Status of Gibraltar. Routledge.
Edward G. Archer (2013) Gibraltar, Identity and Empire. Routledge.
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You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.
Gibraltar very clearly has territorial waters and are recognised as having so by the international community. Why would you think otherwise?
@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters
Is Spain part of the UN and does it abide by its conventions? I think it does.
@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?
I mean it’s hard to take the Spanish seriously when they have very similar enclaves in North Africa that they absolutely refuse to negotiate on.
yup, never gave it back to us
The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony
@@robr1032 The Marinid dynasty would like a word with you.
@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.
@@robr1032 nope, moroco existed befor spain colonised it
It seems that Dutch diplomacy failed. They helped conquer Gibraltar, organised a peace conference in Utrecht, and came out empty handed. Great work.
It was agreed the Dutch could annex Gelderland which was occupied by France. Which probobly seemed a bigger win that the rock at the time.
The Dutch don't get swallow up by a combine Frence/Spanish Empire. It is a good power play. Dutch can't hold Gibraltar anyway but England as a Allies controlling a key choke point is leverage in itself.
Continued existence isn’t what I would call ‘empty handed’.
@@mrflibble9783 Had we known at that time, we would have preferred the rock. At least the simians there are semi-intelligent.
Dude the BMW in the Balkans killed me
I knew i wasnt crazy in thinking it was weird how many BMWs I saw in the Balkans lol
Spain: "Nooooo you can't have a peninsula off my territory"
Also Spain: "Shut up Morrocco, those are integral parts of Spain"
The problem is that you see a small piece of land and you immediately think it's stolen or something. Ceuta and Melilla have been spanish in all kinds of terms for longer than the existence of Morrocco as a country. How can you claim what's never been yours in first place?
@@Red-90 Morrocoy was created in 1956 following my western sources. I don't know what they teach you in a Moroccan school
@@Red-90 also, you can't just use the word "delusional" every time someone says something you disagree with
@@toasts3054 💀
@@toasts3054 thats cap
I never knew Gibraltar has been British longer than it was Spanish!
Eso ni siquiera es verdad
@@pedritopedrito_how long was it Spanish?
@@pedritopedrito_disprove it then
It was part of the Kingdom of Granada before, an integral part of Spain.
@@MrColaKO the Kingdom of Granada was founded in what year? Around 1500?
When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!
More similar to a personal union
I thought Andorra was technically its own principality which governed itself? Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s jointly owned sort of thing
@@sjeason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-princes_of_Andorra
Not really a valid comparison, Andorra is an independent country that simply has two heads of state, one of whom is the President of France, the other is some Spanish Bishop. It is not a territory of Spain or France (or both). A better comparison would be some of the colonial condominiums that used to exist, such as those that were under joint UK-French sovereignty for example. Granted none of those exist anymore. Or Perhaps Egypt, which used to be under Ottoman sovereignty, but was administered by Britain.
As addressed in some replies here, this is completely false. Andorra is a constitutional democracy whose ceremonial heads of state are the Bishop of tiny Urgell, Spain, and the French head of state, currently its President Emmanuel Macron. Even originally when these two "co-princes" actually ruled there, it was still meaningfully distinguished from anything like being "governed by France." It was just another place where the same man happened to be king, and always would be. Andorra has nothing to do with the French government and never has. It is no more French than Australia is Jamaican. And with Spain there is even less connection. Pope Francis is closer to being in charge of Andorra than King Felipe is, and that's pretty distant! In fact temporal and spiritual powers of bishops, including the Pope and the head of the Knights of Malta, have always been much more distinct than most people realize. The bishop of Urgell is the only other bishop of any kind on earth left that has any temporal sovereignty. (Though the Knights of Malta head has a few of its qualities.) That is pretty cool, as well as the fact that the President of zealously republican France has always been royalty. (Until only a handful of years ago the people of Andorra also still paid in-kind tribute to their princes with a set number of hams, cheeses, chickens and goats, and so forth.)
In practice the modern informal influence from France and Spain due to Andorra's size and location (it's almost a sort of high-end shopping mall, some only half joke) matter much more than the fact that their ceremonial princes happen to be from there. Almost nothing would change if they were a republic.
Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.
The UK didn't refuse to return anything, they were given gibraltar in exchange for them pulling out of the war
Refused to return? They GAVE it to us in exchange for peace?
@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever
@@yeahokbuddy2510 Uhhhhh no?
I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants.
Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.
“Much like a BMW in the Balkans” 🤣
Fun fact: when the Olympics were on I used to always think the GBR acronym with the Union Jack was for Gibraltar. 😅
I've visited Gibraltar, an amazing place, nothing about it other than the weather is spanish. Its feels very British, it was very odd walking across the border one minute I'm in Spain the next I'm seeing British Police, union Jack's, Boots the chemist, Morrisons, signs in English, old school London Buses, 3 pin electrical plugs, British war memorials. British Saliors. Its England with a slightly mediterranean twist. The will of the people of Gibraltar must be respected.
That may be how it appears to visitors but the Gibraltarians are neither British or Spanish in character although they have more in common with Spanish people than Brits, I would say and Spanish (or 'Llanito') is the preferred language, for sure.
@MrYahboo what a load of utter nonsense
@@MrYahboomaybe you are right about their culture, but the people of Gibraltar want to be aligned with the UK not Spain.
@@johnborland6954 absolutely. I'm not saying any different.
@@johnborland6954you may be right, but history repeats itself and the UK only cares about Gibraltar for the strategic control. Their people are not a concern at least politically
Oh my gosh, it’s the rock!
da rok :O
**Vine boom**
Best spanish rock
I hate that you added that in
@@albertomunoyerro5562shouldn’t have singed it away then in 1713
Great video! I will never shut up about how awesome and magnificent of a place Gibraltar is!
You should do the conflict over the Russia Kuril island with Japan.
Japan has no case. When the Japanese Emperor had absolute power, he renounced Japanese sovereignty over the Kurils at the end of WW II. His decision was law in Japan. Japan is now trying to undo the Emperor's order. A country can't give up sovereignty over a territory and then say they were just kidding and demand it back. Russia can't just say to the US that it made a mistake and wants Alaska back. If Japan ever attacked Russia, it would probably get nuked again. They should stop whining about it.
Spain: *sigh looks at Guantanamo bay* “like father like son”
Demanding negotiations is pointless when the end goals are so diametrically opposed and one side has little leverage. They can have weekly meetings and nothing would happen. Spain will only be happy when they begin to gain control, and Britain has no reason to concede any. It’s an exercise in futility until something alters that balance.
Well at the very least, the dispute has remained peaceful for a long period.
Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.
Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.
@@ekothesilent9456 ... If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would gain tremendous strategic value.
the Gibraltar population have had referendums and they wish to remain as a British protectorate.
Very interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing
Supposedly if the Barbary Macaques (originally from Morocco) ever leave Gibraltar, then the British would. This was feared to becoming true when the population was down to 10 at the beginning of the 20th Century. By 1942 the population was only 7 so Churchill ordered several be imported from Morocco to increase the population and gene pool.
Hmmm, would Spain be willing to trade Catalonia and Basque independence for Gibraltar?
I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.
Good video as always
Thanks for the informative information thanks as always
I'm going there in a month 😆Very timely video for me. Thanks for the work.
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Great video
USA: “how come we don’t have Gibraltar?”
USA 2: “we have Gibraltar at home”
Gibraltar: *Guantamono Bay*
USA: "Ohhhhh, right. I forgot we had that."
In reality, the United States does recognize that territory as part of Cuba, which refuses to abandon it and terminate the lease contract.
Guantanamo bay is cuban territory leased by the US
Nope you are just really crap tenants
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Leased against Cuba's will, that is.
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Another Great Video!
3 hours early. Great video 😊
As a Brit I think the UK should claim all the land north of Gibraltar, it's clearly part of Gibraltar, and whoever lives there would have a hard time disagreeing with that view point. Spain belongs to the UK.
You are very right. Britain should own the whole of Europe. Why just Europe, why not the whole world?
@@jesusbermudez6775Pa! We don’t just want planet Earth but the whole universe too! Every planet should be British!
@@jesusbermudez6775the world would be far greater if ruled by the British
If this were so why did so many countries became independent from British rule?@@Englander284
Yes, it should be. What I ask is why when the British ruled over many countries they were not happy and wanted independence? @@sophiefrancis8295
"But also calm my nerves as all my belongings are sent to the British museum. " 😂🤣
Very cool video
Spain,”Hold a referendum and prove the people don’t want us”, UK, “OK”. The people vote and 99.9% vote to remain British. Spain, “Not good enough, it was too close.”
Not that I support Spain in this dispute but that never happened..
Meanwhile 51.9% is an overwhelming majority and a clear mandate.
@@MrYahboo Yes it did? In 2002 there was a referendum in Gibraltar and 98.97% voted to remain under British sovereignty
@@ProjectEkerTest33 he must have edited his post. It didn't say 99.% before. It was probably just a typo but that's what I was picking up on.
@@MrYahbooThere's no "(edited)" so I don't think he has
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This is a well made, balanced and informative introduction to a complex situation.
I’m curious about what are some of the other issues with sharing, like what would need to be contrôlée by each government
They can try: Gibraltar stays with the UK but the Uk has to give Northern Ireland to Spain
Can we give them the Scottish too?
@@robertofulton I would that means I can just move to Spain lol
@@robertofulton I bet you didn’t know that the Cornish invented football. But instead of playing with leather balls, they used Englishmen’s heads!
I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships.
People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area.
I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock.
But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.
Never heard of something more incorrect/outdated in my life, you still speak as if its the 1960s-1990s, Police technology has progressed to a point where these are no longer issues, and if you think there isnt more smuggling across the rest of South Spain then thats laughable. Any serious crime is nearly non-existent in Gibraltar
As for Tax haven, Andorra is also a Spanish tax haven, I dont see the surrounding economy affected, likewise with Switzerland or Luxembourg, so is generally a excuse and skill issue for La Linea
@@FriedrichBarb Lmao. Look at the Gibraltar resident defending their criminal racket.
@@joefer5360 Im serious usually I enjoy political arguements, but in this case youre just 100% saying lies that you have 0 idea about, I was born and raised in Gibraltar and there is a gigantic middle class who make the majority who do not participate or even see any criminality of the sorts mentioned above whatsoever.
Andorra is also a tax haven and it does not affect surrounding areas, the Spanish dont critique it because its a Spanish microstate
@MrColaKO , I am from Gibraltar , and at one point in time smuggling was prevalent , but one thing that you should come to realise is that there is high unemployment rates in La Línea , and the smuggling has fed families on both sides of the border for decades ! Smuggling initially started with commodities such as sugar when the border closed and then tobacco once the border was opened. With regards to your comments on drug dealers , possibly there are some, I won’t disagree, but maybe if you took a walk down London or puerto Banus in Marbella on a Friday or Saturday evening you might come to realise that drugs are an issue that plague most countries on the planet, in fact , most drugs are smuggled into Gibraltar ! As Gibraltar is so small it is hard for organised crime groups to have large quantities of drugs stored in Gibraltar, as law enforcement agencies would snuff them out rather quickly … your comment on arms dealers is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion , maybe you could evidence this claim somehow ? I agree with your comment about the offshore betting companies and the bunkering , but then again there is a massive oil refinery just across the straight of Gibraltar and a large port. (Apart from Valencia this is where a lot of narcotics enter Europe .. there are plenty of articles with regards to this point online). Gibraltar generates funds within the surrounding area due to tourism, hence, the new hotels/rentals opening on the Spanish side of the border. Looking forward to your response ! :)
@@JM-iq5up You make many good points that are true and I agree with. The main point I feel youre missing though is that this comment was purely from one of the few Spanish Nationalists that hate Gibraltar and Llanitos, that use this part of our past as propaganda to lie and claim that *the vast majority* of our economy is from only crime, which is just total bs obviously and puts a very ugly bad reputation for Gibraltar. Its a part of our History that we should be ashamed of or at least not proud, but youre right when you say its an international issue.
you had me with 'The Rock'
Very nice
I can see why all three sides stand where they do. I’m guessing things won’t change anytime soon either.
I’ve never been so interested in buying war thunder than when you told me it could distract me from the British colonizing my house
I could certainly use that!
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First time?
It’s ok, they usually give it back, eventually
the uk used galvinised steel,eco friendly veneers and bolts from auntie
What people miss out on this is that the Spanish war of succession king alfonso died with no one to take over the throne so other countries decided to take sides between the French and Spanish and the charles the 1st of austria
The Dutch Austrians English teamed up to take gibraltar for the king charles who was proclaim to be the true king of Spain
It was never initially taken for queen ann so that is the issue no one mentions
How do you define "resolving" the issue?
Because as far as the British (including the Gebraltarians) are concerned, it's been resolved for over 300 years. What has Britain or the people who live in Gibraltar got to gain from any of these negotiations? To stop Spain constantly complaining? Somehow I don't think that's worth it.
Brother you are missing the key point. Gibraltarians want to remain like this because of MONEY. It’s always money. Taxes at the rock are really low so of course theres a benefit to being a colony
Yeah, but we dont care what the Gibraltarians think, the first thing the english did when they arrived was expeling the local spanish population, so we dont care what a bunch of colonist think, they can return to his island.
We have Argentina and Spain wrappped round our finger LOL
Gibralta has democracy. If they ever decide they want to be part of Spain then they will have their wish. At the moment they overwhealmingly want to stay British.
(But will they?)
No
Didn't bother watching the video with such an absurd premise.
"The Rock"
Are they forgetting the Canary Islands
There is a tiny naval base there with two old patrol boats. It’s hardly a base. The biggest earner on the Rock is the drug money laundering that happens through the online gambling companies, it’s common knowledge and the accounts are very loosely audited by the four big accountancy firms who are also vey aware of the practices.
This is a great explanatory video of why Gibraltar is British 👍
If exclaves are bad, North Africa would like a word with Spain.
It's not the same, not at all. To begin with Gibraltar is a recognized colony while Ceuta and Melilla are recognized Spanish land.
@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war.
Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain.
And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior.
Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.
@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?
@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd.
Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off.
And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along.
Other than that, lol, sure buddy.
@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.
The question isn’t why Britain owns Gibraltar, but why won’t they give it to Spain.
In a strange way it is emphasized that the people of Gibraltar "do not want to be Spanish." Anyone with basic notions of History knows that it is after the UN urged the UK to decolonize Gibraltar, that is when they pulled out the self-determination referendums (and as a result of this the closing of the gate by Franco), ignoring that The Spanish claim is about the territory, not about the people. That is to say, NO ONE in Spain wants to give Spanish passports to the Llanitos, it's that simple.
The only legal basis for the UK to remain in Gibraltar is the Treaty of Utrecht, and this is very clear. If the UK and Spain agree to return the Rock, there is only one possible way to do so.
I have a question for all those who talk about Ceuta, are they residents of Ceuta and Melilla, or does the UK have a presence or interests in these cities? Because it's very strange that this is always mentioned, honestly.
Hilarious ad, loved it as a brit!
One of the pressing issues between Spain and Gibraltar are the waters aroudn the rock. Spain says the Utrech treaty only allowed the land of Gibraltar, never the waters that surround it.
This is even a greater issue when Gibraltar laws allows for things foribidden by Spain or the EU, like the refueling of ships between them on the sea instead of refuiling at a port.
This allow for murky oil of unkwon origin to be transfered between tanquers and ships, with the highly risk of spill over. In fact a few months ago one of this refueling at sea practices spilt A LOT of oil into the sea that affected mostly spanish beaches and waters. This obiously infuriated Spain as they are getting poluted by a neighbor that doesn't give a fuck about it
So Spain is a colossal hypocrite considering the staggering environmental damage its fishing fleet famously do in British waters where they laugh off the concept of a "closed season" and swarm nesting grounds the moment British ships leave?
Got it.
However the treaty is overruled by the international law of the Sea in which no country or territory may have a 'dry coast' and thus Gibraltar by law must have territorial water.
However, due to UNCLOS, Gibraltar has territorial waters, with the UN overruling the treaty of Utrecht. Same reason why gibraltar could become independent should it so desire
@@t.wcharles2171But Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters or airspace, it's all Spanish
@@jorgec.a3123 Gibraltar has both its own airspace, and three miles of territorial waters, both confirmed by the UN
No border was defined in the treaty giving Gibraltar to Britain. Britain drew a line determining tbe border. Now there's one.
Great video!
Share territory almost never works in world history
Andorra.
@@aksmex2576 it’s insignificant and small
I enjoy that you have a British sense of humour 🤣
Gibraltar as part of GB is special (and gets special treatment). Gibraltar as part of Spain is just another rocky peninsula. Their choice seems obvious.
I don't get it... if the Brits don't want to give it, and the local population stands even stronger in that claim... what are the negotiations about? Spain cannot claim a land that was conquered and ruled by a completely different regime 3 centuries ago. I mean... there are so many cases of lands like these, that no one think of "giving back" (South Tyroll, Alzas, Kaliningrad, half of Belarus...the list goes on). If the people of Gibraltar wants to stay British there is no discussion here
The funny thing is Britain has owned it longer than Spain. I doubt Britain would ever give it up, it will be very important if another war ever kicks up. Spain is hardly a stable nation either, Britain has no trust in Spain
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My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.
They can't, they can only give it back to Spain
A a spanish i prefer even germany or USA with the control of gibraltar than the uk
@@aloxpeexd302 Ni de coña hermano, Estados Unidos es lo peor que le ha pasado a España
@@VictorLdVSthey could, if gibraltar so wanted. Gibraltar could also fully integrate into the UK, or declare independence
@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.
Spain has seven enclaves on the Morrocan coast. As part of their campaign to annex Gibraltar, Spain supported Argentina's invasion of the Falkland Islands. By the same argument, Spain should surrender its colony of the Canary Islands. And don't get me started on Mallorca...
The Canary Islands is a colony? Please, don't make me laugh. The islands were uninhabited before settlement and they have been an integral part of Spain for centuries, more than proper parts of Spain.
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf We can affirm that the ancient colonization of the Canary Islands (Archaic Berber culture) was initiated by the 6th century BC in El Hierro, La Palma, La Gomera, Tenerife and Gran Canaria. Lanzarote and Fuerteventura, according to other archaeological data, were colonized since the 10th century BC.
The conquest of the Archipelago began in 1402 when Jean de Bethencourt and Gadifier de La Salle, in the name of His Majesty Enrique III, raided the islands of Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and El Hierro and they were annexed to the Castile Kingdom. Fernán Peraza did the same in La Gomera.
You Spaniards will lie right to all of us eh? Now of us are buying it. Talk about calling the fucking kettle black
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf They were inhabited before the Spanish took them over. The locals were related to the Berbers of North Africa.
Are you moroccan?
Was that Dave at the end?
That much story ? Hahaha and in Spanish schools we learned that Gibraltar was only an exchange between them 2 . Spain gave Gibraltar for the Canary Islands 🇮🇨.
As a Spanish person, any spaniard that actually knows about economy will know that Gibraltar being British is actually better than it being Spanish. Spanish people go there for work and since the UK is better economically speaking than Spain, it's benefitial. If Spain gets better economically than the UK (which I doubt) then things would start to be different.
Como decirtelo, es como si me dijeras que un mosquito chupandote la sangre es bueno por que al mismo tiempo q te roba la sangre te mete un tranquilizante para que no la sientas...
Que Gibraltar y los gibraltareños estan de bonanza economica? por supuesto, son un paraiso fiscal que no pagan impuestos, pero eso no significa que generen riqueza, mas bien empobrecen toda la zona de la bahia de Algeciras, q debido a la falta de control unitario maritimo, al desorbitado precio de los productos gibraltareños y a que se lleva toda la inversion, tiene deprimido a La línea y Algeciras, cuya poblacion en muchos casos se dedica al trapicheo o a la venta de drogas, asique no, no es que españa tenga que mejorar la economia por los gibraltareños, es que los gibraltareños hunden la economia de la zona por su situacion particular, asi que ahí va otro motivo para retomar un territorio que en toda su hsitoria nunc les ha pertenecido
It's exactly the other way around. According to all statistics, unemployment levels rise as towns get closer to Gibraltar. You have to go a dozen kilometers away to find a normalized economy. It's like a tumor.
Very first line... "...known for its great food..."
Where's the 'great food' in Gib? I'd love to know, given that I work there.
Compared to British food it's divine 🤣🤣🤣
The amusing thing is while yes its a problem that needs resolving. The current status quo serves all three goverments needs perfrectly. Spain doesnt need to staff and man a naval base in that area also no need to station significant naval units either, which means they save a ton of money, the gibraltans get rich of beening a tax haven and generally being left alone by everyone who isnt spanish or british,(its one of the only places the EU and UN tried and gave up finding a solution)(which is impressive in its self), the british get control of a major trade route, and a nice big rock in a perfect place to park warships to deal with the med.
the other thing to note is spain does call on the RN thats based in gibralta when it needs help in dealing with dodgy ships passing the strait. which happens often. Usually if you see the patrols speed of from their berths its to confront a ship or deal with distress beacons.
But personally im impressed that its apart of a arguement that both countries have been having for nearly 500 years. its literally worse than the rivalry of france and britian.
It’s not really a problem that needs resolving though. 2 sides out of three consider the situation to be resolved…..thus it’s resolved.
@@robertofulton It reminds me of that meme where a couple is hanging out and some rando asks "is there not someone you forgot to ask?" and Spain is acting like that guy a lot.
One day it will all belong to Galactic Empire. No need to stress now
Spain always talks big about Gilbratar, and how unfair it is that the English keep control of it, but never eve mention Ceuta, Melilla, and the 11 or 13 (depends on what you count)Plazas de soberanía. Spanish territory in Morroccan land or waters
Not the same, pls read the history of those places and then the Treaty of Urtrech before saying nonsense.
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 How they came to being is irrelevant. The fact that Spain holds foreign land, with Spanish Citizens, with no give in sight over those territories makes Spain look bad when asking Britain to give back Gibraltar.
@@Deltaflot1701 It's not irrelrvant. Inform yourself.
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 I have. Article X of the Peace of Utrecht that Gibraltar belongs to the UK in Perpetuity. That no interference be caused by Gibraltar in Spain’s communications with Cueta. That Roman Catholic lbs be given freedom in Gibraltar. That Spain had some say in what trade occurred in Gibraltar. That Jews and Moors were not to be allowed to live in Gibraltar. There is nothing in Utrecht that says anything about Spain be given sovereignty back. This every time that Spain put Gibraltar under siege, they were attempting to break this treaty. Please tell me where I am uninformed?
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 Ceuta was a Portuguese city until the Spanish used then Iberian union to take it from them when Portugal managed to separate itself from Spain. It’s considered sovereign Spanish territory just like the UK considers Gibraltar part and parcel of the UK. If you’re going to attack my position, have a better argument than “read this that and the other thing before saying nonsense”. I recommend you do just that yourself
Have they ever considered total integration into the UK? anyway seems they like the Manx/Channel Islander/Falklander status deal.
It is in fact a British Overseas Territory. as is Falklands along with 14 other outposts. The Manx and Channel IIsanders are Crown Colonies, different status.
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There has been some consideration for this in the recent Parliamentary debate on Overseas Territories. This would give Gibraltar an MP and thus a voice in the British Parliament.
However, it may also reduce the power of the Parliament of Gibraltar, which is effectively self-governing, apart from defence and foreign relations.
You didn’t mention the tax benefits to the people of Gibraltar. They get most of the benefits of Britain but pay much less tax. If they were part of Spain tax would go up loads.
The answer is already known before anyone asks the question.
They signed it over way back, next.
As someone else said, Spain has an enclave in N. Africa which they will not debate with Morocco.
Hypocritical ? You decide.
The vast, vast majority of people in Gibraltar do not want to be part of Spain.
Also, the Catalan region was playing with the idea of independence, that was pretty quickly quelled.
Democracy, but only when it suits me.
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@@stargazer-elite Decolonise Puerto Rico first, and then we'll talk about "families"
@@meritianus2076 I wasn’t talking to you
@@stargazer-elite lmao don't care
I find it funny spain want Gibraltar but same time dont want to give baxk the 3 small plot of land it has in morroco
They are not in the same contexts
@@oscarpena7285 cry harder Spaniard
@@oscarpena7285you are right the Spanish have no claim to Gibraltar, they gave it up. They do still have a claim to their territories in Africa.
@@robertofulton United Nations has Gilbraltar as a colony pending to be decolonized, Ceuta and Melilla are not in that list. So yes, it’s not the same.
@@oscarpena7285 Better give Catalan constitutional rights back then. Those were given away in the trade for Gibraltar.
About 100 years ago, the British built six runways in my backyard, then they got rid of four of them and made two much longer. Now they have a plane land every 48 seconds. It’s noisy living near Heathrow
Gibraltar is the UK's Sevastopol.
0:00 Br*tain jumpscare
When looking at Gibraltar (nice) and compare it to La Línea (slum) there is no wonder why the population wants to belong to UK.
La Línea is the result of a parasitic economy created by Gibraltar including tobacco and drug smuggling.
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you mean the slums in Leed,s Manchester, Hull, etc? why are british pensionists / nomads going to Alicante instead of radiant full british Gibraltar?
@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Because your economy is desperate for the tourist money. Spain is constantly trying to bribe in the British with endless UK ad campaigns and subsidised deals. Ever heard the phrase "never bite the hand that feeds you"?
@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bbBecause they are cheaper and sunnier?
The spanish gave it to the UK peacefully and it benefits both parties.
It not for Britain to return gibraltra to anyone, its for the people who live in gibraltra to decide. Spain has a treaty with Britain, does Britain get the ialand of Menorca in return?
You forgot to mention that Spain doesn't push the matter that much because they have similar lands in north africa that would be very vulnerable to reverting to the countries they are connected to.
If you’re referring to Ceuta and Melilla, please read a book. They have been Portuguese/Spanish for more 400 years, founded by Spaniards way before the Moroccan state even existed.
Spain actually agreed to hand over Gibraltar to the British, though. Morocco didn't.@@ignaciocriado
@@Hilts931 How can they get something back if they were never Moroccan to begin with.
Very briefly: Ceuta was Portuguese since 1415, then Annexed to Spain (along with all Portuguese territories) in the XVI century. When Portugal got independence (1640), Ceuta remained a Spanish territory as an autonomous city. Melilla is Spanish since 1497, conquered by Pedro de Estopiñan for the Kingdom of Castilla. The integration in the Spanish nationality dates for more than 400 years, well before the Kingdom of Morocco was born as is. Even during Spanish-French protectorate (1912-1956), Ceuta and Melilla were not considered part of it, as they were judged Spanish.
@@ignaciocriado yes but Spain can’t demand something back it actually gave away. That’s different to a territory that was never ceded in the first place.
Morocco does not existed at that time is absurd argument, the marinids were definetely a moroccan state since their capital was fes (moroccan city) and then when portugal took ceuta morocco was ruled by wattasids altough decentralised definetely existed as moroccan state.
And Moroccans defeated the portuguesd and agreed to cede Ceuta but one portuguese guy said guess I will die and the peace treaty got shut down.
Also Ceuta is nothing different than Tangiers and Mazagan who were taken fir hundereds years by portuguese but that do not mean they arf not moroccan
and alaouite and saadian dynasty still claimed the city as their Moulay Ismael kept seiging the city till his death and so did subsequent monarchs after him.
The area is also populated by local muslim population with riffain origin ( AdelKrim Khattabbi wanted to liberate Mellila) who at the very least do not mind joing morocco. Spain has tried to claim it has four culture but jewish and laughably enough hindu one disappeared, only riffains and descendants of spaish settlers are here.
If you want an account of what Ceutans really think about Spain just see the statue of the Conqueror of Ceuta being vandalised frequently and other spanish monuments as well.
Let alone inhuman treatelents of Arab merchants like slaves
Plus Fransisco Franco promised to give Ceuta and Mellila independence alongside Spanish Morocco and even built a mosque there but he have not kept his word
Finally, a joint sovereinty is the definite answer as the city will benefit greatly from opening trade with Morocco and integration into Africa rather than being a enclave dependant on Spanish imports and everybody will be happy now tge two cities are in a dire situation suffereing from a blockade from both side and it will also stop the flux of immigrants or at least make it more manageabke curently Immigrants are treated very very badly
I'm from the UK but I've been living in southern Spain for a year and a half now. I've visited Gibraltar several times since moving here as it's very close to where Iive and it's one of my favourite places in the world. It's nice to see that the Gibraltarians are proudly British and are very welcoming of tourists from the UK 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇮
No matter where you go THE CROWN WANTS ITS TAX
Now do Olivença between Spain and Portugal
The British isles do have some very good beaches in the summer so that's not that surprising
Spain has no case. Their king ceded the territory to the British king by treaty.
The USSR them playing at the word of "Our" was brilliant.
Meh. Every country has their own Gibraltar situation going on even as we speak. The only real solution to any territorial dispute is self-determination, and in any case where self-determination is properly applied, the answer will almost always be status quo.
What matters is what the people of those places want. Those in Melilla and Ceuta want to remain Spanish and the people of Gibraltar want to remain British. End of.
its kind of funny how Spain at the same time refuses to give up its own Gibraltars in Morocco
It is definitely interesting but their are also key differences. Spain didn't expell anybody in Ceuta or Melilla, Ceuta was inherited from Portugal and Melilla was an abandoned city back then. Those cities were conquered before some of it's peninsular territories. Spain is territorially close to said cities, not thousands of miles away. At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing. I think those characteristics make it arguably a different scenario.
@@novedad4468, "At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing." What? What are you talking about? Colonialism has been a thing for millennia! It was a thing since the days of the Ancient Greeks! What the hell are you smoking, dude?
@@occam7382 chill out, "dude". It's a 200 word Yt comment, not a thesis dissertation, ofc there's gonna be some simplifications. But I think we can all agree that the transoceanic European colonialism of the Modern Age was different than the Phoenician, Ancient greek, Arab or Norse colonialism. Even Early and late European colonialism have little to do with each other.
With that context, for late middle age Iberians the concept of a metropoli and a colony did not apply to their conquests in North Africa, same as it didnt for Turks in the Balkans or Cyprus. Hell, the Irish territories of The Pale and the Angevin empire had more of a colony than Melilla ever did.
they are rightfully spanish cause they were originally pobalyted by Portuguese and then handed as a gift, they have been spanish since medieval times it's not the same
@@occam7382Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized as Spanish land, Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN
It's not what the British or Spanish want, it depends on what the indigenous population of Gibraltar want.
You restore my faith in CZcams.
Wonder why Marocco doesn't want to take part in the dispute 🤣
Because they are two different cases. Gibraltar was robbed, Spain has Ceuta and Melilla way before the country of Morocco and Moroccan identity were created
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf Robbed? Lost in a war and gave away in a treaty is a stretch from getting "robbed"
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfbroo goo to the library and learn the true history hahhahaha morocco ( al maghrib al aqsa ) existed before spain and ceuta and mellila were part of him
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfThey are two different cases because you want to justify them as such, whilst the two have some key similarities. Both involve a local population that identifies more closely with the culture and nationality of a far away mainland, instead of the country right next to them that they share a land border with. The inhabitants of both, which were also born there, want to remain with their current national identity. If Spain is smart, they will build closer ties so Gibraltar inhabitants become more closely aligned with them over a generation or two. They should probably start that right about now, or ideally 50 years ago. Would resolve a lot of political headaches for the UK if the people of Gibraltar wanted to join Spain, so the ball is in the Spanish court to win the local opinion.
@@moatazyacour9971 Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies.
I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.