The CRAZIEST Cluster You Have EVER Seen! (Ford Escape)

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
  • This 2012 Ford Escape has 56k miles on the odometer.
    It's suffering from some MAJOR electrical glitches:
    1) The instrument cluster has a mind of its own
    2) Battery drains overnight
    3) A/C doesn't work
    4) Headlights come on on their own
    5) Can't open liftgate with the key on
    Let's take a logical approach and use the appropriate tools plus the patented "Keith Tap Test" to narrow down the source of the problem.
    Will parts be required?
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    Enjoy!
    Ivan

Komentáře • 468

  • @brynnond.6952
    @brynnond.6952 Před 3 lety +23

    I remember my networking teacher always stressing this to us in class. He always said “If something isn’t working check for the three c’s. Connection, connection, connection!!!”

  • @roberthickey1465
    @roberthickey1465 Před 3 lety +92

    Boy, that turned out to be a real cluster f**k ... Someone had to say it :)

  • @2aminitials
    @2aminitials Před 3 lety +18

    New drinking game - take a sip of beer every time Ivan taps on the car's dash.

  • @billkaczynski7709
    @billkaczynski7709 Před 3 lety +14

    I love the way Ivan’s mind works, he is always searching for the root cause of the problem! Plus knowing how to find and use the right tools to identify and solve the problems. He is definitely not a parts changer! Thanks Ivan for always putting the customers first.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 3 lety +3

      I appreciate the comment, Bill 🙂

    • @psdaengr911
      @psdaengr911 Před 3 lety +1

      I also like Ivan's generic methodology. But in this specific case the cause could have been identified and resolved without using computerized tools. Electronic components (not electrical connections to them) are rarely effected consistently and intermittently by gross mechanical movements or vibration.

  • @rafaelmarin1963
    @rafaelmarin1963 Před 3 lety +38

    This guy is an automotive genius.

    • @thetinpin
      @thetinpin Před 3 lety +2

      That's Ivan! I love this channel because I too love the diagnostic process.

    • @derwaldmeister3954
      @derwaldmeister3954 Před 3 lety +3

      No, an amateur. A genius knows that spray will not solve the problem and it will come back.

  • @WatchWesWork
    @WatchWesWork Před 3 lety +13

    Good fix! This is a somewhat common issue with the Ford Super Duty truck clusters from the early 2000s. They have two connectors and years of bouncing cracks the solder joints.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 3 lety +4

      Cool! So reflowing the joints makes them good for another 20 years?

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork Před 3 lety +4

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I've done two of them and not had one come back. But they never had any of the wacky issues you had, just various parts of the cluster would stop working.

    • @stevejones8665
      @stevejones8665 Před 3 lety

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I would Guarantee it will never come back for bad solder joints in the cluster, now that you have done a proper soldering job on those connections. Much better job than a robot at the factory.😉👍👍👍

    • @billmalec
      @billmalec Před 2 lety

      Guess I've been luck. 2000 Excursion and the only cluster problem I have is burnt out illumination lights. I'm not taking stuff apart and breaking things to fix that.

  • @rosebankalumni
    @rosebankalumni Před 3 lety +13

    Great no parts fix! My father in law has the 2010 version. Had a similar problem on a 2011 2500hd with radio's aux button. Turned off and on intermittently. Took it apart found and repaired a cold solder joint. Love your vids Ivan, I'm learning a lot

  • @TheCrazy243
    @TheCrazy243 Před 3 lety +7

    “Come on wake up” 🤣. I did that too when I try to solve intermittent problems. Amazing diagnostic.

  • @atrahasis3899
    @atrahasis3899 Před 3 lety +45

    You're clearly unfamiliar with Ford's patented DashTap(tm) switch technology.

  • @johnaclark1
    @johnaclark1 Před 3 lety +20

    I'd be willing to bet the same or similar fix would apply to that center display, as well. I was certain right off the bat the center display issue was separate from the lights on the dash. Nice work again, Ivan!

    • @dassme1
      @dassme1 Před 3 lety +4

      Ford has this problem in the factory radio where the display goes dim or out and will sometimes come back on if you smack it . Just a bad solder joint . I fix them and clusters for my customers . .

  • @ecaparts
    @ecaparts Před 3 lety +10

    Percussive maintenance fixes it, until it gets this bad!! I think the cluster was loosing the ground feed. The microprocessor in the cluster was finding a ground through the MS CAN High line causing it to pull up and taking the network down. Awesome find Ivan. Now you know what the problem is with the other display too!

    • @MTLeopold
      @MTLeopold Před 2 lety

      Yeah was thinking bad ground but that's not where I would have checked. Kudos to Ivan for checking it out thoroughly. I guess the radio was a symptom in a way, bad electronics.

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 Před 3 lety +7

    the planned obsolescence trigger has tripped LOL

    • @psdaengr911
      @psdaengr911 Před 3 lety +1

      Planned obsolescence is not funny. Its a major cause of global environmental decline. It was tripped for the electronics industry in the 1950s and its "technology" has now totally infected the automotive industry. This is encouraged by our government to drive consumption regardless of consequences, and a motivator for ever-increasing mandated "safety" equipment that has a exponentially declining return on consumer investment. If you believe that EVs will be less expensive for our society to have lower total product lifetime cost of ownership and operation, you will be disappointed.

  • @vwwrenchie314
    @vwwrenchie314 Před 3 lety +8

    New Ford idea..the Tap and see system...lol..way to go IVAN😎

  • @davidgilpin5200
    @davidgilpin5200 Před 3 lety +5

    Ivan, I've noticed (and repaired) several boards - in flat panel TVs, LCD displays, and other devices - that had cracked solder joints. It seems to have been a lot worse since RoHS lead-free solder rolled out in the 2000s. The cluster in that second generation Ford Escape rolled out - in 2008, right as the RoHS thing was peaking. I theorize that the board manufacturers hadn't quite worked out the kinks with the higher temperature solder flow on SMD board assembly... and that the lead free solder was harder (and more brittle). That combination isn't good for an instrument cluster that receives constant vibration!

    • @chrisfreemesser5707
      @chrisfreemesser5707 Před 3 lety +2

      I noticed when Ivan was reflowing the connector that he was using 60/40 solder. Methinks that with proper tin/lead solder that fix will hold up a good long time

  • @therealdjsynystr
    @therealdjsynystr Před rokem

    THANKS!!!
    I have been chasing a fuel gauge issue with some similar problems you show for a few years. I replaced the wires from the cluster to the pump and it worked for a day then back to issues.
    Yesterday, my wife's Escape wouldn't start. Nothing on the dash but everything else worked. So i got it towed here. In the meantime, I search youtube for answers. I ordered a lock module for next day devlier. Then I found your video. When the tow trucked dropped the SUV I popped the dash cover off and pushed the harness to the right. LIGHTS UP DASH AND STARTED RIGHT UP!!!
    I took out the cluster, resoldered the pins on the board, reinstalled, and now fuel gauge issues and other small issues are gone.
    THANKS AND GREAT JOB DIAGNOSING IT!

  • @petebrown6356
    @petebrown6356 Před 8 měsíci +1

    My 2012 Ford Escape is having cluster issues similar. Thanks for the video. My guess was something like this.

  • @sjn7220
    @sjn7220 Před 3 lety +34

    Yet another consequence of lead free solder. What was supposed to help the environment has only caused tons of broken electronic equipment to end up in landfills.

    • @moconnell663
      @moconnell663 Před 3 lety +3

      My car is pre-RoHS, and has had cracked solder joints. it's more due to thermal cycling (and increased dependence on PCB-mount connectors) than lead-free alloys being more brittle.

    • @sjn7220
      @sjn7220 Před 3 lety +1

      @@moconnell663 Sure, leaded solder can crack too, but as you said, the thermal cycling effects the lead-free solder far more due to its brittleness. Lead-free solder can also form whiskers over time (tin crystals) causing short circuits.

    • @RobertHancock1
      @RobertHancock1 Před 3 lety +2

      There are different types of lead free solder as well, with different characteristics. I'm sure that a lot of these issues are partly due to using the cheaper stuff.

    • @moconnell663
      @moconnell663 Před 3 lety

      @@sjn7220 That is absolutely true! I haven't had every system in my vehicle apart over the years, but one major difference between mine and this ford is that the PCB-mount connectors in my vehicle are all embedded in potting compound, there is no stress on any of the joints between the board and the pins, and the potting mitigates fluctuations in temperature (and whisker growth, if that were an issue). My failures have all been on goofy 70s-era relay designs that were still getting used in the early 90s.

    • @ckm-mkc
      @ckm-mkc Před 3 lety +1

      I had a 1987 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II pre-RoHS - every single one of the 7 modules on the car had cracked solder joints. I took out all the modules and the 2 1/2 DIN radio to reflow all the joints.... It's not a new problem and it's mostly due to either not enough heat when it was assembled (my RX7 was a victim of that) or not enough solder, like when you run parts too fast through wave soldering, which is what it looks like here....

  • @htownblue11
    @htownblue11 Před 3 lety +9

    Another strange one. I’d have charged him a diag fee at least. Great find on the medium Canbus. Resoldering is way above what most mechanics would do. Your clientele are lucky.

  • @atrahasis3899
    @atrahasis3899 Před 3 lety +37

    No matter what mechanics, engineers, or scientists might say, some of us know the truth. It's haunted. Search your heart, you know it's true

    • @Brainbaskit
      @Brainbaskit Před 2 lety +2

      Haha!!! "What are you trying to tell me??" "Who are you??"

  • @dogsplantscarsneatstuff176
    @dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 Před 3 lety +16

    Ivan you just sold me on keeping my old buick. One small break in the cluster causes mayhem. Sounds like a political cluster problem.

  • @Conetopiatv
    @Conetopiatv Před 2 lety +1

    2 Month Review, Was able to Order the Soldering Kit, Soldered all the pins like the guy in the video.
    He did a fancy job of it, Mine looked a little ugly at first, but was able to clean it up a bit.
    Put everything back together ( When you plug the connector in : Warning ) All needles will Start ticking and shaking, for 5 sec.
    The Bigger Needles will adjust , Small ones will stay the same.
    The RPM needle will automatically adjust 250 upwards, and the MPH will adjust 5MPH higher.
    So make sure when you put the needles on, it looks as if your 1/4th of an inch below 0 on both, as they will adjust 1/4th of an inch upwards landing on 0 perfectly.
    Removed Tire pressure fault light & Message
    Removed traction control light
    Removed Emergency brake light
    This Fixed my Rear view Camera
    Fixed passenger Seat heater
    A/c works now
    Headlights 15 to 20% brighter
    Power steering feels easier
    Brake Pedal is a little firmer
    Accelerator is noticeably more responsive.
    SirusXM radio Satellite 1 , 2 , 3 Available / works now.
    Can Open Rear hatch Door while vehicle is on now.
    Bonus: my battery isn't dead in the morning anymore.

  • @GlynRobinson
    @GlynRobinson Před 4 měsíci

    Love Ivan! I just bought one of these! 2012 Ford Escape Limited 3.0V6! 76K miles

  • @balbutie
    @balbutie Před 11 měsíci

    Ivan, i have escape 2008 and it has the same 5 eletrical glitches. incredible. I will try tomorrow. thank you so much.

  • @timm7885
    @timm7885 Před 3 lety +2

    Thats some mad soldering skills. If I tried that, several more lights would mysteriously be lit up. good work

  • @eacherenkeka
    @eacherenkeka Před 3 lety +3

    Excellent diagnosis! easy to duplicate but hard to fixed. Thank you for taking us to the root cause of the problem! I wanted to see the medium speed pin solder joints but it is hard to see with the camera! Great job!

  • @SalimKhan-gk1fh
    @SalimKhan-gk1fh Před 3 lety +2

    Good video Ivan I was shouting at the Computer screen first 20 minutes bad soldered joints! this is very common on the 2004 onwards models of fords in the UK ,Mostly causing non-starting, what I usually do is apply some mastic between the black plug connector and the cluster To stop the multi-plug pulling on the soldered joints, It makes the connector more secure and unable to flex , you should try doing this

  • @zeke112964
    @zeke112964 Před 3 lety +2

    My 04 F150 had a similar problem with the odometer and compass.....re-soldered the boards and everything worked fine! Also had to tap the cluster to read the odometer

  • @thedogbarber
    @thedogbarber Před 3 lety +9

    You never cease to amaze. 😊

  • @billziegmond4943
    @billziegmond4943 Před 3 lety +2

    Great diagnostic. Deductive reasoning works wonders

  • @antoniotorres2939
    @antoniotorres2939 Před rokem

    Thank you very much for your information,i had a problem with the instrument cluster(sometimes the lock light doesn't go off and the car wont start),i have never done this before(i am not a mechanic),but i did it following your instructions,i found cold solder in the connector pins now looks ok , thanks !!!

  • @randyohler7836
    @randyohler7836 Před 2 lety

    Done that many years ago. Tap and wiggle test. Always pulled the PC board and looked for cracks or burnt components. Fixed to many.

  • @jessikerz25
    @jessikerz25 Před 2 lety +1

    I recently inherited a 2011 Ford escape AWD 3.0L, however it came with these EXACT SAME PROBLEMS....dash/instrument panel lights randomly turn on and off killing battery, rear hatch not opening unless key is out of ignition, blinkers not working, and A/C not working suddenly. Then I decide to search on CZcams and what do you know, your video was the first one, and It's literally the same exact vehicle year, make and model and identical electrical issues. My husband is a diesel mechanic and mainly works on excavating equipment, however he has the SAME scanner that you have and used in the video, minus the picoscope, but that's not a problem as you have already diagnosed the exact location of the issue and I will be taking apart my instrument panel tomorrow, and flowing some solder into the pin holes of the connector, just as you did in this video because I am sure it's the same exact problem in my truck! I just wanted to share my gratitude for you posting this video. My husband watches your channel all the time, and he got excited when he overheard that it was your video! He usually gets annoyed when i bug him to fix my car all the time, so this time I decided to try and figure it out myself, via the school of YoutTube, where i learn how to do things that i have no idea about, but NEVER EVER have i gotten this lucky and found a video that could walk me thru fixing my issue, and every detail was the same and matched my issue EXACTLY to a "T"!!! I seriously cant thank you enough!

  • @bbogdanmircea
    @bbogdanmircea Před 3 lety +6

    As an Automotive SW Engineer, I was convinced that because CAN lines are differential, it is very difficult for the data to get corrupted, also there is CRC that ensures that if some bits get flipped then the message will be discarded. So it is really strange how this is actually happening in SW. I posted before the end of the video, so actually the CAN just disappeared. That 90 angle connector without any other bracing just pulling on the pins is for sure not the best idea.

    • @ecaparts
      @ecaparts Před 3 lety

      Because it’s a hardware problem...

    • @luukvideo
      @luukvideo Před 3 lety +2

      I don't think corrupted messages are causing the warning lights. I think the fact the CAN signal is missing the instrument cluster can't receive packets from the TPMS or other modules and shows the warnings. Same with the headlight module, no data from the switch will turn on the lights for safety most likely. You can actually see in the scope the data from the modules is still there only one CAN line seems corrupted

    • @bbogdanmircea
      @bbogdanmircea Před 3 lety +2

      Yes, this is what you usually do in the SW if you don't receive valid CAN data, you show some errors and you try to go to some error state or safe state.

    • @luukvideo
      @luukvideo Před 3 lety

      @@bbogdanmircea makes sense

    • @ecaparts
      @ecaparts Před 3 lety +1

      No error correcting can fix a MS CAN high line basically shorted to +12v. The cluster does a default error message display when the network is down. I believe the ground rail feeding the cluster is the cracked solder joint. That would be the only combination that would cause this. The internal microprocessor is finding a ground through the MS CAN high line causing it to pull up like that.

  • @cullenmiller8170
    @cullenmiller8170 Před 3 lety +2

    Great video and fix for sure. I thought someone installed a clapper on the medium speed network. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @josecondemarin9586
    @josecondemarin9586 Před 3 lety +3

    Great job you save ur customers a lots of money. Thanks for the video.

  • @johnmorrow1628
    @johnmorrow1628 Před 3 lety +2

    So now I have in my box of tricks. The Keith tug test and the Ivan tap test 😂😂

  • @philstuf
    @philstuf Před 2 lety

    Late 80's 300ZX dash controller issue all over again. As a car audio repair tech in the late 90's, we got SO MANY of these repairs subbed out to us for the same reason...

  • @kastooMcFry
    @kastooMcFry Před 3 lety

    No parts required! Love it. I think charging him for your time is fair but you can't really give I'm a guarantee. Should it happen again, he clearly needs a cluster so that's a separate repair, imo. Thanks, Ivan. Good process.

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. Před 3 lety

    Every time you hit that dash I heard the word 'cheap', 'cheap', 'cheap'. Nice job Ivan!

  • @normyanke2515
    @normyanke2515 Před 2 lety

    been there done that, cold spray in combination with pinpoint heat source could possibly track down a cracked trace, bad solder etc. Love watching, now that I am retired, this is entertainment to me, who else would binge watch these posts :)

  • @dosgos
    @dosgos Před 3 lety

    Free AC fix was huge! What an upgrade with the summer coming.

  • @Nfinitly5
    @Nfinitly5 Před 2 lety

    OMG! Thank you for this video. Bought a 2009 Ford escape limited. And had some crazy things happen where it will turn on to theft mode. So once you turn off the car. It won't turn on. I been using an object to keep the board functioning right. But I got tired of it and was ready to buy a new cluster.

  • @andrewmarkland9411
    @andrewmarkland9411 Před 3 lety +1

    More top forensics from CSI Pine Hollow. Good objective and patient approach. (Disappointing lack of Parts-Cannon action though...).

  • @markbren8573
    @markbren8573 Před 3 lety +2

    Ivan you are a genius! Great diagnosing skills!

  • @focusedelectronics
    @focusedelectronics Před 2 lety +1

    Some amtech flux would make that reflow super easy. Great job!

  • @davyarthurs
    @davyarthurs Před 3 lety

    A bad cluster could cause a no-start on some early 2000 Fords. Skills as always.

  • @frugalprepper
    @frugalprepper Před 3 lety

    The old Radio Shack 60/40 Solder. I prefer a bit of silver though 62/36/2. I thought I would never be able to buy it once they went out of business, but Radio Shack is back online and selling solder again!

  • @enricopolazzo33
    @enricopolazzo33 Před 3 lety +8

    I bet the other display issue could use some re-soldering too

  • @BillKristjanson
    @BillKristjanson Před 2 lety

    Classic! I had a chevy which kept running AFTER the ignition was turned off and the key removed. A good wack on the dash would turn it off.

  • @JustinBarger-qd5hs
    @JustinBarger-qd5hs Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you very much for posting this video! I have a 2011 escape that has been plagued with electrical issues and it took me months to realize that there was a problem with that exact connector above the cluster. I was having to jiggle this connector to get my truck to start and as it got worse i was jiggling it going down the road to keep the heat, powersteering, gauges and other stuff functioning properly. Its crazy how many important aspects of the vehicle are effected by this one little connector! My truck is broke down about 10 miles from home right now and i am going to go get the cluster and try my luck with resoldering it the way you did. Any tips for someone not accustomed to this kind of soldering would be greatly appreciated, Thank you again!

  • @misterhandy5121
    @misterhandy5121 Před 3 lety

    NO PARTS REQUIRED !!!!!! THE PARTS WHISPERER LOL !!!!! IVAN YOU ARE THE MAN !!!! COME TO NYC WE NEED YOU !!!

  • @jamesmatthews304
    @jamesmatthews304 Před 3 lety

    Ivan and Eric only two guys who try to save their customers money instead of running to the parts cannon. Ivans scientific method on the white board of knowledge and physical repairs are proved. Seems to love a challenge repairing plastic crap and resoldering from an engineering background it shows Ivans laudable skills!

  • @mhadlock78
    @mhadlock78 Před 3 lety

    Fixed this type of issue on late 90's Grand Caravans. Cracked solder joints cause the cluster to die. That connector should have some support other than the pins to the board.

  • @scroberts9316
    @scroberts9316 Před 3 lety +1

    Now that was a really cool case study and fix.
    Awesome job Ivan!

  • @jeffjankiewicz5100
    @jeffjankiewicz5100 Před 3 lety +6

    Outstanding Ivan! Happy customer, repair did not break the bank like a stealership would. Cluster was definitely NOT made in USA, probably China or Mexico using inferior solder. At first I thought center module, but when you tapped on cluster....bad connection popped in my head. Best part?....No parts required and a bonus...ac works now...lol. Stay save Ivan, God Bless.

    • @psdaengr911
      @psdaengr911 Před 3 lety

      The problem is physical assembly design by electronics-oriented engineers with inadequate ethical or general engineering education or training being asked to design for cheapness of manufacturing of a product with a 3 year planned replacement. The automotive industry's cash cow is not from sales of high quality products but repair and replacement revenue.
      The design selection of the connector and its attachment to save $0.20 on a hundred dollar assembly is why the connections failed. Flexible plastic with through "rivets" provide NO stress relief at all. Had this been attached with metal standoffs and screws and the harness supported instead of hanging freely, the solder pads could have been half the area, the solder could have been any alloy, and the board connection never failed.

    • @Spelter
      @Spelter Před 3 lety

      If it would've been made in the US, the car wouldn't have left the dealership.
      Don't think they made bad electronics because they are stupid, but when the super US giant is only paying scraps for it, I wouldn't give a shit either.
      When I buy my boards from chinese suppliers, they work always but cost a lot more than Jeep or others pay them for a board.
      That my friend is the result of capitalism.

  • @lylachristopherson865
    @lylachristopherson865 Před měsícem

    I just subscribed because you showed me in exact detail how to fix my 2012 Ford Escape’s Dash Shortage!!!

  • @IamDerick
    @IamDerick Před 3 lety +1

    Another quick check when you have the board out see if the cap cans are leaking. The dielectric crap that comes out will damage PCB traces. From the ones I could see at the angle you shot I did not see any of the vile goo. Good work.

  • @robertheim352
    @robertheim352 Před 2 lety

    Thanks, good isolation of the flaw. That connector has a lot of strain challenging those solder bonds - typical Ford issue. Simple strain relief of the PCB connector plastic body could keep the harness weight from challenging the solder. Looks like they added goop to the metal pins instead.

  • @bostedtap8399
    @bostedtap8399 Před 3 lety

    Great diagnosis and repair Ivan. With free AC repair!!!!!!
    Thanks for sharing.
    Best regards from the UK.
    John.

  • @lawrencebush2603
    @lawrencebush2603 Před 2 lety

    Very excellent diagnostic troubleshooting and repair.

  • @chuckmiller5763
    @chuckmiller5763 Před 2 lety

    I have a 2004 f150 that did this, I lived on 4 miles of dirt road, I finally found the problem and shoved a wedge of paper in there. It worked better, later removed the cluster and reflowed the solder joints. Still have it going, 12 years later.

  • @phillloyd8625
    @phillloyd8625 Před 3 lety +2

    Another amazing PHAD repair, well done Ivan 👍

  • @Drives31forhalo
    @Drives31forhalo Před 3 lety +1

    I knew right off the bat it was going to be a solder joint issue when you started tapping stuff to make it work. I've fixed so much crap by re-flowing solder joints it's not even funny. I've even fixed a sunroof module that wouldn't go forward unless you hit it by accident-ish. I couldn't see any broken solder joints, but I re-flowed them anyway just in case and it never had a problem since; and that was years ago.
    To name a few things I fixed recently: 3 ford radio displays, 1 Hyundai radio display, 1 kenwood radio amplifier, 2 computer motherboards, 1 TV power board, etc. all from just re-flowing suspect solder joints.

  • @thadmachia9873
    @thadmachia9873 Před 2 lety

    Ivan nice job I now know who I would want to diagnose my car. You do amazing work!

  • @williegillie5712
    @williegillie5712 Před 3 lety

    No need to ask about the charge. Ya dug a little deeper and found the bad connection. Repaired the solder and got the guy back on the road..The
    A/C was a nice pleasant bonus for the customer. I knew ya couldn’t show us a video without adding a few bonuses at the end. Ivan. Is it possible the a/c might be the culprit.? If the spike diode for the A/C clutch quit working and fed back into that connector it could heat and crack the solder joint.. Wouldn’t hurt to check it if ya get a chance. Nice work Ivan. I’m glad you were able to fix the instrument cluster. Not many mechanics would attempt that.

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 Před 3 lety

    I've only seen that problem a couple times. Most of the vehicles I worked on over a 30 year career from Jan 1987 until 2016 were 2011 and older.

  • @josephsfields
    @josephsfields Před 3 lety

    Nice fix. Way to keep at it. Glad the customer got his AC fixed in the deal.

  • @milesmahan
    @milesmahan Před 8 měsíci

    Mad props on your tenacity..well done ~!

  • @bcad4066
    @bcad4066 Před 3 lety +4

    That was a great fix. You save your customers a lot of money with your "Russian" repairs. Most mechanics would replace the instrument panel rather than take the chance on repairing it themselves. But you really can't fault them for that. Sometimes it's the prudent thing to do.

    • @mmichaeldonavon
      @mmichaeldonavon Před 2 lety

      I don't think, in a dealership setting, that you would be permitted to check for broken solder joints. Change the panel.

  • @Johndoyledesign
    @Johndoyledesign Před rokem

    My 2010 Escape XLS 4d has had the exact same problem for years. Thank you, much appreciated and grateful for this video. Liked and subscribed.

  • @ElectronicWorkshop
    @ElectronicWorkshop Před 3 lety

    Great video, I had a similar issue with a Ford Kuga ,the problem was on the Hi speed can,
    I measured the resistance of the can line and it showed 62ohms, removing the dash and soldered the connector cured this,

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 3 lety

      60 ohms is normal... What was the resistance after the fix?

    • @ElectronicWorkshop
      @ElectronicWorkshop Před 3 lety

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Resistance was close to 60 ohms about 60.25 I am lucky to have a good microscope, looking very carefully at the solder joints, i could see the poor solder joint

  • @DAZ_SR
    @DAZ_SR Před 2 lety

    I have an ESCAPE does the exact same thing in the shop. Watch the MS can, when the IC acts up the low side shows interference. The TPMS, brake and all the modules losing comm’s are on the Medium speed network. The IC is the gateway module translating both HS and MS can’s.

  • @robertmoura6336
    @robertmoura6336 Před 3 lety

    It seems that the cluster is the gateway to the whole vehicle, I had a similar issue with a 2014 Ford EcoSport, I like these type of issue to diagnose, it's challenging thanks for sharing

  • @peters1821
    @peters1821 Před 3 lety

    This is totally normal Ivan. Instead of touch screen Ford uses a new technology called tap screen. Great video btw.! Thanks for sharing!

  • @NewLevelAuto
    @NewLevelAuto Před 3 lety +2

    Awesome job as always bud !

  • @mrkttrdr2919
    @mrkttrdr2919 Před 3 lety +2

    this is the second diag I have watched today on a ford fix cause of crappy components, like i said on the other vid , glad i never owned a ford product, as always nice diag, tap, tap ,tap, tap

    • @GuyRWood
      @GuyRWood Před 3 lety +1

      Me neither. Cheap, nasty things.

    • @psdaengr911
      @psdaengr911 Před 3 lety

      It's not just Fords. Hondas (and most other cars) have had similar problems.

  • @gillgetter3004
    @gillgetter3004 Před 3 lety +1

    Just drive down road, smacking dash and knocking instrument panel. I had a 65 Ford that I pull out light switch and push down at same time, worked for years

  • @generaldisarray
    @generaldisarray Před 3 lety

    Great diag and fix. One quick thought, while I had the cluster apart I'd have blobbed some silicon carny goo, or even some hot snot, on those pins/the connector base to give it some extra support and prevent it from vibrating.

  • @1paultv22
    @1paultv22 Před 3 lety

    We always used to tell Ford owners that Ford stood for, Fix Or Repair Daily, or Found On Road Dèàd. They've always had electrical Gremlins. I had a 1999 mercury grand marquis and had to replace the IAC 3 times and the car had less than 100k miles. I can't count the number of times I had to tap on it with a screwdriver handle to get the car to start and idle. Needless to say, that was my first and last ford. Went with Honda in 2006 and never looked back at Detroit iron again.

  • @klaasklapsigaar1081
    @klaasklapsigaar1081 Před rokem

    Repaired a few European Ford clusters with the same defect. Often it's one of the pins in the top corners of the main connector. It's really easy to miss since the cracks aren't always visible, even under a microscope.

  • @AnnaWaipa-bq7dd
    @AnnaWaipa-bq7dd Před 9 měsíci

    Wow! I've got what seems like a parallel issue with a 2014 Ford edge. The battery dies quickly and weird stuff on the cluster, radio comes on with everything off randomly. Also a no start no crank. Weird how many seemingly separate issues can be interrelated thru the cluster. I'll check and reflow the solder joints and see what happens. Thanks for the insight!

  • @Graham_Wideman
    @Graham_Wideman Před 3 lety

    Hat's off to you Ivan on this one! Nice job initially playing with the symptoms to detect a pattern, then following that logically to the network schematic and the salient scope test. But especially good work tracking down the location of the intermittent connection which, as we know, can be the most elusive part! And of course, great satisfaction in repairing the PCB and no parts required. A+!

  • @PistonShack
    @PistonShack Před 3 lety +1

    That what my teacher at school said: "All electronic is a science about good connections"

  • @SuperDd40
    @SuperDd40 Před 3 lety +7

    It's probably the SVCM (sun visor control module )

    • @chrisfreemesser5707
      @chrisfreemesser5707 Před 3 lety +4

      I figured it was the CFMM (carpeted floor mat module) but then I remembered they only use those in Lincolns

    • @Spelter
      @Spelter Před 3 lety

      Guys, in these times, nobody could tell if you made a joke or if there is really such a module 🤣

    • @SuperDd40
      @SuperDd40 Před 3 lety

      @@Spelter The SVMC is accompanied by the MMCM (make-up mirror control module) ;)

  • @user-uu8cx6vu3x
    @user-uu8cx6vu3x Před rokem

    Awesome video, had same problem. fixed it right after watching this video

  • @vwbusguy1020
    @vwbusguy1020 Před 2 lety

    Love the birds in background

  • @DilanGilluly
    @DilanGilluly Před 3 lety

    My mom has a 2014 Ford Fusion. For the first year and a half it had a similar issue but was very random and intermittent. Would even effect the power steering and would make it take right turns on its own. Took the dealers that long to figure out that it was the remote start module that they installed when the car was new, it was spamming the network, and the car thought it was data from all sorts of different sensors on the network that was sending the erroneous data, to the point where it would match suggested input from the torque and wheel position sensor for right hand turns. Craziest issue I have seen in a car before.

  • @disgruntledfaerie
    @disgruntledfaerie Před 3 lety

    f it was me doing this fix, I'd let it go for diagnosis fee.
    The reasoning is twofold: You'll generate some goodwill. And since it's an Escape, you *know* it's going to break down again. Who else would you bring it to except for the genius that fixed your console for a hundred bucks?
    It's all about seeing when you can take that long view.
    Excellent video.

  • @additudeobx
    @additudeobx Před 2 lety

    Reseating connectors has fixed many an issue for me. Reflowing connector pins as well.

  • @likearockcm
    @likearockcm Před 3 lety

    Double bonus video !!!!!! I'm all giggly over here. Nice work ,Ivan!

  • @mmichaeldonavon
    @mmichaeldonavon Před 3 lety

    I would have been very wary of trying to get that cluster out - and apart! Great job Ivan. Really enjoyed this video. Thanks.

  • @PhilBourgeois
    @PhilBourgeois Před 3 lety +4

    Christmas addition!

    • @ryans413
      @ryans413 Před 3 lety

      Had that once all the lights just started flickering and flashing like a god dam Christmas tree. Turned out it was a bad body control module

    • @PhilBourgeois
      @PhilBourgeois Před 3 lety +1

      @@ryans413 my 2017 ridgeline does this to me goes back to normal after a drive cycle
      Probably some dorman part 😂

  • @TreyCook21
    @TreyCook21 Před 3 lety +13

    So... you charge extra for accidental fixes? That's a pretty serious fix to get the AC running for free.

  • @robbowell1072
    @robbowell1072 Před 2 lety

    Hey.... great video. have a 2008 escape many of same issues... battery drain, intermittent issues with cluster lights, battery drain... BUT the biggest issue is no AC - i.e. no power (I think) getting to compressor. Mechanic said I needed new instrument panel. Did not make any sense as I dont see the panel having any control over AC... but your video said that when you fixed the panel - it also fixed this gentlemans AC that was not working..... Mechanic wanted 1200 for new panel.... easy to replace or repair ... so was going to do it myself but wanted to get your take on the relationship between the panel and AC.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 2 lety

      It's on the same low speed CAN network 👍

    • @robbowell1072
      @robbowell1072 Před 2 lety

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Not sure exactly what that means but from your video I gather that there in fact is a connection relationship so by replacing the board - it could or WILL fix the AC issue - that correct - or you just cant know for sure? Thanks again for the insight

  • @davidrobertson5700
    @davidrobertson5700 Před 3 lety

    He said it's like a ghost, I have never laughed so much at a you tube film . Oh man I need to play pool with you

  • @Joshtheweatherman
    @Joshtheweatherman Před dnem

    Since I’m no good with the solder iron, I think I’ll just swap the cluster. I found a 2012 cluster for my 2011 for $30, so hopefully it’ll fix everything.

  • @ismarmeskovic
    @ismarmeskovic Před 3 lety

    no parts but knowledge required fix!great job ivan as always!

  • @williamwhite9767
    @williamwhite9767 Před 3 lety

    My old 2002 F150 has had two issues caused by solder connections. The overhead console quit working. The widely known fix is to resolder a couple of connections on the board. The odometer numbers fade away with the same fix on the intrument cluster, also a very common problem widely known.

  • @donalddesnoo5303
    @donalddesnoo5303 Před 2 lety

    Used to be tv tech saw this problem repeatedly at connections and heat areas as resistors💞

  • @hudzgh
    @hudzgh Před 3 lety +1

    ..and that is why your picture is on my wall! Kidding.....