Mastering The 7 Planes Of Spiritual Development w/ Dr. John Churchill
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- Which of the seven levels of spiritual development have you unlocked? Dr. John Churchill has the deep codes of Tibetan Buddhist psychotechnology stretching all the way back to the first Buddha acknowledged to have exist 15,000 years ago!
One of these teachings is the seven fold path of initiation and development that sets a powerful map for understanding and advancing your developmental process. We also discuss the Bodhichitta heart seed that connects mystical lineages, what it means to include and transcend as we integrate our teachings on the spiritual path, and how to “get there by being there” as we develop our own forms of mastery along the seven initiatory levels we dive into throughout the conversation.
Holding a doctorate in psychology, John is deeply steeped in psycho-spiritual development, Integral Theory, contemplative studies, Western Esotericism, and has spent over thirty years training in the Indo-Tibetan Mahayana Buddhist lineage. John also stewards the Karuna Mandala Initiatory School (karunamandala.org), empowering spiritually grounded, socially conscious, and strategically savvy leadership and warriorship towards the planetary crises we are facing.
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Founder of Onnit and modern philosopher Aubrey Marcus asks the important questions: How do we find our purpose, wake up to who we truly are, have a few more laughs, and human being a little better?
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Its astonishing how much Aubrey interrupts the guest thought out the talk...its like he is more interested in talking then listening
John has ascended higher than Aubrey, so is it astonishing really? Aubrey states that he is not a learn-ed man and that he learns from everyone else. It seems like Aubrey is so excited to talk to John, that he doesn't care about the audience as much as he cares about his ascension path. John's got that ascended master level patience. the interview went exactly how it was intended.
@@brolop I'm sure it did, but holey crap, it's tough going...
maybe he was too subconsciously focused on his external validation than serving us the actual purpose of the podcast
churchhill did a podcast with andre duqum. he has a lot more self control in his interviews. im gonna watch that one.
It was very interesting but sadly John was not able to freely speak without interruption, that was super annoying
I am currently studying with John, and let me tell you it's a very wild ride. This way of meditating is really nothing like what I've come across and the fact that he binds together all of these different lines of thought, psychology especially, was exactly what I was looking for. Excited to take part in the second year and beyond.
Also, Aubrey, for god sakes, let the man finish his sentences and lay down your tangents. What I've noticed about John is that a lot of his teachings tend to be higher level in the sense that he only adds more general context as he talks. Give him enough space and he will explain fully what he is talking about. This was honestly one of the most frustrating podcasts I've ever had to get through.
Agreed!!
Aubrey's interjections were too much here. I still love John's insights and got a lot out of this podcast because I'd never heard some of these concepts framed this way before, but Aubrey cut him off too much. Are you studying with John in his online courses?
@@willzinc6137 He sure does
@@willzinc6137 Yes, as part of the Planetary Dharma course :) And the frames and perspectives on practise and whats going on the planet are a big part of why I joined. A lot of it is also influenced by integral theory and Spiral Dynamics given John's work with Ken Wilbur.
and also very expensive for us low grade slaves from sudamerica
Aubrey could master the initiation of letting his guests speak a full sentence without interruption
Yes.
I think both can, as the guest did plenty of interruptions himself. To be fair though as a host I think Aubrey was just trying to get the audience to understand the concept better, so it’s more excusable…
Came here to make this comment. Love the subject matter but Aubrey is forgetting that the purpose of an interview is to let the guest talk
@Eric-ux6io Yes, but the guest also has to expect questions and allow the host to finish on behalf of the viewer. There should be a balance between host and guest, especially given the message both of them are trying to convey. Peace ✌️
Aubrey is always interrupting his guests I can’t watch anymore
Great podcast…….please Let the guests talk and maybe not interrupt as often
Came here to say this 💯💯💯
Yes, ditto.
It's funny someone said this. I actually felt like the guest was interjecting quite frequently, as if his regular mode of conversation was to step right into someone else's expression, not necessarily out of disrespect. Thus, the host matches that way of communicating. I did find it a little annoying, but I noticed it more on the guest's side. I do find it interesting we are commenting on the methods of the conversation and not the actual content, which was pretty great.
God bless John and his patience. I can hear him focusing on his breath.
lol 😁
Side note, would love John to drop a course! As much as I enjoy Aubrey's tangents, would love the possibility to get a more concentrated format of John's teachings for those who can't study with him personally. Hope this is in the works for the future.
I agree, Aubrey didnt let him get any of his thoughts out! I wanted to hear much much more from John
I’d be willing to bet that if you’re interested in these teachings like I am, you’re already gleaning the wisdom from within.
His previous interview with John is more like that.
Agreed, but they both had SO much to say it became fight for words of two powerful Alfa kings! 😂
❤️ I'd love to hear more of John's wisdom and teachings 🤓♥️♥️♥️
Aubrey Marcus, I hope you are open to some constructive feedback. I resonate & appreciate the work that you're doing in the world & your offerings, AND I'm finding that often in your podcasts of late, and very much in this particular one, you are dominating the conversation.... often interrupting your guest which and including references and tangents that make it distracting & difficult to follow. I was looking forward to hearing about John's decades of work, but feel he had to fight to get each point across... I've had to give up out of frustration before an hour in. Maybe you could give your guests the floor, for the majority of the podcast, and just ask clarifying questions, and then do a separate video with your commentary perhaps with some conversation with them?
Agreed. This was hard to listen to. Maybe it was just that Aubrey was so excited at the conversation that he couldn't help himself, but it was frustrating.
@@famulu3794 also agree. I see excitement, and also some ego. but part of his personality and path so...
but how long will it take him to realize this, this is an issue can be immediately fixed@@ciimoon5661
Agreed. Nice suggestion too
11 mins in and already 4 commercial breaks.. this is truly testing my Buddhist non judgmental skills
17 mins and just got my 5th commercial interruption. So cool 👍
wow thats wacky. how come you don't use adblock tho?
@@nimimerkillinen simply because i don't know how to do that lol. also feel like it shouldn't be necessary.. I'm ok with ads - but be reasonable. I had to stop watching the episode because I was getting ads every 5 minutes and it totally killed the flow of the conversation. Worst part is - that's been a common theme lately on not only this channel but other channels as well. CZcams is slowly destroying itself imo (lol)
@@hemp4haters fair enough. i dont think YT is destroying itself but cheekily pushing the limit of what they can get away with and eventually people get used to it
@@hemp4haters Wow I cannot imagine living like that.. I've paid for CZcams premium for years now and it takes out all ads for 10 bucks a month. Not that I'm super into the idea of supporting CZcams but I just can't handle ads. And if they're as bad as you say I'm glad I do.
Viewer 9,969 ... and I'm a faith keeper for a Native American Tribe. I couldn't help but think there's a truth in these alignments. These vids are being of service. All of our support Aubrey.
The 3,6 and 9 synchronicities have been off the chain lately
@@michaeldarling33669they’ve been nuts.
@@michaeldarling33669 i just saw this comment and today is 9/6
Aubrey I say this with the greatest amount of love for you and your work! I have learned so much BUT for those of us who watch on 2x every time you speak over someone it makes it VERY difficult to hear. I’m sure it’s the excitement of the conversation, but PLEASE just let them finish first 🤣 again I love everything you put out. Please don’t take this the wrong way. So much love here too!! ❤❤❤ sorry guess he did it just as much as you 🤦♀️😂😂
Awesome. It would be nice that the guest would be allowed to talk . Thank you.
Favorite guest. Thanks for having John back. So much wisdom to unpack
🧡 I LOVE THIS GUY,, HIS EYES,, BEARD,, BEAUTIFUL NATURE...
Love his intelligence,, for love...
🧡 WHEN THE HEART THINKS & THE MIND FEELS, THE RIVER OF WISDOM FLOWS...😎
Thank you, dear Mystic Pisces! You have always been a beautiful soul and forever will be, Mr. Marcus! 😊
I wish this conversation was accompanied with a visual aid.
Came from Spotify to CZcams to see if there were any......obviously not.
This entire podcast has been pure gold! ❤
It made me feel so bad when he said "Can i speake to this?" Imagine being a guest & having to ask if you can get a word in.
Unbelievable talk! This shifted me in such deep ways, I was so ready to hear this talk, listening to it was transcending and fueling me in ways I have no words for. So much gratitude
Good conversation and extremely insightful but for all the people who have concerns in the comments just know this: Real masters do not go on podcasts they know that they are not the mainstays. Real masters are hidden and know they do not need to change the world but themselves.
Thanks for the great conversations you share with us
A lot of this went over my head but I can’t wait to revisit this down the road !
The timing!! I've been on a binge with these podcasts and have been loving it - Thank you!
I’m sure everyone that watched/listened to this felt the distraction through the interruptions in conversation. However I agree we need both contributions, and Aubrey is great at rephrasing things in such a way his audience understands to its full potential but we definitely needed more pauses or clear conclusions before jumping to the next point which the guest found difficult to do and I think Aubrey was trying provide that. Only this far in 35:28
Yeah i paused it a few times. I became agitated just listening to them talk over eachother at certain points.
Just some days ago I had an idea that You ought to have talked with Tenzin Wangyal Rinpocze - Bon teacher
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it is so heartwarming to be present to this discourse. it’s hard to find the right words-perhaps a comment is not even needed, and the energetic field of appreciation says it all.
I love how you expressed your gratitude, with your words! Brilliant ❤
informative and helpfull when ur trying to figure it all out , i am in deep , coming across information is soooooo helpful thank you ! love and light
According to Billy Carson (a.k.a. 4biddenknowledge) the Anunnaki put telemear caps on chromosome #2 of our DNA and shortened our life spans from 900 years to 120 years. He said they did a study at one of these big universities and took some mice and uncapped that chromosome and the mice lived 3 times there normal life span.
It might be a good choice for Aubrey to converse with Billy Carson.
Glad i watched this episode. Explains some things. I've experienced unusual things since childhood. If I'd known one person who had even a little of this information back then, I would have understood and could have been led to develop at least knowledge of what I was experiencing if not spiritual gifts. Im grateful to now be finding information I've sought for over 45 years.
Aubrey yes bro we know how spiritual and insightful you are, can you let the guest speak...
This was magical and gave me a big perspective to where I stand in this mental physical state
Love John and Aubrey but I wish Aubrey would allow John to talk more.
Aubrey keeps cutting John off. Love Aubrey but I really wanted to hear John finish his thoughts......
That verbal battle exchange was easily the funniest thing I’ve heard from a spiritual CZcams channel
What are you referring to?
Like 2 walrus banging their chests together to see who gets to finish their sentence!
😂 battle of the mansplanining
@@marshav.3354 Hahaha!
Amazing I was initIATED IN THE LINAGE OF THOMPA SHREN RE and have not been able to find anything about this! Thank you Carolina xoxo
Wow, that was good. It was awesome to hear that even though I may not be studying all these teachings on a personal level, I am being guided by my all-encompassing self through each phase. I love hearing the truth. What I hear even between the words lately is just so profound. Thanks for sharing all that you do.
I love how Aubrey M eyes sparkle when he talks , I feel like I’m seeing such a beautiful spirit so full of love for all of us ❤
That mischief kid look?
The last podcast with John was phenomenal. Looking forward to this one!
Ego = everything you have learnt "this " lifetime. It is really important to be here now. So this ego is very important. Ego is always looking for value...Outside of us through validation. Doesn't check with the heart. Most people are fight or flight. It's all cool. But to walk that ego down into the heart and breath.
Aubrey, I would love to hear Paul Selig and the Guides he channels talk about your understanding of the opponent… I partially agree with your view of the Resistance but my understanding from the Guides is that nothing is outside of God so I’d love to hear you and Paul address this dichotomy.
consider: the force that resists you = the intelligence that supports you.
I would love to incorporate more ceremony and deeper intention for all we do and exchange. I found each time I focus, it leads me to beautiful creations.
Aubrey and John, much love and thanks to you both! That was one of, if not the most enlightening discussions I have listened to and I have been journeying for quite some time.
Physical, emotional, and mental initiations are not linear. They are applied as each level is achieved. No single enlightened being treads the same path. However, all aspects must be completely developed
Wow wow wow Wow!. He Did It Again! Absolutely incredible. Favorite guest. So much to unpack here. Thank you both so much ☸️🪷🙏
ROYGBIV...Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, INDIGO, VIOLET.... sometimes they simplify and combine indigo & violet as Purple
Easy listening ty guys grateful
Thank you.
Today "sun" and "son" are pronounced the same according to IPA.
The electric universe paradigm explains, in my view, much more credibly, that the Sun is electric, as is everything. I learned this on The Thunderbolts Project channel on youtube.
I read, in a book on chemical elements - the periodic system - That the essential potassium in our bodies is in form of an isotope potassium-40, which radioactively decays all the time. As a naturopath I would only believe in beneficial effects of such radiation.
Respectfully
For some reason the light of the Full Moon gives me nightmares, negative or a aggressive psyche feeling when sleeping. . it's hard to explain, but on Full Moons I have to cover the window with a blackout curtain.
You must meditate on full moon nights and work on clearing and healing
Thank you for a very interesting interview on spiritual philosophy. Mazzal Tov ! Best Wishes !
The biological environment shifted (from Titans, Giants and long living humans……shifting to smaller and smaller sizes and smaller life spans). This happened when we went from the vapor canopy to our current environment (about 5000 bc). For details on this please research the work of Jason Breashers of Archaix.
Funny how many comments feel like the synergy was an interruption. I thrive on their active synergy, completing eachother’s sentences and free styling the Kabbalah meets Planetary Dharma parallels. Don’t resonate with the word ‘Kingdom’ as where we’re headed as it doesn’t evoke a kingdom of kings, which is a different thing and needs a better word. But also I think the hive mycelial intelligence of complex systems is the tone of new relational ecologies. What are better words for those worlds our heart know are possible?
I valued the interuptions.. as in was a conversation.. and a lot of Aubreys relating and and interjections.. gave for comparisons and chance for john to highlight differences ... of experi3nce and embodiment ... all viatally important for some of us... im quite versed at the study of the seven layers ... as im moving through the 4th level ... the causal body... so aubreys questions and ponderings were great for me in understanding the struggles in defining ... moving through 4th to 5th then swinging back into 3rd dimensional embodiment! ... which is actually what sooo many of us are going theough on the planet... which can be confusing to some... well done Aubrey.. thankyou for your positive input... after all its not meant to be a one man l3cture!! We all need a little more pati3nce and tolleranc3 here it seems!! ❤🎉😂😊
Excelent men Excellent
I know you have seen or heard that many arts and schools in the past throughout time have discovered certain unique numbers, sequences and patterns that are useful, but I don't think you are giving this enough significance. While watching something about this on Gaia TV about secret numbers I learned that they are inline with and they match the patterns between the planets size and movement in the solar system. So many things I would love to comment on from your discussion and I am only 45 minute into it, but this is screaming at me: when you talk about the energy of the sun I think you need to repeat this sentiment in layman's terms all the time and connect it to our everyday experience and everyday knowledge of today's science. What am I talking about? The solar system preceded all of the evolution of biology on earth, so everything we know including physics, since physics is studied through the lens of an organism that evolved on earth, has the clockwork of the solar system built into it because that is the environment it evolved within. So these numbers are in all biology including ourselves. This is why there is an imperial system. The increments the imperial system evolved out of old numerology that was useful representation of life on earth. I think you should be asking what is the metric system and how is it useful in a different way from numerology that humans have found useful since they discovered numbers. I also think you should consider that some of the numerology may be so powerful that we now have an aversion to it, and you should be working to get everyone else working against that aversion. Numerology probably was used to make false promises so many times and lead to so many abuses of power that we can't put faith in numerology anymore, but what if we are ready. What if we need to prepare ourselves to be ready. Do you see what I mean? For example, if we reveal some secrets right now, then someone is going to win the stock market and destabilize the economy, but fate stops us from letting that happen. But the closer we get to security that stems from mulit-polar systems, the closer we get to trusting the numerology because letting people know about it no longer has fatal consequences, or at least fewer, and fewer, and fewer, and so on, ad infinitum. Do you see what I mean? You are experiencing an aversion to the old numerology as you read what I write, and it is the same aversion that is in all of us everywhere for good reason, and because of the age of reason. But post "age of reason," it would make sense that our aversion starts to lessen and we help each other do so. So far we have begun to talk about our aversion to God, but next we start to talk about our aversion to this. It is the next step, logically. The big significance i believe is that it's possible to offer people a scientific foundation for spiritual growth and experiences that includes numerology but doesn't require belief in God, and I don't think we have been able to offer this to humanity in our history until this now. Why is this required? Well we had to take God out of government, and so we need to do the same for spirituality and/or education. Where does God remain? I don't know right now, maybe culture.
Thank you!
🙏🏻First of all, thanks and appreciation to Aubrey for bringing this very insightful and helpful talk to those of us who seeks these spiritual knowledge and to John Churchill for generously sharing his in depth understanding and profound insights into the subject he is passionate about and well versed in.
It is indeed a very interesting topic with much in-depth revelations into the Rabbit hole.
Unfortunately too much cutting off from both sides had disturb the flow for us listeners, there’s a mirroring in between interviewer’s and speaker’s energies, to be fair there’s cutting off and not having enough “You are another Me” consciousness to hold space for one another and not being patient enough(i.e. rushing in to get their points; views etc across) to the other allowing enough space and time to finish off what they want to share to the people interested in the subject, which is inconsiderate and disrespectful towards their viewers/listeners from and on both sides.
Good bad aside, All in all, a very good reflection and introspection for all of us(which is ONE) to learn from; integrate with and transcend from this plain of duality unconsciousness to Unity Consciousness.
Excellent interview.
The rainbow 🌈 analogy is very interesting to me, for one I’ve been using this recently myself to describe the inner chakras, the various frequencies of each…but for anyone who has seen Jesus or other masters in vision, I’m sure many would attest to seeing him/them in a golden light. The (pot of gold) light at the end of the rainbow. The god head.. highest source of light
we are gods of light 🙏🏼🙏🏼⭐⭐
Every time I go astral traveling, I come back to stumble on one of your interviews that perfectly articulates the trip I’ve just had and explains the download I’ve just received… thank you for resonating with the same Flow…. We Are One 🌞🙏✨🌈💙🌀🌞
Great talk, Man this was hard to listen too. "that's right" 489 times. Just be quiet and let each other speak. They felt so excited they were over talking each other. I have will try again thank you for the podcast
..and "actually"
Fav episode 2nd time watching it
9 minutes in and my agitation became apparent 😂… as much as I love great knowledge… I thought Aubrey you had a guest on your show who was sharing his knowledge…
It’s very self indulgent.
Who’s gonna be writing this book ? ❤❤❤ 🙏🏽
To answer your question about the seven colors associated with the chakras.. the red comes back at the top to symbolize embodying the God energy while still in the physical body… it’s like being reborn but this time with all the knowledge…
This one right here....man....very dope.
As other folks commented I would have loved to hear John speak more. Aubrey just kept talking over John, made the interview hard to watch for me. Learning to be a better interviewer means to actually listen to and tease out the nuances from the guest, rather than telling your own stories. Rogan is a master at that, just let the guests speak and ask good questions.
Hmmn I’m trying so hard to understand what this man is saying, but 40 minutes in and I feel like I’m eavesdropping on a conversation between two guys in a cafe!
It would have been nice for this ‘interview’ to have allowed John to impart his wisdom for the less - initiated viewer/listener like myself.
Sadly, here, Aubrey seems to have forgotten that some of us are here to learn what the guest has to say and not to hear how much the host knows about the subject 😏
Once we innerstand Oneness with the Creator/Self/The Abolute, that everything in creation is made of the same cosmic consciousness that is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, that the whole of creation is the individual component of the whole/ummanifest, then all discussions cease...Until then keep seeking and discussing. That's why the ascended/enlightened ones only meditated and did not involve themselves in discussions. They purify the world by the manner in which they conduct themselves. Aum.🙏
One day we will exchange beads my brother!!!! Mad love to both of you:)
Amazing wisdom here, thank you. I wish the guest could have let Aubrey finish his thoughts, as Aubrey’s responses seem to help us clarify and understand what the guest was trying to say.
Interesting. I struggle with the way Aubrey keeps hijacking the conversation midsentence. With all guests.. However this was still an exceptional conversation
Aubrey set the tone of interruption, over time the guest seem to get frustrated and then interject over Aubrey to finish his thoughts.. don't need clarity in the middle of a thought Aubrey, let the guest finish... lol
Vipassana leads to the truth 🙏
Funny as fucking hell😂. So love listening to you both. I'm so glad i listened to this podcast.
I so enjoyed this interview! Thank you Aubrey and team for making this happen! Starting second listen because this was a meaty one 🥩
This sounds similar to the channeled teachings of ‘The Law of One’.
Really interested but super hard to follow as the guest wasn't able to freely share wisdom without him interruption.
I recently found this videos thanks for the deep insight to the bigger picture of life. I have all ways felt my inner warriors wants to fight for the better world!!!
Thank you for feeding the fruit, peeled and piece by piece Aubrey, i relate, i' am engage watching, i feel connected, i feel represented, i feel united❤💛💚🙏
As above so below!
My gut tells me that everyone takes a different order to the path based on their gifts they came here with. For instance, it was though meditation that I became inspired to clean my dieta and really place focus on the physical. like its a color wheel instead of staircase.
The Toltecs (south & central American cultures) & the Aryans (Middle eastern peoples & those of the Indian subcontinent), and Celts/norse are the remnants of Atlantean survivors and the seeds of the sub race that we are now.
Eastern & South East Asian along with their native North American natives are survivors of the prior root race in Mu.
how can you be so sure
Really ancient esoteric teaching, transcending mainstream Buddhism, this sounds interesting.
Ideally I would have liked to have had the opportunity to view the chart Aubry was looking at? 💁🏽♂️
There is so much here!
Anyway, to break this down into 25 episodes or so?
very scientific, i learned a little something
The ‘purple’ is bluey/-purple called Indugo; and then Violet is the more pure purple
Another fantastic podcast! Thanks Aubrey!
In Aubreys defense, I think he was just very exciting about these specific topics. This is not his normal podcast vibe. Felt more like a conversation that in interview which is totally allowed. Great energy and knowledge being. exchanged.
Fascinating conversation and I draw some inspiration from certain points, thank you. I also feel pulled to the remembrance within, all answers within, and sometimes the seeking and doing and stuff and fluff and money and things seems unnessesary at the same time. I continue to look back to Native American ways as well, the simplicity and nature stillness, and quietness, out of the spot light and the role of women in their communities. This life is a trip. So many ways..
"The world our hearts know is possible."
#freegiga
How can we hear more of Dr. John Churchill? Does he have a book? I was trying to follow what he was saying but it was a bit chaotic.😂
only if there were a way to find out
becoming buddha, it’s a very simple book. more to come out soon!
@trinitymatrea I'm looking forward to reading it, thank you so much! xoxo
@@trinitymatrea 💜💜💜
Wish you’d guys’d let eachother speak.
From what I saw the guest over time started to interject over Aubrey to finish his original incomplete thoughts after Aubrey initially interrupted him over and over
This is the best conversation i have witnessed. ❤🎉 Part 2 please
We are light energy beings, made in the image of our creator, and placed into temples of flesh. We were before we were placed into these temples, and we will continue on after these temples are done. The body is made from earth and water. So, earth, water, and light is our trinity of being in this realm. The body connects our light energy selves to the material.
I been saying for years I’m a Plant. Very interesting conversation. 🙏🏻
Lol, read 'pyrotechnology'. Heart Fire!
Right on.
This amethyst piece on the wall is really welcoming/summoning wellbeing. What is it? Who created it?
Rainbow 🌈 is Infinite colors; spectrum.
Yes ... Rainbow is the visible spectrum of Light=Energy....
These vows Aubrey - 1:38 min - WOW. That really spoke to my heart. This is exacly how I wish to relate to others. Beautiful, such an inspiration!🙏
Yes 💜
3:33 PM Auv 6 2:06:37 This is the level which resonates with...the kingdom of God.
Wisdom and knowledge is totally different. John is Wisdom❤
Fist, I'd like to say well done guys ,I synced with what just happened at 1:09 my experience and feeling is that we are a refract of the rainbow and the actual raindow is backwards and based on once mastery that perception of the rainbow aka astral knowledge im which i agree i can fight and sex magic and atleast half way in shape plus mental awareness and empathic intuitive love or agape cultivated or working of life waters basically gets you access to possible entities based on old stargate play from uk who anyways ,Manifest pleidies i say , Saturn is Saturn but we are interplanitary play
The song of the bride and the bridegroom.
Yes the Vedic full Brahman means Vishnu+Lakshmi....personalized....Union..