What's Inside A MAC Silencer
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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2021
- In this video we will take a look at the insides of an original Military Arms Corp. 9mm silencer.
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R.I.P. buddy… What few conversations we had and the videos you posted on here, you taught invaluable knowledge on several SMG platforms that I will never forget.
You are missed.
Oh wow, I just found this channel & your comment was my 1st realisation we lost this guy. Sorry to hear it. He left us a legacy in his vids, passing on knowledge...
Just found it also. Damn.
I as well have just found his channel. What a loss for the firearms community. Hopefully he got all his lose end tied up before he passed.
Same just found this guy/channel that sucks he's gone .
Well gentlemen you'd better watch all his vids fast & take notes. I seem to recall hearing YT is going to begin purging their platform of channels whose owners passed starting this month
Excellent content thank you for passing on your knowledge. Videos like this means you never will be forgotten.
Unless youtube deletes it. Hopefully some people recorded this. I will not since my interest is only passing in nature.
Rest in power old man! You are missed!
Used to have one years ago. I found the eyelets to be inefficient. I tested the sound level with several decibel meters using different alternatives. I tried copper eyelets, steel wool and finally a copper Chore Boy scrubber. The heat transfer is best with copper. The Chore Boy scrubbers are easier to pack and allows more material to absorb the heat. I had to replace the packing after about 200 rounds for best results. The wipes were only good for five rounds. I could detect a noticeable decibel increase after one magazine. The Nomex cover made it much easier to handle. All I have left today is the disassembly tool which was a must have if you were going to clean and maintain an original Sionics suppressor.
Stainless steel chorboy last longer
Nice data. Thanks.
Thanx for the lessons, Richard... You truly are a master of your art.
Wow, thanks!
Interesting to see what suppressor tech used to be, this is awesome
Glad you enjoyed it
this was the first video i came acrossed by this gentleman. and when i got to the end and realized he has passed on to the next life i was saddened. life is shorter than we think... every minute, off every hour in each day matters. don’t take it for granted cause there’s no coming back ☺️
Thank you for your time. It’s very valuable to the person who is looking for the answers.
Was happy to see this pop up in my feed. Thank you for all the knowledge you gave us Richard
I never would have guessed what was inside that suppressor. Very cool.
You think small ball bearings would have the same effect? I feel like they would stack better, but there would be less air. I don’t know if that’s why you chose the eyelets instead.
Eyelets allow for more gas flow around them while diverting the path of the gas.
I am deeply greatful that this was made and kept for posterity. Thank you sir.
Thank you Richard, for everything.
You have a strong will when it comes to things not going the way you planned. I would have had to stop and then make a new video after i raked everything off the table , just after the second thing went wrong !!! Thank you for the video , very informative and am subscribed now .
I always wondered what was inside of them Thanks. I run a AWC MK9 on my full auto UZI it’s super quiet with sub sonic ammo you just here the bolt back-and-forth. It’s big and heavy and built like a tank but Dam it quite.
The MK9 is a great can.
Thanks for the Science behind the Suppressor video, Richard!
You bet!
Ty so much bro. Keep em coming
I shall try.
So much knowledge. I loved watching these videos.
Good show! Enjoyed and very informative. Thank you
Sold a bunch of those in the early days. They worked well but got “warm” after a few mags and hard to hold unless you had one of their covers. Miss those days .
we used the strap hanger and then used to rat a coat hanger around it and twist until it got tight but it was shit to hold onto. wish we had those silicon pot holder gloves back in the day. somebody would have made tactical silicon pot holder gloves...
DESIGNED BY MITCH WERBELL THE 3RD. SIONICS SOUND SUPRESSOR. GREAT VID.
thank you for passing on your knowledge, congratulations
You could still buy everything except the outer tubes in a kit in the late 70's and early 80's for around $200 bucks.
They weren't that much in the 70's.
you could buy internals from ONE Vendor and the tubes from ANOTHER Vender.
(so I heard)
And the outer tubes were like, 10 pages after the ad for the internals. I remember it well.
Do you remember the 2 liter pop bottle adaptors for the MAC 10s? 🙂
@@63DIRTY They sold them for 10/22's also. There was even a version that clamped onto .410 non ribbed shotgun barrels sold.
They were 42 dollars from RPB and then SWD up until 1985
Very big thank you for the suppressor strip.
I knew about those lids, but never saw it on video!
I appreciate you sharing the knowledge
Awesome history lesson
Very Interesting!
2 videos in 1 day & its not even my birthday. Mucho Gracias Amigo
You're welcome
I don't own any weapons, or firearms, but have an appreciation for them! It's amazing how eyelets direct the sound back n forth..I get it.
Thank you for the information
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Rest in Peace buddy.
He passed away did he.
I found the article on his passing on the web. My father was a master machinist and I followed in his footsteps. He passed in 09 of cancer also.
never thought of it thanks
Thank you for sharing, I always wondered what made the sionics tic.
Holy cow! Like watching a seven year old making breakfast for the first time😂😂😂.
You can make the fixtures and spacer for the 14" thick neoprene wipes, using dense neoprene, punch a 1/16" -1/8" in the middle of wipes depending on cloner, 1/16" for 9mm.
interesting design, I've always loved the m11a1 myself.
Great video
For sharing you get my attention
a classic design, fascinating
The washer in the end cap is called a bullet wipe and helps remove the last gas bubble fro the bullet as it passes through. You can use a mouse pad for the neoprene material.
Keep up the great work
Thanks, will do!
Great video thanks for uploading it
No problem 👍
Great video! I have always been curious about the old Sionics can.
Thanks for watching!
Oh my hell, loved this video. When you spilled the eyelets a second time, I laughed out loud and immediately knew I could have a beer with this guy anytime lol. Good info and informative! I build Diesel engines and know all the joys of stupid things like that happening hahaha. Thanks!
😅😅😅😁
I'll have a beer with you anytime.
I like this guy! I would have loved working with him.
I remember the ads in SGN for these.. the pieces for the back half looked like spent primers. Additionally, I don’t remember a baffle in the front end. There was also a company that made a wipe less endcap for them.
Damn, I shoulda bought the parts & tubes when I had the chance back in the ‘80s
Thanks. I always thought those were some of the coolest looking suppressors.
Right on
Suppressor technology has come a long way; great video.
All in one take, nice
Is this a good replacement to the neoprene wipes? I’m not sure where those wipes would be in the design.
...try reversing the expansion and baffles, 1st stage an expansion with baffles, then the second stage add shot or eyelets, seen amazing results.
When attached, those suppressors give the weapon a really menacing look to them.
That is amazing. I had no clue
Awesome video
I'd like to make a stepped can like that for my mp5sd but have the fat end with the baffles out front and the thinner part under the hand guard. I believe b&t has one they sell with their kh9 sbr kits.
That is a neat idea.
I never would have guessed there were eyelets in those cans. Ive always wondered how the iconic MAC suppressors worked. May I ask why you are replacing the spiral baffles? Are they inefficient or are these particular spirals just worn outor warped or something?
Please keep sharing your knowledge!
im sure he would if he could be sadly he is no longer with us
The spirals are definitely inefficient compared to other baffle designs these days… They did allow good flow-through though.
Many Prayers 🙏 And Blessings.
Hope Your Doing Better And Your Health Is Improving.
He's been dead
great info,,
Hi Richard. Interesting video. Was that all shot on the first take? Was wondering about the comedic flavor. Anyway, my choice would be to restore to as close to original as possible, then mount in on a period correct MAC 10 in 45ACP. Instead of the asbestoses can wrap, use Nomex. That would be my idea of 10/10 !!!
I shot it in one take then edited it afterwards. It's a 9mm MAC silencer not a 45. I will make new internals for the second stage but I will squirrel the original parts away in case I ever decide to put it back to original.
thanks
I did see a MAC that was in 380 with an attached silencer. It consisted of two parts, but different in that it was not full of eyelets. Maybe those were missing. It was in for repair of the neoprene washer that was at the front of the device. The gunsmith that repaired it was set up to do silencers, but not full auto weapons and had some sort of permission from ATF to have that item in his shop. I never saw that MAC being fired.
That’s soo interesting😊
Subscribed 😁
Nice fun fun!
For the life of me, I can not open up the large part of the suppressor. I have soaked it in penetrant for days. Froze it, heated it, put it in an ultrasonic tank and even put it in Berryman carb soak . How did you unscrew yours?
I’ve never seen that method of gas suppression before. That’s really cool
I watched another video about the Mac and I wondered what the rattling was in the suppressor.
That's a nice hobby sized cnc lathe behind you. I don't recognize the control panel on it. Is that an old Bridgeport EZ Path lathe? That would be great for turning those spiral baffles like you just showed us. One has a right hand thread and the other is a left hand thread. The change in gas direction slows down the gas and it's also able to give up some of it's heat in the process which condenses the gas.
It's a Trak 1630 lathe.
@@BWEFirearms I looked up the specs as I'm not familiar with those. Nice distance between centers and a big bore through the spindle is nice. About the only limiting things would be it has a low spindle speed top end and the rapid travel rates are slow. I see they have an option for a tool turret but I didn't see one on yours. Even if your using it for one of a kind jobs or for prototype work, a tool turret will save you a lot of time and cut down on scrap. I'm not sure what kind of electrical interface is required but you can get Chinese tool turrets for $1200 bucks new. You will be hard pressed to get an original for that kind of money.
I guess you also could set it up as a gang tool style cnc if you wanted a little more automated production out of it.
With all that cnc power so close I'm surprised you haven't turned down a piece of 2" diameter material to make an Uzi barrel with a funnel end on it kind of like a blunderbuss or ray gun. That would be an impressive science fiction space gun barrel on an Uzi. Practical? Nope, but it looks cool hanging in the lineup with the normal guns!
@@tenlittleindians I am not a high production shop so it works well for me. Tool changer was out of my price when I purchased it. I wish the distance between centers was longer for full length barrel work but it is what it is.
@@BWEFirearms True. A lot of people read 30 inches but don't realize a chuck at one end and a tail stock at the other can burn up distance fast. No machinist wants to take off a chuck and use a face plate with lathe dogs unless he has to. The problem with the longer bed lathes is they waste a lot of shop floor space for how few times your turning something long.
When I was checking out the specs on your model lathe I noticed they now have a 40" between centers version. That would cover most modern barrel outside diameter work. Inside barrel work needs double that distance to fit long tooling in the tail stock or tool posts.
That's when a dedicated gun drill earns it's keep.
@@tenlittleindians I looked at the 40" machine and it lacked features that I needed.
Amazing 👏
Thanks 😄
...if I don't spill everything... everywhere... that was funny... But Wow man, you really know what you're talking about. 30 plus years as a gunsmith.... Nice!!! please keep making videos. I only found your channel yesterday. Sadly I am in Canada :(
Glad you enjoyed it!
Seems unnecessarily heavy. Great breakdown video!
LOL this assembly and DIs Assembly was very funny to watch...
Did these ever use steel wool pads? Not sure if I'm confusing that with some other suppressors of that era.
The MACs did not but some of the old silencers use bronze wool.
@@BWEFirearms….
a excellent replacement is the STAINLESS STEEL or COPPER coated pads
sold in packs at discount stores, (just pack in tight) or muffler material (fireproof) sold at motorcycle shops to repack and rebuild blown-out 2 strokes.
steel wool is coated with a rustproof flammable coating, would not use.
I have an SWD copy of the 45 Sionics silencer I bought back in 1989 with my M10/45. It still works pretty good!
Old technology but still good.
@@BWEFirearms my Son shooting that Silencer with a nonexistent cover. This is a SMG I assembled from a stripped transferable Jersey Arms recurved.
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@@535tony Your son has good trigger control.
@@BWEFirearms He is a head hunter. I was amazed he could get such short bursts from an M10/45. He can shoot singles in our Reising.
@@535tony Very cool.
To be honest I wouldn’t use one besides for looks because the components aren’t just replaceable, thanks Reagan!
Awesome video can we get more of the function of the micro uzi please
after assembly can you fire ... that makes better
Have you seen the electric motors the old timer RC plane guys would use to start their glow engines? I have one and they can be adapted to a rubber cone, moral being the rubber cone gives you torque control via pressure, and could be used to run long threaded baffles down quickly and easily.
Ah man, RIP... I had some questions too. That silencer looked heavy...#? And were the eyelets originally in new ones or did the previous owners just randomly put them in there? I still had to ask out of respect.
Got to give credit to Mitch WerBell
For sure.
"And you dump them all over the table, that's exactly what you do" relatable HAHAHAH
Legend has it he’s still dropping those 3/16” eyelets to this very day…
This was a great video, made me laugh out loud a few times with the pain in the ass eyelets… I know how that goes!!
Good video I have wondered what was in the I have a 1973
I remember back in the early 80's I won a Mac 11 on a roach coach football raffle. I was only 17 at the time and promptly sold it before I even had possession of it. I knew at the time I was far too immature to have that in my hands. Kinda wish I had kept it now.
This is a real live "silencer", I had a mac-10 .45 with an Ingram can, with fresh wipes the sound of the mechanism and the sound of the 230 grain ball hitting the snail drum bullet trap drowned out the "pap" of the shot
You should try stainless steel scouring pads instead of the eyelets
Are the eyelets steel, aluminum or plated brass?
I think he said stainless steel.
Oh sweet
❤ cool
I’ve always thought it would be like an exhaust muffler!
I've always wondered about those...
Now you know.
Is that suppressor type specific to the firearm?
No, it was originally for an Ingram MAC10. he adapted the barrel nut on the micro Uzi so it would thread on.
I'm on my way!
Não sei se já faleceu, se sim minhas condolências, obrigado pelas informações, e descanse em paz.
Haven’t posted in a while, how’s the health going?
Man.. RIP
I was surprised the first time I handled one I thought it sounded like a Morocca
RIP Thanks.
I would like to see how you make a wipeless endcap for that silencer.
I have been thinking about it.
@@BWEFirearms do you know what the ATF policy is on wipes?
@@535tony…
if you are referring to a wipe as a resilient material that is located at the
muzzle end of the can…. a few years ago ATF classified wipes to be a
internal part of can… a replacement to be treated same as other internal
parts..
DEFUND the ‘Firearm Division’ from the “AT&E”.
Is neoprene rubber or plastic? You could cut rings out of just about any type of foam or rubber although rubber might melt less
@@luislongoria6621 The problem is ATF considers the wipes to be suppressor parts.
Good day