Stand On Skid Loaders | Bobcat, Ditch Witch, & Toro with Pricing
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Great video! Just yesterday I started looking at these. You saved me a lot of time. Thanks!
Merrill S glad to hear it! If you have anything to add for someone in the market that is reading through the comments please do!
The disadvantage of the Bobcat is their mount. On the others, the attachments have a common mount. I can rent Toro dingo attachments and use them on my Ditch Witch.
Great Video. Thanks for the detailed description.
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work man 👍🏻
Kaleb Marick Thank you Kaleb!
I’m buying one soon 👍 thanks for the video man!
I have absolutely loved our tx1000. The inner lug on track tore at about 400hrs. Toro sent me a brand new set free. We are at 600hrs now. We may buy another but want to see the new Kubota scl1000 first.
Thanks for the video.
I’ve been in the market for a mini skid and narrowed it down to a Vermeer and and this bobcat.
If I could find one with only 200 hours for $22000 I’d buy it too.
Good looking fleet and shop. 👍👍
Cutting Edge Landscaping what did you end up going with? Yeah for $22,000 it was to good to pass up 👍🏼
I have the SK1050 and I love not having to grease my Ditch Witch. But I do love the simplicity of tightening the tracks by injecting grease in the slack adjusters. They also give you a gauge to test the track tension.
The little MT bobcats have a huge but to adjust the track tension. Not grease able like the large bobcats. The nut is a pain in the rear. I would like the non grease able machine as well. Greasing the tracks on the bobcats is a pain. Apparently the new mt100 has a greaseless roller system for the tracks though
I was heavily considering a tx1000 just before watching this video ( I always rent the tx1000) ... after watching your video and then doing some research on bobcats new 2020 mt100 , I went out yesterday and put a deposit on my new bobcat machine !
How do you like your mt100 so far?
And how much did it cost ?
How much did it cost?
Haven't used Bobcat or Ditch Witch walk behind machines, but I can attest to the Dingo. If you can overlook its ridiculously cumbersome hand controls and its remarkable lack of power, it's truly a great machine. I'll be using picks and shovels before I rent another.
Great video, I love my mt52 and willing to upgrade to mt85 The only think I dont necessary like about the mt85 is that you can't really fit the standard attachment like dingo, ditch witch, vermeer and others. It's way harder to find good deals on bobcat attachments since it's easier to get the ones for dingo.
I own a new MT85 & so far so good 👍
delineator mine has been great so far as well 👍🏼
Funny thing is I was trying to buy a tx1000 narrow track last spring. Dealer let me demo one and when I went to sign on the line they came back and said it was not available and gave me the run around. Toro has had problems with the narrow track and it ended up wasting a bunch of my time. I confronted Toro about it at the gie last year and and never got a good answer from them. Went to Bobcat and bought a mt85 last spring and I dont know how I lived without it. Like you said I like the simple design. Its also the cheapest of the minis I priced and can run full size bobcat attachments.
Thank you for the video
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you sir. We have run a toro dingo and bobcat t55. I did not like the dingo either. Looking forward to renting a t85 for our next job to see how it will do.
Mt 85 works nice for us, use it everyday
I tried bobcat mt55 didn’t like the stand went with a ditch witch sk752. I just got 52in bucket I love it I put it against anything
What about the Vermeer
I rented a Dingo a couple times for light landscaping and the tracks spun off the drive and boggie wheels. Track looked all rubber and all floppy.
good stuff. we run mt55 because they are closer to the ground and less tippy. The platform with wheel in the back if much safer for us doing concrete (demo concrete, retaining walls). Had a demo mt85 and the guys leaned toward the mt55 at the end of the day.
I want to buy this MT85 for concrete demo too, why didn't your guys like the mt85?
Rented the toro tx470 for restoring a lawn where a huge tree was removed. I liked it but it's very like almost unstable I guess you could say. But I did enjoy it. Was perfect for that small job.
Yeah those are so small they can tend to be unstable. All depends what you are doing and what the ground is like underneath you.
Alex, we should coordinate a Midwest meet!
Stojkov's Landscaping Yes we should! Send me a message on Instagram and we will get it going!
I’d come!
I love my Toro dingo narrow track Tx1000. It's my favorite piece of equipment. So versatile.
I paid $27,500 for a brand new model in 2017. I have the tiller, auger, concrete breaker, grapples, forks and trencher.
Tim nice man!! You have all the good attachments 👌🏼 Any issues with the tracks?
Do You have any videos? I would love to see the concrete breaker
what about pulling up wood fence posts in concrete and then auger drilling ?
trying to stay under 36" wide
I agree about the digital screen on Ditch Witch. Worst move I think they've made. They used to be my top pick
That screen is very reliable. Never had an issue and don't know anyone that has
Weld a plate on bucket between steps. You'll snap that front zerk a lot if not.
How did you learn to do all the in depth maintenance? I know basic stuff, but most things other than oil change etc I have dealer do.
Should have looked at Boxers I’ve run 426 with Perkins Diesel and 532 w Kubota. These machines were both way ahead in design efficiency at the time looks like they are finally catching up.
I've built boxers 532dx some small flaws can be easily fixed but are tough machines let me tell ya
Quality video
Thank you!
We used a Toro trx1000 and it blew a radiator hose and was leaking hydraulic fluid all over. Moving dry wall and instillation... It had 160 hours on it
I talked to a guy that owns a rental company For quite a while and he syud that of all the machines, Toro has the weakest under carriage . He says Vermeer and ditch which are the top 2 machines
I've never really been a stand on Guy I love my bobcat S70 a ton and we haven't got stuck in it yet and we're in Florida
Nice man! I know some people really love those. I have personally one ran an s70 one time
We had a brand new mt85, the undercarriage was pretty rocked at 700 hours we switched gears and went to a Ditch Witch sk850 with counterweight, which makes it an sk1050. the undercarriage is far superior. those ridiculous grease fittings on the bobcat that sit in the dirt all day no matter how much grease you pump into those things it just spews out and dirt crams in there I wish I would have bought the ditch witch right off the bat.
Tread Lightly Services LLC. We too switched from bobcat to ditch witch. So far we are very happy with this decision. We went with the smaller sk600 model.
@@GardenGateLawn we demoed the sk600 it was a very good machine, but didn't quite have the capability that we needed since we regularly lift a thousand pounds plus, I would definitely own one after the prices come down on used ones because they are only 33 in wide which would really help on some of the tighter job sites.
that was my first mini skid. everything youre saying is true. it was a tank
Love your videos,very inspiring. I live in Illinois as well. On your intro of video. How much for that bush not to sure if it was a burning bush. Any who it will really help me out to know the price on just that one. Then I will do the math from there.
Thanks
Ezequiel Arce Thank you Ezequiel! Which bush are you referring to? And are you asking how much it cost us?
Just got mine
Okay 2 questions I was told that the parking brake is 2 pins that slide out but they manage to get stuck that’s the only thing that sucks. Also what the black pedal for on the platform for. I rented the machine 3 times and they told me not to use the brake 🤔
Imperial Services yeah the parking breaks suck! But that’s all bobcat track machines. Just strap it down and run it 🤣
Do you think the 37 HP ditch witch vs the 25 HP Bobcat MT100 makes a significant difference? My main use would be personal, trenching, posts, grappling trees, brush and like the bobcat
Are you talking the MT85 vs the ditch witch 1050? I do think there is a big difference between those two. We may upgrade to a 1050 this year.
@@nickenslandscapingexcavating Mt 100
Have you guys considered articulated steer loaders instead, I run an avant 423 for landscaping so much less ground impact and have telescopic boom
Millars Excavation a tire machine has less ground impact? I believe that psi is lower on the track machines
I don't really get it, saw a new standon SK3000 I think it was, that weighed 7000 Lbs! And the cost of these is Darned HIGH. ASV with a Cab RT 25 (3700 Lbs) RT40 (4100 Lbs), RT50 (5200 Lbs) and will go more places but physically larger, and very similar costs. One thing a stand on will do that you can't with a cab is lift a huge log, get off and Slice off Logs.. a very appealing feature of stand ons. Old Fart here who likes a machine with cup holders and a seat w/air suspension.
Just bought a Ditchwitch SK800.
Nice! Congrats
We run the 2019 MT85 a ton of hours each week. It never fails and keeps firing up each and every morning. We use it to move stone base in for artificial turf installs. Full bucket loads in and out of yards all day. Wished we would of purchased years ago. Best equipment purchase we have made.
Do any of these have an auger attachment?
What about a subcompact tractor with backhoe for 20k? Comes with mower too
What thickness of plywood do y'all use when taking a mini skid in a yard?
3/4
Man, 22k. I just can't justify it yet when its only $160 bucks to rent one for a day. And I do zero maintenance, don't have to store it and don't have to fix it. I hope to one day need it enough in my business to justify it.
Matt Schmitt yeah if your shop is buy a rental place that works. But for guys like me who have to drive 20 min minimum to the rental place then stand in there for 20 minutes before your ready to go then 20 minutes back to the job site and another hour later that day returning it. That’s 2 man hours per day per rental... For us only having a couple guys and really needing efficiency to be at 100% we needed to purchase
Lease it. Get a demo. We leased mine in 2007. Was a 2004 machine. Was $25,000. Demo 27 hours. $16,000. Leased for 550 per month. Makes more affordable.
Leased for 2 years. Bought back for $1600 . 10% buyback.
Sometimes Ritchie Brothers Auction have machines. Usually higher hours. Price is more justifiable for entry level. Anyone that rented these are impressed. Not as much as with experienced people.
How about an articulated wheelloader...like the Avant?
I can understand the concern with the screen and greaseless bushings but the best thing to do when researching these machines (even better than demoing), is to get online and try to find any negative commentary that you can about the unit your looking at. With the 1050, you will not find any...anywhere. And that unit has been around for about 5 years now. I hope that you have a good experience with the Bobcat, but when you get your next one, Id highly suggest revisiting the 800 or 1050 and checking out the Vermeer 925 or CTX 100. They actually have the best track record in the field for durability. Not to mention the CTX and the 1050 have WAY more power. btw did they really quote you $39-$40k on the TX1000?
Have you ever demoed a vermeer? I see more of those out here Naperville, Illinois.
Like the bobcat though!
im searching around for used mt55 for around and between $1,250 to $2,100 range
@@michaelmactavish1728 you're not going to find one for less than 8. And that 8k unit will have 2k hours and be bet to hell.
Stojkov's Landscaping I think he thought Alex meant he paid $2200....not 22,000 like he did. That’s ridiculous how much they want for those things.
@@michaelmactavish1728 Your going to be looking for quite a long time
@@m42deg yeah i seen one one day ago bobcat mt55 for sale over in miami for $1,000 but down fault no engine and no hydrulic pump in it wich be kinda pain in the rear and hard to plow sidewalks with it with no engine or hydrulic pump in it lol
My experience with track loaders is limited. However, I will not that using my friends sk800 is a dream. For reference, i have some experience with kubota tractors, 1 kubota skid steer, nice and new, and a new holland tractor, ran 2 differnt bucket trucks. Of all these systems, my friends sk800, hands down has the smoothest hydraulics, and i love the 2 stick system for vehicle control. the single stick in the kubota didn't feel as smooth, and it was far easier to make gradual turns with individual controls rather than on one stick.
Just my limited experience. Feel free to comment if yours has been different single vs combo stick vehicle control.
You are spot on! The controls on these little machines are phenomenal, when new and tight
Boxer mini skid ?
Can you please do a startup video skid steer loader
If I'm renting one of these and they are all about the same price, would you recommend one over the other?
Bobcat is most end user friendly.
That toro did alright digging 12" holes but anything over that size I'd shit the bed
Did you try the Vermeer CTX100? That’s the one I have.
Victor Noriz no we didn’t. Dealer is to far away.
It will eat the little Bobcat
Don’t have any experience with any other stand on machine other than the dingo tx1000 and it’s the best machine ever for tree work. You should test out a dingo with a grapple on it
You should do a video on maintenance on the mt85 I'm in the market for my mt85
Gordo I can do that! 👍🏼
@@nickenslandscapingexcavating thank you so much keep up the good content and what's ur Instagram
Can you show the bus to truck build?
Conor Berry Doing a final video on that soon!! 😎
Not to far from your shop. Need one for personal use. Was thinking about Toro but you have changed my mind. Did you buy at bobcat stl?
Hey thanks for chiming in! Yes we did, we get all of our equipment and parts from Bobcat in Fairview heights. They are great to deal with!
Can it still be used normally when it rains heavily? Will it leak electricity, thank you
Yeah rain doesn’t affect them
Good info, thanks
I rent mt55 bobcat it’s does a lot for its size I’m a growing small business but of course I cannot afford yet to buy but I rent make jobs easier and faster
I’m also a growing landscaper, I was thinking about getting the Makita electric wheelbarrow to carry things faster.
However, I’m thinking in the mid-long-term to get this- it will be the best investment.
Sounds like it had turf tracks on the Toro
whats the weight of the mt85
I just demo a mt85, but I think I'm going to wait for the new MT100 that's replacing the mt85
My MT100 gets delivered first week in November. I waited too for it over the MT85.
@@tobinHmiller is the mt100 better than the mt85?
I ll take ditch witch all day
Nothing wrong with ditch witch 👍🏼
No Grease fittings means trouble ,grease cost money rollers cost a heck alot more money
Yes but when they are made to be sealed sometimes that is just better. These rollers are a nightmare to grease.
Just hit 55hours on my ditch witch sk600. I am loving this little machine. $22,900 before tax. Here is KCMO.
Michael, I'm in KCMO also. And I might soon be in the market for a mini skid steer as well. See you around.
Same here, 500 hrs on sk600 in KC. Upgrading to the sk800. It saves lots of labor.
When we demoed the ditch witch the salesman said they were seeing only 300 hrs before the bushings on the loader arms needed replacing because of the lack of grease fittings
that's pathetic. id rather grease. that way youre already looking over the machine and might catch something else wrong with it.
I have a sk755 with 1100 hours and haven’t needed to replace any bushings. I replaced the tracks and a spindle at 1000 hours because I run on very rocky conditions been a solid machine
It depends on how theyre used. That's likely from constantly pushing the operating capacity to the limit doing tree work. Ive seen negligible wear on mine at the 300 hour mark. Either way, they cost about $15-$20 a piece and the only ones that you have to worry about much are the linkage on the attachment plate. Takes about 20 min to replace them all (compared to how much time and grease you spend daily on zerks?). I sold my Ditch Witch and now have a Vermeer CTX 100 with zerks all over it. Nice machine but I miss the greaseless bushings on the Ditch Witch. Its one of the best innovations in the mini skid market hands down.
What about the Vermeer
john Floyd too far away!
Everybody hates the dingo 😂 you’re not the first video I’ve seen where they end up eliminating the toro right off the bat
It’s a good machine just not as good lol
ever try a vermeer?
PCGonline no the closest dealer I over an hour away. I can’t do that
If you buy a proven machine, youre dealer isn't going to have to babysit you for warranty work. An hour or a little more away is a lot more convenient than most people have it.
Great vid, but hell man I drove 5 hours just to buy a decent trailer. I'd drive however far needed to get the best performing product.
So how much $ is the bobcat????
Around 26k without a bucket.
@@m42deg Ok thanks for that info not a bad price
Toro has had a big problem with the narrow track unit they have had the tracks come off with sharp turns. The wide track unit is a much better unit but also way more expensive
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Do you know what that Bobcat weighs?
You're so brave and strong. You're my hero. You're awesome, cause you're so cool.
I have an mt85 with 700 hrs nothing but junk
whats gone down on it?
Love our mt85 but wait for the undercarriage issues that will happen, no matter how much you grease.
I have to agree I sold mine at 700 hours
My MT85 is trash. 2 rollers out at 600 hrs
Same here trash after 500 hours
@@lujaynabraham9561 what happens to it?
Thoughts on if any of these would lift a skid of rock salt?
I would think the larger stand on skid loaders would lift it no problem, idk about moving around all that much with a full pallet but believe you could atleast lift on or off a truck or trailer
Bobcat excavator skid steer loader
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kubota reliable diesel engines
You cant load a 1 ton or dump truck mybe a dump trailer or pick up.
Wanna bet? We have multiple different 1 ton dumps, and there is about 10 inches of clearance from top of boards to loader arms.
Lol I do it every day with a ditch witch sk600 and 4x4 Chevy 3500 with knapheide dump bed.
Jesse Rousseau I load my dump truck and trailer everyday 👍🏼
@@nickenslandscapingexcavating how about a 30 yard dumpster?
Maybe a mason dump but not a landscape dump, like the rugby body or any with a 48" side
Skid loader bobcat 100
Yes they came out with the new MT100 👍🏼
I owned boxer 532dx. Loved it till I got sk1050. Now I love that. However the dump angle sucks so bad that I can't hardly get into some of my attachments if there on the trailer. Plate doesn't tip far enough. HUGE FLAW. Especially when dumping wet dirt over a dump trailer. Also bent both rear idle wheel axles and tore up the lugs. (have to keep them tight) my main hydro block that controls bucket leaks and the main tilt piston won't hold pressure any more. It's a great machine that blows the rest away with power but!!! Also dont like that the engine sides are open so if your running in brush watch out have almost jammed sticks and crap in there a few times.
Also to add I am around 1000 hours of super hard use. Greaseless Bushings still super tight.
Just for everyone’s information Toro owns ditch witch so the machines are more similar than you may realize
This is correct but the two machines are still very different. It’s not like a Chevy/GMC thing.
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too bad !
I'm going to have to dislike this video because your prices are about 1/2 what they are now! JK, but seriously wish prices were the same as they were Pre-2020.
Haha, I know the market is crazy. I paid $52,000 for a skid steer in 2019, that exact machine is $74,000 today. It’s the world we are living in I guess
No kidding the mt100 is over 40k now. Inflation sucks.
If you ever need to pull a railroad car loaded with 50k pounds of steel you can use a Dingo....
EDIT: and the Toro Dingo's tracks aren't good at all.
AntD36 haha! Hopefully I don’t have to do that but good to know! Yeah the dingo tracks are junk imo
First off your pricing is wrong on the toro TX1000. New they are $28000. Secondly you did not get into much about the dingo or the ditch witch. Also,if you own the bobcat,you need to buy cat attachments, where as all others are universal,making it easier to find used attachments. Toros come with kevlar tracks,maybe that's why they are thinner? Idk? But I've used all 3 machines,and I love the dingo,especially the speed and smoothness of the machine. How much did bobcat pay you for this video?LOL..You are just used to an inferior product. Just my opinion.
Vermeer trumps them all no doubt