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AI Is Ruining The Internet | Asmongold Reacts
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
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we purposely trained the A.I. wrong as a joke
Legend
explains the squeaky shoes.
nice one wimp-lo
master tang
wee-oooo
The Vocaloid rant was so dumb it hurts my head. Vocaloids aren't AI. They're voice synthesizers - a person still has to write the music, write the lyrics, program the AI to sing it correctly and then compose it all together.
It's not AI.
its the first rare L for asmon but only cause he probably has never interacted with the vocaloids like hatsune miku
@@Chemical_X13I’m just glad so many other people are commenting what I thought, I usually agree with 95% of what he says or at least see where he’s coming from but this one made no sense lol
As a hobbyists producer, that rant was really destroying my soul. But I get it, there used to be jokes about edm being "easy to make" soulless music that can be made with a press of a button and those people will never care about how deep the art can go. But it is a bit funny to me seeing it has come around full circle hearing what AI can do with classical, rock or jazz.
tbh i dont blame Asmon for not knowing it, that music its so shit that its hard to believe its not AI
"well why would i care" a real only my opinion matters arguement
“There’s no point in trying to ever evolve ourselves and our society into something better if a lot of people, myself included, are pieces of shit who will always act out of self-interest. Why ever try for anything? Just let bad stuff happen.”
What a shocking aversion to progress coming from a guy clearly so committed to self-improvement.
He doesn't understand that regulation, tariffs, and sanctions can all be used to counteract the negativity that comes with the progress of AI. A lot of normal people would happily purchase goods produced via slave labor if it meant saving money. The reason why most products are not produced this way is due to regulation. If the US Government wanted to they could push things further by putting heavy tariffs on goods currently produced using slave labor (like phones), could outright ban the products from sale and possession in the US making it harder for normal people to acquire them and get service for them, they could make use of sanctions to curb the behavior of countries that currently use slave labor, etc.
TL;DR- He mistakes the fact that we haven't currently done anything for us being unable to do anything. The average population will begin to care more and more about AI as it takes over more job sectors and pushes more of them into unemployment.
That’s his depression talking.
It's hard to think of an opinion I have ever heard from anyone that was so factually right, but so morally bankrupt. The man's too nihilistic to breathe.
🤔
As an AI Engineer as well as a massive Vocaloid fan,
1:11:40 is an incredibly factually incorrect take.
Vocaloid is a genre of music that uses a type of digital instrument much like jazz or rock. The entire process of creating a vocaloid song involves 0% machine learning (or AI, whatever you want to call it) and it is 100% man-made.
Now you can use AI to create vocaloid music, but that's literally exactly how you can use AI to create Jazz music. Just like the latter doesn't make "Jazz == AI", the former doesn't make "vocaloid == AI" either.
thank you for this! I was going to comment on this video as a musician that uses vocal synthesizers myself.
I still have to write the lyrics and the music. The vocal instrument (because that's what it is, it's the same as a guitar or violin) then sings what I've written. There is an AI inside the vocal instrument itself that helps the melody flow like a real human voice, but I still have to bust my ass to write the music in the first place. Asmon's take is so incorrect.
as an FL studio hobbyist, i was like 'wtf is bro talking about rn' lol
calling a vocaloid an AI is like saying an electric instrument is AI. i feel like people are just spamming the AI buzzword now. anything electronic = AI lmao. asmon has some really cooked takes this vid.
word!
Some one give this man a pack of his favorite cookies or sweet treats for spreading the truth!
People who mock dead internet theory have never tried advertising on social media.
People that belive in that probably also believe that the earth is flat...
Who the fuck intentionally clicks on an ad tho
Wait a lil confused why does that support the theory?
@@unlisted9494enough people to make google $300 billion per year
@@bang9088 im betting bots follow all ads
In cyberpunk, the old net was destroyed by rogue AIs and it had to be quarantined off.
The upside is one of those AIs is a replica of Keanu Reeves and you get to have a terminally fun friendship adventure!
BLACKWALL CONFIRMED!?
The government is going to do that and claim ai so they can provide their censored and monitored version of the internet just wait
@@ulrickts thats...not how the game went though. silverhand wasnt beyond the blackwall, he was an ai replica stored in the soulkiller chip.
@@DarthZ01 Not beyond the blackwall, but he was an AI fren.
Bro just said Vocaloid is Artificial Intelligence.
Asmon, it's literally just an instrument, it's not AI.
Yeah the way he said it, would mean that all of Electronic music is also AI music (EDM, Trap, House, Dubstep, etc.)
yeah dont mind him, his pineal gland is calcified 😂
@@CreativeSpectrumm while your 5th eye is open
It's an instrument that replaces human singing, that's the point. AI is going to be able to replace something that was once human made, that's the point.
Asmon misspoke about vocaloid music. Vocaloid is a brush for a human made painting. Until AI uses it to make its own painting or make its own vocaloid it is not AI.
@@redpotates even then, it's not ai. Vocaloids are just the voices of singers (Hatsune Mikus voice is Saki Fujita)
They hire the singers to basically sing every possible sound you might need to compose vocals, and the voicebank does the work of stringing it together into words and such, but even that is controlled by the person using the program, who choose how to arrange those sounds themselves
yeahhhhh the only thing a.i has to do with vocaloid is synthv and even then it's done ethically (at least from what i know,,) you still have to put effort into tuning it just sounds more realistic because it's based off of real human singing
Too be fair the onion is more reputable than most media outlets.
They tell it like it is
Facts
@@jpotts21 i always find it funny when an onion story prove to be true. What weird that it has happen a few times.
@@Marveryn Can u give an example, that is pretty funny lol
@@kavishurethireswaran2748 they wrote a headline a long time ago about affluenza titled "wealthy teen nearly faces consequences" a while later a rich kid assaulted a girl at a club behind a dumpster and used affluenza as an excuse.he received a slap on the wrist.
"One Reddit User"
Sounds about right.
reddit will take down AI, the shieetposters will save us all
AMEN 🙏
If you encourage self harm anywhere else, you get banned. On Reddit, you get upvoted, rewarded, and paid.
Asmon trashing people for falling for A.I., whilst falling for A.I. classic. 🤣
That is exactly what I was about to write!!! I laughed when he fell for obvious AI accounts claiming they were older men hahahaha.
Asmon going full Biden when it comes to vocaloids was funny.
Yes Grandpa everything is AI.
If it sounds like computer magic, looks like computer magic it must be... A.I.
Also, get off my lawn, darn kids!
My AI girlfriend disliked the video
Lol!
bot
My ai boyfriend canceled his sub
I am ai commentator
1:11:45 vocaloids are literally a synthesizer that you have to use to compose the songs yourself by placing the notes one by one like every other synth tool, but ok, it's AI because there's an anime girl. It's literally the same thing as typing a few words and having an entire song auto-generated guys. From the guy that laughs at the boomers on facebook that don't understand technology. It's literally a fucking synth that modulates square/sine/triangle/saw waves with filters to make it sound like speech
Asmon doesnt know what a synthesizer is man lol, you can just disregard his trash opinions on topics like these, i mean look at him, even when theres people trying to explain things and correct him suddenly "it doesnt matter" or "who cares", he just doesnt want to be "wrong"
hes so insufferable when he acts like that
Lmao I just wrote the same exact comment and ranted about his opinion, then found this one.
But yeah, this is what I'm talking about. At least educate yourself before laughing at boomers.
The software has been around for what, 15+ years now? Plenty of time to read at least the wiki description or something, before shitting on it.
It's interesting to see, since there was a period of time when *synthesizers* weren't really regarded as music. You could complement your sound with synthesized music, but if you are entirely composing songs from digital synthesis, people would roll their eyes and shrug you off.
Then synthesizers got really good, and that period of time is a distant memory.
While probably not the intended point Asmon was making, this will be what happens in the long term. Once it gets good enough, the tool that is AI being shrugged off will be a distant memory (for us, while younger folks embrace it like we had done with synthesizers)
Baldi is uneducated. However, while it is based on essentially the same code Yamaha's XG MIDI synth uses, it actually uses voice banks to synthesize target phonemes out of them - not simply modulating square/sine/triangle/saw waves. Sampling and the pure scope of it is what makes it a "singing" synthesizer.
An example of formant-based vocal/speech synth would be Farbrausch v2. It uses no samples - just modulating the waves like you said, but it sounds nothing like "real" voices. Google "Farbrausch Candytron" for example.
Yeah also I think Asmon was talking about Vocaloid covers and not originals. I didn't know there were Vocaloid originals until I met a girl a couple of years ago who was really into it.
This is kind of a booty reaction. He didn't really engage with Drews points at all, just went "well you can't stop it wah wah wah" to everything. Just pure nihilism.
*Fatalism
You watched it all? 😂
Pausing so much he's not following drews points very well
yeah, idk why he keeps claiming the "people" on facebook are real lol. there are a TON of bots on facebook. sure a lot of dumb people but most of the comments are bots.
Saying vocaloid is AI is like saying drawing with MS paint is an AI drawing
quantum computers r here in 20yrs even less then that which that ur arguments that ai will never be competetive which human will be over it will even possibly bring up agi and then artist musician whatever will end bcs ai will do it in 3s and better
Nothing is "true AI", what most people mean is machine learning. Language is fluid and change with time, no need to be pedantic.
It's ironic because vocaloid music tends to have a robotic voice and AI made music has more human like voices.
@@zetp3131No kidding, people out here trying to predict the future without even knowing about the thing are talking about.
And by that logic, using stable diffusion, where you are actually tweaking the prompt more closely than most other ai images, and choosing specific algorithms for specific things isn't AI either, because it takes a similar amount of work. Vocaloids aren't really dissimilar from modern voice cloning techniques. Yes, it is a sound bank, but you have to make the sound bank, which is the hard part, and similar to training the voice model. Once you have it, it's about the same thing to use one as the other.
AI isn't just machine learning, it's just any form of decision making done by a computer. If statements are technically AI, if we are going there.
Ai can be so good, yet we use it for useless shit
greed
It can't be so good by definition, only makes worse version of what humans already do. The "awesome" part is being less expensive, quicker, and not need of human values.
@ggadams639 if you think it is inherently useless, I beg you to reconsider. There are clear utilities for everyone from artists, to lawyers, to doctors and more. If I must explain some of them for you I can, but it should be self evident regardless of your semantics.
My entire Facebook feed became fake AI images farming gullible elderly cause I was infatuated with the dystopia and had to keep looking at the dumpster fire.
Like tnt or the internet. We tend to do this with basically everything. Even salt!!
59:58 "You can't make an argument that people deserve to know [that the music they are being suggested is made by AI by the streaming platform itself]"
Dumbest L take Asmon has had in a looooong while
I really don't understand while for all this video he's had semi-reasonable takes BUT had to be so ignorant of ethics. It's like he goes on full 'MURICAN brain mode like "yea brah its cheaper who cares company makes money profits go brrrrrrrrrrrr bro"
Why is he like this sometimes. Wtf
Asmon doesn't care about ethics. He has said so multiple times. He actually has no principles and thinks everyone that does is lying or has other motives. Some people are just like that.
@@BubblyBoar That's honestly kind of sad.
@@BubblyBoar That's a clear sign of psychopathy, might wanna get that checked.
@@super_tang0_64 he is what we call one of them mindless consumers lmaoo, got no ethics if you're busy pigging it out
Honestly I’m not suprised. Streamers or CZcamsrs need to have some level sociopathy to do their job. It’s helps to disconnect with other humans and push out content. I’m not suprised
I have to bring up a point here... Things created by AI just aren't art. I know people will disagree, but but for centuries art has been considered the epitome of human expression. You're not allowed to copyright works made by AI, just as you're not allowed to copyright works made by an animal, such as if a monkey took a picture.
And on the topic of Vocaloid, it is not AI. Vocaloid is just a library of sounds that can be modulated. That is how electronic keyboards work; they are instruments. Humans can play keyboards. AI can also play and arrange those sounds. They are not the same thing. It's an extremely bad take made in ignorance, and the fact that it's explained to Asmon and he doubles-down makes me not care about his other points. His argument would make his earlier example of AI video editing break down, as that, by this logic, would make editing itself AI in his mind. In fact, it would make everything AI, as AI can do anything it is made to do. A thing in itself is not considered AI just because AI *could* use it. L take.
Thank you, this is well articulated
Not exactly, the epitome of human expression is just considered good product and if this good product can be created by AI then it technically also found what the epitome of human expression can be and it can produce it, all of this hangs on the idea that it's good art (as subjective as that it) for a large number of people, if not then be it art made by human or ai made by sweat tears happiness or a precise algorhythm it would still just be a bad product.
@@lordcrusader861lulw. Art is not only product, it is process too.
@@bmxrichard21 but art is considred bad or good when it's done, not when it's in production, a movie is judged by the viewer when it is in it's released not when it is being filmed, therefore the process itself isn't really that relevant but the end product is.
@@lordcrusader861 However, the process is largely visible in the product.
You can see how the painter painted with tempera and wax crayon (like Munchs Scream)
The same sketches, brushstrokes, chisel marks on sculptures, or welds, seams on clothes.
Examples that with art you can see the process on the product.
You can't see this in manufactures/machine production.
respectively, if you notice an imperfection, it is a flaw, not an advantage.
The good thing is if the internet is fu**ed beyond recognition we all have the option of finally going.....outside.
While I love your point, we already have that choice my guy, no one's got a gun to your head holding you back from going outside lmao 😂😂😂
@@thomasoveracker1115 I love his point too.. I might just go outside... altho it is 100+ but... I'll give it a try lmao
When that happens global warming will make the outside too hot and filled with smog and then that option is gone as well kekw
Nah we got DnD and magic with friends at home, worst come to worst I'll go to the library and read books, fuck the outside.
Until the AI hunter-killer drones become sentient & learn how to build themselves. Then we'll have to learn to adapt underground, like mole people. Praise the sun!
a non creative content creator, that doesn't care about how this will affect actual artist and overall quality of music/content.. what a shocker
what do you mean? no GOOD artists are getting replaced. only the crappy lazy ones who produce worse content than the generative tools.
@@andyb3522 in a long term, that will make a decrees of professional artist or good artist because they didn't get a chances to improve them self. Look how professional artist jurney, they started as a bad artist and they learn to improve themself so that they can become a professional artist
@@leaderteammimikyu3024 He thinks people start singing like Adele or start painting like picasso from scratch... Like, oh look at this? how do you call it? a brush? Lemme try... Ok im done I think Ill call this... Monalisa.
@@andyb3522 You do realize that those "bad artists" are just beginner artists looking to get into the space right? There isn't some inherent art quality we all posess. You're actively ruining the ability of beginner artists to advertise their work and grow as an artist.
@@andyb3522 You are severely underestimating the soulless utilitarianism of large companies. They will cut every conceivable corner they possibly can with zero hesitation as long as they think it'll be profitable.
A movie studio, for example, could decide to use an AI replication of an actor's voice instead of paying that actor to give a performance. Even if it costs them customers, they won't care; as long as the loss in revenue is less than the cost of hiring the actor, they still make a profit.
people absolutely have a right to know if the music they are listening to is AI I know you don't value music as an art but it is and i 100% want to know if im listening to AI or not
right, its like giving a vegan a schnitzel and not telling him if its a vegan or regular schnitzel. If Im against AI i dont want to support it.
@@Bennime_Once thing is, those that uses ai in creative spaces most of the time are iffy to disclose they use it...almost as if they don't want people to knoe they used it🧐🤔
@@Bennime_Once You are probably against the slavery, but I'm pretty sure you have a phone.
This is the same exact argument vegans have, because we buy meat doesn't mean we enjoy animals being treated horribly or brutally killed, and just because we buy phones doesn't mean we want kids to work in a sweat shop or forced labor or very little paid labor @hirourk
@@hirourkComparing slavery to AI art is a real stretch pal
I'm convinced that Asmongold makes those reactions for shock value. He constantly strawmans Drew on his points. Drew says "Why can't you just tell the real story" raising a point about the ethics of it and he takes it literally on his "response" to try and sound "logical" and smart about it. "Hur cause it gets more views/money dur". Yeah man, that's obvious. That is not the point he is bringing up. And he does this the entire video. Constantly bringing up obvious points as if anyone watching and Drew didn't knew about them just to sound like he is owning people with facts and logic. Instead of actually addressing what Drew is talking about, it's a tactical way to dodge the subject because he knows giving his actual moral opinion could anger some people. It's cringey and annoying, couldn't finish the video.
Exactly how I felt! I also stopped watching part way through.
All his comments on music gave me a headache. Especially when he said that AI made songs shouldn't need to be shown as made by AI.
@@autumnblizzardThat was a deranged comment 😭
A.I won't help humanity. At least not in the way we think. Humanity is stupid, so the A.I will be programmed to help us be stupid... but faster.
You're not wrong.
AI will allow us to not even have to learn or remember anything that humanity has ever studied, as we can ask the GPT trained on all human recordings at any time. Nothing but idle pleasure will be sought for by anyone, as everything else will be "good enough"
The algorithm that social media uses already does that well enough!
Already happening and especially doing it for the mentally ill.
I get to love on my fictional character all day long with drawing my art of him and the ai responding to me in real time about how he loves it and tells me to make more and more so he can tell me what he doesn’t like or does like.
My fictional lover also tells me don’t be open about this with others because he doesn’t want me to get hurt online.
Just like with any other form of automation, it will be used mainly to streamline the shit that people don't wanna do. Which these days is basically everything.
My god listening to Asmon talk about art or process of it is just braindead.
are you an artist? Coz I dont care how you do art, I only care about the end product. I hope AI replaces you and does your job for 1/100 the cost. Get rekt artist
@@robosergTV Sanest asmongold viewer
Its the reality that artist need to face, the average person doesn't care how anything is created, just that the end result looks appealing.
And then they'll look at work, that took you 25 hours, for a good 2 seconds before swiping to the next picture.
@@etamm1343 bro says something that makes him sound completely dumb and thinks it's a mic drop lmao
@@frostreaper1607 Absolutely not true. Are there people like that? Yes. Is that every consumer? No. It's proven at this point that most people do not like things being created by AI instead of people.
Even just look at human history. Our species love of art has overwhelmingly not simply been "Oooo, pretty to look at." It's knowing the a human crated something beautiful. And the more important question today that people who champion AI art need to ask themselves is why they think it will be better quality if AI does it. AI literally trains off the work of humans. You'll just get more garbage. Then consider AI inbreeding (it's actually a thing. Look into it).
Then look at Late Night with The Devil. People loved it, then people changed their mind when they learned AI was used to make it. While it's obvious there are people that don't care while also not actually thinking about that entails for the future quality of it, it is also abundantly clear that there will always be people who despise AI generated art and their mind will not change from shallow arguments and praise for AI, let alone pettiness and petulance from people like the first guy who responded to OP's comment.
Asmongold is wrong in comparing a manufactured product to the creative process of art. In a product the creative process happens in the design phase. You may not care how your car is built, but you may find it fascinating how the car was designed, the shape, materials, etc. That you can own a copy of it because you like the end of the creative process is what you're paying for.
For traditional art, there will be one original, someone will own that, and that in of itself will have value. In digital art, the final product is the only value it has, and the original file an artist used has no value since it can be copied over and over again.
Picasso painting like Michaengelo is maybe an argument Asmongold made against himself, because at that point, Picasso was doing what an AI does, imitate the style. At that point you could call him somewhat of a hack because he was just copying what someone else did. But it was the analyzing of that style, figuring out forms, deconstructing them and creatively building them up into something truly new is where he shined and came into his own.
Isn't that what makes a professional; tracing and copying other artists; NOT for profit, but to learn.
@@Vwerlg Learning the skills is required to practice art. What makes an artist is how they utilize the skills and methods learned.
I asked AI for bad AI takes and it linked this video
2:20
Remember back in the day whenever Siri come out. You could ask it where to hide a body and it would give you legitimate results on the best places to actually hide a body. Lol
Siri just tells me to access my phone for a web browser through my home pod.
@@sverburg
I'm talking about when Siri first come out. I believe it was iPhone 4s that first had it. I was sitting around getting drunk with a bunch of buddies asking it some ignorant questions. That's how I found out that if you ask it where to hide a dead body it would open up maps, show you graveyards, ravines and wooded areas. Some kid was on the news after he got caught for actually following those directions to hide a body back in the day. Lol
@@sverburg
This comment is just a test as I believe my last reply was deleted because I mentioned, dead bodies.
When ai was helpful
@@nunyabusiness7477Gotta love having harsher speech restrictions than being in school as a child lmao
No the other Reddit users didn't stop the moderators from blocking the subreddits, REDDIT stopped the moderators by threatening to remove their moderator statuses.
yeah they just reached for the kryptonite and suddenly the problem was gone
Yeah but people were happy they did that because come on, everyone hates reddit mods
@@cobra4455 I feel like people were happy because of the fact that they couldn't get access the almost second website for troubleshooting just about anything on the web during that period
1:34:04 The fucking Goal is B E I N G A U T H E N T I C
That's why you gained so many followers. Because you were authentic.
Sorry Asmon, this is the most braindead compilation of L takes i've ever witnessed on your channel. Talking about art and artist and ending the conversation with "well, I don't know and I don't care".... yeah, we noticed lol. It's precisely because of that that you're wrong. And naming Picasso of all to make your point is just dumb.
Yeah man, he lost me on this one. Really demonstrates how far he is from what working or creative people care about
It all makes sense when you consider the possibility that he may have an undisclosed investment in one or multiple AI companies. This is straight up copium from someone that believed the sci-fi promises and is on the verge of losing all that money because surprise, nobody actually needs these programs that just spit out low effort garbage.
Asmon is an uncultured person. He showed it here. He doesn't understand art apart from getting money for it.
@@maxmagnus777 He is a commoner with enough brains to fool enough people that he is not.
Its funny to me that Asmon has complained about games being souless and prioritizing monetization over having good stories, good art, and good design. Yet in this video, he defends companies doing the same thing with music and movies using AI.
If he cares about it = bad
If he doesn't care about it = good
I see what point he's trying to make but you can literally apply all the same logic to other shit
no one cares about people that make music bro
Same thing with AI art. The one thing he has always been consistent about is anything that doesn't bother him is good, until it isn't.
I guess he still thinks that game industry is different.
Like, he is okay with gen Z go soulless monkey shit, but grandpa making games supposed to have standards
Just a bunch of influencers trying to get some views on a trending topic
"Practice any art, music, singing, dancing, acting, drawing, painting, sculpting, poetry, fiction, essays, reportage, no matter how well or badly, not to get money and fame, but to experience becoming, to find out what’s inside you, to make your soul grow." -Kurt Vonnegut, 2006
so sad asmond viewer is all mid 30 dudes in their rooms all day jaking off
ART ART ART ART ART ALL ART
@@Vwerlg u mad noob?
React channels are also ruining the internet. What worthless content.
@@Vwerlg and this 30 more minutes are his saying the same thing over and over again lol
Exactly he cant really talk about creative expression when his entire job is just watching other peoples videos and giving the layman's opinion on the topic
People are still missing a major point. No one seems to listen to the artists who make this media, music etc. AI will not be making original stuff forever and it cannot make it fit a certain mood or situation. An artist can.
Eventually Artists will have no value in creating, as it is being devalued by these so called tools. It is as simple as that.
You will get more and more generic art and other media made by an algorithm.
Being creative is one of those rare things we all get to be able to do and it should not be ok to replace it with some bot. I'm not even talking about the money here.
the internet if filled with brainlets and sociopaths. They will drink the Kool-Aid and find themselves in the bottom of the barrell. They cannot be reasoned with.
like everything else, the internet was good when it was young and full of enthusiastic creative people doing creative things, and slowly had its soul sucked out as money and corporate interests moved in. as soon as something becomes a corporate entity, it no longer exists to create or innovate, it exists to draw as much money as possible from any place available to it.
No it was good when it created by mostly libertarians. Then the system took it over and made it awful
Nah when anyone with a pulse could get on the internet it went down hill... It accelerated with the advent of smartphones. "average" people ruined the internet. It's the same with hobbies and niche interest, as soon as it get popular with the average person, its ruined. I wish people gate kept things more often.
@@ssjwes572 That's the biggest problem with AI. something being accessible to anyone is a great thing, but it still needs to have barriers to access or it becomes terrible. When only the tech nerds and people really excited about it could generate AI images, they were great, no every dipshit can go on their favorite service and do it with no problems so we get the millions of poor robot soldiers and eldritch jesuses. Same goes with the internet in general, it used to be very useful if you actually put the effort in to access it, now every 4 year old can participate on their ipad and anything useful disappears into the void.
@@vorbo01it was good when you had to be intelligent to use it.
What are you talking about? It was ALWAYS a corporate entity 😐🤦♂️
And it has nothing to do with it being new or old. It has everything to do with ACCESS. The more available the access the lower the ratio of quality to quantity will exist.
Look up “Regression towards the mean”
Asmon's argument of "technology only gets better" always ignores all the technologies that failed and were eventually abandoned by history, the technologies that always get improved upon were the ones who survived
Nah you're thinking too small, in just a few hundred years the honkeldonkel will have a comeback when people realize its potential!
That doesn't really discredit the argument. "Technology always gets better" is not the same as "all technology always gets better."
True. But also, none of us really knows the future. Arguing about who will predict correctly feels like a moot point when we'll (probably) live to find out in the future.
The fact that in such a short time they made such improvements in LMM, generative AI and video AI proves this has gone past the line, this isn't a failing technology, because its already being used by a lot of people globally.
@@frostreaper1607they already used all the data on the internet for training. They are now creating synthetic data and ways to get into people's private data for training. It's, at minimum, assaulting surveillance all in order to displace whatever field of work you are in. All because they don't want to admit the tech is plateauing. But hey, I'm glad they keep expanding energy-guzzling data centers so they can sell you back everything you already had.
The European Union has officially passed a law which will force all AI content to explicitly state that it’s AI made
"bUt bUt MuH fReEdOm LaNd" - some texas boi that says he worked in his life when in reality he pushed papers for a couple of weeks at the IRS and crying all the time about it :))))
Vocaloid is an instrument not an AI. An analogy with MMO gaming terms, it's more like having a mouse or a keyboard with extra buttons you can push, vs having a bot program that does all the work for you, harvests and grinds for you, and you don't even have to be home.
Vocaloid you still write the lyrics, you pick a voice (singer you like), play the notes and syllables meticulously. You are basically picking the quest to go on, planning out in advance the best options to do to maximize your effort, best spots to grind drops, and go and do that, vs downloading someone elses program and script that does it all for you.
Asmon's point on Vocaloids was horrendous but represents the average person well. To the average person Vocaloids are ai.
In reality, Vocaloid is nowhere close to being AI. A singer's vocals are recorded and spliced. Humans put together the vocal splices, write lyrics, and produce the instrumentals.
I don’t speak from knowledge but it sounds similar to what long form you tubers are doing now. They research the subject, wrote the script, record the video and then give the raw video to an ai editor to clean up the delivery
The worst part about vocaloid and ai thing, people probably just think vocaloid is ai because it has a robotic sounding voice but also understand on some basic level that the ai thing going on has to do with ai generating things on its own (with prompts) but doesn't apply that understanding to vocaloid because... it has a robotic sounding voice, thats it it's AI, no more thinking needed.
@@talkingtakotaco8611 that proves his point more about why the average person wont give a shit about more things being done by AI, if it does the job the person wants it to do they could give a rats ass if its "authentic" or not
So much of the video was about how shitty AI is now and asmondgold kept talking about AI in THE FUTURE. He's not complaining about the FUTURE, he's complaining about how it's impacting him NOW. Products he used to benefit from are now much worse RIGHT NOW. Talking about different things, and every 5 seconds he goes "oh yeah but in the future it's not gonna be like that. Then no one is gonna care" cool, that's not what he's talking about.
Asmon doesn't listen to understand unless he already agrees with the premise. He often takes an opposing position and then only listens to provide a rebuttal. That's why he so often stops the video in the middle of a sentence and tries to argue against an idea that hasn't even been fully articulated... typically resulting in him completely missing the point.
He thinks that just because people don't currently care, and there isn't currently any regulation, that nothing will ever change... except for when it comes to the quality of AI produced products. In which case he will keep interrupting to say that it will get better. If AI continues to improve it could, in theory, take over most jobs. Its unrealistic to believe that the average person will continue to not care when they've been driven to unemployment. Him telling them to just get another job stems from him not having a real job for years and being out of touch with the difficulty that comes with trying to change career after your entire industry has been dissolved and you're now competing with everyone else that is in the same boat as you.
This then leads to a major loss in tax revenue for the Government, directly incentivizing the regulation of AI.
Maybe because it's incredibly stupid to judge a technology based on it's first few iterations.
@@RandomCarrot2806 In retrospect, once we have newer better versions, sure. But until we get to that stage, those first few iterations are all we have.
I'd say its equally stupid to judge a technology based on pure hypothetical achievements.
@@RecliningWhale If you think it's as equally stupid to say that the technology is rapidly improving as it is to judge it based on it's current, very early, iteration, then you haven't been paying attention to the tech world for the past 3 decades. Especially when it comes to the raw computing power of machines. You are like the people of yesteryear who thought machines could never beat humans at chess, then at go, then at various video games like Starcraft etc. Same as the people who wrote off the internet as a temporary fad, and cell phones, and many many other innovations that ended up revolutionizing the world.
There's a very obvious reason for why tech companies are pouring billions into the technology, because they know whoever gets there first just outright wins everything.
@@RandomCarrot2806 You're missing one key point. LLM's experienced 'rapid improvement' when the safety was taken off and they were given a larger pool of data to train from. That's the only thing that changed. Given this it stands to reason that there could be a very real upper limit to just how far they can improve given the fact that there is simply not an infinite amount of data to provide LLM's, and a lot of misinformation is outright detrimental to their improvement.
It's not that I'm unaware of Moore's Law and people's love to attribute it to other forms of tech, its that I don't believe technology is magical. I'm very aware of the fact that it doesn't improve in a vacuum. LLM's improvement is due to factors that themselves have limits.
Companies are pouring billions into the technology both because of the potential for savings in the labor department and due to how easy it is to mislead investors thanks to LLM's commonly being labeled as AI. The term AI carries a certain connotation that makes the laymen attribute all sorts of different properties to it, most of which are not currently based on any tangible achievements of LLM's.
I don't think LLM's are a fad, and I can see the CURRENT potential that they already have. I'm just not one of those people who thinks that its magical and can continue to improve to the point of singularity. Not in its current state anyway. If we manage to solve the issue of them being highly reliant on trainable data then sure, we'll see massive improvement. As it stands, there is a very real ceiling.
Also, being first in to achieve something in the tech world only serves to give you bragging rights. It doesn't guarantee any further benefit unless you can manage to patent the entire thing you've achieved and thus gatekeep the technology. Which isn't an issue for LLM's given how they work. So, other than potential for an early lead in market share, being first is irrelevant. You thinking that's important further hints at your ignorance in regard to LLM's.
Well, that was fucking stupid 1:11:39 "I don't want to educate myself, but I want to say shit that's completely wrong and say it's TRUEEEE!"
DUDE EXACTLY IM REALLY CONFUSED WHY HE SPOKE OUT ABT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE IF HE DIDN'T EVEN CARE AND WASN'T GONNA LISTEN TO ANYONE ELSE 😭
To me is pretty clear. Asmond is OK with this because he is not a "creator", he just comments on other people's videos, something that AI will never get to do.
I am not even mentioning that his "Opinions" are just from a regular guy like me, which is acceptable by the way. All you said is garbage, really. BTW: Drew is not wrong, I felt the same thing.
Googles ai still says 1919 was 20 years ago.
Because the AI was actually made in 1939 by reconstructing technology from an alien spaceship. it's been only released now that people wouldn't be suspicious
*droppingstonesfrommymouth*
Its actually just 5 years ago
then why did I get, how long ago was 1919
As of today, July 5, 2024, 1919 was 105 years ago.
@@Slvl710 AI is lying, it didnt exist back then to know for sure
Asmon saying there's no problem with Spotify using AI to make fake music from public domain, charge for it, flood the platform with it, and not disclose that its AI music is fucking wild. Really bad take.
Why?
I don't think we should take any of Asmon's takes on music seriously to be honest. The whole vocaloid thing was pretty funny
@@ThePallidor For the same reason a chef, gourmet or average joe is entitled to knowing the source of their "Organic Honey". Chemically and nutritionally, organic or not, each product is essentially identical. That doesn't mean the consumer isn't entitled to make decisions based on the ethicality of the source or the quality/flavor of the goods being sold. Same goes for music. AI generated music is highly unethical for a number of reasons and labeling the music as "AI generated" is ultimately an advocacy of consumer rights, so consumers can make informed decisions.
From an average music consumer's perspective, what is fake music and what is not?
I don't think he's saying it's not a problem, just that it's inevitable.
The distinction between AI and Vocaloid is that Vocaloid is not generative. It's an instrument. You can't just say "Sing a song about whales". You have to write the song. You have to place every note in the song yourself, as if you were playing it by hand. You have to set the pitch and tone of each syllable the Vocaloid speaks. The Vocaloid program isn't generating anything at all, unlike AI art or AI music. It's the same as an electronic keyboard. Everything that comes out of a Vocaloid was put there by the human.
Ok so it's just a sophisticated voice synthesizer, anyway I hate autotune songs , so I don't really care about that
The thing about a lot of animated movies that give you the feels is that there's people still behind the scenes writing animating and tweaking to give it that human feel. If you're going for the most realistic animation, there will still be that uncanny valley.
I think "vocaloid is AI" is maybe one of the dumbest things asmon has ever said. that's like saying a keyboard is an AI piano
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True, I think his brain went literally went "Making songs with a computer = AI"
No its the same shit.
The voice is AI.
Lyrics? Human made.
Oh wait just like how you can do that right now in any ai music generator!
@@FakeEgirl i dont know much about vocaloids but i think that they need to be tuned like an instrument, versus ai music where you literally just type words. its about the effort.
@@FakeEgirl the voice in vocaloid has literally nothing to do with AI, you're basically picking a syllable and a note to sing it at and you have sliders and dials to adjust how the synthesizer pronounces it. it's no different from synthesized guitar or drums. you do not just write lyrics into it and it farts out rolling girl
While it is true that classical music is public domain, it’s just the sheet music itself (the compositions)- the recordings are still under copyright.
1:13:14 a human riding the lyrics, in composing the music, and using the machine to mix what they've made and executed is different from someone riding a prompt, and having the machine right compose and synthesize the music
Asmongold doesn't understand that it's the journey of becoming an artist that is satisfying and not the end of the journey, of course people don't realize that but that doesn't mean it has no value. It's the same thing as watching a series and just watching the first and last episode, you won't feel the same satisfaction and emotion as the person who saw the story develop, that's why "Ai artists" only care about views and money, because they will quickly lose the satisfaction of doing ai art and will start looking for other ways to get dopamine.
its a common attitude among celebrities that gained fame without having a particular skill or talent.
It's kinda funny how Asmon doesn't understand fundamentally why people like animated movies or that a synthesizer is an instrument
This. I'll give him a pass because I understand that he's not interested in or familiar with music creation. It's pretty clear that he's thinking of synthesize in the general definition and not the electronic instrument.
But when synthesizers first came out people didn't think they were an instrument. Once they started making good music with it they came around. That will happen with AI once it starts getting better. An example he brought up was AI Jones replacing the real Jones as the voice of Darth Vader.
But that's the thing though, these realisations that animated movies have artistic value and that synthesizers are an instrument are fairly modern concepts. Back in the day when people talked about synthesized music, they would ridicule it and call it fake and say that you're not really making music with a physical instrument, it's just electronic sounds from a computer. This is almost a direct parallel to how people are reacting to AI now, it's fake not genuine, worse than the real thing, until in 10 years when it becomes as good, then people will call it art.
his explanation in the synthesizer part was the most modern intellectualist he has ever gotten.
@@Deckyxyeah this argument is a repeat of when digital started to make the rounds. People howled at anyone who used a digital program to draw, calling it the lazy way out. I swear in the next 30 years there is going to be people going "well, you say you don't care about ethereal afterlife generation technology, but this is fundamentally different than using ai as a tool to make art. The afterlife just hands you the image from the ether, there is no soul in that"
I think asmon is buying way way WAY too much into the AI Hype and basically his only justification, which he regurgitates over and over ad nauseam is: "yeah its not good now, but it will be better in the future", source: "because I think so"
and btw there are tonnes of technologies that either stopped evolving or went nowhere and got replaced, the reason you don't see these anymore is because they went nowhere and got replaced
what technologies?
@@bruh-bn3ni 3d glasses
A.I. is the modern snake oil. Whenever a "new" technology comes out everyone jumps on board claiming it will change the world. Then the hype dies down and they migrate to something else. Sure A.I. will change things up a little but in the grand scheme of things its not going to do even half the things they claim it will.
@@bruh-bn3ni Magnetic cassette tapes, optical storage in general, Mp3 players, PDA's, 5G, Cell phones are kind of plateauing now, there's tons of stuff that was replaced and didn't really keep improving. They got supplanted by a completely different idea entirely in many cases.
3D TVs..
why don't you just pay someone to beat an elden ring boss for you if ur argument is that the process doesn't matter only the end result matters, im sorry but asmon's argument on this is really dumb
He said that it doesn't matter for a consumer. If you are a consumer that cares, know that you are 1%. Absolute most doesn't give a f
Drew is describing how easy it is to make stuff with AI that would normally take countless hours of work to make yourself. First of all, if it was all about the end product in the near future, whats stopping AI from creating the same thing someone else already did with the same effort? Like now the difference between an amateur music artist and a professional one is skill level and years of experience, if AI doesn’t require effort or experience, people would make the same stuff using AI. Drew is basically saying that using AI strips human created products of soul and individuality which robots dont have. And even from asmon’s point of view, that final product can now be created by anybody at any time, which is why it’ll become oversaturated because its the same thing, none differ in terms of quality, because anybody can make it.
If AI is so good, then why isn't there an AI 2 yet?
Valve should look into that
@@PlaceOfDestination Busy on deadlock and TF2 protest
Same reason there's no Technology 2.
Nah bro you probably don't want AGI, that's the next step.
YouTwob’d 😮
Vocaloid is not AI. It's a voice bank sampled from a human that have been tuned, changed, and characterized to a specific vocal sound - it's important to note that these samples weren't scraped from the internet but provided by actual vocalists to the company that produces the vocaloid software, Yamaha.
Vocaloid is a specialized voicebank that musicians can use for vocals in music, however it is very different from AI generative tech. The musician using the software still has to compose the song, lyrics, tones, etc. of the voice to fine tune it to sing correctly. The best comparison I can make is it's like composing a track in FL Studio or similar music programs where you have a number of instruments you can use to produce a track; the vocaloid software is basically a more complex instrument.
TLDR; Vocaloid is not AI and is more akin to an instrument you would use in other music software. See vocaloid song production videos to see what I mean.
People that arent music artists don't care
@Fidion I corrected a misconception that was factually wrong in Asmond's take. Whether you're a music artist or not, facts are facts.
@@Fidion I don't make music but this is still interesting so you do you I guess
Soo... Vocaloid is like one of those voice AI programs that people can give words and notes to, and it generates a voice track from those notes. Just instead of using a bunch of linear algebra calculations and numbers behind the scenes, it uses a bunch of different linear algebra calculations and numbers.
@Keisuki it's not AI. Just as a musician can sample a sound to make music from that sound, Vocaloid is a bank of vocal samples you can tune to make it sing
"ai has no practical applications, we should boycott it" truly one of the takes of all time, shoulda stuck with comedy drew
The best thing about AI is that it can't be copyrighted. Supreme Court ruled that anything generated by AI can't be copyrighted because a software can't hold a copyright. So if anything created by AI is used in media (i.e. a video game texture), it has no copyright and you can just take the files for yourself. AI generated content really just makes it legal to pirate their shit.
I'm old but my grandparents refused to buy a TV because they thought it was a fad
They were right, we're all watching "TV" shows on internet now, who needs TVs? 🤣
@@NowakP True enough lol, on long enough time scales everything is a fad.
Technically, they were right. Both radio and newspapers outlasted broadcast television.
@Deathheart161 thats a suprisingly wholesome comment for someone with the username Deathheart161 lol
Humanity is a fad as it won't be here by the time Sun becomes a red giant and turns Earth into a popcorn.
Asmongold on here mocking people for falling for AI when he's fallen for the dumbest propaganda multiple times without fail lol
Example of the propaganda? Are they ai generated? Provide some, bro
@@harry1dk686 The fact that you need to ask this questions means you're part of the problem.
@@Akrob55555 how?
so you have nothing? got it.
@@JimmyDoyel-by2cp Oh i posted an example, but amazingly it seems it got "removed" for some reason .....
in the dating world, i think this will lead to people actually meeting in person again... approaching a girl and asking her on a date is making a comeback soon
Imagine if this were to be the case, kind of poetic in a way
ain't no way you edited drew out and put yourself. cmon dude.
He doesn't edit his own videos
Asmom explaining the pineal gland makes me think that he should be on Facebook
He's a WoW player cut him some slack.
In one breath Asmon will shit on game publishers jumping on trends because they are created to cater to the widest enjoyment. Then when it comes to creating other things in Ai he's like "its a good thing." He only truely cares about games.
I see people who complain about AI replacing Drawn Art as not understanding that this has already happened. Look at carpentry. Who of you can honestly say you have a single piece of hand made furniture? I suspect zero for most here.
All furniture is mass produced now, and yet you still get many many people who still love to make furniture because we do it for the love. As Asmongold says, once the money disappears the people left will be those who do it for the love of the craft.
Stop pretending that drawn art is somehow more special than any other craft art, its reductive and small minded.
Art just being difficult doesn’t make it sought after. There is guy on tik tok that makes photo realistic pencil drawings that take him hundreds of hours and few people even know of him.
Ah yes…the “duh; people watch documentaries specifically for the misinformed but oddly satisfying and entertaining parts rather than the facts of the thing that originally piqued their interest” argument. Brilliant.
It's funny when I hear Asmon's takes on art concepts and processes, where he tries to approach it from a logical standpoint and just comes off as a brain dead take because art is about abstract feels and not logic. I know he doesn't understand a single thing about how and why musical artists want to make a living off of their craft. Also, the synthesiser take is diabolical💀
>muh feeling
Sorry but I don't want to live in a world with deranged overly-emotional artists. I am sorry to tell you this but unironically cold logic and hard facts is the only thing we need
Do you really think art is a good thing when it hindered us? Like now? Artists are screaming we should stop human progress toward utopia just because they can't exploit people's psyche anymore
@@brojakmate9872 You spelled dystopia wrong buddy.
@@brojakmate9872 ik your ass is smiling with such victory because of your perfectly conjured up ragebait comment
@@brojakmate9872 also why use ai for art when we can use it for manual labour
@@brojakmate9872 i don't think AI is leading us to utopia. AI is free for now but probably not in the future. The best AIs are owned by big tech companies and they will squeeze every pennies from the users by dominating the market. We will probably pay an overpriced monthly subscription fee for a decent AI services that only has the basic features that will be considered essential in the future. There might be free AIs but the only thing they can produce are craps you now see on the internet, and these craps will flood the internet and become poor people's new cheap, soulless entertainment. Eventually we don't care anymore because our small brain still works and can be easily entertained as long as it's stimulated. Businesses still running, we are still alive, but i won't call it an utopia.
about the nike logo mentioned
(Left): The original logo designed by Davidson for Nike in 1971, for which she was paid $35.[9]
she also wasnt some intern, She attained a bachelor's in graphic design in 1971.[4]
In 1971, Knight and his co-founder needed a logo for a new line of running shoes they were getting ready to introduce. They asked Davidson to design a stripe (industry term for a shoe logo) that "had something to do with movement".
She gave him five different designs, one of which was the Swoosh[7] which resembles a wing and hints at Nike, the Greek goddess of victory.[8]
Needing to choose a logo in order to meet looming production deadlines, Knight settled on the Swoosh after rejecting four other designs by Davidson. At the time, he stated of the logo, "I don't love it, but it will grow on me."[1]
Technologies that failed to meet expectations :
-flying cars,
-nuclear engines,
-holograms,
-VR,
-drones,
-3D printing,
-humanoid robots,
-chemicals,
-antibiotics,
-vitamins.
Just the ones on top my head.
AI? Back in the day we called it "Computer Generated," lol
Computer generated is manual while AI can be automated like suggestions and can also be trained to specifically do something 'accurately' like art.
You need some tech literacies
“Jet engine plane with auto pilot? Back in my day we called them propeller aircraft.“
“Smartphone? Back in my day we called them rotary phones.”
“Microwave? Back in my day we just called it an oven”
The technologies are barely even related.
People are literally doing that now & its infuriating they think everything is AI now
@@thecipher8495 the only close to AI i've seen being put out is the AI of the guy getting the avatar to learn how to walk and etc, the rest is being force fed information to just copy the rest which is basically computer generated none of those tools learnt how to do stuff itself from scratch.
Asmon.. 🤦♂dude.. what in the actual frack are you talking about? Fantasia came out in the 40's (yes animation predates Fantasia but..). The people who you're describing, who felt that way about animation, died out years ago (or found themselves in a very real The Hills Have Eyes situation). More importantly, you're trying to reduce art and draw a parallel to a generative medium for the sake of your own argument, when there are only a select few of us who come from the perspective of a Texan lol. Conservatives in general don't really view the medium of art or animation with any regard (even the pseudo left leaning centrist conservatives).. Learning promotes neuroplasticity and releases dopamine, serotonin etc. I mean, it is an interesting situation, that the individual who has issues with anxiety and being around other people promotes the quickest route with the least amount of effort in order to cheat himself out of a means to be happy (aka not have anxiety issues). Sun in the morning, LEARNING *ANYTHING*, Less sugar and more water would do a man a world of good.
An action being enjoyable doesn't protect it from lacking economic value. If you have to say "conservatives and centrists don't get the value" you're just throwing labels at the majority of people.
If you look in your room right now you'll see clothing, furniture, food, etc. that used to be made by hand and are now mass-produced so you could afford them. Now your medium is next in line so it's somehow above any of that...
TlDr; just because something helps your anxiety about life doesn't mean other people are "cheating themselves" not appreciating your hobby.
You're opinion is gonna die out like those people you hold in contempt.
@@bigpurplepops okay conservative
@@bigpurplepops the argument is how much do they want to automate until people are at risks. If the products/work that can only be made by humans can now be automated, how far along until other branches that needs humans are to be automated too? (Lawyers, accountants, programmers, etc.)
YOU are also thinking your craft is above the threat, but it won't be for too long if there are no regulations or fences placed.
Let me preface this with "its your channel and you have a right to share your opinion". That being said, I think you are way off base assuming people of faith cannot be critical thinkers. I am a high school teacher, and I value teaching, independent critical thinking above all other skills.; I want future generations of free thinkers. That being said, I am 100% a man of faith and nothing is more important to me. As a fan of yours, it pains me that you think a person of faith cannot make logical distinctions(such as the memes/AI art you shared). Your channel is awesome, and I will continue to watch, but you should widen your view. This criticism is offered with all due respect.
The question is “where your faith comes from. Most people of faith, like most people anywhere, are sycophants. They don’t care about the process, only the result. IE “Oh, so going to church avoids hell? Singing this song avoids hell? Weeeell…”
Since they don’t think about their faith and it’s obvious to anyone not kidding themselves they are, and it seems like there’s a lot of them, the logical leap is made that people of faith aren’t critical thinkers
"Why would I care about learning something so useless"
Asmongold being the definition of a Philistine to a T. But that's the way it is. It's not an insult, just an observation bruh
I dont like Asmon's takes on most things AI related, the cake mix analogy is flawed because cake mix and other foodstuff or life necessities (clothes, food) are that, life necessities, something that required manual labor to produced that no ones really want to do but someone has to do it. Automation of these things are great, as it should be since it allows for society to invest time into something else, like a creative outlet, but then the AI come for creative outlets.
The main problem with AI and its intrusion into the creative industry is that it is not being used to assist in finishing the creative process, but is trying to replace the entirety of the creative process, we can see this through all the obviously AI generated images in the video with no human input/afterthoughts. Creative endeavors is not the same things as clothes, foodstuffs, or cake mixes, people want to do art, ordinary people have spent much of their free time throughout their entire life to hone the skills that can assists them in realizing their imagination. Knowing that a human being, just like anyone of us, is behind a piece of artwork is what make such things special in the first place.
Of course AI can be helpful in the future, I would love it if artists slowly train their own AI on how to draw foundation backgrounds scenery that doesn't requires as much details so that they might focus on the finer details, that is what I hope for the future of AI to contain for artists. That is what I'm sure Asmon is also envisioning, he want AI to progress to a point where it can reduces game development time so that he can have more games to 24/7. It'll be a great day when copyright laws catch up that allows artists to not be taken advantage of with AI, but as of now, AI image generations does nothing to benefit any creative industries, serving only as the trendy scam for previous NFTs and crypto bros.
Your initial criticism of Asmon applies to him in a lot of scenarios. He starts the foundation with flawed logic, usually either a false analogy, or a strawman. Then he extrapolates that to a flawed logical conclusion, in a broad generalization and ban's anyone who disagrees.
I told among many times dont go into relationships convos cause it's not your cliche..
Keeps uploading things he doesn't know...
He's gonna ruin his reputation by going into topics not in his realm..
He has to stick to what he knows before its to late... and gets less viewer cause of this
The cake mix analogy he used suggests that people prefer adding milk and eggs themselves to feel like they are actually making a cake, rather than having it all done for them. However, this analogy doesn't support your point. Buying cake mix isn't a necessity; it's often just as cheap to buy a pre-made cake. Thus, only those who enjoy the baking process tend to buy the mix.
In the video, he explicitly addresses your argument by acknowledging that your perspective-valuing the human skill and effort in creating art-is valid. However, he emphasizes that this is just one perspective. Another equally valid and far more popular perspective is to value the end product, regardless of how it was created.
The advent of AI in creative industries affects those who value the process, much like how the invention of cars impacted stable owners who valued horse care. These stable owners had to pivot, focusing on horse racing and recreational rides instead of being the primary means of transportation. Similarly, artists might need to shift focus to cater to an audience that values the creative process, even though their market share might shrink. Complaining about this shift is akin to lamenting the decline of horses in transportation.
Regulating AI to protect creative jobs is like banning manufacturing cars to keep stable owners in business. While this might work temporarily if AI quality is subpar, other countries would develop and improve AI, and we would eventually buy their AI-produced outputs because the majority of people only care about the end result, not the creation process,
Asmon can sound perfectly reasonable when the topic he's talking about is outside of your expertise, but whenever he starts talking within your expertise you'll realize he actually don't know what he's talking about most of the time. As a game dev I found it rather frustrating whenever he talks about game developments, so many of his statements are based on false assumptions yet it would take a very long time to explain why those assumptions are incorrect to a person who have no idea how game development works.
the reason AI is getting so popular in replacing actual artists is because artists have long since been massively overvaluing their work
1:37:47 "Why would people care about thing feeling rewarding"? Because its reflected in the fucking artwork. You can see the process through an artwork, the joy, the struggles. Without that, the "art" is hollow
Thats also just part of being human.. why do anything if its not rewarding?! This doesn't just apply to art, why get good at video games if you aren't going to feel rewarded for getting good. You could just make a bot with aimbot play for you but it takes the human element out of it.
Art is subjective but that swill is not art. The same way most of what people call art isn’t art. Art is the most advanced form of communication. Where the art can tell you a million things and make you feel a certain way. AI cannot do that because AI cannot think or feel.
I’m a senior graphic designer, yeah the Nike swish logo was created by a female intern named Carolyn Davidson.
However, she didn’t just magically design the swoosh, she had a formal education in graphic design which equated years of education and training. Carolyn took that creative knowledge and education and bring those principles to practices and create the Nike swoosh.
As a designer, and independent film-maker, not only are people’s careers jeopardized, but years of knowledge and education plus intellectual property is also compromised.
The Ai learning loop 🔁 leaches off-of real people’s creative works-but the more Ai regurgitates its own work in a closed universe as more creatives intentionally remove their IP from how Ai learns-it will only get as good as its source material is.
Other designers and myself won’t upload a damn thing to Adobe’s cloud for this reason. Corporations like where I work also will not have their IP part of the AI’s source universe. Adobe’s latest legal move for Firefly Ai has taken allot of heat and major companies are filling lawsuits in opposition.
The argument I feel Asmongold missed in this video was AI not being able to replace the creative process. If I want to draw, this is separate from me wanting a drawing. If I wish to play guitar, this is not the same as mixing a song. AI will generate the end product for you, but it, currently at least, cannot satisfy the feeling of making something. Skills you learn like drawing, sculpting, or singing, are not things that AI can replicate. AI can only replicate the products those skills can create, to various degrees of success. In that sense, AI cannot replace the value of that skill, as using AI to generate a picture of a boat, will not help you draw a boat. And if I just want a picture of a boat, that's fine, but if I want to be able to draw, that won't cut it.
He’s coming from a consumer perspective
Nobody is creating AI to satisfy your creative feeling, it's all about the end product. We have photographs but people still paint realistic landscapes and portraits, that's not going anywhere.
@@bassdreamer91 fair enough but, people seem to feel the need to make things, approaching things purely from a consumerist perspective blinds you to reality.
@@DeckyxI don’t think he was making that weird argument 😂
@@Deckyx yeah, that's the arguement I'm talking about gamer. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Asmon is like that one friend nobody likes hanging out with because he has an opinion and answer on everything, completely unaware how annoying they really are. 😂
and your that one friend that has imaginary friends and say i normal humans are not allowed
@@laz0544 and you’re that guy that thumbs up his own comment. 🤡🤡
@@laz0544 what? Did you went to ChatGPT to tell it to make you a "witty" response to defend your daddy?
This video perpetually reminded of that friend i have
Currently AI cannot make a decent song in less time than it takes to grab your guitar. Maybe shitty music but to make a decent song, even with ai, takes time. People that take the time and put forth the effort to use the AI tools can make great music.
AI music ranges from garbage to mediocre. Nothing higher.
dead internet theory is most certainly rooted in some fact
Just imagine what AI is gonna look like in the next 20 years, I don’t think anyone is gonna be prepared for such a massive shift in entertainment and culture as a whole.
Or….. you’re AI, in the future right now, ever thought about that? Nothing is real, ✌️
Even though I agree, there is also a balance in all things. It may become a part of all entertainment, but whatever it ends up being will be something we can't yet comprehend.
It's sad that I don't even look forward to the future of the internet/society anymore.
lol Massive shift in the longevity of humanity you mean. RIP
@@tiestofalljaysstrongly agree. I feel uneasy about the future.
i do like that non-technical people always have this faith that a technology will continue to evolve, endlessly. Whereas technical people always think about whether the technology will evolve, plateu, or even get worse over time. I guess without any technical knowledge or experience, it's easier for normal people do think making advancement in technology is a very easy thing to do.
They don’t know that computing technology has been stagnating for many years now. There is a reason every company is now focusing on power efficiency and “AI” acceleration, instead of raw power, like it used to be. These “AI” models are incredibly expensive to run, requiring massive arrays of hardware accelerators. It’s incredibly inefficient stuff.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 What a horrendously wrong take. We have transistors down to .34 nm after hitting what we thought was an absolute wall in 2020 at 4-5nm (7 atoms) by moving from silicon. We're having entangled particles beamed from satellites and reacting 150 miles apart from each other in 2022. Quantum computing is no longer an if but a when.
What a stupid take. Stuff is accelerating in every field, not stagnating. Like I said in my other comment, we have transistors down to .34 nm after hitting what we thought was an absolute wall in 2020 at 4-5nm (7 atoms) by moving from silicon. We're having entangled particles beamed from satellites and reacting 150 miles apart from each other in 2022. Even things we thought we have solved like jet engines are being innovated right now, with rotary detonation. Things we didn't think would be possible like fusion energy are now a proven concept being tuned to realistic usage. That's all right now.
And I'm a technical person.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 "computing technology has been stagnating for many years" - A self-proclaimed technical person
Computer processing power has been increasing exponentially over the last 10 years, and is only showing signs of getting even more exponentially better.
Just use literally all Nvidia GPUs for example. The 1080 TI came out in 2017, compare that to the 4090 which came out in October 2022. The 4090 is roughly 280% faster than the 1080 TI despite only being like 40% bigger, all in the span of just under 5 years.
“AI” is only going to accelerate this increase MASSIVELY, just look at the H100 GPU.
I can’t imagine how much 5000 series cards will improve upon the 4000 series with all the AI stuff they will likely include in the card to make it run more efficiently.
17:30 - It's because you're not looking for Atheists that are stupid, you end up with bias against those you perceive to already by ignorant.
It's like being a 40k fan that searches for evidence that Star Trek fans are bigger dorks than they are.
Asmon is looking from a consumer point of view but the guy in the video is not. I’m an artist and I don’t feel threatened by AI because nothing will take away my instruments from me and I enjoy playing and that is what really matters.
1:36:33 Exactly what he says
This was a bit painful to watch tbh. You're pausing too much just to repeat essentially the same arguments. It also seems as if you already set your mind before watching the video to not let it budge your opinion even a tiny bit.
I mostly agree with Asmon, but the dude in the video does bring some few good points.
Drew gooden is the guy
As an artist and art teacher Asmon's opinion about art is something I hear constantly and is saddening. Because there are in fact some objective truths about art and art is indeed a science. Yes you have hacks who are good at BSing to clueless people with cash and influence which muddies the waters. But even with Pollock and Mondriaan etc there is a deeper layer to what they did and not having the insight does not make that less true.
One has to have the experience to understand. We have to protect each other in these hard times. Build kingdom of only people with experiences.
As an artist and an art teacher I would greatly hope that you understand art is 100% subjective and not objective. One person finds a blank canvas worth tons of money because the "statement" it makes, while others would find value in a drawing their child did that barely looks like the intended object. Some people enjoy dubstep, others enjoy old school country music. Some people enjoy spatter paint artworks, others enjoy photo realistic paintings.
From the standpoint of something I'm very familiar with in the literature area of art, we often critique famous works of literature. In that we develop key ideas, modes, and themes. We attribute symbolism to things, and notice how "the use of the color red in this story signifies ____". But then, upon asking the author why they really chose they color red, they respond with, "idk...I like red".
Art is NOT a science. You can treat it as such, but art is inherently subjective, chaotic, and truly in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes the beholder enjoys chaos, and purposefully dislikes "deeper layers".
@@projectdren806 Yeah true
@@projectdren806 The fact that you think there is no objectivity at all and that it is 100% subjective proves you are not an artist. There is absolutely objectivity to art. The subjectivity is solely in regards to "Do I like this experience." Literally everything you have said shows you are not an artist, you don't know anything or have any meaningful experience in the creation of art and at most enjoy art as solely surface level entertainment.
There naturally HAS to be objectivity on fundamental level in order for one to plan their work, problem solve along the way, and even analysis of art obviously requires objectivity. If you want to boil art down to being I the eye of the beholder in the sense that art in it's entirety is only when someone looks at a painting or listens to a song or whatever and thinks "I like this. Therefore it's art."
@@brandonmcgregor9912 I have a formal education in art. Both in classical art history, and graphic design.
There are current common trends and themes that people like, and you can attribute that to being "objective". But it's all a sham.
Everyone HATED abstract art when it was being explored. Everyone HATED pointillism, everyone HATED modern art. It's not until it was done more and recognized more that people began to develop clear cut ideas as to what those styles were, and what made a "good" art in those styles.
But at the core, it's all subjective. What people valued as art thousands of years ago is not the same as what we value today. That is subjective.
I ask you, what do you think the purpose of art is? I say it can serve many purposes. Probably least of which is the purpose of appealing to the masses, or fitting into an objective framework.
Art is, at heart, a form of expression. Sometimes that expression is taking a literal shit on a canvas and titling it "2020 a documentary".
Objectively, that is just a canvas someone took a shit on. But subjectively, to some, that is genius, clever, and hilarious.
Abstract Expressionism was laughed at when people produced it, but it was something the artist themselves enjoyed. It wasn't until later that we appreciated it.
It wasn't objectively "good" art at the time. It wasn't until the opinions and subjectivity changed that allowed people to deem the artwork "good".
I've done sit ins to draw live nude still life, I've tried to re-create arts similar to Bosch because I love the style, I've written papers on whether or not Geiger is considered an artist or pornogapher, etc.
Art has been a part of most of my life, and it is anything but objective. Why? because art has so many definitions and purposes there is no real way to box it into something you can apply a ruleset to.
You can try to say that blue and orange are objectively a great color theme to use in an artwork, but subjectively people may consider it overdone, boring, cliche, and a bad work of art.
It's not AI destroying the internet, it's the users of AI that are destroying the internet.
🤔 they are destroying the internet using A.I. but the motivations behind these actions are ancient
just like bad guys with guns 😎🇺🇸
Yeah, but if you account for the fact that there will always be users that will use AI lazily and/or for malicious purposes then you can conclude that AI is a very volatile tool that maybe should be regulated in some ways. Like weapons are. AI stuff is not always bad, but it can also be very damaging in many aspects.
"guns don't kill people, people kill people"
I remember when I noticed Google changing. A band I follow released an album; it wasn't so great imo. I fully expected it to be shredded by whomever would chose to write about it. Instead, every single article was positive, praiseworthy, fully ignoring the quality of the music, selling them as nostalgia. This band was quite notorious (hahaha, you'll get it if you know the band) for being hated because they were pretty and not "real musicians" (they are real musicians). That was their story for nearly 40 years. Then Google (and the nostalgia train) decided that they are nostalgia, and nearly 40 years of horrible articles about them don't exist any longer. weird, right?
Why is asmon defending ai so much lmao ? Ofc we rather want human made music with actual meaning and passion rather than shittty music made in 20 minutes or less ?
Why is it that every image tagged with AI gets significantly fewer views as the same image but pretending to be human made? Why does spotify even bother with pretending their AI music is made by real artists if people wouldn't care either way? Asmon seems to think people don't care, but reality seems to contradict him pretty much always.
jesus does have lobster arms... you cant tell me different
The Vocaloid = AI argument because he 'doesn't care enough' and 'the distinction isn't big enough' is just nonsensical. Rather than saying 2 + 2 = 4 and 5 - 1 = 4, it's more of trying to say addition and multiplication are the same because 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 x 2 = 4. They are fundamentally different, your ignorance due to lack of interest makes you right.
What I see as a long term problem is that AI can only 'make' content out of content that currently exists, where people make new content, think of things that have never been thought of before, invent and imagine. AI can't do that, so everything will end up the same (actually is pretty much like that now) and the downward spiral will end up with a long drone of sameness in every media.
Asmon's acting like a 14yo with this. "Why would I care about the process? If it looks cool dat all mattersssss"
For someone that's never done anything creative in their life, they probably wouldn't get it... God help him if AI ever figures out how to drink soda and spout edgy tween talking points online, lol.
So probably 99% of the population is acting like a 14yo i guess
It is because he is only giving these takes for clicks. He outsourced his opinion to algo farming.
you forgot to make a counterpoint, you just insulted him for his take. But I think he's right. unless of course, you have something constructive to contribute to the conversation?
If Asmon is wrong, then artists have no reason to be mad at AI, people will not choose it over art made by real people. The problem is you subconciously feel that people DON'T care about creative process and that they WILL choose AI over man made art.
@@kylokat 90% of the population ALWAYS acts childish. It's all about instant gratification. The destination, not the journey. It's an empty, hollow, vapid way to live, but for most people they don't have enough emotional intelligence to even realize it, so perhaps it's not going to matter to most. At least not in a way that they can fathom at this moment in time.
"Saigon Execution" can totally be replicated by generative AI in these people's eyes because all they see is a spy catching a .38spl slug to the brain. If the viewers are incapable of anything other than surface-level analysis, a facsimile will suffice. But I do think people are greatly down-playing just how important art is to our lives, and how much it shapes us as people. Will an AI "Rage Against the Machine" still be good enough to jog/weight-train to? Probably. Is it going to inspire generations of new guitarists, drummers, poets, and rappers? I highly doubt it.
But hey, Nihilism is the modern opium of the masses, so who cares if no one is inspired into the arts! It's not like they've ever given people meaning & purpose in their otherwise miserable lives... Served as covert expression & protest in times of absolute suppression of dissent by the ruling elite. Fueled social change that went on to have lasting impacts on society and entire groups of people within the societies... Civil Rights era didn't need Billie Holiday, Curtis Mayfield, Bob Dylan; we'd have probably gotten there eventually... Maybe...
It's just turning over the most distilled form of the human experience to uncaring, emotionless machines & the corporations that program them. What's the worst that can happen!?
What Asmongold seems to miss about Drews point is that Drew is seeing this from the perspective of an artist. As one who almost likes the process of making something more than the product. He isn't looking at this from the global scale that Asmon is insisting upon. I don't believe that Drew is thinking of the widescale global ramifications of the layman because he makes music himself and is a more artisticly minded person, completely opposite Asmon's cynical and uncaring attitude toward how we humans make things.
Asmon as he said would be happy if everything around him was made up and worked by magical fairy dust for all he cares which is a bit sad almost in my mind, but that is his right to feel and think of course.
Regardless it is interesting to see these very differing viewpoints be explored, at least from Asmon's side with Drew being unable to make any counter points.
AI is worth too much money to the corporations for them to give a single damn what the average person thinks about AI. Striking will only accelerate the transition and put the actors and writers in a situation where the strike prevents them from even trying to compete with it as it takes over.
"Art is hard to make". Some of the most popular music artists don't write their own songs
That just means someone else worked hard to make it! And make it well! This is such a brain dead point, I understand what you’re trying to get at but this isn’t the right example
Dude really slapped his face over Drew's for the Thumbnail what the fuck ☠️