WoW Needs a New End Game: This is IT
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Welcome to MarcelianOnline! In today's video, we're jammin some new ideas for a very necessary NEW end game mode for World of Warcraft! It’s been a very long time since we’ve been doing the same things over and over: dungeons, raids and pvp and since War Within will introduce delves, we have some fresh ideas for wow 2024 gameplay :)
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I just miss the times when you had green items, then got rare ones from Heroics and then epics from either Normal or HC raids. Currencies were just Valor and Justice points and it was so easy to understand. Now it really is a mess for a casual player. The last time I trully enjoyed PvE was in Cataclysm I must say
I like Raids and Dungeons as endgame :( But yea, other fun activities are nice when you're a bit burnt out of those.
Your proposal of that Champion's Crucible sounds good, and it could be similar to the Veteran Arenas from Elder Scrolls Online, if you're familiar with that, those were pretty fun and challenging.
Don't forget recolors of abilities, something normally reserved for the old glyph system.
i really like this one! especially with the hero talents this needs to be a thing somehow
I really wanted a blue flame mage
@@erivanjunior9368 Frostfire, yo
Love this idea! Would be cool if they made it work with the follower system too.
i would prefer good dungeons and good raids over another layer, which may cost dev time for the other parts, and a better story/campaign
Wow really needs a graphics overhaul though. More 3D textures on armor and the environment. That should be the endgame reward lol
Dunno how much they can push the existing engine for that :)
Do you play in 4k?
Who cares about graphics
Wow will never move away from its graphical style for two reasons.
Stylized art is timeless, it never goes out of style.
Secondly, the main target for Blizzard is to have as many people playing the game as possible. Majority of the player-base likely have Dudu pc’s. Sticking with low poly models is the best way to include a wider audience.
All the unreal tech demo’s look cool, but they would never play well, and the game would likely die pretty fast as a result.
@@frenchdream330 a lot of people. You may not but a lot of people do lol
Cosmetic "only" means that it will not exist for me, and others like me.
Where do you get the ilvl for this 5:30 ?
For something to not be mandatory, you don't need to completely cut the player power, just make it optional.
The Horific Visions were a good example of endgame content. You couldn't get the max power from the first try. I had fun learning what to do to be able to complete it for maximum power reward.
Nice idea, I like it. I wonder if it could combine with the Pandamonium progression, i.e. you always start the dungeon series at, say, level 10, and as you go through you level up, gain skills and abilities (the combination of which you can choose) to face stronger enemies. Kinda reminds me of the LoL progression as you play through a game, and resetting to level one at the start of each new game always feels refreshing. There's definitely something here. I also like the idea of non-solo BUT not forced-5-man. I have a couple of friends that would love this style of content, but wouldn't be able to do it unless we found another two? Flexibility will knock it out of the park. Here's hoping.
I want some challenging open world, non-instanced end game content (on top of M+ and raids). World bosses that are actually challenging. If I have bad gear and play poorly, I should die several times when fighting a world boss. Difficult elites that require more than just having a tank, to kill. Special world quests that are about 3x more difficult than the current group world quests. Not all content needs to be "accessible" for all players in terms of the difficulty.
Agreed! I got tired of doing the same 8 dungeons for 4 months and afk in valdrekken meanwhile. The open world is beuatiful, but no reason to be there
7:53 Wait, what animation is that?
this will be okay. but it lacks adventure. We need each floor to have some kind of puzzle aspect or map design aspect. So we are moving through a dungeon that changes. Think of something like this. Random map/layout and tile. you'll be placed into a place with 3-5 bosses, maybe a treason room hidden somewhere through a puzzle. No timer, but still a challenge key system for greater reward chances. Everytime you go in, its ENTIRELY different.
Amazing!!! So excited for this, I really really hope they will implement this in the new expansion. Theme fits the whole Hero thing very well if you ask me! Please please Blizzard takes notice!!!
I need the path of exile treatment. Let me do the end game loop I want
I like that idea! It would be a good addition with what they currently have
I dont want a new endgame, i just want more and faster content and faster seasons. At leadt one new dungeon per patch, more zones and also things like delves. The content is fine, its just not enough
kewl and you have time to finish all and play all day 😂😂
That is your opinion. Me, for example, i'm tired of M+ and raids and WoW needs something new for the rest of us who are just not stuck in the past.
@@sylaros9346 I'm not stuck in the past, I'd enjoy new things too. I just think theres no need to remove things that work well and some more things to do would improve the game a lot. I love WoW for great casual content, good complex classes, loot grind and demanding group content. As long as that's still there, I'm up for almost everything. But M+ work fine for me, Raids could use a bit of improvement
@@stabiloviclegrande9813Ypu will still be able to earn high lvl gear from m+ and raids. They are just adding more content to earn the same type of gear in a different way
@@aimless9 I know and I like that, the idea proposed was to REPLACE them with another endgame, what would have been pretty terrible. If it evolves over time its fine
This is IT.
"We all float down there..."
I was with you until you said "not soloable". Personally, I'd want a solo healing challenge mode so I can work on the skills I actually care about (I never did the Mage Tower or MoP challenge modes, so I don't know if they had that).
i would love to have a vision of nzoth nightmare stormwind/orgrimmar back
I really hope Delves can deliver a fresh solo experience
10:15 A new patch has to bring better gear, otherwise why bother?
You having full Mythic gear is not invalidated with LFR, since you will have a huge headstart to do harder content, while others will have to farm LFR for weeks to get on your level.
I liked everything up to the part where it isn't solo. I agree with everything you said. In a perfect world, that would be sick and that could open more possibilities, but we are talking about WoW here. In a game where boosting is so prevalent, it eliminates the point of showing off your completion when others can carry you through. It is why I stopped playing league. As Diamond elo is full of boosted players or players currently boosting duo queue with a GM/Challenger level player. Maybe I would be on board with solo and group modes where the absolute best is earned solo for integrity sake.
Boosting already ruins a lot of the M+ pugging for me. You know...that 3k rio dude in your +23 party that doesn't know boss mechanics and flames everyone... yeah, he earned that legitimately.
I think small dungeons are more fun for endgame. I don't like the messiness of raids. I haven't been in a raid in years. as far as cosmetic stuff...I think that is what would keep me hooked, personally. I would like a version of the original pvp paladin art that Samwise did way back in 2004/2005 or whatever. unfortunately the warriors got the paladin colors and paladins got completely gold armor with no other colors and it was bleh. but the models were cool. we need an updated version of that.
Didn't they have this in MOP? That mode where you can earn the "proven" title for your role. Then they had the crazy weapons cosmetics from the challenge modes (still some of the best in game). There should be some sort of one player challenge thing based purely on skill. It's really the one thing the game totally lacks in end game. They should take all the one player stuff, consolidate it- add a menu where you pick your challenge and then modernize all that content.
I just had a brilliant idea. Receive the loot first to encourage you to finish the endgame content or leave and don't complete it to have the loot taken from you and re enter for new loot.
If the best is made as end game. Which isn't for World of Warcraft. But gets it perfect for one expansion. Its going to kill itself by the next for trying to be better than the previous. Using Mana is very bad because its going to be depleted to zero and would have to repeat that game style of fighting and using up your Mana and replenishing it all. Which could take some time because there is too much to gain. So, that you don't deplete in 5 minutes. Just to sit down and recovering your Mana for one minute. Kalonline has already has done this and its bad to do in a game. As Runescape can have unlimited runes but combat runes has to be bought or made and limited. But, can buy or make thousands from essence in the mines of essence. So, you can plan your excursion for a hour or more with magic combat or for other skills that are not creatures or monsters. That are not combat runes but are specially for abilities of magic.
Boy, "the guy is not that smart with his accent".
Or every season a new challenge like magetower or old challenge mode. Would be interessting and something to do if youre not in mood for m+ or raid 😅
I mean this literally just sounds like dungeons with no adds. Multiple boss fights you can't do solo. The worst part is it doesn't reward any player power. Then why is it endgame? Endgame to me implies improving your character's potential. Thats why you do dungeons and raids, to get stronger. You learn the fights better and do better numbers tighten your performance the whole thing. If you are tired of doing the 300th pull then just don't do it. At that point you probably don't need anything out of the raid anyway. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find m+ to be fun. I play with friends and with randoms and some of the most fun dungeons have been the ones that go to shit and one player leaves and you still end up four manning a +20 and really proving your skill with other people. Its great. They've done a lot to alleviate the feeling of grinding the same dungeons and the same items throughout an expansion and if they continue to tweak it I feel like m+ could be what sets wow apart from all the other mmos. I'm looking forward to delves as well. Can't wait to see what they cook up.
All in all if they did do something like this it would need to be soloable imo. You can group if you want but if I want to sit there and challenge myself on content that doesn't reward any player power (aka they could make it way harder), then I want to do it on my time and not somebody else's. I think however that just making it hard combat encounters limits design space by a lot, which is why I'm interested to see what delves offer
Take the roguelite gameplay of Torghast but use Legacy Raids as the setting for boss rushing. Would be insanely fun. Only "chore" parts of Torghast was forced grind for player power and repetitive aesthetics.
i also think that if wow had more core endgame content variants, it would give them more room to design mythic raids a little bit simpler and easier. the reason i say that is because i think blizzard is scared of people being done with content too early so they tune the difficulty level to be steep enough for players take more time to progress it. if there was like 2 more end-game cornerstones like M+ and raids are, people could engage raids a little more like M+ (meaning ; for gear and weekly rewards), and still have more things to do. players could choose what content they enjoy most out of the 4 (or 5 if you're a good PvP player) End game Pillars, and be rewarded accordingly.
Post from Hungary lets go!!!! and yeah ohmygosh THE MONK ONE!!!! the last 2-3 expansions we had not so good sets....but this one man..... #1 !!
Im all for stuff like this, just have it drop several months after the new raid/dungeon season so when things start getting a little stale, more content!
Hmm, I really don't like Tomkek's Judgement set (and his workflow is too slow). The HotS one is glorious though.
But did you count the polygon count? You can't just compare models between two different games without counting polygons. HotS needs to show 10 players at a time max, while MMOs have to show hundreds of players at once.
Every Fabius bile (all 27 of them) clone of mine just wants A chirurgeon back set. If we had just A hint of true warhammer40k the base would likely add A couple million new players
show this to asmon, we need more views. great job marcelian
destiny is a great example of the cosmetic endgame focus
I’m totally done with raiding for 4 month and doing the same contents over and over and over again. My most intensive expansion had me pulling more than 100 times on ONE mythic raid boss trying to beat it. It came to a point where I felt like I’m going to work AGAIN, after getting home from it. Please give us a more casual option where you are able to get the same cosmetics or rewards, it shouldn’t be a must do for players, rather it should be a players choice.
So a slightly different Brawler's Guild but with more rewards...
Yeah honestly ilvl can only get you so far. We need transmogs, things to collect, ways to spend money (guild housing?), more toys (hopefully toys with lower cooldown), RP related stuff (also goes hand in hand with transmog, toys, housing). Challenge modes like the mage tower. Jumping puzzles, puzzles.
Things not related to chasing a neverending player power climb.
Maybe unlock newer animations for our classes. Maybe different colors or themes for our spells similar to warlock green fire. essentially class skins.
I like your ideas, but i want all of that COMBINED with lootgrind and dungeons and raids. I love the wow content, i just want more and maybe more diversity with extra challenges line u explained
WOW has so much potential man. I think first thing they need to wit raids is make them more like ff14 ( less trash and instantly respawning at boss). make rewards feel MEANINGFUL. Have challenging content that feels MEANINGFUL
Totally agree, that should be what they strive for in present end-game, we just feel something is missing!
If raids in WoW become as easy as in FFXIV, most of us, raiders, will leave the game for sure... That game is holding your hand like a possessive mother and is too dumb easy...
ffxiv are just boss arenas, no sense of scale or place in the world, no immersion so no thanks
Yeah I actually hard disagree. I don’t want boss arenas. I like feeling like I’m attacking an enemy stronghold. I would be in favor of a summoning stone at a check point. For example in the current raid after you kill the second boss you get a summoning stone at that central point.
@@swordos615 enjoy the 10 min run backs
I would kill for @Tomkek judgement set
Good torghast would be nice
That guy who's making those armor concepts is a god there could be endless possibilities for insane armors for everyone I've seen his work many times and yeah Heroes of the storm armors and mounts are so cool they leave me speechless and we still have those vanilla pixels as racial mounts for example which is ridiculous
@TheJeffSux perhaps haha
Cool idea! What worries me thou is this would steer the game further away from being an actual MMO.
I will always be salty that my OG vanilla HWL set became available to everyone after a time. >.
The new endgame need cool skins PLUS gear, i dont want play m+ or raid for can play the new form of endgame.
I think more m+ dungeon, more transmogs from raiderio and titels for not only r1 or so 0.1%, 1% like gladiator in pvp but for pve and so on
I think this is the perfect time to finally pull up contentwise pvp to mythic. Pvp is left over since cata. All the pve players eating well since mop. But PvP players are starving.
I loved mage tower in legion and still enjoy it in timewalking. WoW does need a new end game. Torghast was horrible except the boss rush they added in at the end, that was pretty cool.
Is this something that is coming in war within?
Torghast felt like the ultimate form of snack-able content this game needed when it first dropped - would have liked this content to have been handled better.
Dude... those tier set concepts from Bálint Cservenyi look dope AF
I want the updated Judgment set sooooooooo bad! Blizzard is slacking.
i agree with cosmetics being one of the best end games
just look at other games like warframe for example
So like the hardest PVE mode in FF 14?
I like the idea! :)
Anyway what prople say..it wil Work...looking at gw2 or ff14 wonderfull idea as endgame +
I love thisw channel because it makes me dream about a better WoW that I would love to play...but the bad part is that this cool idea will probably not happen ever.... and this mekes me real sad. And just for adding in this ideia, would be very nice if the armors and weapons dont have race/class restrictions. Some armos that are Orc only would look really fucking nice in humans, same for some Paladin sets in Orcs etc. You can already simulate that in WoWHead and the game already broke the lore by allowing everybody to be Warlock. Idk why these companies dont watch community videos and implement our ideias, they would profit 2000000% more if thet do that.
The real endgame for me is going back to play WoW Classic/SoD because it felt more fulfilling
ye ye, healer tier list season 4 now! pls uwu
“Sometimes” lol
So basically Decent from the Division 2
well wow ascension have best end game systems
I'd do this
Lost me at making it group content, hard think it should be solo
Goated vid actually.
sounds cool. blizzard is giving a bunch of reasons to re-sub lately
How about they copy GW2 where we have lots of stuff, old stuff too and ALL of them have space in the game. You can farm old game mechanics, you can do anything.
hmm, so you basically suggest raids for cosmetics:))) anyway, raids are the peak of every mmorpg and i think it should be this way
so torghast basically
Easy, they made Guild not working.
No massive raids.
Before to have 40 people onle for a raid was A MUST!!!!
All aspects was combined.
Social was great, why?
When you need 40 people to play together. YOU MUST BE POLITE AND FRIENDLY.
When you do that, you got new friends.
Friend you meed friend of your friend high chances that he will be your friend too.
So more people were happy about communication. MUCH less toxic environment.
RMT. we all know that novadays that is reality...
Mithics/ Raids etc etc etc boosts.
Now nerd with wallet could just swipeswipe and got bis gear...
Its easy and difficult at same time.
Dungeons, raids, and rated PvP should all have been optional progression paths not the end all be all of the entire game. They catered to the wrong part of their playerbase and basically killed the entire genre doing it. It's sad.
Gatekeeping mounts and epic cosmetics behind high skill or max ilvl will not work well with 90% of the player base who are casuals.
Maybe for some but Mage tower was a massive hit and had a crazy high participation rate. I remember farming gear specifically just for the tower and some of it was pretty time consuming. Not saying everyone will jump for joy but I bet people would give it a try.
@@PainCheeZe Cosmetics are nice, I just dont think they should be locked behind high achieving things like max ilvl or 3K rating, etc. Because the people who play the game are mostly casuals. It has nothing to do with how successful Mage Tower was or not; I'm not talking about the motivation part of people wanting to grind solo content for cosmetics, but mostly for the gatekeeping part.
@@sunboyplus you are saying "will not work well with 90% of the player base" but at the same time "It has nothing to do with how successful Mage Tower was or not". So Mage Tower proves that it WILL in fact be successful with most of player base, how is it that "it has nothing to do..."?
@@alexanderrudavka700 I just try to picture a casual player wanting these cosmetics and yet being unable to get them because (example) there is a 3K rating required or having AOTC etc. It has nothing to do witht he Mage Tower itself but the gatekeeping from the said requirements. Not everyone can get 3k IO or AOTC, and since this was the suggested method in the video, I believe it's not a good idea.
The best stuff shoulden’t be given to the entire player base but should be accessible to the entire player base. Mythic raiding isn’t accessible for everyone but has some of the best cosmetics. Its not gate keeping its just a get good incentive thats solo driven
World of Warcraft needs to be ended after this expansions and should start a new world of warcraft 2. with completely new storyline, new world new classes and much more. that will be wow saver
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The gear upgrade system needs to go. As WoW gets older more and more people want or have to play casually. We need to go back to the old simple days of Normal and Heroic gear. None of these confusing gearing systems that push casuals away from raids because they don't want / can't do the grind.
WoW raiding back in the day use to be more of a chill social gathering with friends rather than a irritating sweatfest. I want those chill days back... with no addons required to play the game.
The story needs to be fixed, and dungeons and items need to have hype around them again. No one cares about the lore behind the dungeons or game anymore( me included), and I’ve definitely tried.
I love mythics + don’t you dare to eliminate them. Do something else if you don’t like them.
did 3 runs. closed it and never opened that shit pirate crap again. - and imagine if blizzard havent scrappe all the things they tried and created over the time, which never amounted to the state they wanted it. they could easily recreate all the old tiersets and update them graphicalwise, and like you said, take items from HotS etc. but they would rather focus on items for the moneyshop.. cause.. money
Really bad idea. Just a worst Torghast.
Bring me back Horrific Visions, Withered Army Training and Vault of Archavon and that's it.
I want Delves , I like Delves as long as they have some in every zone from starter zones to end game zones...just like ESO. That's how it should be done..the new Follower dungeon feature is great..they need to expand that to Heroic dungeons and have it available from level 15 instead of end game only..wasting time waiting for a dungeon que to pop up then for someone to decline is a pita
Sounds like MMOs aren’t for you. Go play Skyrim or something
So just more mage tower then? Lol
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I ermmmm... appreciate your point
@@MarcelianOnline Hahaha. Very nice. 👏 Thank you.
Warfronts would be great if they were treated like an arcade game, with WoE keeping track of players' progress, rewarding efforts and with a hall of Fame at the end.
I like m plus
"it cannot be soloed"
and you lost my support for the idea
so close
People still like raids and dungeons.. you dont need to remove them in order to put in something new
One small flaw with this system, the world first raiders will clear it real quick and put up videos on how to solve it thus making it trivial. And yes everyone will watch those videos.
How did WoW players become so vain that they think transmog should be the end game? Transmog shouldn't even exist. It's not content.
Am I sick of raids and dungeons? Yes, but I'm more sick of transmog and this obsession with vanity.
what are you smoking bro?
Ill rather stick to the raids and m+. :)
I mean, they will still be there :/
sorry your idea is just torghast
wow community is waaaaaaaaay to naggy for any new endgame content. and let's be real: half of you youtubers/streamers will jump on the hate-train to get that sweet sweet drama and clicks. i get why people see the need to do that, but it still hurts the community as a whole and makes it toxic. this being said: the system sounds nice on paper, but i feel like it hits too close to torghast
Challenging content with cosmetic only rewards sounds terrible to me. If it didn’t at least give crests or whatever the current expansions equivalent would be it would just feel like a waste of time in my eyes. I farm transmog and mounts when I’m bored and don’t want to focus on actually challenging myself. I want an actual reward from actual challenging content, and that means something I can actually use a feel a difference from, not a silly hat.
Seems like any other bullshit that will be left to die after one expansion, sorry.
If one day half of these ideas are implemented in the game I will subscribe again…wow stopped being an mmo a long time ago and became just an e-sports game 😢 Blizzard's focus is solely on balancing and tweaking the classes for a single "competition" objective, ignoring and forgetting the remaining players with other, more casual types of tastes, content that can be found in a real mmo, not in wow anymore…😢
mythic + is enough for me if it's with people that know how to play, mythic is great enough if they also add raid items into it or just separate the loot table, you cannot bring raid items into mythic (it instantly unequips them) and backwards you can't bring mythic+ items into raids, the endgame right now it's ok, it just doesn't work for the casuals, i am at this point SEMI casual, i couldn't fully gear all my 12 classes to max ilvl this season as i did in every season, mostly because they changed valor to these dumb ass tokens that now you also have to collect, with the valor i had time and it was easier to grind 1 char to max ilvl, as Dragonflight was in season 1 it was just perfect, i don't need cosmetics, the plunderstorm was a total fail, couldn't go past lvl 5, mounts are really not important anymore since you will use only 1, the 1 that flies , has dragonflight and works everywhere, i lover the enchanted faye dragon from the store, it was the only mount i bought, guess what, doesn't have dragonflight, so i haven't seen the mount since the beginning of dragonflight, the changes they make are quite poor, the whole delve will be good to sub-par gear alts and they will lose all the interesting hype they have rn, i'm good with mythic, since i play all 3 roles and i play all the classes it never gets boring
If they remove m+ then I will stop play haha
If you spam dungeons more tan 5 times ( minus timewalking ) YOU, yes YOU, are the problem, not WoW/Blizz. Dungeons are great, as are raiids. But if you are grinding them for an extra 4ilvl then thats on you!
So I am allowed to only play it once? Is this per week or per day?
Thank god you are a yutuber and not an actually developer...
I hate cosmetics acting like they are a reward. How about spreading out the best gear in the game through all the different parts of the game.
No matter what they do, you not gonna like them. Most of you don't like anything because you are miserable.
Oh but love is all around tho :)
i mean, you are kinda right, it does not matter what they are doing, there will be a group of player who won't like that gamemode or change, but instead of just not playing it or don't use the change, the keep on flaming and talking shit about that. Normally you just say, oh i don't like it, and thats all, but no, they all spitting on it
Feels like much of the reaction they got for Plunderstorm?