Why Are LOCALIZERS Taking Away YOUR Traps & Femboys?
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Over the years, there's been constant discourse over the word “trap” as well as the characters pertaining to this genre. So, Today we're looking at the recent Seven Seas localization incident as many who have covered the topic don’t seem to truly know how far the rabbit hole of this event goes.
As well as, taking a look back at the detailed history surrounding “trap” discourse from those that try to claim characters like Astolfo are transgender to taking apart the mindsets manufacturing said discourse.
No matter what you’re looking for on this topic it’s here.
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00:00 - An Introduction To Traps
01:13 - Seven Seas & The Most Recent Situation.
05:10 - The Depths Of The Rabbit Hole
08:03 - The Mindset & Its Continued False Narratives
14:19 - Control & Why Trap Is Not A Slur
17:31 - Identity & Belief
19:26 - Outro - Hry
Never forget what they took from you.
Its unforgivable.
as long as you still around i'm cool
At least we get a Dimitri video out of it
Not only will I never forget, I will never forgive
Embrace tradition.
I loath people pushing the idea that everyone who crossdresses or engages in drag is trans or even gay. It is incredibly reductive, it can be true but there is no inherent truth to it.
Virtually every women in western society technically today crossdesses. And in the middle east men wear traditional clothes that can only be categorically placed into the dresses section of seamstry. Men used to wear high heels! How people dress is influenced by society, but it is completely divorced from sexuality. Things are men and women's clothes not because of some innate connection to genetics, but because of trends.
They're basically erasing us and making it all about them.
I'm NB and I present femme but, I still acknowledge my masculinity and am not gonna give that up for the Twitter Mob or the squeamish among the "community" that feel a need to co-opt my expression. I'm not a crossdresser, I'm not trans; it may be convenient in certain contexts and with certain people to use those terms, but I am just wearing stuff I feel pretty in and have femme things about me. But I am not stealing valour from actual trans people cos well, that's just silly. I clarify all these things and it can be exhausting but, I tragically[?] just like wearing dresses/skirts, leggings and stockings and such, and gravitate toward Womens'TM tops over pants and average dress shirts, but it really ain't THAT deep. And the fact that people want to handle these issues with kid gloves or outright fascistic control of our expression individually, really gets my goat.
@@Jotari iunno if this is just me misremembering history lessons but was it not taboo for women to wear trousers/slacks/jeans and whatnot? Feel free to correct me but yeah, I feel like a buncha Scottish bros in kilts will have something to say on this issue; the garments don't make the individual. The soul of the individual does. People wear make-up, get haircuts/styles, dress in a way to present in a certain way every day. It's sad that people are running too far in pains to avoid stereotypes, just to ultimately enforce them. This goes along racial lines as we but, that's a whole different essay.
@@viscountrainbows6452 Well yeah, like a hundred years. But today the only place you'll find anyone complain about women wearing trousers would be in those hyper conservative parts of the US.
It's ironic that so many of these characters' arcs are about how you can still be a man despite having feminine qualities, and people think they're being progressive by invalidating that.
from a Japanese cultural standpoint, you could even say these characters' stories are very relevant points to make regarding traditional Japanese culture since it had the tendency to lean towards the macho, the stoic, the man with the wide back as referenced from romanticized samurai stories. It's essentially commentaries by the authors about their own culture. And it's being ruined and hijacked by people who don't have a drop of care or probably don't even have the intellect to understand the minutia of the author's intent.
the wolf criers keep being the actual most racist or sexist or transphobic ones this irony has gotten old on me
@@yllare they lack tact if they wished for sacrilege to the source that could maintain most of the story trans characters that where girl to dude would work but they either don't care or are a worse writer then my mother.
@@sarahmellinger3335 I would hazard a guess that most translators are just that, translators. They change a foreign language into one understandable by the target audience nevermind the artistic part of it. They don't understand the subtleties and artistry of the written word hence why I assume some complex narratives and commentaries on contemporary issues tend to go over their heads or be interpreted incorrectly.
as a trans guy who wears skirts sometimes, the idea that feminine presentation = closeted woman is just... such reductive nonsense. it honestly seems like regurgitation of conservative gender essentialist talking points.
Y'know for a group of people who use "colonizer" as one of their main insults they sure do like actually colonizing other culture's media
Never trust anything that a SJW tells you, most of the time it's them self projecting how they truly are in others
the group always projects.
Topkek.
Remember, Asians cannot talk about sexism in Asian culture, they're not allowed to process it unless they put the Western trans experience first.
I believe that one Japanese author, or perhaps politician, I forget which, has called them "cultural imperialists", a term that I find apt.
2000s: "You're wearing a skirt? What are you, a girl?"
2020s: "Oh, you're wearing a skirt? Then you MUST be a girl"
Time is a fucking donut
When you're so progressive and open minded that you come full circle and return back to the starting point
Society 🚬
uh yeah?? what's the other argument, that's literally how it is
they're evolving, but i wish they'd evolve bigger brains instead of whatever they're doing
I was talking to my friend yesterday about Saint Seiya and Shun is one of his favorite Saints. He hates that in a newer version they turned him into a women because he was a feminine man. His role in the story was to show men can still be strong even when feminine and turning him into a women completely defeats the point of his story arc
Yeah, the most gentle Athena Saint, got turned female because they're feminine and the director said they need more female characters... DEFEATING the whole purpose of his character.
@@Kaimax61 the Director is a fucking idiot, Shaina, Marin and Chameleon June already exist
and they got good roles in the Sanctuary, Poseidon and Hades Arc
They never should made the Netflix one to pander to Americans because
a. The animation is subpar
b. it would been better in Latino America and Mexico with 2D animation but they got a horrible voice actor for Seiya since Jesus Barrero passed away
c. This subpar animation plus the live action is gonna put a nail to the coffin in the series, its fucking bullshit since we havent gotten a single good animation project since the Tenkai Hen Overture cancelled movies, where they blew their load from the Hades Ovas into a movie before finishing their fucking project
Gosh, that's lame. Shun has always been so cool to me
I keep saying in comments that they should've turned either Ikki or Hyoga into a girl if they really wanted one.
I discard Shiryu because his aesthetic is all about being a man's man who strips in every single goddamn fight to prove he is the better man and his fight with Seiya cannot happen without changing what little personality Seiya has.
On the other hand Hyoga's arc is about growing up to be a true warrior and fighting for a cause with resolve but without losing his humanity, which is gender neutral; and Ikki's is about letting go of his hatred and then being a proper big brother for the team, which despite my wording is gender neutral.
It's almost as if the people in charge didn't actually understand the manga and Kurumada wasn't involved as much as they like to pretend.
1 for 1 ramna 1/2. ending of that show killed me. just tell your mom your ranma and that despite turing in to a girl your still manly.
Whats funny to me about the "Naoto and Chihiro is trans" argument is that people who made the argument are either clueless on the context of the characters actual situations or are flat out being disingenuous for the sake of their own argument.
Its especially toxic when it comes to Chihiro, a character who crossdresses to cope with trauma he suffered from being relentlessly bullied for being weak and his own insecurities and clearly wants to get past this by getting stronger and act like his gender.
Not metaphorically either. He literally went to the gym with a classmate to get stronger
@@kalebcoons6405 Well look how that turned out for him
those people are probably the most sexist of all to be frank
Pray for my boy Chihiro
@@viacrucishector1821 Chihiro should have started training sooner, he could helped train Mondo.
RIP Chihiro
"Just let dudes be dudes."
A pretty succinct final point.
I've seen a lot of fuss about the 'erasure of tomboys' through current means but when it comes to the removal and declassification of feminine men, no one seems to give a shit.
do you fight for things you dont like?
Because alot just do not like the existence of feminine men as it means weak.
Means Beta, means unable to produce strong.
No matter the case some just don't like it , I'm for femboys personally.
It's not just feminine men but all men. See the incessant complaints about why shōnen anime (ie. anime literally made for teenage boys) don't have female protagonists instead. Essentially, they want men relegated to be only side characters that can easily be ignored, if at that.
wait, if they want to call crossdressers trans because they dress like the opposite gender, are they saying that being trans is literally just an outfit you wear? seems like they're hurting everything involved.
It is 💔 unfortunately there is a misunderstanding among non-transgender people that transgender just means crossdressing while being gay. This is why trans people get so defensive over the word “trap” and trap characters, because we are confused for each other. I hope our communities can reconcile one day- I feel at home in both the crossdressing and transgender communities and I want us to all support and accept each other
Yes the ideological theory has gotten that crazy. Gender is an aesthetic you adopt and the complete elimination of nature and even nurture really. It's meaningless and anybody can be anything if they so wish.
The right likes to say that identifying as the opposite gender and identifying as a deer are equally valid. They really aren't if you logic through it but with the leftist conception there really is nothing making one more valid than the other.
Chihiro's arc in DR1 actually got a few tears out of me while I was playing because I can relate to being bullied a lot over my masculinity growing up, and it just rubs me completely wrong to see Chihiro so poorly misunderstood by large swaths of people. It feels like we're regressing as a society where people are being to black and white about what men are allowed to be. Commonly you see female characters that look like a men with short hair, dress in tuxedos, act masculine and all that, but still see themselves as a woman, and that's usually respected, but when a boy acts or looks like a woman, then everyone seems to get tunnel visioned into the idea that they must be trans.
I legit saw someone say that if you think chihiro's arc is not transphobic, you're cisgender. Which is pretty weird cuz they're actually being transphobic by saying that, cuz they imply that every trans people have the same opinions and thoughts and that they are a hivemind, with no thoughts for themselves. Most of these guys are pretty bigoted themselves
Honestly Chihiro not just being trans and instead being a boy who went through a complex struggle with his identity and digging himself deeper and deeper into a more painful hole was very unique and more complex.
Chihiro was great. That is all
I don’t remember this story in dead rising 1
@@imstillhere5990 lol they meant the game/show Danganronpa trigger happy havoc or as it's commonly known as DR1 of the murder classroom games
@@walterwhitecookingchannel8912 I maybe mis-remembering this but, didn't it say that dressing as a girl just make his complex worse?
As a guy who occasionally crossdresses, the past few years have been wild. Watching other people take over the words that always meant "crossdresser", claim they actually mean "trans woman", and then claim that I, of all people, can't say them (even when referring to fictional characters who crossdress) because calling trans women a "crossdresser" is offensive. I called that it would happen to "femboy" when they started doing it to "trap", and I'm sure if "crossdresser" ever got as popular as either of those it would be next.
Oh don't worry, I've already seen people say crossdresser is antiquated and offensive too. Because how dare we assign gender association to inanimate objects like clothes.
Because these kinds of zealots from cult-like factions of the LGBT community want to essentially erase the concepts of tomboys and femboys. So that its much easier to convince anyone questioning their masculinity or feminity (which is incredibly common around the time of puberty in both males and females), that if they are feeling any insecurity about who they are as a person then it must be becsuse they are trans and there is no other explanation. Any words addressing non-traditional gender roles that are not controlled by them have to be deemed "problematic" and "-phobic". Its all about indocrination and control.
Femboy is next. I've witnessed people already getting offended for using femboy in any type of way!
Thanks so much for this comment! Language today is becoming another casualty of this political football game, certain words you can and can’t use, and I think in Philosophy of Language it was people like Foucault and Derrida that started this precedent about the power of words and language (and how they could be changed as political leverage).
It’s to my understanding that you can be a crossdresser and that a trans woman is a separate thing, but like… how should I say this… I’m worried about the future of our culture because of this precedent that’s being set with certain words you can and can’t say.
But I don’t want to feel like a reactionary, like some boomer dad complaining “omg culture is changing” and feel like an old man yelling at a cloud, because culture always changes over time.
I feel you, I cross dress on occasion and some of these people will think I'm an "egg".
For those who don't know, an egg is a trans person who hasn't came out yet. So yeah, if you cross dress, you're an egg to them. They literally need to erase your identity to validate theirs.
The only thing they're taking away is their job because if this continues to happen people are just going to start fan-subbing again
that would be great, fan subs were always better, adding effects for the text and trying to explain things
well, there's still fansub as of now, so
I hope they continue localizing, because the more they do the quicker they'll be working elsewhere. 🤣
What gets me a lot is the sheer ego when they boast about it
Yes, very much so fansubbing 2000s for a long time tbh.
I think the irony in all of this is that it has the opposite effect these people want. Most really nerdy people are into nerd things because they dont care about a lot of current political and social issues and want to just enjoy their hobbies. These people trying to garner support of LGBT community by changing stories with bad translations just makes formerly neutral entities spiteful to their cause. Good video
I find it doubly ironic because for years anything remotely related to the lgbt community was excluded from being shown. Now those in that very community are excluding others because they don’t fit their image of the community. It’s so sad how fast people who claimed they were oppressed and censored are now behaving in the same way that they had a problem with. I really do believe it’s all about power like Dimitri said in the video. The so called activist don’t care about everyone being able to express themselves. All they care about is their freedom to express themselves.
Lets be fair though, most of those "neutral" entities aren't actually neutral and instead are content with the status quo and simply apathetic or even hostile to change because the lack of it won't affect them either way. The only way you don't upset them is with incremental progress or by reaffirming preconceived notions. There's a reason why the silent majority in nearly any cross section of a group leans more to relatively conservative values. Not to say there's not progressive types stepping over media to assert their narrative but that's not what's turning these people off of the LGBT cause. They were never going to try to help in the first place.
@@anentiresleeveoforeos2087 Thats ridiculous. If extreme conservatives were doing this they would be just as mad. I lived this.
@@-lord1754 Saying extreme conservatives only proves my point. Most people have intense opinions about any number of topics, including political, but don't care enough to actually motivate themselves to action. Most people may not like social backsliding but barring some more egregious examples will do very little to stop it because, since they by definition constitute the majority, it will barely affect them. How many men care about Roe vs Wade in contrast to the amount of women? Then compare to who's actually behind the activism. Women's rights is a relatively popular opinion too compared to LGBT rights. Moderate Manny might deign to speak up when the gays are being beaten on the street but when they're the punchline for the 50th time it's not worth the trouble for him. Same shit with anime except there's a lot more terminally online no lifes calling other people f****ts and a community pretty willing to accept that.
@@anentiresleeveoforeos2087 The point is lost on deaf ears i am not wasting my time with this anymore
I never really took them seriously when they said trap is a slur. But when they said femboy is a slur I really didn't take them seriously again. And then I realised what it was truly about for these people. It wasn't about being offensive. It's about erasing feminine boys
When you call a trans person a trap/femboy it’s definitely a slur
It's basically this, they constantly say that those words are transphobic, which means they seriously believe a man's only reason to not follow gender norms must be because they are a closeted woman, this even brings up the sexist stereotypes of Men=cold and bold, Female=fragile back again, ironically form people who call themselves woke and progressive
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock Yup it's really funny to me how despite being about dismantling gender norms/roles they seem to uphold them in instances like this
I mean, I kinda agreed with the trap being a slur or being treated as one, but saying femboy is a slur is just a complete misunderstanding of how femboys and transfem people work
@@serafeather4507 Are you saying femboy implies trans...? That doesn't sound right...
With Naoto's case, they even say that she is trans because she dresses with masculine clothes, when she explains that she wears them because it's more comfortable for her, or because she likes boys things, like Neo Featherman (an Power Rangers/Super Sentai parody). With that logic we can even say Kanji is also trans because he likes cute things and sewing, something that's seen as femenine.
Another false narrative about Naoto is in the Christmas date (only accesible when Naoto is your girlfriend) where a lot of people think you force her to wear the femenine school uniform, when in reality it was her idea. Yeah, she seems uncomfortable wearing it but she did it anyways because she thought you would like seeing her wearing that.
Naoto's arc is not about if she sees herself as a boy or a girl, it's that she doesn't have to pretend being someone she isn't only to please others (in this case, their collagues at her work). And that's demonstrated not only in her social link, but also in her Persona's evolutions, and in Golden's epilogue and Persona 4 Dancing, both instances where she dresses more femenine.
These people don't care about representation, they only care about boosting their internet popularity.
As a dude who really struggled with a general lack of masculine hobbies(the only thing that really pointed to me being a guy behavior wise was anger manifesting as the desire to do violence through brute force, an issue I had to work on), I found Kanji to be relatable. Kinda the same with Naoto, as I had issues with putting on a face for people. The ideas within their arcs were part of why I liked 4 so much. Kanji in particular is a major factor in my self image, or at the least the ideal he represented: the intimidating powerful guy who is also a kind and caring person without sacrificing either.
They also fail to realize that options in responding to her Christmas date routine are *functionally* A) applaud her effort, or B) affirm that you like her for her.
Reject localization
Embrace fan subbing/dubbing
Seriously, at this rate if they won't do their damn jobs right the first time, the fans may as well do it *for* them like so many used to
Agreed!
Never left fansubbing when possible, usually it is better
oh I'm way ahead of you, been doing that since I've been 12 lol
Stay vigilant
Many of their types worm their way in to use as a form of resume buildin
@@vidmastereon THIS. There are, sadly, some fansubs and fan translations which alter things for an agenda. Apparently there's a new Fire Emblem Fates re-translation that is adding in more gay relationships than there originally were and openly admitting to altering the text.
...well at least they're honest anyway.
I have never seen a group of professionals be as collectively dishonest as localizers are. Not to say all of them are this way but many of them are. There are some dipshits on the other side as well who will complain about the most mild things as well but there are a lot of localizations that are done horribly. Once you see one egregious mistake it potentially puts the entire localization into question, which is the same as finding a hair in your soup when you go out to eat. Is there more hair in the soup? What else could potentially be in there? What is the hygiene of the kitchen staff like? Was my bowl even properly cleaned? It's the same with localization.
Ooh! That's a good analogy! I'm stealing that. Working on a video on the localization of Gotta Protectors: Cart of Darkness, a game I've effectively waited a decade for. I was tipped off when a line in the intro had the Princess assuming the player was female and a fairy corrected her with "It's the 80s hun. It's a he. And he's white. Except when he's Asian. It's complicated."
This being a Japanese made game, makes NO sense so in a fit of rage I bought the Japanese version and used Google Translate on my phone to compare the localization and sure enough not only was that not in the Japanese version but there was just the absolute most random changes made to the English version. Like changing the shops name from "Fairy's Anvil" to "Choppe Shoppe" (this is noteworthy because this is an art asset, not text, so the shop had to be redrawn). WHY?! What's sad is that honestly a lot of the localization is fine, they just added in extra cringe jokes and changed a few random things. But dammit I found a hair in my soup.
@@GELTONZ This pains me so much. Translation and localization has been a huge issue for about half a century now.
That's why most people who like anime prefer fan subs to official ones as the american media industry loves to insert left wing politics eg dragon maid's patriarchy line
@@bob74h67 The instant I heard about that one particular line in the Dragon Maid dub, I immediately decided "well, I'm never watching a dub again". I've found out localizers are doing this more and more with subtitles, too, so I try my best to pay attention to the audio as well as the subtitles.
Male femininity is a concept that really seems to bother people still. Even in really progressive circles, I've noticed. If someone wants to be wear a skirt or some girl jeans, they're automatically expected to transition. Ever notice how femme gay men just never really show up in Western television, movies or games or anything? I don't know quite what it is. But, it's really weird.
This gets more-than-a-bit more insidious actually. There have been multiple cases where parents had a problem with their kids coming out, but for whatever reason, were _less_ troubled by them either transitioning or planning towards it. With things like 'detransitioning' rates coming into the spotlight more, it makes you wonder if there was some sort of inappropriate (if unintended) pressure involved on the part of the parents...
I've seen many gay people point this out too. High chance they get labeled a phobe (of some sort) afterwards if it's a public question of course.
Sometimes I wonder there's a part of society that just dislikes male femininity _and_ masculinity. Maybe just guys in general? Really makes you think...
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist That's how it was with an ex of mine. My mom had no qualms with me dating a guy (I'm bi) but she was weirded out by me dating a feminine guy specifically. I have noticed there is pressure on feminine men to transition though. Any time we'd go to a gay bar or whatever, trans people were always pushing him and saying he was just an "egg". All those interactions were just insanely weird.
@@ZeroBusterXX "Weird" is not the word I would use. Various synonyms of "vile" seem more appropriate.
@@ZeroBusterXX I agree it is indeed extremely vile to push someone to be something they are not. As a transgender person, I hope one day we can reconcile gnc and transgender people both existing and live in the world where we don’t have to be anything we are not 💜
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist This is really interesting. In mine and many other’s cases, parents would push their transgender children to be gnc gay people of their birth sex- regardless of their presentation or who they were attracted to. I think trans and gay people are conflated so much and it hurts both of us, putting ourselves against each other when we should be supporting each other 💔
If localizers didn't want the reputation they have maybe they should do their job
They never will cause translating anime, manga and games is the mcdonalds of translation jobs 99% of the people their either suck to much to get a better translation gig or enjoy the feeling of control they get by being who decides how loads of people will experience a certain kind of content. There are translators out there willing to deal with all the bullshit and try to actually push out good accurate as possible translations and hell they could even be a silent majority but the fact is it takes one shitter to mess up a whole project or atleast a part (like episode, character and so on. It sure feels like 99% are bad
@@Arrakiz666 changing a characters core identity is not a different interpretation. Don't get me wrong I know japanese does not directly translate, I know many fantranslators have their own agenda to push at times, I know japan often ignores forgin market's and supports big changes thinking it'll do better there or be less of a hassle
But man when I see a character who represents a more niche group i'd like to think "oh cool that's not a demographic I expected to see in a game like this" and not wonder if it was a change made by localizers
@@Arrakiz666 They don't have a right though. They're not the author of the works they're localizing, and it's not their job to interpret it differently. Their job is to accurately translate a work and make grammatic changes where necessary, not to change the intent of the content within the show. If they truly hate the content they're working on as much as they do, then they have two options; treat it as a professional job and detatch themselves emotionally from it, or find a job they're more qualified to do. You should follow your own advice and get over yourself, because these shows and games clearly aren't made for you, if you agree with censorship.
@@Arrakiz666 They have greater rights than the original creator?
@@Arrakiz666 wow people who can’t read the text there is problems with can’t complain about something in the text they can’t read. Shocker.
The translators were hired because people don’t read both languages to complain about the e tampering in the story and thus the companies hire people who alter things because no one is any the wiser. They obviously are just told no one has issue with their work and no one can counter that because the public has no way to know when they only see one half of the story due to language barriers.
Yes these people should write their own stories instead of rewriting other people’s and making a translation company that can’t fix how there are dozens of others that would still mess things up does nearly nothing to solve the problem. Complaining to alert people is the way in this case.
Imagine terms like transphobic and misogynist being so misused that you can tell a company is good based on how many people call them that.
Stardock ftw😌
something these people don't understand is that Traps(in otaku culture) are supposed to be a trope that plays on gay-leaning bisexuality. the fun IS in the character being gender non-confirming MALE, interacting with and teasing the bisexuality or homosexuality of the other characters(or the audience's), or even just the swagger of being confident in how natural living this way can be for them. This is celebrated. It's our fun.
these people need to read more Prunus Girl.
Just an FYI not all traps have that "intending to trap you" mentality. Some do, and those are definitely the kinds that show up most often in shounen. But just as many have their own unique and interesting reasons for presenting the way they do. One of the examples given, Hiura, clearly isn't trying to "trick" anyone.
@@Otome_chan311that's fine. they don't have to be deceptive. they have to make you go "Wait a minute". sometimes it's even better if they're all out there about it.
the big thing is that they have that allure that drives the self-aware or budding bisexual predator to question themselves. it's fun. sometimes it's not a trap, it's just a big piece of bait in front of you, taunting you.
I always enjoy hearing your perspective on these issues. It makes me feel like I’m not crazy as a fellow gay dude who loves Japanese media seeing all these westerners on twitter and reddit distort something I’ve held near and dear for decades.
Clearly these people have forgotten that there is such a thing as Crossdressers, Drag Queens, Transvestites, and Otokonokos. Why is that?
Because drag queens are trans, now. It's not cool enough to just be gay or just wear a dress. You gotta fit into the politics.
If you use the term Transvestite then you're probably a gay man from the 60s
They say those words are offensive. 🙃
@@Dinker27 I mean Transvestite is kind of outdated though there are probably some older trans people who are fine with the term
@@ellagage1256 I think the same idea can apply, though. When I was a kid, transvestite was outdated because it was considered offensive to the trans community despite a crossdressing man not being inherently so. Femboys are just the new head on the chopping block.
The bad reputation these localizers have is well deserved.
Fred from Scooby Doo is going to be very upset when he hears about this
Imagine forcing someone to be something they’re not, simply because how they look and dress. Sounds extremely backwards to me.
When you're so _progressive_ that you loop around and become _regressive_ ...
In the name of gender nonconformity, we must rigidly enforce gender roles.
This reminded me of the drama just recent with Finana of Nijisan when she was gonna ban the word "trap" in her chat because she view it or was told by others it was offensive. Made a tweet about it and then followed up with "educate yourself" for those that didn't agree with her and then got backlash. She apologized for it and had unbanned the word, but most of the damage was done.
Something I want to point out specifically with "How to make a "girl" fall in love" is that the interview where the author says the MC is a crossdressing guy was posted a year before the Seven Seas localization came out. Yet their friend still says that they "did their homework".
Either they did absolutely no research or they saw that interview and decided to completely ignore it and I do not know which one is worse.
Speaking of Fate, based on their profiles from the wiki, I actually thought that Mordred was trans rather than Astolfo. Astolfo's vibes were more "he's fucking with you and just likes cute clothes" whereas Mordred actually does not want to be seen as female *at all*. But... no one ever mentions Mordred when talking about trans characters.
Funny thing is, Mordred isn't trans either. There are actual trans Servants, like Leonardo, but no one talks about them.
@@Coffy-chan leonardo sounds actually really interesting. i haven't played any fate game, so i hadn't heard about any other characters than astolfo, d'eon, mordred, and saber, pretty much.
@@unidorsalicosahedron7416 In Fate Leonardo fell so in love with his own Mona Lisa, whom he views as the perfect woman, that he chose to assume her visage upon being summoned. Astolfo is just a crossdresser. Saber and Mordred are women who take on male identities for political reasons. D'Eon is actually intersex. People tend to get confused because there's alot of nuance. I broke it down for simplicity, but it really is a disservice to the actual writing. It's a series worth checking out.
@@Coffy-chan Caenis too, being a trans man in the original myth. -But my headcanon is that Caenis' prime was when she never got 'forced' by Poseidon which is why she is summoned as a woman in Fate, and Caenus, the male one is a 5 star avenger with an Anti-Divine niche NP boss killer that is very very stronk-
And this isn't from Fate franchise but I'd add Miss Arashi Narukami to the mix. She's a canon trans girl with her own flaws and personality yet no one seems to talk about her.
@@yuri-sama.questionmark Hadn't heard of those characters. Thanks for the add. Honestly anime has always been absolutely flooded with lgbt rep that people choose to ignore.
I like the point you bring up that these people that are always trying to say Astolfo is transgender never bother to bring up Chevalier d'Eon at all. D'Eon specifically states that they will be any gender for you but sure enough they don't actually know about d'Eon because they don't care and just want to claim who the most popular character is. Love d'Eon and Astolfo btw they are both cute and d'Eon was my tutorial summon when I first played FGO.
@@Arrakiz666 What? Why does that matter? You're making it sound like they were purposely excluded from Apocrypha. D'Eon appears in the FGO story pretty often and is even one of the main servants in Agartha along with Astolfo so I don't really see your point. Also I'll say that d'Eon appears in the anime Fate/Grand Carnival, it may not be a serious anime but d'Eon is there.
@@Arrakiz666 The Apocrypha novel the anime is based on predates FGO and D'eon and DaVinci weren't even created yet. FGO is also insanely popular and probably how most people have gotten into fate in recent times, it easily dwarfs Apocrypha (the novel or anime) in exposure. You sound like a secondary. More so, it sounds like you want to latch onto popular characters as a way of scoring "points" even if it's not actually a good representation of what you're looking for
@BendyTheInkMachineFan2022 Anything anime I would assume and nothing else, as to them anime is the only thing that matters.
They have multiple other comments stating how manga examples of trans characters do not matter in comparison to anime, so I would assume they think the same way about VNs, games, LNs, etc.
Some characters that are trans in Fate though, for example (whether they chose to be or not) are Nezha, Jacque de Molay, DaVinci, Caenis and D'Eon is genderfluid, though D'Eon was originally a male who developed the ability to change genders at will through self hypnosis.
--Nezha is based on the story, they were a man who died and was resurrected as a woman. This wasn't really by choice but in Fate it seems Nezha doesn't mind it at all and is referred to as female.
--Jacque is the most recent one I believe, this one was a forced transition by a Foreign god who can only be hosted by a woman, so they changed Jacque into a woman. The process did make Jacque pretty much think they were a woman, but they do have some memories of being a man and it's a bit distressful?
--DaVinci... yeah we all know the drill if we've played the game. DaVinci made a puppet body and transferred himself into it thus transitioning to female.
--Caenis is based on their myth, they got reaped by Poseidon as a woman and Poseidon gave them a wish, the wish was to be male so they'd never go through that again. Unfortunately Caenis later starting doing the same to women. Caenis when summoned is... in the middle? It has something to do with both forms of Caenis mixing together when they became a servant, female body but the mentality of male Caenis. It's weird, but people love Caenis regardless and it's pretty accepted to called them either Her/They due to how complicated it is.
There's probably a few that could be considered trans? But nothing that's pretty much outright said.
@@Arrakiz666 da Vinci is explicitly trans, she appears on fgo's anime and is mostly recognized as female by fate fans. I don't really remember if the part where is said that she is trans is in the anime but in the game is basicaly that "da vinci the male artist" decided to apear as female
@@Arrakiz666 Da Vinci is in a main anime in my opinion. FSN already ended and FGO is the main now.
It is true that fate has genderbend just because two horny kids wanted waifus in their game(can you blame them?), trans themes are a recent thing.
And aparently Mordred doesn't like being called a man czcams.com/video/qrixOElCnS/video.html
I'm pretty sure there are lots of transphobic weebs, but also trans weebs and cis weebs who support them as you can se in some coments here. If you think the comunity is leaning to the wrong way I can only say that being rude and hatefull won't help(not really saying that you are)
I don't necessarily subscribe to the whole erasure of gender roles since I'm the kind of girl that wants a masculine man that can make me feel safe, likes to dress girly, wants to have and raise kids etc. However I do believe that just because gender roles exist it doesn't mean every person of that gender has to abide by them. Isn't it counterproductive on their part to act like men that are feminine are just women as opposed to feminine men?
200% counterproductive. But the people acting like feminine men don't exist are the same type of people who hunt down lgbt - biggots, except their priorities are reversed. They really hurt the whole lgbtq cause
And by the same logic "masculine" women would be trans men. But obviously no one should call them that.
There are girls that are into bodybuilding and "look like men" but they say themselves that it not makes them "not girly" o "less women"
@@LCortesDana Unfortunately these are the same people who unironically think tomboys are closet transmen and femboys are closet transfem.
They literally make everything about them and apparently to them having a smaller frame and feminine face as a man means you absolutely are transfem, you just don't know it yet.
It's disgusting how they try to force people into it or continue to imply that is what that person is.
At the same time they don't want people saying they're their birth sex... so ya know, hypocrites lol
This doesn't apply to all trans people btw, only the weirdos who actually think like this.
"Erasure of Gender Roles" USED TO just mean that "we should stop forcing gender roles onto people and stop forcing people to abide by them". Dunno about now though.
Yeah, the thing is making people comfortable to be who they are even if not following gender roles, so "It dresses like a girl so it but be a (trans) girl" is going completly backwards, is ironic that they dont realize that
Remember
If you’re a translator, and your translation isn’t accurate to the original
Then you are not doing your job correctly
@@Arrakiz666 Impressed you came back after littering the comments with bad takes before bailing. Corporate people deciding what a person should do does not make it good for the story and consumers wanting the workers to do something beyond what they deem dumb corporate stupidity is normal.
@@Arrakiz666 The fact you don't see the transphobia in suggesting "you should submit to those who force a gender on you because they were right all along" says you shouldn't even trust yourself to speak.
There is no transphobia in saying the trans characters that exist shouldn't have ten thousand layers of disturbing undertones due to the lore they were plastered over. Just make new ones or no rep at all maybe, instead of that mockery?
@@Arrakiz666 Bridget always wanted to be free of being treated and raised like a woman/girl and be manly, making them fall back is gross and ruins the character arc, the end.
Also there is potential that Bridget only says they are a girl in the bad ending, the good ending doesn’t say that. That’s been going around too with some video, don’t know how legit.
@@Arrakiz666 wow, you are gender role fetishist potential homophobe on some level, I see why you come here and spam, you force your cheap view of gender on others. You got called out since they very well don't actually identify as female at all unless you fail the game lmao
You made this up in your head and ignored the rest of what I said, just put fanfiction down that contradicts the rest of my message
Like, what even does that first part of your post mean? You think dressing effeminate without people forcing you despite still wanting to be a man is solved by being a woman? Get real. He can dress that way and be a man and the good ending people are talking about sounds like it has just that. keep lusting over the "BAD ENDING" though. You keep ignoring that and just keep babbling without thinking about it. What if you are full of it because you didn't check? This is proof you are mindless. You didn't bother and fanfiction splooged out three paragraphs
Netflix took Shawn away from us and gave us... Shauna 🤢 like doesn’t that destroy the lore where female knights need to wear masks
astolfo especially is a weird case of this as there's actual lore about why he started dressing the way he does and not having that context + him being a quirky and confident person seems to give many people the wrong impression. Also he's cute as heck and I'm jealous.
It's weird that they completely ignore both Leonardo da Vinci (a transgender woman) and the aforementioned Chevalier d'Eon ( a actually non-binary character) like they don't even exist.
@@artoriapendragonidilfitri7414 Don't forget our resident clay-based lifeform Enkidu :)
@@Mitsunee_ oh yeah.
@@artoriapendragonidilfitri7414Because they want clout so they aim for the famous one. Astolfo reputation from all the memes and trap jokes is just too big that even people know nothing about Fate might know of him, in contrast actual and valid trans character like Da Vinci most people wouldn't know about unless they play the scummy gacha game.
i wouldn't call Da vinci trans, he just loved his Mona lisa so much that he wished to become her
Don't usually like videos but with how much dumb crap people are pulling on twitter recently and my own personal past/experience on the topic, this one really got my like.
Screw anyone who tries to force cis fem-men to be trans, it's not their decision to decide someone else's identity, because isn't that what they've been screaming about for decades now? Guess in their own logic it doesn't apply to them.
No hate towards trans community, most of them are chill.
@@Arrakiz666 They are allowed to share their opinions but they absolutely should not change the work of another to fit their "expression."
A femboy character should not be changed to transfem just because someone wants to change them, that's an insult to the original creator by altering their work to fit the standards someone else has.
Imagine if you created this cool laid back character who blows off every opposite sex that hits on them, but it's only because they can't be bothered with relationship stuff and are all business. Now imagine if someone out there in the world unironically decided "Wow they ignore and reject every opposite sex person that comes up to him! Confirmed gay!" even though that was not your intention. It's changing the character to fit their own narrative.
There is nothing wrong with fanfiction, but altering the original work like these localizers have is immoral and ingenuine. They don't care about the original work, they just want people to see "Hey look! I'm inclusive! Give me more money!"
@@Arrakiz666 jesus christ dude you don't gotta build an entire strawman debate club, you can build the one.
But yeah, localizers have a right to free speech and expression - in their own work. If I pay you to print a book for me and you decide to insert your own 'free speech and expression' by deleting random pages, changing the words on other pages and altering how the characters act in the story, then fuck you, I won't pay you a cent. A localizers job is to adapt a piece of work so it can be consumed by someone unable to consume the original piece of work, it's not to create their own fancy interpretation. That's the job of a parody writer, or a fanfic writer, or hell just a sequel or spin-off writer - but I think we all know that the people making these changes are never going to get a job actually writing their own project, so instead they just butcher stories that others have written.
@@Arrakiz666 What hypocrisy? I have said nothing that contradicts anything else that I have said so you're either twisting words or completely misunderstanding.
My original comment was "screw anyone who tries to force cis femboys to be trans, they are not trans and choose not to be, you cannot decide if they are or not it is not your decision."
My reply to you was "anyone who forcibly changes femboys to trans, straights to gay, etc. are completely disrespecting the creator of said media."
What here is contradicting???
@@Arrakiz666 I also would be against anyone who tries to change trans characters to cis femboys/tomboys as that would also be completely disrespecting the creator of media and those people.
Both are not good, you shouldn't be taking someone else's character/story and altering the official version of that character/story.
Fanfiction is completely different, they are not official and/or canon, the creator did not make it, that's why it is called fanfiction. These localizers are changing the official story/character, they are not making a fanfiction, so therefore what they are doing is completely wrong and should not be doing so.
@@Arrakiz666 Go touch grass! You are the hypocrite here! Your cult always scream about "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences", but the moment you piss off people because of your idiotic takes, suddenly it's harassment.
Remember that in the same series, Fate, SJWs call Mordred 'trans' because she hates being called a girl. She only wants the term KING like Saber.
There have been Female kings IRL too, one I remember was crowned king because of a loophole queens couldn't rule but nothing said a woman couldn't be crowned king
Mordred is the Embodiment of "Man, Woman, Knight, fuck all that I'm a fucking *KING* "
@@Arrakiz666 Yeah Jadwiga who is playable in CIV 6
It's so upsetting cause the manga was getting an accurate fan translation but when it got licensed the scanlators dropped it. I absolutely loathe western localizers they get away with this stuff way too much.
Yeah this is upsetting. Scanlators need to just continue even if it's officially picked up, because the fan translations are always better.
Another great video on this ever frustrating topic. By the way, the next word on the chopping block is "Futanari". I've seen some people insist this word is transphobic and offensive and that the proper term is "intersex" which is...wew buddy. Sadly I've already seen...certain image boards...auto replace the Futa tag with Intersex.
Also can we all give a round of applause to these people for helping murder Granblue Fantasy Versus in cold blood? Because yeah, Ladiva is not trans but because they use female pronouns, every time they show up on screen everyone in the chat starts calling him "best girl" and some poor soul will ask "Wait, is Ladiva ACTUALLY female?!" as they are a fictional race and they get bombarded with conflicting answers and half of the ones telling the actual truth get banned. This is extra frustrating because now a LOT of people think that the Draph race is like Dwarves where it's hard to tell males and females apart...when the reality is the absolute OPPOSITE! Draphs are cow people with men that are 7+ foot tall piles of muscles and females that are 4.5 feet tall and have tits bigger than their head. The joke behind Ladiva is that he likes to think of himself as a lady but is very obviously a man but people roll with it anyway. That said, he ALSO refers to himself as a man as well and when offered to get a magical sex change he declined because he felt it would disrespect his parents and that he's proud of the body he has. Ladiva does refer to himself as having "the soul of a woman" but that's actually a common phrase in the Japanese gay community and...well it's complicated but before Gendergeddon happened it seemed that the best reading of Ladiva is that he's a flamboyantly gay man. But now things have gotten confusing because the fighting game brought a lot of attention to the character with people trying to claim Ladiva for their own.
Regardless of how you feel on the character, the fact of the matter is that they made Twitch chat DEEPLY uncomfortable as I watched many upbeat, non-political fighting game channels devolve into madness every time they appeared and all of these channels dropped the game. I mean, the netcode didn't help either, but the sheer toxicity surrounding Ladiva was unbearable.
Which reminds me of a funny thing that happened in Yakuza 5. In Haruka's story, there's a retired fashion legend drag queen who shows up to make clothes for her. However, they decided to localize him as though he were a biological female with the only hint that he's a drag queen being when he calls himself "a washed up old okama". Okama being one of many different terms for gay men in Japan. I was watching this in a more woke Twitch channel, the chat missed this, and they actually laughed at the character for being such an ugly woman who looks like a man. GOOD TIMES!
...and NOW we have the current One Piece arc and HOOBOY...
You know, all of this is fascinating because it shows that there are TONS of anime and manga that play with gender roles and gender norms and there's a very good chance this is deeply ingrained into Japanese culture, thinking back to the opening of Yakuza 7 where it shows Ichiban's boss when he was younger playing female roles on stage. And then there's like...drag bars where straight dudes go as kind of a joke or novelty? I dunno but I can safely say that the Japanese LGBTQ community is a completely different culture from the Western one and many things do not translate. Like...I've been listening to people argue over the meaning of the term "New Half" for two decades now, I don't even wanna START to see a discussion on "Okama"! With the nature of these activist localizers, this whole thing becomes a minefield. Even though it shouldn't. Even though we SHOULD be celebrating how much anime and manga play with gender roles, it instead gets attacked! Because, as you said, it's not about representation, it's about control and power.
When I saw Atlus and the guy behind the Persona series in particular get labelled as transphobic when just a few years earlier they were praised for doing LGBTQ right? Yeeeah...
Once again, thanks for speaking on this topic. While you may not care as much about the characters just because of your own identity, I still feel like your particular perspective adds at least a pinch of extra legitimacy to the discussion...
...not that it matters. I actually remember when a game about crossdressing called Bokuhime Project was announced on Siliconera and the comments section turned into a minefield as people shouted "HOORAY! A Trap Game!" only to be attacked because "Trap is a slur!" and it devolved into an argument. Sadly Siliconera banned all discussion on that argument and declared trap a slur, but before that happened I remember a particular exchange. Someone insisted trap wasn't a slur, someone else told them to educate themselves and linked a Contrapoints video, they then responded with "Yes but watch this video which is a good discussion on the topic" and linked to your "Trap is not a Slur" video...to which the other person responded with "Ew. No. Gross. I'm not watching that. Sorry."
...I might be rambling. Oh lord this comment is an essay. Ah well.
Good essay, I enjoyed it 69/70 points for you. I agree with many of the points you have yeah, and that seems to be the unvocal majority that just accepts the characters for how the author creates them and doesn't try to self-insert themselves or their own believed head cannon as truth or factually more correct than what the author said.
Yeah in OP we have Yamato and O-kiku, who both are a tad controversially talked about, because people try to make a big fuss about them, sad.
I like both characters, the big reveal on O-kiku was super cool and I love O-kiku even more.
I'll also always be pointing people to Dimitri because Dimitri is the only reasonable person that speaks more facts than feelings, and looks at the whole topic rationally and factually.
TL;DR Keep these fuckers away from our media, gatekeeping is a good thing.
Wait a second, Ladiva isn’t trans?!? I thought they were. Granted, I never had them in the game, nor I have ever really looked into their lore. You’re telling me I’ve been gaslit into believing they were all this time?
@@xenmaster2203 ladiva physically 100% male, never doing surgery trying being female but characters in game and and majority of GBF mobile players accept ladiva as female.
also in mobile game cagliosto offer ladiva to change her physical body to female with alchemy but ladiva refuse cag offer. ladiva reason because her parent give her that body so she will treasure it
@@ywzgbf972 interesting, I’ll just go look into her myself when I have some free time.
i've said this for a while but i find it funny people on the right will tell me i have to look a certain way because i'm a man and on the left they will tell me i have to be a girl because i look a certain way
Reject politics embrace not giving a shit
Yup, pretty funny how both sides end up having similar behaviors.
Far right: "If you are a woman, you must be feminine."
Far left: "If you are feminine, you must be a woman."
@@SuperGiantNinjaYeti same shit, different anus
@@SuperGiantNinjaYeti classic horseshoe
@@Lisa_Minci96 real
RIP Bridget.
I have come across a bit of this sort of issue in the lgbt community and it always plays as trans people being weirdly elitist and shitty to the gay community, even about topics less related. Idk why it's a thing that the only way some loud voices in the trans community feel they can be more heard is to marginalize the gay community. I have even experienced this in real life encounters and it reads as condescending, but I know more trans people who don't think that way than do. There's def some weird tension between the gays and the Trans community, I'm not a fan of it, dunno why we can't get along here.
It also makes the trans people (and again I want to stress most trans people don't hold this belief) who are in that mindset seem like cartoonishly backwards because they are basically saying dudes who like dudes and are more submissive are secretly women who haven't realized it which makes dudes who like dudes who are like that secretly straight, or women who like butch women in the same scenario, so they are basically trying to say that there are no gay people just trans people who haven't transitioned which is pretty shitty. It all comes across as like the weird 70's straight dad boomer view of homosexuality and it's bizarre that it's being parroted by what amounts to a minority of (can't believe I'm typing this unironically) extremist trans radicals who can't seem to hear how backwards they sound on this. People are people and they like what they like and Identify as they will and like if you're pushing anybody one way or another on that you're probably a terrible person.
It mostly comes down to resentment. People have been saying this would happen for a while now. It's basically the _Oppression Olympics_ a.k.a. the _whose life is more screwed?_ contest.
Look at similar examples from the past.
First, you had resentment coming from L & G parts of the LGBT community towards the B part. The (idiotic) idea being that the existence of bi people would (somehow) make others more likely to think that being gay was entirely a choice (without a biological component). That or just the fact that being bi would effectively _increase_ one's options instead of limiting them in the way that being gay or even straight would. The fact that they have a choice and you don't in that regard, as bizarre as it might seem, can be enough to cause observable levels of resentment. You could often see some people assert that being bi wasn't a _real_ preference and it was a label chosen by those who didn't want to commit to being straight or gay.
Second, leaving aside the typical minority groups for a bit, there's also some of this going on with psychological disorders. Aside from the (understandable) frustration people with a legit problem would have with others 'self-diagnosing', there's also something a bit more insidious going on at times. If you have a particularly extreme variant of an illness, then seeing someone with a less painful version of it can make you want to 'raise the bar', in such a way that those other people can't use that label (even if it's still accurate) unless their variant is _as bad_ as yours. The reason being that if society uses the other person as a benchmark they can't assume that you suffer (much more intensely), because they associate the name of what can be a terrible illness with a more mild one. Meaning that you lose (to put it bluntly) 'sympathy points'. This can, again, generate a lot more resentment than you would expect, between people who have experienced a shared kind of suffering, and who should have more in common with each other than any other group.
Third, there's also this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
How do these sources of resentment lead to 'elitism'? Because something almost everyone seems to have in common is a desire to feel important. That (sadly) often seems to manifest as a weird desire to be seen as 'superior' to others in some way. No matter how trivial. Some people even use suffering a metric by which they weigh themselves against others: "Oh you've got problems? That's cute. Get to the back of the line because your suffering _is a joke_ compared to mine. I'm special".
Notice I said nothing directly about the T part of the community, but you can generalize this to basically _anybody_ .
The worst part of all this is, if someone like this has a relationship of any kind (with a regular person), they're screwed. Because most regular people tend to be very conflict avoidant, they won't spend the time or effort to tell someone they're being a toxic twat by using their suffering as a cudgel like this. Instead they'll do something colder and more effective. Cutting the toxic person out of their lives as much as possible, as politely as possible. The reasons and excuses they have (no matter how 'valid') for their toxicity won't matter in the end.
Imagine the bitterness and resentment that could build up for a person like this. Losing one friend (or relative) after another because they refuse to admit that (to some extent) the problem is them.
You'd offer them a hug, if they weren't likely to hurl verbal abuse and/or clock you over the head for it.
That's a long way of saying some marginalized people have a habit of devolving into a spiral of self-sabotage. Don't hate them, pity them. Also, maybe try to help them, if they matter to you and they're not too far gone.
This is really interesting. As a transgender person I’ve seen trans people who think this, but not as often as non-transgender people. I think most of this comes from well meaning non-transgender allies who haven’t fully understood the complexities of being gay transgender and gnc. At least in my experience, that is.
Anyone here after what they did to Bridget in Guilty Gear? Not even a localizer thing since it's in Japanese too. Apparently Ishiwatari wants to say they Bridget's crazy village was right in being groomers.
Yep. Even japanese media is no longer safe anymore it seems(because even the og was changed, not just localization). Was fun while it lasted I suppose.
Yep, I'm done with their shit now.
@@Arrakiz666 Are people actually mad that Ishiwatari is playing into the trans people are groomers myth? Consider me pleasantly surprised
@@TheExpressionless1 You're misinterpreting their comment. They're gleeful at the butthurt over this asspull rewriting of Bridget's character, not the other side. In other words, they're disgusting.
And you ALMOST have the second point right. People aren't mad " that Ishiwatari is playing into the trans people are groomers myth", they're mad that he played into "trans people are GROOMED", because that's exactly what this rewrite of Bridget implies.
@@Arrakiz666 People are mad about bridget because of his previous character arc, and him going trans goes against this. Dimitri even mentions as much on Twitter. Anyway, it seems like a big misunderstanding since more stuff came out very recently and it seems getting the good ending in the arcade mode (flawless) has Bridget stay male with his gender identity.
You really nailed it with the point that this is all about power. It's not to get better representation, it's not to protect minorities or identities. it's about them making the decisions for you. They decide what language you use and what you think. It's why they get offended on behalf of others, they want the righteous glow so they can bludgeon people.
"we think you're transphobic so we're going to be homophobic" is the message i'm getting from all those twitter images
These people could learn a lot from knives. Y'know, those tools that are typically used to cut food and are found in basically every place in the world where food is prepared? It turns out, sometimes they're used to purposefully to inflict severe bodily injury or even death upon another person in an occurrence called a "stabbing". The cool thing is, society as a whole has categorized that as a misuse of the tool, and some people invented this thing called the "judicial system" to help people figure out if someone has recently misused this tool in that way. If they are found guilty of that misuse, they are confined to a small space as punishment for that misuse.
We didn't just ban all knives because some people were using them to hurt people.
I'm fucking tired about the alphabet mafia claiming that anyone who doesn't fit as strictly man or woman is automatically trans disregarding anything else
I really dislike when people say that about Chihiro, he's the reason I was able to discover myself not being 100% straight. He is a man who had an issue (being a frail guy) and instead of just being a burden on society, he accepted himself and took on a role where he could better things the best he could. That's hot as fuck and you'll never take that away from me.
Thank you for speaking out about this. I'm in a situation kind of parallel yours, where I'm a girl that used to dress not just more masculine but as something of a crossdresser too. I was brought to this channel by your videos about feeling somewhat erased or stepped over by the LGBT+ community and on the history of the word "Trap", and feel like I've finally found a sane fan with a platform to speak the truth from. I don't crossdress anymore and have grown to really accept my femininity in recent years, but I never forgot my feelings that led to me to identify so strongly with not dressing like a girl and therefore made me have such strong connections with the characters.
Naoto especially. I consider my journey as a mix of her and Kanji's lived experiences, navigating the whole gendered shebang of clothes, hobbies, and romance. It legitimately feels like stepping over experiences like mine and so many others when people call them trans instead, basically saying that their representation is more important or more deserving, more valid...
I could go even harder on the case with Chihiro, because his story is just heartbreaking. While I don't enjoy using terms like "toxic masculinity", the parallels between him and Mondo were in my opinion a full demonstration of such, or how such expectations make men fold.
Chihiro is someone so smol and frail and girly that he COULDN'T live up to the expectations that were generally had of men, and was bullied for it. So he presented as a girl to escape. He made a shell to hide in because he was basically beaten (socially) into submission. He was too "weak" to live as a man, so he decided to live as a woman instead... because, at the very least, it's "expected" of a girl to be weak.
Mondo, on the other hand, was the very picture of masculinity - and living under the pressure of those very same expectations made him SNAP. He needed to look strong by any means and wasn't even fully aware of himself when he killed Chihiro because "Strong" basically acted as a trigger word for him, sending him down a mental ride of how no one can see him slipping.
Like Monokuma said at the end of Chapter 2, theirs was a tale of two men, each brought down by narratives decided for the male gender, and what may happen to men who both can and can not fulfill their "role".
So yeah, fuck people who say Chihiro is trans.
Fuck people who say Naoto is trans, Astolfo is trans, all of it.
I can recommend a few legitimately trans anime characters if they need them. But don't step over other people's representation to get yours.
same.
The erasure and hypocrisy from these "activists" leads to just a full pit of despair so good to have people like Dimitri, even though large corps still only prop up those hypocritical people because it's more convenient to erase us and pretend to be "progressive"
Disgusting, how could they remove traps and femboys!
NO ONE takes my Traps & Femboys and lives to tell the tale!
remember: always gatekeep
Yup, came back here after hearing the Bridget news. Absolutely abysmal day...
I love how passionate, genuine, and accurate you are about these topics. Thank you for the breath of fresh air!
Astolfo even talks about him wearing feminine clothes because "they feel good and are cute". He literally does not care about what he should be wearing as a guy, and just wants to wear cute, comfortable clothing. And in the end, who doesn't?
It's amazing just how some people twist the narrative for their own agenda while marginalizing others. Naoto has the narrative of a woman struggling to gain respect in a male oriented workplace, Rin's storyline in Catherine has Vincent coming to terms that loving another man is perfectly fine and coming out as bisexual.
More relevant now that it turns out the localization of Guilty Gear Strive tried to paint Bridget as trans, whereas in Japan he's still treated/referred to as a femboy.
@@Arrakiz666 You have been here for 2 months starting a thousand new fights each time you come back lmao
@@Arrakiz666 Nope. He's very much a femboy and you can ask japanese people if you wish.
@@Arrakiz666 you have spent two months under this video trying to start fights and admitted you aren't even reading what people say. Pretending terms for men are actually neutral just to cope and the like, people who say nothing transphobic to you ever getting written off as transphobes in the replies, everything to lie to yourself.
@@Arrakiz666 no it's you, you have been here for two months and said you made the video to take time away from replying here so you are definitely the obsessed one compared to someone who said the same thing a couple times in a couple places.
@@Arrakiz666 Seems it has been explained to you that you just lied about him being more obsessed than you so I don't trust you.
Femboy and gamers are the most oppressed class.
Don’t get me started on femboy gamers
In media
Yeah, Kodaka did Chihiro and Chiaki dirty.
"they consult with trans people" no... you should consult with the author or people related to the author like the Japanese editor or publisher and not someone without an ounce of relation to the series
how did they think its better to consult with those instead of the original creator's circle is beyond me
Thanks, Dimitri, I was feeling down and this put me in a much more hopeful mood even with all the bs these types try to pull. It frustrates me to know end that these localizers feel entitled to make changes to someone else’s hard work. You said it best that they are basically 4kids without the excuse that they’re catering to children 🙄
It's like an animator working for a company and since they dislike a character's design, they completely bypass their bosses instructions and just make the character however they want to because they think it looks better that way.
They are being paid to make an accurate localization, not to put whatever they want to trying to enforce some political agenda into foreigners work
This sounds like its also stereotype enforcement. They have decided nonconformity means you are trans soeven if the author and character say otherwise the character must be trans
That's exactly what this is. They're just erasing feminine men (as well as masculine women).
Unfortunately, the most "tolerant" are always the most bigoted. Forcing their world view onto others, whether they want it or not.
These people is the one that give the anti gay church members the points and more reason to hate the gay.
why are they doing this? because this is all they have going in there life so they have a need to feel validated and force there own views of politics and gender identity on everything they touch even when said product has very little or nothing to do with the subject at hand
It's backlash from some lgbt people after having been erased socially since forever. But it's no good justification for litterally twisting localizations into cringe pamphlets supporting your cause. The people doing these lack the self awarness to understand how it hurts their own cause
@@tartoflan Turning the same thing they swore to destroy.
@@tartoflan So basically to avenge the LGBT of being socially erased, these localizers not only socially erase the LGBT but reenforces gender roles which could be detrimental to the LGBT. Make sense
@@tartoflan "It's backlash from some lgbt people after having been erased socially since forever." as if that has never happened to oh you know every one else at one point in time so your point on that is moot and its just a pitiful excuse to have power over others
"stop erasing X!"
*erases y*
*erases z*
honestly, its this kind of stuff that's going on that makes me fear Bridget coming back into Guilty Gear
My thought exactly lol. I'm gonna have to start specifying that I like the Bridget from X2 and not the one from Strive if they do anything drastic to his character in an attempt to appeal to the west. And even if he remains untouched, there's still going to be manufactured outrage coming his way. It sucks that we have to worry about this kinda stuff and can't enjoy our beloved femboi in peace anymore.
you saw it coming, sad times
As a trans person I actually agree with this video a large amount, but yes some ppl go to a large extent too much infact when looking at anime, however I'm glad that you mentioned that trap, and femboy can be used wrongly, which is true, in essence calling the 2 words a slur is like giving the word power.
I got banned on r/touhou for arguing trap is not a slur
I got perma banned from a femboy anime subreddit for saying Bridget is a femboy (replied to the comments saying "hurr Durr she's a girl now")...on a post of Bridget art
I wanted to get on r/touhou
Then I saw the rules and ran away ASAP
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@@PrintScreen. These people are insane, it's such a shame that they manage to climb up to places of authority.
@@arlaghdoth4434 thankfully no real authority....yet
but they really ruined a bunch of online communities and websites
"If you're searching the lines for a point, then you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place."
Situations like this make me realize how few people actually care about anything or anyone other than themselves and their immediate in-groups. They don't care about freedom of gender expression or representation or anything like that. It makes me sick how they treat the historically significant concept of Third Gender as nothing more than a stepping stone or a footnote. They don't care about the fact that actually accepting a truly broader range of gender expression would actually lessen the overall pressures of conformity and decrease the overall incidence of dysphoria. At the very least, it's encouraging to me that all the individual trans friends I've ever had have supported me and have been the sorts of people who are just genuinely trying to live their best lives and encourage others to do the same. I just wish more people would genuinely listen whenever someone like you speaks out in defense of your own experience.
Ideologues will always twist everything to be political.
And now we are getting another trans bs movie against another femboy now… Bridget, who is still treated and referred to as a boy and Otokonoko by ALL of Japan and their artists, but the western trans want to force their agenda.
@@Arrakiz666 no
@@Arrakiz666 Oh, but no
@@Arrakiz666 sorry no, you can't pretend words meant for men aren't just because you wanna play pretend.
@@Arrakiz666 I'm really sorry words don't change definitions because you say the languange is flexible, context can change things but that would ruin many of your arguments too if you admit that people can argue for context changing things.
The word is for effeminate boys, it is for that subculture whether people misuse it or not.
@@Arrakiz666 no, it was used on characters people pretend are girls, common misconception. Even if that end of this is a waste of time talking at a wall, that doesn't mean people intending to refer to those they see as men means it applies to woman when that isn't what they want to refer to.
Does them calling trans characters men mean trans characters can be called men? Stop being stupid and saying I don't like people, you have nothing the moment you can't pretend people are transphobes for disagreeing with you.
"I'm.......I'm gonna LOOOOOOOOCALIZE!!!!!!"
A friend of mine recommended your channel and I'm so glad he did. I completely agree with everything you said and I'm so glad there are still likeminded individuals out there. I love traps and I'm so tired of the forced queer representation and gaslighting on social media. Keep being yourself and thank you.
THANK YOU! It's been so fucking infuriating seeing "trap" and "femboy" beign turned into a hate speech or things that they are not just by itself, ridiculous! The World needs more heroes like you standing up to fight a good fight bless you my boi.
Came here because of strive Bridget
i love your work
you are the voice we need
i love traps aka cute femboys and it annoys me that these people demand them be a 'egg'
i ca not stand that word, cause it erases the voices of femboys and instead demand all characters fit their own narrative
Not to mention that "egg" has its own baggage of pinkpilling actual irl feminine boys, aka gaslighting crossdressers into believing they might be trans until they actually start taking estrogen or something, under they belief they are "really" trans and just haven't come out yet. Hence, "an egg".
we are going full backwards to a point that you have to be a stereotypical male to be one, like what the f is happening
@@peste4592 And the group pushing for this regression is the one that's supposed to know how damaging and hurtful this behavior can be. It's just sad to see.
I know you're gonna go crazy with this whole Bridget situation. Lmao
Love your videos btw
It's interesting how the trans community accepts a groomed Bridget as their own. The context behind the change isn't necessarily one that represents them positively. Like jiggling shiny keys to a toddler haha
Kek
But literally nothing in her lore states that she was groomed. Matter of fact her parents felt bad about how they were raising her and is one of the big reasons why she leaves her town to prove herself. You're just making stuff up to suit a narrative which is what this video is supposed to be against
@@ellagage1256 you never played a GG game before and it shows
@@akiradkcn You mean Guilty Gear XX... The only other game she is in? The one that shows her coming back home with the money from Ky to show her town that they were wrong in their beliefs? The game that is very vague and open-ended of her background that they need extra reading material to actually flesh her out as more than a joke character? Oh and what do you know when you read the manga it shows that even her parents were ashamed of being forced to raise her a certain way but didn't want their child to be sent for adoption or literally executed... You don't even know what groomer means and it shows
@@ellagage1256 Clearly you haven't read the Guilty Gear manga either, and if you're potentially referring to the anthologies released, know that they aren't canon. Bridget is not mentioned in the story recap manga nor Guilty Gear Xtra; the only two canon manga for Guilty Gear.
The rational and well-spoken voice of Dimitri is always a delight, even in an aggravating topic as this.
Thanks for covering this issue. I have been a big fan of the manga "Koisuru otome no tsukurikata" you mentioned first since the first volume was sold in Japan.
While Hiura, a male "heroine" in the manga, had very naturally changed his school uniforms to girl's ones, I think most fans in Japan didn't think him as a transgender after reading the first volume. Hiura, originally a nerd character who had been bored in his gloomy life, was just enjoying feminine clothes and makeup, and teasing his friend with his cuteness in the first stories.
Though it could be revealed so in the future volumes, treating Hiura as a transgender in the first volume is the translator's overreach.
Thank you for this video. As an avid fan of much of Atlus and NIS's catalog, it really disappoints me that I can no longer take the story at face value because I know the cultural leeches in charge of localizing are out there. In the case of 13 Sentinels, the changes to Okino were very distracting for me specifically. I saw a reflection of my own journey in Hijiyama's story, and deliberately confusing Okino's identity strips Hijiyama of his own growth on his path of self acceptance.
It's all just exhausting.
i'm so joyed that ppl like you exist and defend us
I Imagine you’ve seen the recent developments with Guilty Gears Bridget,
The conclusion I have come to is that when you want to use a character to have a message for a specific kind of person or community (Transwomen) it should never be at the cost of another type of person or community (Feminine Men/Femboys) particularly with the Bridget Situation, Having Bridgets arc take this turn paints a particularly horrifying picture of succumbing to abuse with a smile on your face and also whether intentional or not enforces the incredibly creepy “Egg” belief that all feminine men are trans women in denial,
Astoundingly destroying any semblance of defying societal gender norms and celebrating them instead.
The part about this that disturbs me the most is that they turned Bridgets story into a trans horror story and its being celebrated as a victory for trans people.
As a trans who was inspired to be open with myself by Bridget's resoluteness in their own identity, this honestly is such a tragedy.
The fuck you're on about? What abuse? Bridget never once complained about her uprising and childhood, she was always fine with being raised a girl to her parents dismay, because they didn't find it that she had a fair chance at her own life, she wasn't abused, and also when she finally had a chance to change, she only did to break the myth of the village about male twins being misfortune, that was her arc, showing that it doesn't matter who you are, you can still be great, and now her new arc was about her doubting her own identity as she no longer had any goals, Guilty Gear is literally a game about finding your own identity afaik and her new arc covered that perfectly.
I agree with this.
Being raised as the wrong gender is legally considered abuse. Not to mention Bridget made it their entire life goal to try to cope with the trauma. That's literally been his entire story for the last twenty years. How braindead can you be.
14:50 I've had this exact same discussion online word for word. I've watched anime for over 10 years, traps were always clearly defined as a man crossdressing and acting feminine enough to "trick" people into thinking they're girls, hence the word "trap", and I came to that definition organically by consuming the medium. Never once, until these people brought it up, was I presented with the narrative that trap is a trans slur. The way these weirdos astroturf their own headcanon is amazing.
As a long time Bridget fan before Strive, I would love to hear what you have to say when it comes to what they did to Bridget in Strive.
Personally, for me, it feels like a gut punch. I always admired Bridget when he was proud to be a guy, yet acted and dressed feminine. It kinda inspired me and is one of the things that made me realize it's okay to dress and act girly as a guy. So to lose a character like that, who is part of a reason I got more confidence in myself, just hurts.
It will be a week or do because I don't like doing immediate reactions and want to give him the video he deserves...but it is coming I promise. I appreciate your input !
@@DimitriMonroe No problem, take your time
@@DimitriMonroe Neat to hear Dimitri, can't wait to see what type of video it will be. :)
But is Bridget actually a girl now or is it just one interpretation made by some people, ignoring the context/story, from one scene?
@@PerfectlySaneLutheran seems like a case of the stuff stated in video. People have mentioned some varying translations used in dev notes and arcsys’s social media about Bridget still being a guy. But all the localized stuff explicitly says her in every case.
Man it's great that most manga pirating websites use their own translators with actually accurate translations
Yeah, it's rather shitty how being effeminate must somehow mean you're trans as a guy, even if you hold no such thoughts about yourself. Or how crossdressing isn't a fashion choice, etc.
You continue to he the hero the internet needs. Also you bring up a fantastic point about control and how they bully their way into it to take popular characters for the sake of clout.
Because it’s about control.
Period.
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🐍 No step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Oh I thought you were just in Styx's comments. Hi!
I can't thank Dimitri enough for bringing these topics up. Continue the good work my dude!
Yeah this shit is awful. I almost went into localization with Nintendo and instead got into tech. Sometimes I wonder if I could've prevented stuff like this had I gone into Japanese to English localization...
It makes me think how we even got to the point where this is even an issue we have to confront on a basis regarding something that's so integral to the enjoyment of these things. It would be easy to say "oh the people who translate it hate anime" or whatever, but making that assumption does little to narrow down the issue. People who hate or at least dislike this medium would rather not interact with it or outright preach against it. Not some super villain plot to "infiltrate" and destroy it from the inside.
I want to believe that at some point these people had enough of an honest interest in it to learn Japanese, which is more than the average enjoyer can say. However, either as a result of being terminally online and the multiple negative influences this brings to people's personalities, the hyper "inoffensive" corporate push we have seen in recent years or even just friend circles who advocate for these sorts of things, these people start seeing "problems" in the tropes and writing that they didn't perceive as such when they first had interest in anime/manga/games. Whichever the case its not hard to imagine them going drunk on power once they realize they have the ability to directly influence and quite possible *resolve* something that only they perceive as a problem.
It becomes even more frustrating when as consumers we have to deal with the wrongdoings of the translators but we're also put to blame by them for "not understanding" their changes are "for the better".
It's not that they necessarily hate anime, video games, etc (although some of these activists vocally do, or they at least hate their fellow fans), it's just that they're ideologues who seek to twist everything into a political narrative. Everything is political to them, they can't see something as non-political. Their ideology has corrupted their minds.
For me, I just can't imagine what these people have to gain from this...
As a bigender person, I thought it was a good thing for the LGBT+ community to disconnect gender presentation from gender identity....?
I can barely manage to look masculine in my current living situation, but it's okay because dudes can wear dresses and be effeminate! How is that not The Intersection Goal...?
I say it all the time Gender expression =/= Gender Identity
twitter points, fame in their grooming discord and the feeling that they actually accomplished anything by bastardizing a famous work
It's something easy they can do without solving any issues
it's to pat themselves on the back and pretend they aren't as bigoted as people they rail against.
the type of people that would say the n word because they have a black best friend and feel justified
You really deserve more views
Thank you my friend, maybe one day !
This just showed up in my feed, but a very well done video my man. Honestly this whole issue of control can honestly be extended to many other sectors of entertainment and this is a great example of how it's important for those of us in the know to react accordingly and push back against these people who just can't seem leave our hobbies alone or simply accept them for what they are.
As a trans guy, touching on terms like "trap" and "femboy", I think they're fine when kept to fictional characters and real people who don't mind being referred to as such. These terms are really only problematic when used by transphobic people who are against trans people and want to cover up the word trans. If a character isn't confirmed trans I think calling them whatever is fair game. Trap can seem more objectifying or cold in my opinion, but it's whatever. Personally, I like femboy better since it embraces both femininity and boyness, while trap sounds more like calling someone a fake.
Please don't let people like these localizers with agendas and offended twitter people make you think all trans people agree with them or their practices. While more trans characters are nice, it's really weird and not right to insert implications the author didn't intend into their stories.
The most based take
As a guy that has AGP (not much recently), if i ever went to look femenine and crossdressed for people to see, i would be honored to be called "trap", because they look pretty and i wish i could look as someone i would find pretty, but that's just me. The least i could do is not refer to "trap" to real people, i guess.
This is why everyone who really likes manga and anime should just start learning japanese. Don't make yourself dependant on these translators and enjoy the source material in it's purest form.
i don't even know where to start
@@NKS-jo1ik I recommend the channel Japanese with Yuta. He's got a email list you can sign up for.
@@NKS-jo1ik I'd suggest a text book called "Genki". It's a great start to get the absolute basics down in terms of grammar. As for kanji, I'd start by focusing on how to draw them and know what they mean. For that, there is a book called "Remembering the Kanji". It connects every Kanji to a little story. If you learn 10 Kanji a day, you'll have them all down in less than a year. As for how to read those kanji, I wouldn't worry too much about that yet. If you ever pick up any japanese book, you'll find that most of them - not all of them- contain little hiragana readings above the kanji. So basically, you see a few kanji and you'll know what they mean and how to read them is just a thing you learn here and there.
If you want however, you can look into Anki which is a flashcard program for PC/phone. You can customize study sessions and how many times you want to redo a flashcard etc. Anki has a huge community whcih provides premade decks. So Technically, you don't need to buy the "Remembering the kanji" book, nor do you need a kanji dictonary, since all this information is already compiled into pre made anki decks. (core 2000 for kanji readings and rtk, just look those up, you'll find some pretty good decks out there.)
from there on, you can decide if you want to get into "Genki 2" and so on and so forth.
I'd suggest you to try this out for a few month and really stick to it, the joy of reading something in japanese is really something else.
As a person who's lazy and really doesn't care what translators have to say, I think I'll just stick to the translations.
Am I really going to be grievously wounded if they remove some joke or words? It's not that big a deal. If you're going to learn a new language do it out of utility and education, rather than being mad they censored a word that doesn't translate well in Western socienty.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 i mean, you do you. In my opinion a translator should translate, not decide what's appropriate for westerners to read and what not.
If you're okay with that you'll only ever get to read what other people see fit, then go ahead and do so.
It's funny how "I think x author is being horribly insensitive in the portrayal of x character/theme" is taken as license for changing elements of a story to make it more sensible. You'd think it's obvious that preserving the structure of a text, staying true to it insofar as you are able, is your highest responsibility as a translator... but apparently some people think they are so much in the right that it gives them license to do all kinds of things that would otherwise be unethical.
But that's silly super-villain reasoning. It doesn't matter how right you think you are - if you have a problem with the way a work of fiction frames a given issue, write a critique or a parody or something along those lines. It's not like you don't have viable options for fighting what you see as bigotry without resorting to this kind of culture war mentality.
@@Arrakiz666 huh? yeah, it's bad when those people do it, too.
What if the original text was something that wouldn't fly in America. Like, really really wouldn't fly, like sink in the water fast as a led balloon.
Like, some kind of super duper racist shit that could easily be edited around by not saying the N-word absurd amounts of times.
Obviously very extreme example. But is original text worth it or can some things be translated over to fit here more?
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 From a commercial standpoint, I get where you're coming from. There's a potential scandal there, and you'd like to avoid it, so it makes sense to be pragmatic and censor a translation to a certain extent.
But in terms of whether you're doing the world a favor by 'protecting' readers from encountering disagreeable and shocking views, then I'd have to say no. People don't become evil by encountering and having to deal with the reality of evil. If a text you're translating is clearly racist, then your translation shouldn't take away from that.
Certain texts probably shouldn't be accessible to children, but as an adult, imo, you should have confidence in your ability to make up your own mind without needing some ostensively well-meaning authority to shield you from bad ideas.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 "Like, some kind of super duper racist shit that could easily be edited around by not saying the N-word absurd amounts of times."
mans never listened to rap or hip-hop
mans never even watched "The Boondocks"
with the woman from xenoblade 3 being non-binafied it is clear that women are out, the woman agenda loses to the gay agenda and that loses to the trans agenda. now we just need robots to gain rights so people turn humans into androids in localizations for representation, I think that would be cool
...Excuse me. What? What do you mean the women in xenoblade 3 being "non-binafied?"
@@eyesofdeathperception6730 was a potentially weird phrase to use but was mostly a joke, although one of the characters was made non-binary and people were raving over it or something when it was just a localization change to fit the voice actor of the characters own identity irl. Odd reason.
@@daenadarko5062 Who?? This is the first time I heard of this
Transgender to Localizers(slur) and all that defend redefining characters as such just see them as a shield and prop to be use in their twisted delusions. They're more bigoted then anyone speaking against these ham-fisted changes as a trans person who dares speak out is seen as a freak. It's never been about "do better" it's always been "Do what we tell you to." which would be to mutate the original Japanese product, the reason people want to watch/play it because it's nothing like western media, into that god awful Tumblr comic that parrots western politics shown earlier.
@@Arrakiz666 it's not their work to express all over. So no. If they want that, they can create their own. Which they won't because they can't.
@@Arrakiz666 they have, that's why if they want to do things, they should do their own on something new and not ruin something else
@@Arrakiz666 When you NEED to destroy others' freedom to make your own, that makes them no different from those that, as they say, oppress them.
@@Arrakiz666 Localization is a job where you adapt some terms that don't make sense for others that makes on a cultural level. And that implies that the original meaning will be preserved. With that said, I can't agree to say that translators are making their iob properly.
And that's not some trivial mistake. Is sabotage by ideological propaganda. So, I can't blame someone for saying they're destroying the original meaning from anime.
@@Arrakiz666 So, that mean you're "A-OK" for adultering existing media only because they aren't fittin' your moral standards.
You know, isn't without reason people call them "creative freeloaders": "Oh, this topic aren't ok for me. Maybe I can mobilize someone else to write a quality story, with subtle lessons about representativeness?... Heck no! Hijackin' existing media and shove representativeness by force will surely do it!"
Damn i had no idea there was an ongoing femboy genocide i found you as a fellow confused bridgett fan love what I've seen so far keep fighting the good fight cx
It's incredibly ironic that some of the most outspoken people on the topics of identity and gender are so quick to pigeonhole any character that doesn't fit traditional gender roles into being trans.
They declare themselves the authorities on gender identity and thus know better than you what your own mind is. It's literally the one, single thing above all else that they should be very, _VERY_ keenly aware of how much it hurts people, having experienced it themselves, and yet they don't care.