How To Improve Your Movement Holder In 3 Minutes
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- čas přidán 3. 01. 2023
- In this video I am going to show you a hack I just figured out that will greatly improve your universal movement holders.
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This is IMO the best, most educational channel about watch repairing: you explain, clearly and quickly, exactly what a beginner like me is hungering for. Thank you!
Wow, thanks!
I agree. Some of the other channels take 20 minutes to get to the point where everything one needs to know can be explained in 3 minutes as is the case with this great channel.
I used a combination belt and disk sander to remove the recommended area and it took all of 30 seconds! Just be careful not to remove too much as the belt melts away the aluminum very quickly! Thank you again to my favorite teacher ever! Ok, you’re tied with Miss Bernstein from 5th grade in 1969! lol
Good old Miss Bernstein. Great tip. Thanks
Awesome as always Alex, thank you. Sometimes the simplest and best solutions are right under our noses just waiting for the eureka moment 😀.
Very true!
Great advice! I added my laziness to the mix and just used a dremel to save time. I got the lion’s share off and then finished with a file. NB if anyone wants to try it, please do this in a workshop or even outside and wear safety glasses and clothes you don’t care much about because the aluminum dust will fly out like crazy.
Great tip!
the best tip ever. Thank you!
Great idea. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching Heath
Great tip Alex, thank you again.
Glad you liked it!
Super simple, was just thinking about how annoying that aspect of my holder was. Thanks a bunch!
You're welcome Maxwell. A very simple solution to a problem.
Beautiful simple tip!
Glad it was helpful!
Beautiful simple tip! Can't wait to try after work.
Let me know what you think afterwards
Thank you, Mr. Hamilton! The info you give out is very valuable.
You are very welcome
Genius! Well done sir!
No, sir, you are a genius. I love your music. 😊
defo gunna try that. thanks so much
Have fun!
Short and sweet. Great tip!
That was fun. I think I’ll do some more.
Great tip! Thanks for sharing, have a great day. -David
KISS = Keep It Short & Simple Thanks Alex a million times for the great tip
Hope it helps you in some little way.
Great advice. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
What a brilliant idea, I will try it out.
Go for it!
Hi Alex! Happy New Year, I am back!!!! easy and simple tip but so valuable, thank you. I am now tuned for next 😊
Happy new year Willy. Good to see you my friend.
I am doing this tonight! thanks for the tip!
Have fun!
Alex, as always you are a master tool maker. You always come up with simple ways to make your own tool. Thank you 🙏 😊
Thank you very much!
Thanks for information
you are welcome wy friend.
Awesome Alex, top tip there brother, thank you for sharing buddy
No problem 👍 hey, I checked out some of your custom bikes you were doing. Are you still into that?
OMG! What a great idea Alex!! Thanks again
My pleasure Matt. I’m kind of hooked on this method now.
Wow. Genius. Thanks
Glad you liked it Troy
Interesting, and thanks for sharing this tip! Yes, it can be a bit fiddly to get the movement securely fixed to the upper section of the holder.
I have a large Horetec holder that I use for pocket watches that has these lower profile jaws. I was looking at it and then these other ones and an internal voice said Heyyyyyyy that’s what they need.
Great stuff! I bought a Marshall 4-way holder and it's precision has been a movement saver. Will be doing this with my other hlders tho... Great tip! Thanks!
Well now that AK is in the heart of winter, I’m sure you have plenty of time to knock out some watches.
Alex, the GOAT watchmaker/teacher/videographer! Thanks for sharing. :-)
Thanks Chris. A simple solution to a problem. I’m sure other people have.
Getting the files out right now. Thanks for the tip.
No problem 👍
Mr. Alex, I admire your knowledge and I must admit that I learn a lot from you, thank you.
In my holder, I corrected the depressions and gave them more rounded edges of the plane that presses. The mechanism holds better than the original version.
Perfect my friend.
Perfect
Simply the Best Alex, The information, teaching ,explanations and insights in The Videos are brilliant, Grateful for You sharing from Your Vast Experience in so many Ways, Thanks So Very much Work and Dedication It Is Priceless!
My pleasure Richard.
Love these kind of tips.
I have used a bergeon 4040 movement holder and the top part is holding pretty good with the movements I used. It never bother me, but I can see why on other types of holders, if not well made, they could slip.
Don’t get me wrong, I use the ones that are size specific primarily when I’m installing hands but for many new watch makers who don’t have more expensive holders I think this is a pretty good solution to the problem
I guess it’s for intermediate sizes… but the holder is adjustable so its kinda redundant. tbh I’ve never even given it a moments thought.
Great, thanks!!
You're welcome!
Getting this done outdoors was enough to make me realize how hot it is here today. 🤣 But I love the result. Thanks Alex.
My pleasure!
Thank you for your lessons. I’m going to watch all of them. Paul/ ohio
Glad you like them Paul. Let me know if you have any questions.
You’re amazing,Alex! A very quick and easy answer to that conversation there. 👏🏻
It’s so funny how the conversation that we were all having about movement holders turned into this video. I was looking at one of my more expensive holders that I use for pocket watches. I noticed the shape of the jaws and then when I looked at these other ones I went wait a minute that’s the problem with it.
@@watchrepairtutorials That’s what I say here and I hope it makes sense in English: “before simple solutions, men are as blind as bats before the light”.
@@sergiohegner8844 you said it perfectly, my friend
Great tip! Hoping you can do a shop tour soon and show us what’s on your wrist/collection!
Well, I’ll tell you today I was wearing a Seiko Bellmatic that I hope to be servicing soon.
Great tip 👍
Glad you think so! 👍
Interesting tip. I'm always frustrated with the bergeon 4040 holder being wobbly when a movement's secure in it, and even more so when it doesn't get a good grip on the edge of the movement when working on the dial side. I'll file one down, got nothing to lose 😀. Thanks
Thanks Charles. Like I said, what do you have to lose?
I just received mine.
This will be done to both of them.
Aloha
Damn man I just put that video up like three minutes ago. It’s an awesome tip.
Again, spot on! I knew. I needed to do something, but I spent so much money on my holder. Then you solved the puzzle. It makes me wonder if grinding a slight curve on the tines would help further-rather than a flat surface holding a round object. Thank so much!
I think there are a lot of people who end up buying all different kinds of movement holders because they’re never really satisfied with what they have. This is a simple solution that makes a big difference.
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
I used a movement holder for the first time today and I had all kind of problems with the movement flipping up and out. I finally just used a plastic case holder and that held it really well.
Thats why I made this video Brother
Love the tip Alex. Yes I have been having issues holding movements in the off brand holder. I have tried filing the top ledge ti get a better bite. Never thought of just removing it all together. Thank you again!
Hey John, you’re not the only one I’m sure, but this is a simple solution to a common problem, so give it a try and tell me what you think
@@watchrepairtutorials yes will do. Was looking into getting a Bergeon one. But I’ll give this a try. The one I have looked cast and the corners in the cut outs were not that sharp so I tried filing the corners sharper. But I’ll just remove the whole top level.
Experienced watchmakers as any machinist, toolmaker, or jeweler, will always be creative when devising ways to make their job easier. It’s amazing how they come up with such little improvements, different approaches as tool making to fit each situation. In the watchmakers case, the size of the tools we’re talking about is mesmerizing since we work in such unbelievable small world! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
Well said! Thanks, as always, my friend
A great idea. I was fighting with my movement holder today. I'm going to file mine off too. Thanks for the tip.
Perfect! Thanks Darryll
I modded my cheapo holder by using a Dremel with a cutoff wheel to grind the curved recesses wider and it removed the flash as well. Much better now and it was really fast. You just need a steady hand! Still that was a great workaround!
Perfect. I really liked the lower profile of the jaws. It really fits into how I like to work.
@@watchrepairtutorials yeah… the higher profile is definitely less stable snd in the way. Maybe I’ll quit being lazy and grind off that top part! Great videos - yours are the most informative going.
I have a bunch of these beasties hiding in a drawer. Never felt happy using them; even the 4040 isn't perfect. But now....the files are coming out! Great tip Alex. Say…don’t have a tip on how to turn water into beer, do you?
LOL.
Actually I do
Great idea, hard to do to Bergeron 4040!
Well, Mike, I would say if you’re not having any problems, then it wouldn’t really be necessary to even try. Good to see you again.
Taking K.I.S.S. to another level! I am definitely doing this, it jut makes sense!
It’s like, Why didn’t I think of that before
I have also filed my generic aluminum movement holder. I didn't do your method, I just bettered the angles and therefore increased contact surface to the movement sizes I work with more frequently.
Nice work. There’s multiple ways to do it then if that’s what works for you perfect.
Thanks for sharing
Great idea and pretty easy implementation! Thank you! I was always wondering if the movement wobbling problem is only mine. Now I know that I am not alone. 😑Did you file both sides?
Thanks buddy. Yes I did both sides.
I’ll do this tonight …. I’m a prototype machinist in my day job … this didn’t even occur to me …. I was planing making my own custom movement holder 🤪🔨
Same here. Tomorrow started....
Let me know how you like it.
That is better , but I bought a really inexpensive movement holder so it still needs some fine tuning. Thanks for the tip … I’ll update after I make some more changes.
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Use the angle of the file in the corner, it allows a small overhang. Gripping better.
The whole point of is modification is not only to eliminate the issue of the grip but also to allow for the jaws of the holder to be below the the top of the jaw as well as a more secure grip when the plastic movement ring is still attached.
Excellent, I consider myself just a hack before I started watching your videos and really paying attention to what you were saying... Mechanical watches are just absolutely fascinating I grew up on a farm and always was working on our old out of date equipment trying to squeak by... But all the videos you've done gave me confidence and trying to take a non-working watch and make it functional. The last couple of months I've had more success than the last few years combined and your info is well presented and has helped tremendously. I bought a Rolex 6426 off of eBay and disassembled and loaded it and voila it ran after I was done LOL success!!! So the current project is my wife's grandfather's 1950s Crosby automatic. Not an expensive watch so there's no pressure other than sentimental value... Winds well and and the mainspring is storing plenty of energy, but for some reason it's not making its way to the escapement wheel consistently and I think it's just 60 years of crud and old oil. Anyway it's disassembled and in the cleaning solutions you recommended and I think I've got a reasonable shot at getting it back together thanks to you 👍👍👍
Man, Bob that story means a lot to me. It’s really why I even started this channel in the first place. We got a lot more material to cover so I hope to see you again brother good luck on the Crosby.
@@watchrepairtutorials I used to do a fair bit of Photography and started dabbling in video editing with a DJI drone and I don't think people realize how much editing is involved with your videos it is a crap load of work isn't it? Everything from the dialogue to the camera shots.. it's a lot of work and I'm sure I speak for everyone, we sure do appreciate it 👍
@@bobbaemel4110 it is but I’m slowly getting better at it. You have to learn a lot of specialized trades like videography, sound and editing softwares. Thanks, it’s my pleasure.
@@watchrepairtutorials @It's About Time hey Alex, just wanted to give you an update... The Crosby's running and I owe it all to you. you're the man 👍. It was old lume and grime in the train gears. I have to tell you though, I wish I would have watched your video where you make recommended the amscope sm-3t. I bought the cheapo amscope and regret it. Saving up for the 3t👍
@@bobbaemel4110 Thanks for the update, this makes my day to hear about your success. I hear a lot from people who have purchased the SM-3T and they are have been able to get to another level in their work so it will be a good move. You can't really do much in the escapement with out it.
Great idea! Excellent video as usual Alex 🙏. I noticed on another comment you mentioned you use the size specific holders for hand placement. Is that because it's just a more stable platform? I'll admit, I'm a bit afraid to modify my Bergeon 4040, or anything with that damn B logo after the prices they fetch 😂Maybe I should grab a cheap one from Amazon and try this trick, and see how it compares to the Bergeon 🤔. Thanks for the tip!
I can understand your hesitation about modifying the Bergeron but pick up a cheap one and try it out.
The reason I like the stainless steel size specific holders is because they have a support for the center will jewel which prevents that jewel from moving when you’re pressing the hands on.
@@watchrepairtutorials Oh that makes a lot of sense with the center wheel jewel support, figured there must be a good reason. I'll take your advice with trying out the trick, and add a cheap one to my cart next time I order supplies 👍
Alex another great video. I have the small and large Bergeon synthetic ones do you think this would work for them and I'm not sure using sand paper would be best because of the it being synthetic or as I call it plastic.
I would only do it if you’re having a problem with the movement staying in the movement holder. If I were going to do one made out of a synthetic material, I would probably use a file and then maybe finish it up with a fine sandpaper.
@@watchrepairtutorials Well that is the problem I'm having some movement more than other. Well think about it if push comes to shove I might just order metal ones as you know us Watchmakers are tool junkie😍
Alex problem solve. I took my small dremel tool and a cut off wheel to it and that did just fine. I smooth it out with some fine sandpaper and gave it a try, much better now. Thanks!
@@PMELKUS that’s awesome to hear Paul good job
Crazy. I build my own movement holder out of steel.
It is realy hard but it holds the movements perfekt (especialy the old pocket watch movements).
My Horotec pocket watch holder is made out of steel as well as works perfect because the jaws that hold the plate are low.
@@watchrepairtutorials yes i love the steel one, but it is sometimes a bit to hard and i have the feeling that it grips to hard.😅😅👍🏼😊
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That’s what she said
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I haven’t run in to the issue yet but I’m still new! So since every brand, even the original, has the step…what it’s purpose anyway?
I guess it’s there to hold the movement higher, but that’s the whole issue.
Alex, what are the benefits of a 4040 v a 4040p? And reason I should consider going plastic?
I believe the 4040p is a little larger and I would probably stick with metal if you want this kind of holder.
If you’re just starting out, it’s probably the best way to go but for whatever it’s worth these style holders are my least favorite.
This is hilarious. I just started learning watch work as a hobby a couple weeks or so ago and last week I bought one of those cheap holders and noticed the step jaw problem, so two days ago I did this very thing! I used an upright belt sander though.
I am a machinist by trade and do this kind of hacking on a daily basis so my brain is kind of stuck in the hacking lane constantly, so don't nobody feel bad. Yeah, I can think of a movement holder hack, but I can't seem to get 10 minutes into a watch without breaking at least a couple stupid things... so far anyway.
Lol I guess great minds think alike.
Hang in there brother and let me know what I can do to help.
Hey Tyrone - if it’s any help, get yourself a couple of junker movements and take them apart and reassemble them 10 times. Hold parts so that slips (like slippery screwdrivers) will move away from delicate parts. Remove one screw at a time, and place into a tray. I use old chocolate boxes. Use a sharpening stone on your tweezers and you’ll lose things less. I suspect this is due to a burr on the edge. Use a stone on your screwdrivers to make the blades fit the specific screws of that watch. Hope this helps and welcome to the slippery slope.
@@watchrepairtutorials "Lol I guess great minds think alike." heh. I can confidently say that in your case smarts and experience lead to those good ideas. For me it's much more an accidental Mr. Magoo moment.
so were can i buy a cheap aluminum holder for my pocket watch repair
All the major suppliers have one if you just search for pocket watch movement holder. I will have to say that they don't hold pocketwatch movements very stable so I got the Bergeron one which runs about 80 bucks.
Thanks. I thought I was the only one who hated the upper part of the movement holder! Why do they put it there in the first place?
A good idea that's poorly executed.
I use and AMSCOPE and wish the movement holders and parts trays had more equal height (elevation) from the work surface.
I think you’d probably have to make your own in order to achieve that.
What about movement holders that are made of hard plastic with movable pins?
Well, personally, I’m not a fan of them because they’re a little big for my taste, but they usually present the same problem because the pins are too high over the movement. Those are typically used for holding cases with the movement inside when you’re removing a screw down back.
@@watchrepairtutorials Good point. I’m just starting out and it was a low cost (cheap) alternative to the Bergeon 4040. But I’m learning that cheaper isn’t better in some cases.
I’m surprised by this solution. However, what’s more surprising is that the movement holders are designed this way to begin with.
Well, it seems to be a common design but for me, it just doesn't work
@@watchrepairtutorials I feel the same. It doesn’t work for me either. I’ll try this on one of my cheap, brass movement holders. I was meaning to file the edges anyway, so I’ll do this too.
Yeah the Chinese movement holder is just not finished properly
This is definitely an option IF you are having issues with them.
That would have to take me 30 hours at least!
Lol The file work best.