Balancing Choreography and Orchestration • Bernd Rücker • GOTO 2020

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  • This presentation was recorded at GOTOpia November 2020. #GOTOcon #GOTOpia
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    Bernd Rücker - Co-founder and Chief Technologist of Camunda and co-author of “Real-Life BPMN"
    ABSTRACT
    These days, many teams favor loose coupling, isolation and autonomy of services and therefore typically opt for event-driven and reactive architectures, using a communication pattern known as choreography.​
    Bernd Rücker believes that choreography is beneficial in some situations, but that it is far from the holy grail of integration.​
    In some scenarios, it increases coupling, often accidentally and to a dangerous degree. Orchestration is a better choice for some situations but is often bashed for introducing tight coupling. Bernd will debunk some of these myths and show how orchestration can even reduce coupling in some situations and work in an asynchronous, message-driven fashion [...]
    TIMECODES
    00:00 Intro
    01:23 Orchestration vs choreography
    03:47 Example
    04:25 Synchronous call chains
    05:46 Asynchronous call chains
    06:22 Choreography or orchestration?
    07:49 Event-driven
    09:31 P2P event chains
    16:10 Decide about responsibility
    19:56 Stateful orchestration
    22:15 Glue code e.g. Java
    23:07 Using a workflow engine
    24:20 Challenge: Command vs event
    31:04 Your IT architecture
    31:44 Summary
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Komentáře • 23

  • @FaustoOliveiraFilho
    @FaustoOliveiraFilho Před 2 lety +14

    Another way to put it:
    Orchestration - you *know* what happens *next*
    Choreography - you *react* to what happened *before*

  • @alexanderbikk8055
    @alexanderbikk8055 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It's even better than just great. It's brilliant. Years if even-driven architecture in 30 minutes video.

  • @MauricioAlexandre
    @MauricioAlexandre Před 3 lety +12

    Nice, it sounds brief:
    Orchestration = command-driven communication
    Choreography = event-driven communication
    That's it!

  • @BipinJethwani
    @BipinJethwani Před rokem +1

    It's the best explanation ever. Thanks Bernd !

  • @thelister7393
    @thelister7393 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Fantastic presentation! Thank you for sharing your explanation 🙏

  • @CodingNuggets
    @CodingNuggets Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks as always GOTO. Always interesting topics. See you soon!

  • @DarthVader250
    @DarthVader250 Před 3 lety +2

    I wrote an article ones, where Choreography and Orchestration are persons debating who is better :) but, always to see someone's point of view on the same topic, especially when mine was a bit different until the end of this talk!

  • @itwchmurach2651
    @itwchmurach2651 Před 3 lety +5

    That order fulfilment service is nothing else but saga (Saga Pattern) implemented with a workflow engine.

  • @NitinGautam81
    @NitinGautam81 Před rokem +1

    Very good explanation.

  • @myhideout28
    @myhideout28 Před rokem

    Awesome explanation, thanks!

  • @SpittingMage
    @SpittingMage Před rokem +1

    Orchestration: process knowledge is centralized.
    Choreography = process knowledge is distributed.
    Orchestration introduces a possible Single Point of Failure.
    Choreography implies distribution, so it only makes sense in an event-driven setup, as to avoid the distributed monolith.

  • @Jaggigee
    @Jaggigee Před 3 lety +1

    very cool, thank you

  • @valour.se47
    @valour.se47 Před 3 lety +1

    Great explanation.

  • @digisecureagent7679
    @digisecureagent7679 Před 3 lety +1

    VERY GREAT TALK!

  • @GBlunted
    @GBlunted Před 10 měsíci +1

    very good

  • @FaustoOliveiraFilho
    @FaustoOliveiraFilho Před 2 lety +1

    What's that video of the meet up guy saying they're suffering from Pinball Architecture? I'd like to watch it

  • @javafreak2
    @javafreak2 Před 2 lety +1

    Well explained

  • @11janci
    @11janci Před 3 lety +2

    fantastic, thank you!

  • @abduljeelani4040
    @abduljeelani4040 Před 3 lety

    To start to have understanding of emergent behaviors on event based choreography, The subscribers for the event should let know the system for what business process that they are subscribing the event, e.g we have a susbscrption service (say a wrapper around some messaging like kafka), the susbscribers call this service "event they wish to subscribe" and "the business process", Now in your subscription registry you have all the information and sequence.
    To identify where we need orchestration is to look for services that publishes an event and also subscribes to the result of event, e.g In financial context lets say the "audit" services publishes the audit changed event, and also susbscribe to the "audit notification sent" event it indicates that "audit" is sending the event in disguise, this should be a "notify audit" command rather.
    While both these models work, the intention becomes clear and control becomes more prominent when expressed as command.

  • @existential.nihilist
    @existential.nihilist Před 3 lety

    you could present your own case, rather than criticize someone else's material.