I Played Against USA's Youth National Champion
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- Seth Pech VS Darryl Tsao US OPEN 2022 U2600 Event
My Equipment
I use Tibhar VS Unlimited Blade with Tibhar K3 on both forehand and backhand. You can find and buy the equipment I use here www.paddlepalace.com/
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The Omega is my favorite, Super easy to use and endless training options
Chapters
00:00 Opening Point
00:20 Match Start
07:32 After Match Instructional - Sport
never stop making these videos bro u r one of the best table tennis strategy CZcamsrs and have quite entertaining videos
Thank you! I’m glad you think so I will try to keep up with them 👍
Really enjoy your match videos/breakdowns, keep them coming!
awesome video. thanks for the in depth analysis and instructional tips afterwards. top tier content
Great video! I really enjoy your commentary on the match, and I think you do an excellent job of breaking down specific plays. However, I think it would be even more helpful if you could incorporate more visual aids. For example, if you could point out specific points on the video that correspond to what you are discussing, that would be really helpful for the viewer. You're already showing the match point by point, so it would be great if you could also provide more detail about what the viewer is seeing at each point. I understand that you may be commentating without access to the footage you're using, but it could be worth considering incorporating some visual aids into your commentary. Thanks for sharing your content with us!
I agree, sometimes I'm a bit disoriented when what's happening on screen doesn't align with the audio.
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it, a little ways back I started listing the tactics and things I talked about with time stamps in the description. so you could click them and watch the points I was referring to when I spoke about it. I should bring that back. Im worried that if I chop up the match and make it more of a breakdown it will lose its flow and people who view the match point by point will lose their enjoyment. Im also worried if I extend the video and point out each point after the video will go way to long. I think my best option is the timestamps in the description. Again thank you for the feedback Im always trying to improve the viewer experience.
@@PechPongTT Thanks for your response! I think incorporating timestamps in the description is a great idea. That way, viewers who are interested in a particular point can easily find it without interrupting the flow of the match. I understand your concern about losing the flow of the match, but I think providing a bit more detail and context for specific points could actually enhance the viewer experience. Perhaps you could try pointing out a few key points during the match and then provide more detailed analysis in the timestamps. Alternatively, you could consider creating a separate video that focuses solely on breaking down a collection of matches, where you show principles based on real moments of your games. Overall, I think you're doing a great job and I appreciate your dedication to improving the viewer experience.
Thanks for posting again @Seth! Great to see new videos!
Yes I finally got around to it again!
Thanks for sharing Seth, great stuff as always. Totally agree that you had more success with your backhand than what you felt during the match. I would go as far as to say that trying to get more forehands increased the feeling of being pressured by Daryl instead of alleviating it. He plays super close to the table with a lot of pace, and with the extra time needed for you to pivot, as well as the somewhat longer forehand stroke compared to backhand, you ended hitting many of your forehands pretty low and far from the table, which gave Daryl time to be well positioned for blocking and counter-attacking. TBH not sure sticking to the backhand would have changed the outcome of the match, Daryl was pretty impressive all around, no real weakness and very consistent. Thanks as well for the receiving tips, receive is really the part of the game I struggle the most with and those tips are super helpful.
Hey Seth! This was an awesome video, thanks for all the instructional videos you have made over the years, it really does help players like me who are trying to play properly with the right technique and correcting the wrong ones they have learned in the past. On that note, i wonder, would you be interested in making a video about "grip"- how to hold the racket, how you hold it and why, how maybe some other top players hold it and whats similar in your and theirs grip, how did your grip evolved over time and why. A video in depth going into specifics like what does your thumb do when you play forehand vs backhand, whats the pressure point on your thumb that you push against the racket to have a firm reliable grip and precision in strokes, what does your forefinger do when playing forehand, do you focus solely on the forefinger when doing forehands, does it drive the racket and stroke, or do you focus also on pressuring your thumb on the other side etc..? I understand this might be a very beginner aspect thats not that interesting to make video about, especially for you, but ive noticed this gets skipped over a lot and i think its quite essential to understand the super basic and in my opinion crucial techniques to even start progressing in table tennis. Ive noticed you have a very "beautiful" style of table tennis which allows you to make perfect topspins/loops/attack openings and so on with so much flexibility and repeatability with a lot of precision and stability and i think it has to do a lot with the table tennis grip( among the dozens of other things if course). Im getting back into playing after lot of years again and im generally struggling with this grip thing, im trying to study it and ive changed the grips over the past couple of months a few times already but nothing seems to stick really and its also hard to study from others cause loads of amateur players have a "wrong" non standard grip and they dont really care much. Ive tried to learn something from training videos and photos of fan zhendong, ma long, wang chuqin etc but sometimes it leaves me even more confused as urs hard to understand how for example their thumb is holding the racket even in deep topspins as it seems to be positioned in the first half if the racket complerely stetched and not even touching the rubbers, while other times its positioned on top of the handle on that dedicated spot, sometimes going over it and being pressed against the rubber and thats all just in forehand topspin/loop..basically i think its quite complex thing to disect and you seem usually very good in these technical deep dives while you yourself are having similar more loose grip and obviously rockin it since your moves look awesome and efficient in matches. Anyway, this would help me and i bet other people a ton, coming from pro player with actual skill and right amount if aggresivness in play who can obviously do it correctly. Thanks a lot!!!
I wonder if you have figured the grip, i am also interested in knowing the optimal grip..
Great video. I like the match breakdown then the tip bonus. Nice work!
Thank you! glad you enjoyed it, ill keep them coming!
A very helpful advice on returning sidespin serves. Thanks Seth!
Glad yo help!
Nice match breakdown. Thanks for the video!
Thank you!
Excellent tip on receiving a side spin serve. Thank you for your insight!
Yea of course glad to help!
great video again. thanks for those helpful tipps!
No problem! glad you enjoyed :)
As always Awsome. Many thanks.
of course! glad you enjoy it
Hi Seth, excellent analysis. Thanks for sharing
no problem glad you enjoyed the video!
You've got a really nice Kiyonobu Iwasaki style big forehand when you're in position, your matches are really to fun to watch and your instructionals and tutorials are really helpful too. I only found your channel recently but it's a gem!
Glad you like the channel, my game has and is a work in progress
Very good video, nice match. Thanks for sharing.
Perfect analysis. Thanks
Thank you!
Thanks, Seth. Great video!
Thanks!
Just a few days ago I was having problems receiving side-spin serves, and here you are with your tips :)
Glad I could offer some insights!
I had a front row seat for this match and it was great to see it again and catch everything that I missed live, augmented by your analysis. Darryl really used his blocking very intelligently. The tip on returning sidespin serves by hitting the side of the ball is MONEY. Keep up the great work!
I wish I could have brought it to a fifth game and seen what would happen but it wasn’t meant to be I guess. Next time :) glad you found the instructional at the end helpful!
Thanks for the great video !
I remember you serve tips video you explained about going with the spin and against the spin. I have mostly trouble against side/top serve I want to keep the ball low so I tried using going with the spin mainly. Do you also suggest contacting the side of the ball when you stroke with the spin direction or only when you go against (which is what you said in this video)
Awesome video as always Seth, btw a quick question, can you maybe create a video about how you train with your robot or like the drills you do in one training session with it, I think it will help a lot of us, thanks!
Yes I can I’m working on that one
@@PechPongTT Awesome thanks!
So glad you're making videos ago! Do you plan on posting any more purely instructional videos? How about tips and tricks for utilizing a robot for training? You also made another really good serve strategy video. Any updates since then?
Hello! Yes I am planning on putting out more purely instructional videos, im planning a robot video here soon 👍
Hi Seth, nice video again, I liked the they you used the depth of your legs when looping with your forehand to make space for your arms and to get a better angle on the balls rotation. Squatting like that is so demanding phisically but also very rewarding!
Since your using K3s: Have you heard about Tibhars new Hybrid MK rubber?
I have heard about the new rubbers! I kinda am curious to try them but Im very happy with my K3 and Its taken me months to really dial them in and dont see any reason to change. I am interested to feel them though.
thanks for uploading :)
Of course!
And now we get 2 videos one after another.. awesome :D
A rare thing! Hopefully I can keep this going 😃
Nice match, you have some crazy fast footwork!
Thank you, yes I make up for a lot of mistakes with my feet haha
Very good analysis
Thanks!
Wow! Tough match!
I love the B rolls!!!
Nice to see you keeping up with CZcams and being successful man! Hopefully someday I’ll get to where you are 😂
Hey man!! Yeah I guess just keep on keeping on that’s the name of the game.
Can 100% recommend your serve return tipps. Thats how i always do it and its a pretty save way with a lot of placement control especially for side or side+under serves that are short. This technique is the main reason why i am good at serve returns. With topspin mixed in i find it a little harder to do because they also tend to go longer and easier to attack.
Same here. I find it difficult when the opponent constantly changes from side/back to side/top.
Yes the side topspin is the tough one, which is why its the most common serve in TT at the high levels. just have to see it quickly and make a great push or work hard on your flips, I personally like to backhand flip whenever I can but tournament match play can be tough especially when you missed a few flips then pushing starts to look really attractive!
I love these match review 😊 😃
I’m glad you like them! I will make sure to do more!
When it comes to performing the service you go a step back. Your opponent never did and he always went to the side. The problem with going a step back (even though one is used to playing away from the table and believes that this is the best way to play and win) is that AS SOON AS YOU FINISH SERVING, YOU ARE ALREADY PLAYING DEFENSIVE (no matter how many topspins one executes) and also leaves the opponent much more angle of play so that they can easily push you away from the table. If the opponent knows how to play with good technique and strategy, one is already one step closer to losing the match. The other thing to improve is the way you move. You take a lot of unnecessary steps (perhaps lack of reading your opponent's body language) and you ran across the ENTIRE field of play (your opponent's credit). Your opponent played close to the table, easily anticipating where the ball was going to bounce and-by comparison- barely had to move. As the game progresses, such a run results in muscle fatigue and your attempts to attack the balls become increasingly inconsistent as you cannot position yourself early enough. / The solution would be to get used to playing close to the table, on an imaginary line parallel to the bottom line of the table. / You also play very crouched and let the ball drop too much to topspin, so much so that sometimes your knees are close to touching the floor and it also makes you have to swing your arm extremely on the forehand topspin. You must get used to hitting the ball - at most - at the height of the net. You would generate more speed with less arm movement, avoiding excessive fatigue in the arm, in your legs and giving yourself more time to attack the next ball.
Hey Seth, Nice Match!
I'm Visiting Panama in April. Is there any clubs you recommend?
Should I also touch the side of the ball on reverse pendulum serve comming to my forehand and pendulum comming to my backhand? I mean to use the same principle, but with a more unnatural wrist position - or maybe I should do something else to keep it short?
Yeah thats an entirely different receive. I would recommend watching my tips they dont tell you videos on serve receives, I cover it in there. :)
Do you prefer using a straight or flared handle? What are the pros and cons for each? Thanks
Good content again
Thank you :)
the tip at the end is golden
Glad you think so it helped me a lot!
@PechPong TT Have you ever tried playing DHS Hurricane 3 on your forehand and if so, what did you think about it?
Hello, I felt it was a nice rubber, many things I could do with it that I could not with other rubbers, ultimately I had to decide not to use it because in order to get enough speed out of it I would swing very hard and end up injuring myself over a month or so of heavy practice. its very good for counterlooping and destroying underspin loops. touch game is also very nice over the table because the rubber is not so bouncy. I have found a nice happy medium with the new Hybrid rubber K3 though. Dignics 09c is also a good option in my opinion
Hey Seth :) Very nice and informative video as always. What I wanted to ask about serves: You are always talking about only sidespin serves. But I think no serve can be just sidespin, can it? Because it always has to be mixed with back - or topspin. I think the sidespin can be dominant in a serve, but I dont think it is possible to ONLY serve sidespin. Correct me if I´m wrong :)
I'd say it is very possible. If you want to get technical, I don't think any serve will be 100% top/back/side spin relative to the players. However things are close enough that we can perceive them to be that way. (ex: in a fh to fh warm up, it won't be 100% topspin, but is close enough that it doesn't effect play). I think the same is true with side spin, it will never be 100%, but I believe that is possible to get very close.
Hello, in the tutorial I tried to cover a lot of ground quickly so much has to be inferred, I talked briefly about being able to adjust the racket angle to accommodate side under or side top. @martin L. makes a good point many times I perceive a sidespin and a slight top as the same ball and can touch them pretty much the same to get a desired result. only when the opponent does a heavy top do I have to start to think about really changing my angles and receives.
Great video. It does look like you had good success with amazing backhand shots and missed quite a few forehand ones. Tough opponent. Good lesson 😊
Yes he was a strong opponent. I will try to do better next time I play an opponent like him.
@@PechPongTT That sounds like a threat, not a promise! Either would do 😁
@@sashazxtt I promise you, I will put the fear in my opponents eyes next time I play a player like him.
@@PechPongTT That's the attitude, soldier! (that's a quote from the Universal Soldier movie) :)
@@sashazxtt haha that’s cool! Sounds like a good movie!
4:48 I never really understood how people make that reverse pendulum serve go so short and wide to the forehand. is it easier to do when you use gear that high level players use (faster, harder rubbers, thinner rubbers etc.)?
Hi pech just wanted to know that why dont you use butterfly rubbers like tenergy or dignics?
Is it due to price durability or sponsor?
I enjoyed using dignics 09c on my viscaria for a while. I am sponsored by PaddlePalace who does not give me butterfly equipment. I was looking for a blade faster than viscaria and found that with the VS Unlimited blade which I really really enjoy playing with. the K3 rubbers from Tibhar are very similar to dignics and I get them from my sponsor, I found the hold time is longer with the K3 which is really great for counterlooping. All in all I dont think you can go wrong in either direction.
Hello there. Thanks for the advice on returning side spin serves. I'm always interested in tips regarding serve return options and techniques, which is a topic often neglected. Regarding the match analysis, I must say that it's quite difficult to follow what you're saying while watching the game, as what you're talking about is not necessarily what we see at that moment. I feel like I should listen to all of it, try to remember it, and then watch the game. It's certainly a lot of work, and I'm not complaining about anything, but I think it would be more efficient to let people watch the game with limited comments, or just general comments, and then do the analysis with two or three points from the match illustrating each aspect. Again, thanks a lot.
Hello, yes I have run into this problem very early when I started doing commentary I can understand the frustration as a viewer to not see on screen what I am speaking about linking up. On the other hand people want to consume videos in 7-10 minutes or else its too long. Many people like the idea that I speak from my experience and feelings of the match. And others also just mute me and watch the points more or less haha.
Thank you for the feedback I will actively try to put a better presentation in future videos.
Nice note on the match.
I feel you are playing a rally game more than 3rd or fifth ball attack. You getting far from the table and your opponent is closer giving him faster tempo than yours. Hence putting you on disadvantage.
Wouldn't tension rubber be suitable for your play style than Hybrid k3 because the bal would be faster?
Hello thank you for the input! your right I did get a bit too far back in this match giving him more time and me less. I have thought about playing with tensor rubber to gain speed, the problem with me and that is I have a unique feeling that spin gives me control and tensor rubber was not giving me as much as hybrid and so I feel I can be more aggressive with the hybrid rubbers due to the perceived control I have. When I tried the hybrid rubbers for the first time I felt this was a rubber that should have been made a long time ago.
Thanks for the input I will try to stay closer with opponents like him
Daym, that's a strong opponent.
I have a weakness, where I'm taking the ball too late, i.e. at the top of the bounce, or later. I end up moving further and further from the table, but my opponents are able to catch the ball earlier and hit it flat and fast very quickly off the bounce, and make me run around. Is this just something I need to train for in multiball training? i.e. to see and predict the bounce and try to hit it earlier. Whats the training method to catch the ball earlier, just repetition?
Yanno thats a good question, I would say staying closer and taking it earlier is harder and scarier to do you sometimes need more spin quality to put pressure on your opponent. I would say doing multiball training and doing drills where you try and stay closer and take it more off the bounce will help. If you get a return board that I have mentioned in my videos this has improved my ability to take the ball off the bounce dramatically so theres that too.
Would you recommend a similar tactic against the same serves if they're long?
I would try to loop long serves as much as possible but if you have touch to play them short or medium long it can be disorienting for the opponent.
Hi, please note that in this match your opponent almost does not move away from the table while you often move away and thereby give an advantage to the opponent
Hello Everyone. Kick serves normally make the ball jump upwards and forwards so that the receiver either miss or touch the ball at their racker edge. Do you have any experience to deal with kick serve? Should we touch the ball early, right as soon as it bounces on the table? Or wait till it drops? Appreciate your sharing. Thank you.
100% early and don’t worry about spinning it so much you can go over the ball or even punch it.
@@PechPongTT Hi Seth. Thank you for your tip. I’ll try it.
@@ngoctuyetlethi3634 it will work 😉
@@PechPongTT Seth, When I serve dead ball to the long pip player, what type of spin do I receive?
@@ngoctuyetlethi3634 dead back it can vary depending on the kind of long pips but it’s going to be close to dead.
What about always going to the side of the ball, even against pure underspin?
You could, you would probably have to get under it and lift it, so its an option.
My legs just stay glued in the mat and I suffer a lot to move them. Can you suggest some ways or exercises so that I can make my leg movement swift and fast?
Developing leg movement has a lot to do with age, weight and athletic ability. That being said moving does not start all of the sudden it one of those things that you must work at in simple easy conditions to build up to game speed. for my students I usually feed them higher slow balls around the table from a good distance and they try to use only forehand, and slowly we speed the balls up moving them wider and faster from less distance. you can simulate this with a robot all you need to do is set the robot further away from the table than normal. hope this gets you started.
@@PechPongTT Thanks a lot bro.
hello seth what kind of shoes you are wearing ?
So little time is spent on serve receive in USA. You will see guys hitting those forehands to no ends but you hardly see serves and serves receive practice. One needs to just watch those world class [layers receive. Some incredible skills the have and they still misread few. Still that missed receive is not because they do not know how. If they see it their receive is always such high quality. Incredible control. They must pend couple minutes on practice that part of the game. Or hours They make it look easy. Under rated among USA players.
Yes I agree! More time spent on serve receive. When I went to Eslov Sweden to train a few times I was encouraged, players were there before practice working on serve and serve receive and then in practice many drills incorporated serve receive. I think it’s important to make it a habit to practice these aspects.
@@PechPongTT You need to have someone who really can serve. I spent hours to do serves on my own. People do not show up{-:. So now i know how to serve and can give you run for your money but my receive suck. I am taking your advice on side touch of the ball though. I immediately watched some matches and now I see it. Thanks for the tip..
Please do a video on how to play against short pips player.
This would be a good video, I have some troubles playing with short pips players but I also have some insights on it as well.
why don't you make serves tutorials like for example the kick serve
My kid (11 yo girl) plays her first competition at the end of the month. Good fast player (3 years pt training); Any advice?
Have fun :) you’ll never get another first so record it document it and enjoy the whole thing win or lose
@@PechPongTT Bingo; "Have fun". Train to win, and relax for matches.
@@republicjohn999 yes I feel when I’m playing my best in tournaments I’m going hunting and my opponents better watch out! For me trying my best fighting for every point, trying to solve problems is fun so I try to have “fun”
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If it's US open then who did count scores? Where is the judge?
Our minds!! Haha there were hundreds of people there it’s hard to hire that many umpires at these kind of events
only for the big matches at the end such as quarter, semi, and grand finals.
@@chimyshark yea they do that this was out of the brackets single elimination. I think 3 more rounds to the finals
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I am a big fan
Thanks! Glad yo hear it :) :)