Did house, techno and grime music start with these women? | BBC Ideas
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 28. 08. 2024
- When an electronic music studio was established in Maida Vale, London, few at the BBC knew why it was there. But experiments in sound in that very studio completely changed how music was composed. Daphne Oram and Delia Derbyshire's research paved the way for electronic music - and inspired everyone from The Beatles to Aphex Twin.
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This is great. Sadly largely forgotten.
The peak of the Avant Garde
My favourite female electronic musicians are Mira Calix, Björk, Ann Shenton of Add (N) to X, and Laurie Anderson.
Great to learn about these amazing women, pioneers, thanks!
Well known among synthesizer music fans. Derbyshire's Dr Who theme was amazing. Even more amazing when you find out she had to do a lot of it using magnetic tape editing. Speaking of magnetic tape editing, Bebe and Louis Barron did the amazing soundtrack for Forbidden Planet, also using magnetic tape techniques along with using electronics built by Louis. Bebe did the composition according to wikipedia. So there's another woman pioneer in electronic music.
Pierre Schaffer
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Daphne Oram and Delia Derbyshire, the unsung heroes of electronic music, we salute you!
absolutely wicked
Proto-Boards of Canada, proto-Public Service Broadcasting. Wonderful, wonderful electronic sounds!
Absolute pioneer
Wow! I never knew this.
You guys ought to interview jakojako. She's a brilliant artist, a dj from Berlin. You'd be surprised how much alike the work of these women is. Would be such a cool comparison. Decades later the spirit lives on â„ïž
Rally good.
This unfortunately was one of the last things I shared on Mira Calix's Twitter page (before I got rid of Twitter), a pioneer female electronic musician in her own right, before her untimely death. She liked me sharing this and even retweeted it. One of the Warp originals. May she be remembered.
The bit at 3.34 was used on a David Holmes track
Thankyou
It's a bit hypocritical that the BBC are now happily cashing in on the tremendous influence these remarkable composers had, but it was the BBC that was undervaluing their work, not giving them any credit, praise or freedom at the time and ultimately driving them away with their musically very narrow-minded and sexist attitude. Delia was a genius at tape manipulation, but when they got the Synthi 100 in they forbade her from using tapes and told her to use the Synthi's sequencer instead, but that is an awful and complex sequencer which just couldn't do the things Delia was doing with tape.
Not so much cashing in as recognizing their history. Probably all long-lived institutions do this, or should.
3:32 that's a track made in the NatLAB by Tom Dissevelt and Kid Baltan, what does it have to do with the BBC Radiophonic Workshop?
Brilliant stuff
Well done.
Ok so a few things about this. Firstly while the BBCâs radiophonic workshop was an interesting tidbit of music history, the most prolific member was a man named John Baker (his track festival time for example has been sampled by future sound of London etc). Somewhat ignoring him here is slightly deceitful.
Claiming the BBC radiophonic workshop had any influence on the creation of House in Chicago is incorrect. House was invented by black musicians in Chicago, who were influenced by black American music and then got access to cheap drum machines and Synthesizers from thrift stores because no one else wanted them. Incidentally that music got played at a club called The Warehouse, hence the name House Music. They almost certainly were unaware of any of the people in this video.
Chicago house then inspired musicians in Detroit, who were additionally inspired by Motown music (as Detroit is where Motown was based and Mad Mike Banks etc were actually Motown session musicians ), additionally Kraftwerk, books like Future Shock and their surroundings were important influences. Again, it is highly doubtful that Juan Atkins, Derrick May and co were into this music at all.
This video is interesting but the information is incomplete and the titles suggestion is historically inaccurate. So no, they didnât influence or were in any way the start to the creation of either Techno or House.
Wrong title...should be..."Women Invented Techno and Grime Music". Number one on that list is Delia Derbyshire!
The Doctor Who theme is perfect. It was written by a wonderful composer called Ron Grainer, who wrote many superb Television themes. Though he rarely gets mentioned these days his work is well worth checking out.
Much of what we know about technical sound manipulation was from an earlier time than is portrayed here.
Ondes Martenot (1928), Messiaen... anyone?
It is easy to see that there is a lot of dishonesty about the BBC inventing stuff, and busily rewriting history.
For the moment, the truth is still out there for all to see. As they say... If the BBC say it is raining, you had better look out the window.... BBC Ideas, indeed!
Dadaism goes further back to 1920âs
No. What a stupid question.