Can Bogner Ecstasy 3534 do Soldano SLO-30?
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Matched the two amps to within a tiny margin. They still feel SLIGHTLY different, but for all intents and purposes it's a tie. No extra components/effects required, it's amp vs. amp.
The most difficult part was that the SLO is quite dry and tight, but has a LOT of midrange harmonic content. So it sounds a lot less compressed than it is, very clear-sounding with just enough grease. Really tough to match. The Bogner wants to be looser, but the Blue channel is quite tight and aggressive.
To me the Soldano sounds more like a hot rodded Marshall. The Bogner sounds more like a Bogner. Bogner amps have a certain characteristic tone about them. Both sound great, but different.
Dang, another fantastic demo. Ideal two amps to be comparing. The Soldano sounds incredible, as does the Bogner. I’m the mix the Soldano probably wins for me, but for my style, what I like, and what feels good to me…in hand I might prefer the Bogner.
Great video, sounds amps and playing!
As you say: "it's a tie" but I prefer the Soldano tie 😎
Wow, that's incredibly close and thanks for doing this. I was gonna buy the Bogner, and BOY IS IT CLOSE, but yes, the Soldano has a more focused Marshally type sound, and Bogner sounds a bit more like itself. It's more crunchy than the Soldano, but I kind of like the slightly more scooped sound of the Soldano by like half a point.
Initially, I sold the SLO30. I wanted the flexibility of the Bogner. In the the end, I sold the Bogner and bought another SLO30 (Snakeskin this time!)
both sound amazing...I just scored the 3534 its fantastic...getting a reverb pedal soon to dial in the clean....one thing about Bogner, he gives you a great clean channel that is useable live situations....great little amp...on and there is still the red channel which quite frankly can get nuclear....holy chit
Don't forget BOOST. It's way better on the Ecstasy than the Shiva IMO. Kind of like a 5-channel amp.
@@elvisgeardemos yes I own the Shiva....it may be re-homed soon.....the boost even works on the clean channel..
Well this demo didn't do anything to cure my GAS for the 3534. I have a Soldano already and a Splawn too. I just want an amp that does the Fendery clean, the Plexi type 70s and 80s and can do the modern High gain midrange grind this seems as close as I can get under 2 grand and while still having a tube amp.
@@mcnabb1975 Mesa Boogie has best clean channel from my experience.
Thanks for posting this! Have the 3534 & love it. Will add the SLO 30 soon. Great comparison!
Thanks for the comparison and great playing. According to my ears it isn't a tie, the Soldano takes the prize here.
I'm a fan of both companies but my personal choice would be a Bogner Shiva.
Both..... Both is good.
Soldano for the win
Nice demo! I got to a/b these two at GC in Nashville. Ran them first through the Bogner 2x12, and then the Soldano vertical 2x12. I ended up taking the SLO 30. It just checked every block and sounded a tad more aggressive and dynamic in the eq response, more metal favored. But I still want the Bogner 3534 bad. Just an awesome sounding amp. I’d take the blue channel by itself and call it a day. Red was also awesome, but that’s where the SLO OD edged it out. The Bogner cab sounded better, although combing both was stupendous. Honestly, the only (non-modded) amp I could put up against these two is a JJ-100 for pure tonal satisfaction.
Thanks! I also have a JJ jr and I agree with your comments.
Very close! I think what makes the most difference is that the SLO has much higher voltages in the preamp section than the Bogner; seems like Reinhold prefer lower voltages there. That's why you have to crank upper midrange and treble on the Bogner to get close to the SLO sound. On the other hand, it makes the Bogner a bit "mellower" sounding to begin with, and it can make it easier to dial in a broader range of sounds.
Possibly! Definitely the Ecstasy is known for a “Woody” tone. It is very versatile, though.
@@elvisgeardemos What does a woody tone mean? Thanks
@@chasingtone5748 Great question! As I understand it, it’s a low-mid resonance. As opposed to a cutting high-mid resonance. Can sound dark or muddy. But the amp is quite clear, so you get more character that can sound rich instead of muddy.
@@elvisgeardemos Thank makes sense. Thanks
Soldano just sounds better to me. But both sound great.
Man both sound great. Is a 3 way shootout between the SLO30, 3534, and JJ Jr in the future?
Thanks, and yes
Interesting comparison, but since both amps are similarly expensive, I'm not sure of the point. I mean, if I was after the SLO sound from an amp, I'd just buy the SLO for a couple of hundred bucks more... Honestly though, I found, to my surprise, that I liked the voice of the Bogner quite a bit more, at least at this level of gain.
I had to choose between the two amps. Want the flexibility of the Bogner but the tone of the SLO also.
Nice , a lot closer. Which do you prefer to play through ?
I love both, but I generally prefer more flexible amps. I would say that the SLO is an awesome recording amp, but the Bogner is more fun.
So here is a twist, can the Soldano sound like the Bogner? 🤔
The SLO sounds like a SLO. The Bogner has way more range.
Sounds great. But as there was no lead playing at all. Which one is better for leads?
Both are great. But with the 3534 you can kick on the red channel, so you can tune it for a lead channel. You can boost either amp up front in any case, so kind of a tie there. Really the best tone for lead is the one you can hear, so the midrange focus of the SLO would be very good.
did u have to dime the presence and treble on the bogner to get that slice? on the pictures it sure looks that it needs to max then out to achieve some upper mids to compare to slo 30
surely am thinking which one to get
Yes, though you can also boost 2kHz with an EQ. The SLO really does slice. But the Bogner does a LOT very well. Far more versatile.
Great vid! How does the bogner sound at low volume?
Thanks! Like all amps, it doesn't sound as good at low volume as it does at high volume, but it is certainly as good as any at low volume and better than most.
What is that rhythm *chugging* starting at 0:27 in? Is that from a song or something homegrown?
Wicked Sensation
The SLO sounds more saturated, the Bogner sounds a bit more open but also a little modest, almost as if the gain is 20-30% backed off.
Fair enough. I went to great lengths to get them saturated as similarly as possible. Harmonics, sustain, attack are quite similar. They just saturate a bit differently. The SLO makes harmonics in the upper mid that are very difficult to duplicate.
@@elvisgeardemos Yeah this was in no way a critique towards your dialing in, more just a general observation about their behavior. Was a good comparisson.
@@lordgraga Thanks, and no worries. Just letting you know that I found it quite difficult to match the SLO. It really has its own thing going on. You are right that it sounds more saturated.
@@elvisgeardemos great demo bro ,can u get any feed back from SOL?
@@satchrules101 I play loud. I can get feedback from any amp.
Hi, just wondered which amp is louder in overall live volume?
They are equally way too loud
What speakers were you using with the two amps?
Torpedo Live with Ownhammer Mesa Traditional 4x12
ya mon
What cab and speakers do you recommend for the 3534?
Really depends on what you want to do with it. I think a 2x12 with a greenback and a V30 would cover a lot of ground. I’d stick with something that has some upper mid focus as the amp tends to be dark. Probably nice with creamback 65 in a 1x12 or 2x12.
@@elvisgeardemos Thanks. I have a 2x212s 65 Creamback's in a cab and just can't get the bite you are getting.
@@chasingtone5748 Put a greenback or an alnico gold in it. Or two CL80s. It will bite. The c65 is a more diffuse harmonic generator, not very much bite. Great speaker, but better for adding space to a small cabinet than adding focus to a big cabinet.
@@elvisgeardemos Makes sense. Thanks
"but at this point it is a TIE" - well the SLO comes in snakeskin tolex, that kinda settles it, no? 🐍🤔
I think the soldano sounds just slightly better but I’d rather own the bogner
Me too
Give me 10 minutes with both and an good eq pedal, you wont be able to tell me which is which
More difficult than you might think. The Bogner is SO dark.
@@elvisgeardemos Not with an eq in the loop it dont have to be
@@elvisgeardemos The real problem with the bogner 35 watt is noise level.. Many of them are terribly noisy