Vocal Cord Swelling Checks: A Simple Way to Detect the Early Signs of Vocal Injury
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2014
- Vocal cord swelling checks can help prevent a chronic vocal injury. The swelling checks, which are a pair of short, simple vocal exercises, help you to monitor the health of your vocal cord mucosa and detect the presence of any possible swelling, which could be the beginning of a potentially more serious vocal cord injury. By performing these checks twice a day every day, you can hopefully respond quickly to any warning signs and avoid the need for treatment down the road.
In this video, Dr. Bastian explains more fully how vocal injury might occur, he introduces and demonstrates the two swelling checks he recommends, and he discusses the long-term strategy for incorporating these checks into your daily routine.
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Oh poor thing at the beginning! I'd cry so much!
Sawvvy Ruins what?
0:40
Millies, fuck right off! You might think it's funny but if you earned your living as a singer or actor (or teacher), yes, you really would cry if you seriously damaged your voice.
😢
@@thewomble1509 What. Are you sure you aren't overreacting? That was obviously not sarcastic some people do speak like that.
I had a complete loss of upper register and I haven't talked for 4 days, now my ceiling is E5. Thank you!
WOW.. That's impressive.
🙏👌👌👌 that’s amazing.
Really happy for you that’s so awesome 😇👏🏽
Nice 👍 How did you do it? I kind of need help since i think I lost a huge octave or something and I don’t know what to do.
Soprano
Finally I know what's happening with my voice from this video. I told even professional singers that my voice hurts after singing and I feel as if there is a veil on it. At it's worsts I will try to hit a note and another will "bounce". I am surprised that so many people I asked couldn't tell me what that is. Thank god we have the internet! This video is extremely informative.The bad news is that my vocal cords seem to be damaged. The good news is that now I wont push them thinking "I just need more practice".
Hey did they get better
I know when I try to transition into falsetto it goes straight into whistle register it’s annoying
Hey I’m a bit worried, Bc ever since I woke up this morning my voice has been very tingly it doesn’t hurt but it’s been tingly, and idk if there is something wrong with it or it’s natural or if it’s gonna be part of puberty
@@itsjarcia9151 Wdym mean by tingly
@@brightsideimperfection9740 same since i go through puberty, i think its been several months now and im scared huhuhu
this guy is saving my life
did it work??
Im 2 seconds into this but thanks for making me watch this further - bc the first example is just like what i am going through
@@Proudtobe404notfound yes im fine now
@@Larry_Diamond when the swelling goes down will your voice be how it was previously?
@@drewisashrink6545 yes
this helped my anxiety so much. my voice is fine for now
Yeah same for me😰😰😰😰
You’re not alone
uff same. hopefully it stays the same.
I traveled from Canada to Chicago, USA to see Dr. Bastien in 2010. In Canada, our waiting lists are so long, often we don't get a chance to see the doctor before it's too late. So, I crossed the border and saw Dr. Bastien to help me with a swallowing disorder I was experiencing. Dr. Bastien was so good. He gave me a full examination, scheduled a swallowing test at the hospital for me the same day and then met with me and reviewed the results, again all within the same day. I couldn't believe how good his care was compared to what I experience in Canaada. I am so thankful that he sees international patients because timely care is everything when someone is sick and needs medical treatment.
That faint voice at the beginning sounds almost exactly like my mom when she tries to sing something. It's like the pain you experience when your dearly loved dog or cat dies. I'm here because I hope I'm not headed there.
Introduction 00:12
The Voice's "Clothing" 00:52
Mucosa 01:35
Preventing Injury 02:30
Designing the Checks 04:39
The Checks 05:38
Long-term Strategy 09:35
Conclusion 14:57
I have undamage voice
Thank u
A week before an entrance exam to music school, this happened to me, unfortunately, due to some misuse of my voice (ironically not singing, but too much talking at a dinner party). I couldn't get an appointment with an ENT, but the next day I had a lesson with my voice teacher. I told her I wasn't feeling well.She thought I was just not breathing correctly, or that I was tense, and she kept urging me to "sing out", until I said enough since I started feeling fatigue shortly into the lesson. She just couldn't take me seriously because I was able to phonate anyway, but it was horrible, just like in this video. I'm going to send her this video just to show her that this is a serious issue and not an issue of technique. Vocal professionals need people like you to educate them like this. Thank you!
know your voice a lot
dont abuse it
This is what my teacher told me to. It’s sad. She thinks I’m just paranoid and sabotaging my voice, when really all I want is to learn to sing in a healthy way.
I wished you all the best.🤍
That’s crazy, I would think that’s these vocal coaches would learn how to do this or do sow actually studying and research on Bacall cords and talk to doctors. That’s what I would do if I were a vocal coach cause I ain’t tranna mess up nobodies voice.
Give this man a raise!
Such a nice comment! Thank you so much.
Hi Dr. B. Thanks for doing this. It was brilliant of you to do so. Folks, I’m a voice actor by trade. This man actually IS my vocal Dr. in Chicago. He’s brilliant, gentle, and saved my voice.
You are helping give my life back! I do not know what I would do without singing. Overuse has me swollen just enough and I could not figure out what was wrong. These checks help me monitor things! This is a great video!
So glad to hear you are getting back to vocal health and the joy of singing!
Thanks for your good comment. Swelling checks allow every singer to establish a personal "baseline" when they first become aware of vocal cord swelling checks. This baseline can be determined, no matter what the voice type, singing style, and whether the vocal cords are normal or already damaged. Then, going forward, you can monitor to make sure that baseline is either stable or improving, and not deteriorating. It allows one to know when they have "overdone it" and created even subtle swelling. It would permit one to know that existing mucosal injury is resolving, if the baseline is improving (meaning the "initial mucosal ceiling is rising, semitone by semitone). For persons well-versed in expected range for all of the various voice classifications, it can be used as well to compare with the "group" to which they belong.
Laryngopedia What's the name of the part of the throat that can make a tone, but can swell if you sing too high?But the swelling goes down and its hard for an ent to detect where the problem is because the swelling went away?
what are common causes of injuries? I am young 21 years old, I drank a lot in my first year of college about 12 drinks a week of alcohol basically every week. (most of the time not in one night, over the course of a week like two or three in one night or just one) I did that for a year and a half, and then in my second year cut back a bit and now in my third year I drink only one drink a night and often only 5 to 6 drinks a week. I also smoked cigars for three years (about 10 to 15 cigars a year. I didn't inhale) and lately over the last 4 weeks I have had a sore throat. it has gone down a lot within the last week (i barely feel any pain if not at all) but my larynx sometimes chokes up. I will be talking or singing and if I sing or use my voice in a certain way I get this very unpleasant choked up scratchy pain in my vocal cords and I cough for a bit and it goes away. in my regular talking voice this is much more rare but if i speak in a certain way (normally opening my throat right up) that is when it happens. Can you help me figure out what this is? will it go away? I have seen doctors and they sort of brush it off as just a viral infection but it has lasted a while. not much pain but i get that choking feeling when I use my voice a certain way and I have a decent amount of phlegm. Thanks!
Laryngopedia I've laryngitis and I feel fullness In my throat are my vocal cords swollen
@@sirmarquis7701 the vocal chords.
And if the swelling went away it means it went away and its not a problem anymore
@@blackridgeproductions2738 when you go get it checked do you also mention aboutvthe alchool and smoking? If not then tell them. If yes then you should probably get and chest X-ray and make an allergy test !! If ypu have done those and they come back as negative then i think the reason should probably be the smoking and the alchool (considering you dont have any other diseases whether they are inhereted or cronic diseases)
The alchool and the smoking affect your voice tremendously much . Thats why singers never drink alchool because it totally ruins your voice. As for smoking the particles of the smoke (whether you inhale it or not) get stuck in your respiratory system, more like your larynx (upper throat) and make breathing and singing more difficult because air cannot pass freely in the airways. Also the pleghm is because of smoking . All those cigarette particles, and all the bacteria that they gather builds up the pleghm. And the alchool also decreases the immunity system which means that more bacteria will come inside your body. The pleghm is the way your body fights the bacteria that enters. So the more pleghm the more you have damaged your vocal chords, your airways, and your immunity system.
I dont want to scare you but if you continue smoking and drinking not only will you loose the ability to sing but you will also are gonna be at a high risk for lung cancer!
And especially now at this times when you can also get corona. So please be careful. Take care of yourself and stop smoking
The most scientific vocal check on CZcams.
Fantastic video help! Doctors and even other professional singers couldn't help me beyond saying "rest the voice" and "take these steroids for a few days." Yes, these were part of what I learned from this video but BEYOND THAT, I got all that I needed to reassure myself (I was freaking out lately) that I could heal, and learned about tools to monitor and care for my voice going forward. I am a trial lawyer and a singer as well, so I am in the 'overdoer' category by trade and choice. THANK YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN, doctor! I'm sharing this video with many others who I am sure will be grateful that someone out there actually cared enough to post online HELP without a doctor's visit.:)
Very kind of you. And all the best for your voice!
Thank you so much for providing me very informative vocal checking!
My voice drastically changed early this year after I joined an amateur singing contest. Never did I hit notes no more .
This was probably one of the best most detailed and solution-oriented videos I have ever watched! thank you!
Useful advice, particularly for the panicked singer suffering allergies hoping their voice still loves them.
It does.
the best video I can find on youtube so far, thank you very much
I'm a teacher and a singer. This is so helpful. Thank you!
Thank you sooo much! You are super clear and the information you are sharing here is very precious.
Clear for the moment but I will be implementing these every day twice a day... thank you very much for this FREE and hopefully preventitive remedy,and enhanced mindfullness thank you indeed Dr Bastian
The shade of this video having an Xtina ad before the actual video.
Very useul for checking n protecting our mucosa n vocal cords.Thank you so much.
Thank you for this educational video. I better understand how to now check my voice after injury n how to preserve it by checking regularly.
Thank you! I had laryngitis 4 months ago and my voice has never fully recovered. This explanation has been great.
Evie K how is it now?
Did it get better?
How is it now?
How is it now?
His is it now?
Thank you! I've been worrying about vocal injury for a few days so I'm glad I found this! Fortunately my vocal chords are fine :)
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whay did you do?can you share?
Excellent presentation. Thank You!
This video is a lifesaver, thank you so much
Incredibly valuable info, thanks doc!
I really appreciate your time and effort to make this vedio, your way of educating people is wonderful and, I myself learn a lot. Now I can improve my singing.
I really have seen it depends so much on tension in the throat, tongue, jaw, or poor breathing etc. But for experienced vocalists this is very interesting
Awesome! Thanks a million! Great video! All the best from Buenos Aires!
Thank you so much for this! I have been searching a long time for this information
This is more than extraordinary! I like the addendum at the far right corner! The voice science of this video is incredible. The doctor shown in this video seems highly intelligent
Thank you for sharing Doctor
thanks Doc for great video that help me understand and care for my voice.
A very big thanks to you sir♥️ at least I'm relieved watching your video.. I've been worrying for about a week because of my voice...😞😔 I can't sing properly...but thank God I found your video ♥️ God bless you..
Thank you so much, and glad to hear about your friend.
Doctor please help iam 21 year old boy my voice is not deep I feel bad is like lady what can I do please I felt bad people make funny my voice
Very informative and helpful. Thank you!
I really like this video because it seems to applicable. I know I can really remember to use these simple exercises on a regular every day basis! Great Job, Sir!:) God bless you!
Very interesting video. Thank you
Thank you for your question. I was perhaps unclear there... This comment about athletic event is in the section about having detected a change for the worse in your swelling tests and reviewing the past 12 hours for an explanation. I was suggesting that a person might say "Oh, I was at the soccer game (and did a lot of cheering for my team). That might then explain why swelling tests had deteriorated as compared to baseline.
Doctor, I have had Covid in December 2023 now we are end of April 2024, since after Covid, I lost my singing voice, my speaking voice is ok but lower than usual. I am waiting for a specialist to look at my vocal cords. I am worried, will I get my voice back? I don’t quite understand cause English is not my first language. I have to sing Happy Birthday twice a day for 20 seconds and O only. That’s it, don’t do any vocalizing like the others suggested. Thank you in advance for answering.
I always come back, I love this!
He reminds me of Robert California
Abby Orr 😂😂
Who ?
"Everything... Is.. Sex.. Jim."
OMG... It so does!!!! LMAO.. I knew there was something about his ways but didn't quite know what.. You have just broken the windows wide opened... hahahahaha
AMAZING!!!
Tilted head and.. Everything is sex, Jim.. hahahahahaha
Robert would talk this Doctor out of his job and take his CZcams channel
I absolutely love the vocal checks - I have 2 singing students with nodules at the moment and will be going through this with them. Thanks so much for such excellent work!
Wonderful! Thanks for the kind words. Hope that your students find the checks to be helpful!
hi im 15 and a singing student myself and i was just wondering are your students able to sing the same way they did before? have they got the nodules removed and been able to sing the same way they did when they did not have these issues? or have the nodules just disappeared and all is good again? thank you
Valentina Ribecco I know your question is addressed to Chip, but just for some general orienting information:
Swellings of short duration (and swelling tests) resolve within a day or two. Nodules of reasonably short duration may take several weeks or months to resolve. Chronic nodules of long duration still need therapy to prove that they are indeed stubborn, and tend to require microsurgery. In each case, provided the person with the nodules is sufficiently motivated to do what it takes, voice is expected to return to normal (with rare exceptions).
Great tips! Thank you!
Excellent Explanations
Thank you so much, it was very informative.
The fundamental approach to diagnosis is History, Vocal Capability Battery, and Motivated Examination. What the patient tells you, what the voice tells you, and what the larynx (vocal cord visualization) tells you. The problem is that each component needs to be fully and skillfully applied. When a diagnosis remains unclear after applying this “Bastian” Integrative Model the fault is not the model; it is instead that it has been incompletely applied. For example, the clinicians do not understand the phenomenology of the voice - its capabilities, limitations, and aberrations. Or, they examine the larynx but the resulting images are what I call “far, fuzzy” rather than “close, clear.” What you need is a precise and complete diagnosis. Only then can you devise a plan for recovery. I’d look for another opinion in a nearby city, but maybe ask in advance if they use the integrative model. If this draws a blank, keep looking....Sorry to hear of your trouble, and all the best!
Thank you SO MUCH. I have been dealing with voice cracks and breaks, had extreme troubles with higher notes, yes, m an aspiring singer but haven't been able to do anything bcz of my voice breaking or cracking. I recently even joined a singing class, my teacher was impressed with everything else but my voice would break above middle C from C# to E above it i gain control again in mixed voice. I thought its just register change break n i need to learn to transition but now i see its not normal. My teacher too said that the cause is NOT lack of practice etc but perhaps my spine issue (i have it..) Later i tried vocal compression exercises and it worked very well for temporary period of time like right after the exercises id see improvement but later it'd fade away. With this test im sure now that i have some sort of issue in my chords. Staccato and the song, in both, in higher notes my voice would break and a note higher than demonstrated in staccato, my voice just wouldnt come out. And throughout the whole check routine, id notice lots of air coming out as i sing it. As if theres a hole passage allowing air to escape from chords in one side while rest of the chords r working n allowing me to make a sound. At least i know the problem now its been years!
this is amazing! thank you so much for posting this.
Excellent! Dr...Congratulation.
Congratulations and thank you for such a clear and usefull presentation. Can I ask the name of the program you used to show your pitch variations? Thank you so much!
You are wanderfull, thank you this lesson, you help people a lot whith this
That's great. Thank you so much
Excellent video!
thank you doctor!!!
Thank you for this outstanding help.
I find you again lol
Thank you for sharing this.
My pleasure!
This is an excellent video! Thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you!
Thank you very much for posting it.
You're welcome
Very Helpful, Thank you :)
Damn I just found this channel and it’s great! I love how no-nonsense he is
Thank you so much
Fantastic lesson! Thank you very much. I definitely have Muscle Tension Dysphonia and this is very helpful.
You're very welcome!
Awesome video !...VERY helpful and informative...
Right now I'm having this challenge apart from relaxing d voice what else can for do for complete healing
I happened upon imitating something like a gibbon, a quick pitch slide from low to as high as possible like a sine wave sweep. Very unclothed! & Produced as cleanly as possible.
I use it as both a self check and a warmup/loosener.
Watching this, its makes sense to check on how the voice is with a consistent action but also help loosen it if the checks reveals bumps. 👍
very helpful. in college for vocal performance, my voice teacher recommended I look into this for my regular health
Thank you for your comment!
Thank you
You should do ASMR. This video itself is relaxing
Cici Sims I luv asmr. it really works.
Haha true
Really thank you for your quite good videos..God bless you
It's my pleasure
Wonderfully helpful! Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Thank God I bumped into this.. 👌
I sing twice a week, sometimes straight 3-4 days.. and the songs I sing are not the easy ones.. It is of high notes.. songs like She's Gone, songs from Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Scorpions, Air Supply and many others.. I cater to my audiences request.
Very interesting and informative!
Thank yoou sooooo much Doctor!
I shold have found you earlier T T now I stop singing for 5 years. But always want to sing again. What doctor said was very right it’s happen to me every sign. But I don’t have knowledge to know that I should rest.
You're a great professionist and a genius! Thank you so much for this really usefull video!
Thanks for your kind comment. Glad you find it useful!
BVI03 Your explanations are really clear, simple and exhaustive! I have a question : Can mucus increase the effect of a base swelling state, especially after eating, making the ceiling lower? What's the best way to clean vocal cords? (fumigation, inhalation, vapor relief treatment, gargling maybe with erismo etc...)
Markosoulman Thank you for your comment and inquiry. Mucus that is sticky and tenacious can make the swelling tests inconsistent. One might have a lowered ceiling and then find that only a moment later, after clearing the throat, the ceiling is improved. In general, however, "mucus" is not a major factor to interfere with the swelling checks.
If you think you are one of the few for whom mucus is a major confounding variable in interpreting the swelling checks, here's how I would proceed. First, do a brief acid reflux treatment trial. (Reflux is a source of thickened mucus, especially in the morning for some.) Check out the article "When Acid Reflux is a Rabbit Trail" (bastianmedicalmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/When-Acid-Reflux-Treatment-Takes-You-Down-a-Rabbit-Trail.pdf) to see how to do that trial. Otherwise, consider vigorous hydration and humidification and other supportive things to reduce mucus. Occasionally milk is a culprit.
(Please consider this informational only, and not medical advice. Don't act without your personal physician's input.)
BVI03 Thank you so so much, I really appreciate your kind answer and your detailed article! With more knowledge it's easier to check and take care of our vocal cords! And I'm going to try to do my best from now on! Thank you!
Markosoulman Great! You're most welcome.
thanks a lot sir ive detected all my problems on my voice im a performer i sing a lot of high notes but now i have so many lapses and offsets
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this is my channel im having hard time recovering my voice this pandemic
2 vocal chords swelling checks a day keep the doctor away
😂
I see what u did there 😂😂
But right Now
I see you everywhere are you like the theatre version of Justin Y?
@@lilianamorales490 lmfaao. Idk who Justin Y is but im a fan of a lot of things so yeah 😂
In what other videos have you seen me?
Thank you Sir, this is gold ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thank you! All the best.
Thank you SO much!!!!!! I had a night terror in which I eventually screamed very loudly multiple times. I will follow your instruction to rest my vocal chords and on a side note, my husband will thank you for the days of relaxed silence :-)
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thanks a lot sir
i thought i couldnt go higher bc i haad swelling but then i went into whistle register im so happy!!
This isn't for training or performance. It is for detection. It works for the injured voice, to monitor progress in healing (or not)...
Can over coughing cause swelling?
Can tea and voice resting help?
Is there a way to learn how to use the voice right and speak without damaging it or struggling to speak?
Thanks.
Most lucid .. amazing voice lesson.. narrative is so incredibly useful for budding singers..!!
Thanks for your teachings. I am not a singer, but have had hoarseness problems with my voice for more than a year now. I would like to ask you if it is normal to get some pain and bloating kinda feeling in the abdomen when trying to speak or when Ive been speaking for an hour or so....I even get some tired after a while speaking. thank you for your comment. I appreciate it.
How long does it usually takes to heal a chronic vocal damage ?
About 5 days, but if it is too
much, maybe 10 days. Don’t talk those days, completely rest ur voice
Great video. I really gotta try those vocal checks. I recently started getting very busy signing - 3 hrs a night for over 2 months now and about 2 weeks ago my voice just wouldn’t work. I had to cancel some gigs (first time ever) and took nearly 5 days off - where I barely even talked. I’m singing again now and so much more conscious of it.
Hey bro, quick question
Did u ever damage your voice
And if so did it heal?
@@Zizotron yes, my post here was the only time I damaged my voice. I took almost a week off from singing and I was ok to resume work after. And so far so good since then. I recommend singing in the right key for you, vocal warm ups, always being able to hear yourself well during performing (monitor,in ears etc) and sufficient sleep & rest
Thank you for information . I am in desperate help with disorder of vice . Lost half of my vice !!!
Very Very helpful, many thanks Dr, pastian, actually the main complaint of singers is that voice professionals are not aware in their exercises and corals
High pitch still sounds like Mariah. Just need a little rest and aqua.
Much love and music
Thank you for sharing 🙏
Thank you for this video. I am currently having problems with hoarseness and I live in a part of the country that gets smokey from forest fires. I have had vocal problems in the past (2010) and went thru therapy for nodules, but since that recovery my cords are sensitive to things like the fire smoke. Do you have any suggestions on how to overcome that? I have been drinking lots of water and staying indoors. I am a singer with upcoming engagements and it's really stressing me out thinking I might have a vocal injury and am asking swelling worse. I don't want to lose my voice.
Thank you so much for the knowledge.
How do you determine if it is a ceiling because of swelling/injury or it is just the limit of your range where it breaks to falsetto?
My voice usually feels swollen for a few months at a time after my allergy bouts during winter. I'm a high school teacher and a coloratura soprano but I have stopped singing for a few years now. You can imagine the stress all this used to put in my voice!
Hey! Quick question
Does it get better overtime?
The last few minutes of the video review the strategy of what to do if the swelling checks have deteriorated from your baseline. You rest (in a relative, not necessarily absolute sense) until the swelling checks return to your previously-determined baseline.
I'm not understanding this video. I know my throat is injured and not going to get better. It's been 7 months since I injured it. I have not seen any doctors because I really don't want surgery. When I talk I sound like I'm losing my voice and certain words I am extremely high pitched and sound like a mouse. It just gets worse and worse.
i never had a vocal injury even though im doing vocal fry sometimes in my gigs. it depends on you if you know your voice well. just have enough rest and always hydrated and never abuse your voice a lot.
For me I was fine for years but now suddenly i cant sing like I used to and get burnt out on one song thats challenging. Things can escalate quickly
Thank you so much doctor..I did both swelling checks and I came to know that I have same problem..please suggest some medicine to treat this..because I am a singer and I want to keep my throat ok.Thanks please help me treat this.
8:24 My singing is exactly like this if I don't force it by singing louder.
Thank you so much for such amazing advice. I need to ask, in minute 12:45 what do you mean by "athletic event"? Do you mean "vocal athletic event"? as in vocal exercise? Or just any running or general body exercise?