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This may be Valve's TRUE MOTIVE with the Steam Deck OLED...
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- The Steam Deck was announced to the world in 2021 to a public who was hungry for a way to take their computing and PC gaming on the go. Fast-forward to today and the standards have raised - people want that same experience but a bit more premium. Enter the Steam Deck OLED!
That's certainly what the buzz seems to be all about, but did Valve first decide to deliver this experience because there was demand for this product? What if there was another reason Valve wanted to park these Steam Deck devices into the households of ready and willing Deck-goers? And what if that reason aligns with the 2015 advent of Steam Machines? To know that for sure - what even was the point of Steam Machines...?
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definitely why I prefer Steam Deck over windows handhelds. Valve has always been trying to distance itself from Microsoft because they have always feared them blocking Steam on their platform, so creating their own OS solves this problem perfectly and makes me excited to move to Linux after Windows 10 dies.
I did cheekily jab at the ROG Ally but there's room for Linux and Windows-based handhelds alike! It does seem to be that Microsoft is starting to erect some walls though, so I think a lot of people are starting to think like you and are preparing for when they know Windows is gonna feel unusable to them. Thanks for watching!
Excellent point!!!! Can’t wait till valve fully releases steamos for the masses for desktop use
Yep,👍👍 Microsoft kind regretted how open their platform is.
....& They Were were doing some "questionable" stuff, trying to get 3rd party developers, stores & users to funnel things through their Windows Store. Almost no one liked the store platform & no one would buy from there (gamers). (A few changes in MS leadership, philosophy & an lack of game sales on the Windows' storefront & MS decided to put Xbox games on STEAM..etc)
Also, if U really look at what they are doing & MS themselves has hinted that they also want to move from the installs on local operations platform to a more cloud as a service platform for gaming & business (SaaS).
....Linux is the most widely use OS (just not on Desktop).
...So they will probably eventually do it through hosting on some form of AZURE.
Valve realize this q long ago release the Steam Machine(s) both as a kind of warning ⚠️ to Microsoft & half effort experiment hoping 3rd party manufacturers would do most of the grunt work.
... However Valve didn't account for or already knew for the impact the OS would have on the success if the S. Machine. & Started work on Proton with other teams & improve Steam OS to work with native Windows games.
The other main issue valve had, was there was TOO many 3rd party hardware developers with different configuration.. etc.
There was also a community push, for Valve to be more invested in their Hardware & other projects. Not do a passion project & forget about it.
I forget her name but she was very impactful around 1 of the launches of the Index.
Valve would be making STEAM CONTROLLER 🎮, but the main reason why Valve stop making them, because they "KIND OF" lost a Lawsuit to SCUFF.
....A company that basically sues any company that designs & sells anything other than basic top button & shoulder configs for Controllers (especially if it's any kind of under controller back buttons or pads).
...I think 🤔 they even tried sue playstation for that little plugin electronic Dual Shock 4 button adapter & Still tried to sue Valve for the STEAM DECK'S scheme.
..& if U every wonder why XBOX Elite controllers with extra back buttons were expensive, Scuff is part of that reason.
👉Taylor McVicker is good source for a lot of Valve info & news .
The OLED model is the best and has linux!
W + No Ratio + OLED + Linux
Screw windows and gates
hear hear!
I think its valid, given Gabe Newell's distaste with Microsoft Windows walled garden approach. Especially with how much linux has progressed in the last few years, thanks to funding by Valve & other companies, Linux been my daily driver has been splendid.
It's good to have that background from someone who's more familiarized with Valve's company history! I did kind of suspect this was Gabe's view on things, but nice to have the confirmation.
Desktop Linux has been great, yep! It's broken on me a few times - my own mistakes and with the worst timings possible - but it's been a very enriching learning experience troubleshooting my way through. Thanks for watching!
@Petrisha Gabe worked for Microsoft, he left and seemed to have a bad taste in his mouth. I kind of think it's not just a business move to make Linux a competitor, but also personal
@@jimmymac2292 this is exactly the level of petty I live for
Valve pretty much has stated in the past that SteamOS is their safety net in case Windows closes! Newell worked for Microsoft so he knows them pretty well! Valve simply is playing the survival book lesson 1, always have some kind of exit path in case of the "s***" hits the fan! Funny thing is Epic does not have this exit route, but they always can fall back on the engine as sole base of revuene and survive smaller! So their exit path is ingrained in their products!
I never had a "Steam Machine" but I do have a Steam Controller. It's one of my favorites. I don't use it much, but for certain games there is no better alternative. No thumbstick can compare to the precision of a touchpad.
Gyro is sorta my flavour of this alternate control, yeah - love that manufacturers haven't quit with these ideas!
Great video
I also think it's also ecosystem. Popularize a system that comes by default Steam store. That large library of games. Valve gets cut of every sale.
Micosoft all ready starting to push user on window 10 with Copilot as a start.
This was an interesting topic.
a rerelease instantly puts them back in all the news and they adapted their pricepoint to be where comparable portable pcs are, because why wouldn't they take as much as they can per sell.
Enjoyed this keen it going
God thing about Oled model is inflation of used lcd models. I bought mine used 512gb lcd model for 350 euros two days ago.
Whether or not it's their true goal, you are correct in what they are achieving. Proton is what I needed to finally ditch Windows for Linux. It's not perfect yet, but the majority of my games work fine under Linux now.
I wish gog was doing this as well
That is what every console manufacturer does. Selling at a loss or a tiny margin to capture a large market and then make bank with the software.
I agree every fucking launcher is annoying!! We want all of our shit to be in one place !!!
Agreed! And in a perfect world that one place would just be on our desktop to click and launch DRM-free, should we choose to :^) Thanks for watching!
@@Petrisha I prefer for everything to be within steam.
Microsoft actually tried this once! It's the whole reason Valve started the whole push onto linux.
If it wasn't for Valve, there wouldn't be linux gaming today.
As a long time linux / unix user, I find windows to be atrocious, it is ugly, unintuitive, gatekept etc etc. I wish I could easily game on linux.
They are making money out of it, you would be surprised on how cheap electronics parts cost to big companies, production cost will be around 200$, not counting r&d.
Steam Deck is well-liked but Valve is not producing multiple millions of these every 6 months, so that probably rules out them receiving the best bulk rates - but a bulk rate nonetheless! Lower order numbers would also impact the speed at which R&D pays itself off, so that's worth consideration in tandem with general overhead. Valve is privately-held so we'd never normally know what their sales goals are for this hardware, which would ultimately solve what their margins are looking like at all SKUs. Thanks for watching!
@@Petrishaehh they can take losses on the hardware because of their software. They have a separate market that's supporting the hardware costs. Think about Nintendo, they take losses on the switches, but BIGGER. Steam still has millions of people who haven't even bought the steam deck, spending money on the software on a regular basis. The business plan is clean. Nintendo still depends on people buying their hardware in order to pay for the software.
I have absolutely hated windows since i was 15 and had windows XP on my first computer. Ended up ditching that and tried a few different versions of Linux. Eventually setting on fedora. I just ordered my first steam deck after wanting one since release.
PC gaming will go, where the bulc of modders are
Fair point!
There are many good reasons for Valve to manufacture Steamdeck. First off all to sell more games. I think its quite impressive that other PC handhelds are able to somewhat compete with the Steamdeck, since their only profit is unit sold. Don't get me wrong, I love what Valve is doing, but you wouldn't want them to be the only option for PC gaming. Us consumers need the competition.
Would be interested to see if there's a case to be made in the future that sellthrough rates of games on Steam accounts with verified Steam Deck purchases also on-account are going up. Maybe Valve will come out with some sort of infographic in the future? Thanks for watching!
@Petrisha I would be very surprised if Valve's sales have not increased since the launch of Steamdeck.
@@hwoccurrence Valve has both quarterly statements - that can be speculated on - and they also share the results of their hardware surveys. People will know in a year's time
I just hope they stay competitive in that area, I remember the desaster the netbooks had when Asus with a good first linux based device opened a marked and then microsoft shoehorned everyone else after asus and asus themselves to use windows which was absolutely not working out for that category of devices. Result, the entire device segment fizzled out after a few years, thanks also because the entire windows software did not fit well for the small display!
The best would be valve has tons of success and incentive to drive Steamos forward while all others either provide windows or steamos as well and try ti differentiate themselves!
The point of steam machines was to attract console players to steam. The point of steam deck is the same (trying to attract switch players now). The reason they couldn't just install Windows on it is probably because they just want to try to offer the best console-like experince while already having a huge game library. Why would a console player buy some PC box and see empty windows desktop on it? What should he do next?
When you launch steam deck, the first thing you see is your steam library, you understand that this thing wants you to play games on it, like on consoles. Sure you can just pre-install Steam on windows and add it to autostart, but it still will work clumsy, the more bloated your windows installation becomes, the more delayed the launch of steam would be after startup of windows. It's not a console, it's just generic windows with steam on top of it from a player's pov.
Another reason for developing steamos is that valve is in total control of it, not in authoritarian sense. If they want to add new features, they add it, if they want to optimize something, they do, to the point that Vulkan drivers for AMD gpus on Linux are written by Valve (well, partially), all that while the system still remains completely open. They don't have to rely on Microsoft, on their updates system or other things that they're not in direct possesion of (afaik all drivers for windows requires them to be signed by microsoft).
Also, Proton actually improves backwards compatibility. Some old games already do not work on win 11 but can work with Proton. If a person buys game on steam and 15 years later after some windows update this game stops working is steam to blame? You can't just install older windows on modern hardware because some drivers will be missing, but you can install older Proton and play the game with it.
Is it worth buying the OLED ETCHED screen version? I mean if its going to ruin the oled goodness then might as well buy the lcd ETCHED version…No?
Etched is only way to go is you don’t want glare would look sick in oled
Glossy OLED is the best screen in the current lineup. Period. Glare is a non-issue to me and is nothing worth sacrificing OLED's quality.
I have them both, and for online play,anti cheat, I use the ally. For indy and retro, I use steamdeck!
Steamdeck really would make for a sick emulation device alongside indies! I played a lot of Warframe years ago too, and playing it on a Steam Deck with that built-in gyro would be a dream come true. Thanks for watching!
Im super happy for steam. Imagine specializing in 1 very specific thing for years then switching it up and succeeding so dominantly. You rarely see software guys going into the hardware market. Its virtually always a manafactuer to some implication of software. They made playstation look stupid with the portal idea. Made asus look stupid. Super happy for them. And i dont even own a steam deck lol
They want to be able to sell games no matter what MS decide to do in the future. Linux was the only realistic option. It's not socially driven at all. It's just like google with android, they had to use linux to compete with ios.
Bit of a different situation because Android has been frankenstein'd to the point where it barely has any remnants of Linux left in it where I doubt SteamOS will ever really get to that point. Maybe if adoption of the OS skyrocketed? It would be a very cool future to see if there was any concrete vision behind SteamOS.
Yeah but the choice to use it was pragmatic. It existed and was free to use and Google and Valve had no reason to make their own OS that would have been worse, at least initially, taken a lot of time and money and damaged the reputations of their products for being unstable. @@Petrisha
I would rather follow Valve to linux than stay in a closed windows garden. I use windows, but I have negative levels of admiration for them and am looking to jump ship at the first chance I get. Steam OS, if it ever gets released as a standard pc, like a tower or something, will be my absolute choice over windows' super ugly and bloated and limited 15 or whatever. I'm begging. Also don't suggest anything to try, I don't have enough money to do anything right now.
it's not even limited edition, just over priced color edition. I wonder how many were clicking on that buy button for LE today, you can still buy some ATM.
It’s 20 quid more for it mate and a clear shall cos 30+ then buttons then time and hope you don’t kill some components when fitting it’s a good deal for it if you like the look of it if not still good to have it
You're right, how dare a consumer have choices
Hmm thanks for resharing a very, very old idea. I watched the whole video wondering "surely he's not making THIS point, +10 yrs after everyone had already discussed and agreed..". Sorry, don't mean to be jerk but this is such an old theory omg
There's no shame in discussing old ideas when they only recently become relevant. Imagine trying to make this video in 2015 when Steam Machines first launched and having your video age like milk lol
@Petrisha this was a big topic long before steam machines and steamOS, big picture etc - due to steam being available on linux and how that pushed Devs to build for linux. Everyone had hoped it was the end for windows etc. I was really hoping you stumbled upon a new realization.