Magic Kingdom's "Beyond Big Thunder" EXPANSION Plans - Disney News Explained
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- With Epic Universe hurtling toward it’s completion in Summer 2025, it’s about time Disney gets serious about Walt Disney World. So join me as I discuss the "Beyond Big Thunder Mountain" EXPANSION at Magic Kingdom in great depth. Discussing the exact location, the immense size, and exciting possibilities up next!
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I'm aware I messed up saying part of the script in 2 places, AND it somehow made the final edit! Sorry about that, but enjoy a good laugh at my expense! LOL 😂
Just giving us some insight into how your magic is made, and your pursuit for perfection
I noticed that same mistake has happened before in another video but it's okay, you're still one of the best Disney youtubers out there.
That’s the best part of the video! Made me laugh! 😂
I’m glad you said this, I was starting to think I had one glass of wine too many
Hahahahaha can happen to the best of us.. i had a laugh😂
If they do this expansion I think they should add another Walt Disney World railroad station to give an alternate way to either enter the COCO land or Encanto land and give guests a way to enter the expansion without having to walk there. Also if they do this expansion it would be a great time to add a Haunted Mansion restaurant.
This is a great idea! I’d say probably the Encanto land since it’s further from Frontierland and can provide secondary access to Liberty Square and the west side of Fantasyland.
I thought -- what about making the Riverboat also a Transportation option too; put in a dock in the back halfway.
@@MarcO-qe9td I don't think the riverboat would be practical. It already has an issue with capacity and doesn't run that frequently. It's also a slow method of transport.
I highly doubt the will do it. It costs a lot of money and Disney is all about profits
It is the obvious great idea and I’m pretty confident they thought about it and will incorporate a train station in one one the three lands.
I'm all for the Villain's Kingdom. I think Disney Parks work better when the lands are framed around concepts rather than one specific IP.
I kinda would like to see the Villian Kingdom closer to the Haunted Mansion and Fantasyland.
Build a new gate!
Walt Disney himself was smart enough to not create any land connected to one specific film or animated feature. He created lands of Adventure, Fantasy, Frontier and Tomorrow. Even a New Orleans quarter. All places where you can put any character in any adventure imagined, without the danger of became outdated. Imagineers should research the ideas of the Old Master and follow his advises. The Man knew how to build a Dream!
I think it’d make more sense for a villains land to be connected to new fantasy land (which is the fantasyland forest) and have the villains area be like the dark forest, almost an expansion of fantasy land but still it’s own separate thing. Then it could connect to the other side at haunted mansion. I do like the idea of a new rivers of America like in Disneyland but I also hadn’t considered shortening the river.
Oh! I love the transitional idea you have in going into the dark forest. If done properly, this could really give the park a shot in the arm. Maybe D23 DID have something there we missed, or couldn't see past smoke n mirrors?
I thought the exact same thing about connecting the new villain’s land to new fantasy land. It would make the most sense for flow and story.
I think you're right too! I'd put encanto next to frontierland where the landscaping might match better, then coco and the land of the dead could lead into villains, into fantasyland 😍
Very good point Logan. Also it would help balance out crowds in the park. This would also open up space for yet another land beyond Big Thunder Railway for yet another IP. How about a land for all the race swapped characters both the before and after? So fans can do meet and greets and enjoy mingling with their favorites.
An expansion to New Fantasyland would lead it too close to the fireworks launch area. They'll keep that parimeter clear of any development.
I would love to see an Encanto ride that’s similar to Mystic Manor
Congratulations on 6 years! Please continue to do everything that you do!
I guess I dont understand why Disney would make those new lands so specific to a couple of movies that I feel are not that well known by the average person. I can see rides themed from those movies, but not an entire land. I dont think it makes a lot of sense. It will be outdated by the time the lands are built.
I think they are well known to the average person, but I agree these movies have not yet stood the test of time. LION KING make so much $$$ after 30 years, but still no ride? Same for Beauty/Beast, Tangled, Aladdin, and even Wonderland and Neverland.
2028 will be Mickey's 100th birthday like this year is for the Walt Disney Company!
These are my favorite vids from you ❤
Glad you like them! I have a few more planned on various projects!
@@DSNYNewscast awesome :) can’t wait!
I would like to see the villains land connected to Fantasyland by removing current Fantasyland restrooms near Gaston's Tavern and have entrance there, opens up even more land to build on.
I really hope that if they include all three proposed ideas, they make the two IP based ones (Coco and Encanto) part of Frontierland rather than their own lands. I don't know how you'd justify Encanto (the only current land that an Encanto ride would fit in is Adventureland, and maybe Fantasyland), but I could see Coco easily fitting under the Frontierland umbrella, since the Wild West is heavily tied to Mexico. I really would hate for it to be a Disneyland Galaxy's Edge scenario were its a land with only one IP in a park where all the other lands are general themes with multiple IPs fitting in them. Adding two new lands based on one specific IP would taint cohesion of the park, in my opinion. The Villains Land is fine since it's also a general theme that could fit numerous IP, fitting well with the other lands.
Jack, I think it makes more sense for Disney to reclaim part of Rivers of America as you suggest mostly for Coco and Encanto. Then, wrap the Villains Kingdom around the back of Fantasyland. There needs to be access to the VK from Fantasyland as thematically, the VK aligns with Fantasyland and its stories while Coco and Encanto align with Frontierland.
Congratulations on 6 years, Jack! This video was super appropriate for the occasion given how far the parks and this channel has come since you started! Although they were teases, exciting times for Disney are ahead of us!
They have to turn the blue sky concepts into reality to fight epic universe
I wish they would focus the MK expansion on Villain’s Kingdom. The Mexican pavilion in Epcot should get Coco, and Dinoland in AK should become South America, including Encanto. Part of it could also be Moana.
These all make a lot more sense than cramming them in one spot behind BTM. Villains Kingdom is the only one at home here while the two feel disjointed. You can fit Encanto at Animal Kingdom with the South America theme just with Antonio’s gift of talking to animals alone and have the rest of SA include more original, immersive animal experiences since there are so many other countries and animals to include. No Moana, save that for a future expansion elsewhere (idk where, don’t ask, maybe 5th gate if that’s even true). Coco can find its home where Mexico already exists at Epcot, just get ride of the Anna and Elsa meet & greet and make a larger footprint for the ride to go in. Or just build behind it, plenty of room, like they’d get rid of anything Frozen.
Mexico pavilion is too small..and Frozen is too popular to switch it to Coco.. people say Frozen doesn't belong in Norway and now think Coco will go inside Mexico Pavilion..it can't.
"And at this point, you may be asking why did I choose these 4 attra- And at this point, you may be asking why did I choose these 4 attractions" lol
Lol 😂
I always thought you could fit an E-Ticket ride between Pirates and Splash mountain.
With the villains out of the way from the rest of the park for their upcoming kingdom of their own with Chernabog's Peak and Maleficent's Fortress towering it all, it's like summoning the Isle of the Lost which could also suit that dark realm; including the Elephant Graveyard, Dr. Facilier's Voodoo Emporium, Ursula's concockery and the Queen of Hearts' courtroom.
a new or relocated train station may be in order to get you in and out of new sections along with walkways. kind of odd that DL has 4 stations while the much larger MK only has 3
Was thinking a train station would add to the eNerGy of this new area.
Congratulations on 6 years! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Congratulations on your 6th year anniversary of the show , here's for many more years of great content
i can't wait for these expansions in 2050 🥰
Also, it took them so long to do Tron (which is mostly just copy paste from Shanghai at least in terms of ride system and such) it would be incredibly impressive to do 3 whole lands in the span of ~4 years. I understand it was delayed by Covid, but come on, Florida barely shut down.
Regardless if any of this come to fruition, this is some amazing work by the DSNY Newscast. Way to go, Jack!!
I have to think that relocating the restrooms between Small World and the Fantasyland wall would create a far more direct and desirable primary entrance to any new lands in that backlot area of the Magic Kingdom. You could likely keep the Pinocchio Village Haus Restaurant as there is plenty of room between the existing Fantasyland wall and other buildings. Building a deck over the entrance to the Utilidor tunnel entrance wouldn't be difficult at all. In fact, those service tunnels could then be extended under the new lands as well. Most of the backstage buildings in that area are minor and we saw far more significant transplantation of services at Galaxy's Edge. Continuing the primary spine of the park with new Utilidors for services just seems more logical when compared to the very long rout around the Haunted Mansion with far less interruption of existing attractions.
Congratulations on 6 years on here & thank you for all u do Jack!!!
No…thank you for Jeff for watching and supporting over all these years
Congratulations on 6 years my friend! Been there since year one, amazing to see where you’ve gotten. Keep up the amazing work! 😊
Happy 6th anniversary for the channel and love your content as always bring on another 6 years.
That very good
I would love to see a sizable expansion like this come to MK! It's easy to get overprotective towards a park that's so... basically perfect, haha, but I think with the change of Splash Mtn, a retheme is absolutely necessary, and why not use that as an opportunity to grow, change, and introduce new ideas to the park! It was never supposed to be a museum anyways. I think the Imagineers will do the park justice, whatever they choose to do. Super excited for it!
Followed for a while but rarely comment. Just want to say thank you and share how much I enjoy and appreciate your content. Former Cast Member at WDW and still love staying up on everything. Thanks for all you do!
Congrats on your six years Jack, enjoyed each and every one of them :) Thanks for the disney magic you bring to youtube- helps when im missing my Disney home away from home :)
Well, Jack. The production of this episode is outstanding!
As always, a fantastic and in depth look Jack. Congratulations on 6 years!
the perfect video for the 6th anniversary of your first video 🎉
This was a fantastic video. Letting us see the maps with attractions in it made it really come alive for understanding.
Sorry I'm late to this one...I appreciate how in-depth your research on these topics Jack. Seeing SOMETHING concrete stimulates the imagination and brings some much-needed hope into the future of the Disney Parks. I am personally extremely excited to track this as it goes along, because I remember the joy and excitement of tracking other Bob Iger-led projects throughout the world in the last decade and how cool it felt to always have something to look forward to! It feels like we're finally getting back into the Blue Sky excitement of Imagineering again!🥳🥳🥳
Happy 6th Anniversary DSNY Newscast ! Keep up the great work Jack
6 years!! Congratulations, Jack! Love the page. Love the content!
No, put COCO in Epcot inside the Mexico pavilion and put something else in MK. The Mexico pavilion all done up to look like day of the dead celebration with glowing leafs everywhere would be amazing and then having the Three Caballeros take you into the land of the dead would be amazing - its a total waste of space to build a whole new section dedicated to COCO when the perfect location already exists! Not to mention look at Frozen in Norway, it took a 5 minute wait and turned it into a 1-2 hour wait, COCO could do the same and eat up a bunch of capacity and help keep other wait times down.
I would scrap encanto and coco to create a giant villain kingdom- can have sub lands in it and would tie in well with magic kingdom thematically. Maybe incorporate coco into Epcot somehow not sure about encanto
Maybe add a Colombian pavilion in the World Showcase?
Happy anniversary, Jack. Outstanding video.
They can add another train stop. If you don't want to walk you could take the train to the Villains station.
I think people forget that Disney can just buy mitigation credit to impact wetlands and add fill to existing areas to raise it above the floodplain. They don’t have to have that waterway there, they can just fill it in. Disney has a mitigation bank with state/federal UMAM credits
Fabulous analysis! Any thoughts on Skyliner expansions coming to MK or AK?
I have my fingers crossed for Beauty and the Beast expansion that could connect to these new lands
Agreed 100%. Also, Tangled and Aladdin deserve a respectable space.
Haunted Mansion should def be close to the villians castle. The Thunder mountain can turn into Mexico/Colombia for Coco and Encanto.
I am usually hesitant when I think about Disney spending their money and until I see that Tiana's is going to be a grand project, I'm not going to believe they're going to have major investments for awhile. However the dream of making that a space with many more activities to do does sound promising, if they would only do it!
Happy Anniversary Jack! Keep up the great work, I appreciate you and your channel.
Wow ,six years already? I've been watching you since your brother (?) had the sister Universal channel. You must be doing something right!
VillansKingdom: a better transition from haunted mansion to villans kingdom than.. villans to encanto. Having encanto next to coco makes a much better transition.
But those crickets at the beginning… thanks again Jack for every video! Happy 6 years! Here’s to many more!
Another distance solution would be to potentially add another train station, a people mover, a rail line similar to that at Rafiki’s planet watch, a river boat stop, other watercraft/boat rides, and so on. I’m curious as to what they would actually call these lands moving forward.
I love your vision Jack. Keep up the great work.
😂 YES someone noticed the crickets haha, and I agree, a train station would be a MUST!
A lot of this expansion likely depends on what happens with the fight between Disney and DeathSantis.
That’s a debate for 21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III. 😂
A happy anniversary, Jack!
Congratulations on 6 years Jack!!!! 🥂🍻
Congratulations on 6 years Jack!🎉
Congratulations 🎉 on 6 years!
If they do go through with the project, they could add a station for the train to stop which would reduce the amount of walking many guests would have to take. It would also mean that guests could catch the train at the front of the park and ride it to the new lands, saving a lot of walking in the process.
Iger also mentioned spending 1.7 billion over the next 10 years. So it's possible they don't expect the project to be completed until 2033.
Does anyone see a 5th gate coming within 10 years?
Always love your videos, they're timely and informative and we really appreciate it.
They need to have Coco, Encanto, and the Emperor’s New Groove together! And then the villains can have their own little island area 😂
2:43 The only worst mistake Igor did was put a Princess and The Frog ride in Frontierland.
Hi Jack! Great analysis and content as usual. In addition to walkways, I see no reason why the railroad would not be extended to circle around all 3 new lands with a stop or two for disembarking and loading. I also see no reason why the Liberty Belle riverboat wouldn’t have a second dock right in front of the three new lands. I do hope they reroute the river as you explained to open additional land near the haunted mansion. Additionally I’m for replacing Tom Sawyer Island with Tiana’s Restaurant or Neverland and connect the island to the mainland with arched walkways that the Liberty Belle could pass under.
If they're going beyond big thunder I feel that cars land would look the best there. Goes with the rock formation layout. I feel Encanto would be best animal kingdom or epcot. As well as coco in epcot within word showcase. Villans kingdom is a must that would have tons a draw both children and adults. Plus come halloween omg amazing! The villains kingdom I fell needs its own hotel as well themed.
Love how you kept in your mess up, instead of editing it out
Somebody on Disney needs to offer you a job in planning maps and expansions jejeje... Wonderful job.
I wish Hugo… I wish! Haha
@@DSNYNewscast love your work bro.
this whole time i figured they would have removed sections of that service road. had no idea there was that much land hiding around rivers of america. thanks as always for the visuals
Having either a train station or walkway railway line segment with a railroad crossing among the purchased acre is a good idea; having the village from Encanto on one side and the world of Coco and the Villain Kingdom on the other is a perfected incorporation. On Big Thunder, the locomotives need their missing pairs of driver wheels remade with chassis drive rods.
First video I've watched and I really appreciate the detailed level of your insight. From my POV, from a theming perspective I would rather they incorporate Encanto into Adventureland, and move Coco to the spot along the River. This allows Coco to be part of Frontierland and is in keeping with the western expansion theme of the area. It also frees up the massive expansion area for Villians, which lets be honest, a Villians land the size of Fantasyland has the potential to be EPIC! Is there room in Adventureland for an Encanto attraction?
I think the $$$ will be spent! Just Hope they let Imagineers do their THING and make it something beyond GREAT! Congrats on keeping US HapPy + informed about our magical places. Michael T. Houston, TX.
Congratulations Jack 6 years. 🎉
Personally i feel as though villians land should be connected to fantasy land , im sure they could fairly easily remove the theming of storybook circus, making it a more generic fantasy land theme , then a path could go around the back towards villians land which could then also have a second access past haunted mansion . Although i can never see disney do this I would love to see them remove the beauty and the beast restraunt and replace it will the new ride at tokyo disney aswell as an extra pathway to villians land with gastons restraunt being the first section of villians land
I can only imagine how long this would take? GOTG took how long?
I would absolutely adore Coco and Encanto expansions. They're both such beautiful movies
My opinion is still. Magic Kingdom is a family park. I don’t see young children and general public asking for Magic Kingdom to become Dark Kingdom by adding a section based on villains in the back of the park. Who is asking for Villains land? Disney adults.That’s a whole different target group. One that fits the same category in the type of entertainment that Universal offers. I say put Encanto, Coco then make a duplication of the Cars Radiator Springs attraction at California Adventure to tie up the theme at the back of Magic Kingdom. Then build a Villain park to compete with what’s Universal is doing with their Epic overhaul.
Makes sense with reclaiming the land - and some of the extra space could be used as a Haunted Mansion themed restaurant. Hopefully they also re-route the train and add a new station.
First off, Happy Anniversary Jack!!!!!
Man this expansion is so hard to think about at this point. The ambitions are incredibly high but the timing and the price is very difficult.
To say which one I'm excited for, I definitely want to see the Villains land come to life cause that'll one heck on an experience.
great video as always! 😀repeated a bit in places.
😂 just noticed it
Congratulations on 6 years Jack 👏 🎉
I think the distance would be part of the experience.... Do a forest that gets darker and darker as you go into Villanland.
Happy 6th year anniversary! Edit: It'll never happened, but I'd love the Beauty and the Beast trackless darkride from Tokyo cloned over here.
Congratulations on the anniversary, @DSNY Newscast!
Great video Jack! Personally as much as I like the idea of Encanto and coco, I really would like to see more of an expansion for Frontier Land. I think it would be great to get a dark ride based on the Western River Expedition. As for the Villain area, I’m hoping most of the focus of this space goes towards that, specifically with the introduction of a new Official Mountain of the magic kingdom, as we lost splash with the renaming of Tiana’s Bayou adventure.
If they remove the cast member area on the other side of the path to this newly expanded area, they could easily bring the never-built Western River Expansion and create a more scenic walking path with the additional mountain.
@@bruceweatherly6559 That would be great too, I honestly just wanna see it brought to the park. I really think it has potential to be the next generation of a classic Disney ride
Ah internet distance put to the test, I love it. More of these please!
I think they should do just a villains land for all the 17 acres, because they are the answer to Universal’s Epic Universe with the Rumored Monster Land area if executed right. Think of the story they can come up with about the Villains Land like it’s Magic Kingdom’s equivalent to Mordor from Lord of the Rings. Don’t get me wrong I love Coco and while I think Encanto is ok, I think the Villains are more popular choice than those two.
Disney have to get villains land right and get it done soon there not just competing with what Epic universe is going to be intially. Epic universe is only the start of universals big plans they still have Pokémon and Lord of the rings rights up their sleeve. You imagine Disney announce villains land to big fanfare then take 5 years to build it and it's lame with just couple of attractions and universal respond by building a Massive lords of rings land with Mordor, the shire and hells deep with 4/5 world class attractions on the massive expansion plot at epic, getting it build and opened Before villains land despite starting year or so later.
No more expansions or make believe expansions. Disney needs another whole Park.
No lands, no tear downs and calling it an “expansion”
Independently, I love the idea of Encanto, Coco, and a Villains area. The first two IPs are packed with beautiful songs and visually stunning settings, and would be great additions. Likewise, a Villains area is something many people have clamored for for years. My big issue comes with just how these three would be integrated into the park without ruining its current immersion which is neat and purposeful.
Magic is laid out perfectly with each land having proper theming. I worry cramming these three areas together will feel disjointed and lack cohesion. For me, a Latin America/mystical area at Animal Kingdom would've been the ideal place to put Coco and Encanto themed areas next to each other. Then, leave the beyond thunder area for a larger villains section complete with a second "dark" castle to serve as the juxtaposition to the landmark of Cinderella in the front.
Yes I agree. Moana doesn’t fit in at all in Animal Kingdom and while using IP is getting kinda exhausting, Coco is a much better fit if they did mystical, land of the dead animals (but the ride maybe too similar to Flight of Passage) to keep the animal theme going. Encanto should go to Epcot’s World Pavilion as a mini-Columbia pavilion maybe next to Mexico (there’s no room for Coco here either). Villains Kingdom is the only thing that for sure should stay at MK and it could be enormous and they need that kind of space to meet the demand this would generate.
@@WMFilms25 … agreed. IP themed attractions must fit into a “Land.” Coco & Encanto are better suited for Epcot, now that they’ve trashed Walt’s original concept in that park.
Creating Villains Kingdom will take a huge plot of segregated property, and that “Beyond Big Thunder plot” is perfect for the standalone Villains expansion.
I disagree about Coco and Encanto fitting in at Epcot. Though they are set in real life countries, World Showcase should be about the realism side of the world and not stuff in IPs which is also why Frozen should have been at Fantasyland. Although Ratatouille at least is more true to actual French culture.
I would argue that Moana could fit in at Animal Kingdom though as the park’s themes are on animal problems and the preservation on wildlife and the film itself does focus on these 2 themes.
If they did do the layout you have at 9:18, it would be smart of them to put a haunted mansion themed restaurant behind the actual ride
"Cre(a)matorium" Ice Cream shop.
@@garrettcarter5622 that would be awesome too but they definitely have room for a restaurant
Happy anniversary Jack, pretty wild to think I've been watching you for that long. Hell, I never used CZcams before I found your channel!
I like your idea of shortening that longer path and putting the Encanto village there... BUT I think on the 17 acre plot they should solely go with the Villain Kingdom, and put an e-ticket attraction in the Mexico pavilion for CoCo... Something akin to the ET attraction at universal\Peter pan\and flight of passage as a swinging dark coaster where you're riding the Alebrije... And stopping at different parts of the story. That way they're not recycling attraction technology to the T, but integrating multiple different systems... Maybe kinda like how you duck into those small rooms on MMRR.
I think shoving all three lands into one area seems desperate and less than immersive.
Congrats again and great job on another fantastic video! I'll be looking at a Patreon account too!
🎉 congrats on six years sir!!!🎉❤
I don't usually comment on posts of videos but a few days I was thinking how possible would be a expansion but that question was answer on this video which explain the possibilities made click and sense. I know that Coco and Encanto should be something for Epcot but if you compare the land to the other one of them is very limited to do so plus with the innovation to be finished don't have to much at the moment. This expansion at the Magic Kingdom works better. Congratulations on your 6 years.
Love your Videos!
Happy Celebration 🍾 🎉😂 Jack m8.
Bald Mountain for the Villain's Kingdom, please. Who wouldn't want to see that transformed into Chernabog at night?
Happy 6 year anniversary!
There were a couple of repeats at 4:25 and 7:55 if you want to edit them out. Great video as always, Jack!
Can’t edit them out, the CZcams edit tool keeps being buggy and knocking the video/audio out of sync
@@DSNYNewscast That’s frustrating. It’s very minor anyway :)
I'm worried that adding a new land to Magic Kingdom will be just like widening a major highway. That extra capacity could be saturated within a year or two, and Disney would still be stuck with the same problem of too many guests at their flagship park and not enough at Animal Kingdom or EPCOT. But if their strategy is getting most guests to spend 2 or 3 days at MK, 1 day at Studios, and another day at AK or EPCOT, it might pay off. Ultimately, Resorts are the big revenue generators, and a new land at MK without another Deluxe Resort only helps Epic Universe. Universal's in a great position to eat up a decent slice of Orlando's convention market, and Disney has to respond to that.
I'm really excited about this expansion.
Hey!! Happy Channel Anniversary, my dude!!! Glad to see you get this far!!
In terms of your question, I honestly do think what you have in mind is a fairly solid layout...although, to be honest, I feel like the artwork actually goes Coco Land, Encanto Land, and THEN the Villains Land instead of having the Villains Land between Coco and Encanto because the artwork shows the Villains land to be in the very back of the artwork while Coco blends into Encanto so that the two Spanish-related properties (even if based on different Spanish-like cultures) can be next to each other while the scaryness of the Villains Land can be next to the Haunted Mansion.
I could see Coco and Encanto in the 17acre area, and then Villains behind Fantasyland (maybe with a "Portal" to access) by Pinocchio Village Haus.
The way your mind works is amazing.