Jamyang Norbu on GORSHEY & Echoes from the Forgotten Mountains #94
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Gen Jamyang Norbu la, thank you so much for standing up for Gen Lobsang Samten Tiny la issue on Gorshey. As you have mentioned that he is a masterful performer in our Ache Lhamo theatre. Furthermore he has been the TIPA's Artistic Director for decades and taught all the performing arts that is taught at TIPA. All together he has spend 45 years at TIPA and still teaching performing arts in Bay Area. This Gorshey issue is real and we need more TIPA former directors to stand up for this issue. Remember since 1975 TIPA started the world tour to educate the world audience that we are very different from the Chinese, whether it is language, culture and religion. Now today we need to teach our own Tibetans that our Gorshey is very different from the Chinese. Wake up and get real.
TiPA is only preserving U-Tsang Arts and Performance till now. Those who spend 40 plus yrs in TiPA just focus on U-Tsang and completely ignored Amdo and Khampas Arts and Performance. If u don't believe me look up urself old videos of TiPA. They named the Khampa and Amdo song, but the way they perform is far from traditional dance of Amdo and Kham.
Lhakar Gorshay is started by Khampa and Amdo that too from Tibet itself and u guys are jealous of popularity of Lhakar Gorshay.
Look around Lhamo Tsokpa in India and TiPA. Those Tsokpa can't recruit new members becoz of changing generation and unwellingnees to preserve all Tibetan Arts and Performance. Those So called Director spends 40 plus yrs in TiPA are arrogant and eats lots of public fund and donation.
Gorshay is catching up with new generation of whole Tibet and uniting Tibetan. Lhakar Gorshay gives the reason to wear Tibetan Chupa and traditional clothes. You should be happy of that, if u are Tibetan First.
@@Taphun-er8xv Sounds right, I agree
We need to more like Jamyang la, you are educated and most famous writer in our society,
Wake up my fellow tibetans before its too late!! The guy here isnt just an ordinary tibetan he is man laden with knowledge and experiences
Thank you Bhunchung lak for two decades I am confused where I’m belongs finally through your shows made me realized my true identity 😍❤️🙏🏻
Tashi delek Jayang Tenzin sir you have done good work for TIbetan youth congress in eightes and your magazine Tibetan Reivew was a great work thank you sir
very interesting. would love to hear more 🙏
Bhungchung la. you should focus དྲི་བ་ལྔ་། What ག་རེ། Why ཅིའི་ཕྱིར། How གང་འདྲ་། When ག་དུས། where ག་ནས། if you ask a question, you should explore it entire the show.
This man is one Top in the Tibet history ..........................
thank you to jamyang la, top historian and writer, for educating our people about the origin of our culture. We forgot what is our culture and we don’t research and we are not ready to learn and accept the reality.
Thank you so much for the seed you planted long before that we now live with the identity we have as well as have the chance to go through. The “The man with: Ocean of Knowledge” Thank you so much Sir
Thank you for such enlightening talk. 💯
Very inspiring 👍✌️✊
Very inspiring ❤
Thank you Gyen la for sharing your thoughts on Gorshey.
He hit the nail on the head, Chinese folk dance influenced spreading like virus but too late, everybody seems like enjoying including me it’s trend now
How long did study Chinese culture ?? So u telling kham and Amdo dáncese are not Tibetans. Dances ?? That’s what u saying ?
@@tenzinchoegyal4067 yes people are saying silly things stupid things to the gorshey whatever I like these days Tibetan gorshey it’s very modern dance steps and he should focus more on politics rather than gorshey.
Always wanted to hear from him.
Very good job 👍👍👍👍
Jamyang la thank you so much for your analysis of our original culture of Gorshey and music, These days many people were too much crazy over the Gorshey in the name of Lhakar but so regretted that the steps are Chinese influences style teach by many Chinese ladies, we have many ways to observe the Lhakar not by Gorshey!!
Gorshey from Tibet are superb very nice well choreographed nice steps I like it much much better than boring tipa dance lol!
You are true but now tipa people lots jealous
@@Tonny_108 yes tipa students and ex tipas are so much jealous on gorshey from Tibet omg such a shameful
Good 💐💐💐✌️
I recommended to purchase JN's book for CUL collections last July but no avail. Reminded them again. Now, it is on rush order, expected to receive by March 20th
We are proud of him👍👍👍
Next interview Danny Denzongpa plz 🙏
Bhuchung la keep up the good work
Jamyangla I am one of your ardent fans. I remember your meeting with lhasang tsering la, dr tenzin la and many others at japan home at TcV. I m sorry I do not remember the other names. I used to listen to your conversation from the window.
Interesting interview! I wish it was a little longer…
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Katre che Jamyang la for keeping the flame of nationalism withen us , while many in the name of persuasion of Bhudhahood have made Tibet movement as a self-preservation movement .
Kalsang la, I will really appreciate if you can provide timestamps to go directly to a desired theme of discussion.
❤❤❤བོད་པ་ཟེར་ན་ཁོང་ནང་བཞན་དགོས།💯👌💪
I got a couple of your books gen. Though I do not fully see the point in the gorshey criticism, I am beginning to understand that modernity can be done mindfully.
Tibetans shouldn't forget that Taiwan, aka Kuomintang, once had the same objective on Tibet's occupation as the Red Chinese. It is only recently that DPP policy has changed slightly and as far as I understand they have gotten rid of the “Tibetan and Mongolian Minorities” welfare office in Taiwan.
ཁོང་ག་རེ་སེམས་ཤུགས་ཡོད་ན་༈།གོང་ས་མཆོག་ལ་ཡིད་ཆེས་མེད་ན་གངས་ཅན་པ་ལ་ག་ལ་ཕེན་།།
Gongsa chok is God of compassion and love....your enemies undetstand only the language of guns and bullets
ལྐུག་་ཆོས་ལུགས་དད་པ་ར་དབང་རེད་
Freedom Tibet ❤
Jamyang Norbu la Kating che. Describing how our culture is important & also these days Gorshay or street dancing.
Just an old man with outdated thoughts in 21 centuries 😅
རྒྱལ་ཞེན་པ་དང་རྩོམ་པ་པོ་འཇམ་ནོར་ནི་བོད་པའི་ཆབ་སྲིད་ཀྱི་འཐབ་རྩོད་པ་གསོན་པོ་ཞིག་རེད། ཁོང་ནང་བཞིན་དཀའ་ལས་རྒྱག་མཁན་དེང་དུས་ཡོད་མ་རེད།
He is absolutely correct. There are bunch of people in Toronto. They think they know everything how to dance and all. Guys listen and learn. It’s good to preserve culture and all but in a right way. Not like you do everything you want. You guys are nothing in front of him. So learn
East or West Toronto Gorshay is the best💃🦸🕺🕴️👯
East or West Toronto Gorshay is the BEST of BEST. 💃🕴️🕺👯
༧ གོང་ས་མཆོག་ལ་དད་གུས་དང་་ཁོང་གི་གནང་བའི་ལམ་སྟོན་འོག་ཤར་བསྐྱོད་མི་བྱེད་མཁན་ཞིག་ཡིན་ཕྱིན་ ག་ཚོད་་མཁས་མདོག་ འཇོན་མདོག་བྱེད་ཀྱང་ སྟོང་པ་རེད་ རིན་ཐང་དང་བེད་སྤྱོད་མེད་པའི་ཅ་ལག་གོག་ཏོག་དང་འདྲ་
ཁྱོད་རང་སྙིང་རྗེ་ལས་ངན་ལྐུག་པ་རང་རེད་བོད་རྒྱལ
ཁབ་དེ་བླ་རྒན་ཞིག་ལ་བདག་གི་མ
རེད་
How to get that book!?
གལ་སྲིད་མཐུན་རྐྱེན་དང་གོ་སྐབས་བྱུང་བ་ཡིན་ན་སློབ་གསོའི་རིག་དང་ཚོང་ལས་སོགས་བཀའ་འདྲི་གནང་རོག།
དེང་སང་ཨ་ཧ་་དྲ་ཚུགས་ཀྱི་མཚན་མཐོང་བརླག་ཉེན་འདུག་པས་་་་ཡིད་གཟབ་གནང་ན་ལེགས་སྙམ
29:50 true 👍
30:35 💯% 👍
From now on tibetan should not mixed Tibetan dance with chines.If we keep mixing our culture,dress, dance with chines then soon chines will claim our tibetan culture,dance as chines.just like the chines are claiming Korean kimchi, Korean dress as chines cuz thousand years ago Korea mix there culture with chines.
True
So u saying that khampa and Amdo people dance these for 3000 years. So they are dances are not a Tibetans dances ?? Also how can tell that Goshe are Chinese dances ??
@@tenzinchoegyal4067 go and check chines dance.
@@tenzinchoegyal4067 go and check how chines are claiming Korean hanbok,Korea flag,japanes sushi,Japan dress as chines cuz thousand years ago Korea mix their things with chines.
@@tenzinchoegyal4067 I don't say gorshey is chines dance.i said is the chines will claim tibetan gorshey as chines cuz of similarty wid chines dance.so,from now we Tibetan should not mix tibetan culture,dress,dance with chines cuz in the future chines will say tibetan culture is chines.
another Big Problem with (new) Gorshay is nobody is singing-dancing like Puppets!
Coz they are kham and Amdo dances that’s why u don’t like it rite
ངོ་མ་ཡག་པོ་འདུག།👍👍
ཧ་ཡེ
Tibet hero freedom fighter pala
སྒྲུང་རྫིན་་ཧམ་བཤད་ཤ་རྟགས་་ཡིན་མི་རྒན་་ད་་
དྲི་བ་དྲི་མཁན་གྱིས་མང་པོ་བཤད་ཀྱིན་འདུག དྲི་བ་ཁ་ཐུག་གཏང་ན་ཡག་པོ་འདུག
Self trumpeter
The tibetan Amdo dance called "trendel zom" is so much mix with chines.its fine if we dance on that song like that cuz its already became choreography for that song.but frm 2024 on we should not mix tibetan culture,dance with chines.
You think tibet is only topa ! Is problem your small brain
MoMo is Chinese. Choemain is Chinese. U eat all 😅
@@choegyalkhan4494 i don't say gorshey is chines dance.i said is the chines will claim tibetan gorshey as chines cuz of similarty wid chines dance.so,from now we Tibetan should not mix tibetan culture,dress,dance with chines cuz in the future chines will say tibetan culture is chines.
@@choegyalkhan4494 I don't care about momo,chowmin,laphing cuz it's the facts that world people and I know those food orginate frm china and it's chines food.the tibetan dance,dress are originate from Tibet but it's have some similarity wid chines.so,the chines will claim tibetan dance as chines just like they claim tibetan land as chines.so,from 2024 we tibetan should stop mixing tibetan culture,things wid chines.
@@jisoo6992 for your kind information, UmayLam is living with PRC side by side. You can’t stop mixing and sharing of culture and lifestyle.
མཁས་པ་ཆེན་པོ་དེ་འདྲ་ཞིག་གི་མདུན་དུ་ དྲི་བ་གཏང་གིས་མི་ཤེས་ཤེས་མདོག་བྱེད་ནས་དུས་ཚོད་མང་པོ་འཕྲོ་རླག་བཏང་སོང་། ད་ཉོབ་སོང་། ཁོང་ལ་དྲི་བ་ཁ་ཐུག་གཏང་ན་གསར་བ་མང་པོ་ཤེས་ཡ་འདུག
གཏམ་བཤད་ལ་གོ་རྒྱུ་གཏིང་རིང་པོ་འདུག། ཡིན་ན་ལས་དགོངས་ལོ་མཐོ་པོ་རེད་འདུག།
བསམ་ཕོད་པ་་་བཤད་ཐུབ་པ་་་་་བྲིས་ཕོད་པ་་་་་་ལོ་ནས་ལོ་བར་འགྱུར་མེད་རྡོ་རྗེ་བྲག་ལྟར་རང་གི་ལང་ཕྱོགས་དང་ལྟ་གྲུབ་ཡོད་པའི་འཇམས་དབྱངས་ལགས་ནི་དུས་རབས་འདིའི་བོད་ཀྱི་དཔའ་བོ་རེད་་་་མི་རབས་གསར་པའི་སྙིང་སྟོབས་དང་ལྷག་བསམ་གྱི་མིག་དཔེ་རེད།།🫡💐🧎♂️💐🫡
འཇམ་དབྱངས་ནོར་བུ་ཡང་ ལྷ་གསང་ཚེ་རིང་ལྟར་མགྱོག་པོ་ཤིང་ལ་སྐད་ཆ་བཤད་ག་འགྲོ་རན་འདུག་།
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Why you are not interviewing Gen lhasang tsering?
His first interview was with Mr. Lhasang Tsering la
@@ngawangsonam3377 thanks 🙏🏻
Please do that you will get unbiased answer
A little known fact, Lhasang Tsering la was accompanied by Tashi Tsering and myself volunteered and joined Mustang. Of the three of us I was the last to return to India pending the threat of arrest by the Nepalese police in Pokhara. I am the only eye-witness to the arrest of late Lhamo Tsering la by the Nepalese Police and the subsequent dismantling of Mustang Chu Shi Gang Duk.
Who is this guy
ཉིན་དུས་་འཇམ་དབྱངས་ནོར་བུ་ལགས་དད་གུས་ཆེ་པོ་ཡོད་ཡིན་ན་ཡང་དེ་རིང་བཀའ་སློབས་ཡག་པོ་རང་མི་འདུག་ལོ་།😮
གད་མོ་རྐུབ་ནས་ཤོར་བའི་གདམ།
བོད་ནང་གི་མིའི་སྐོར་ལ་སྐད་ཆ་མ་བཤད་ན་ཡག་པོ་འདུག་་་
I like Jamyang la but he does not live by his own philosophy I feel.
འཇམ་དབྱངས་ནོར་བུ་སྐུ་ཚེ་རིང་།
འཇམ་ནོར་ལྟ་བུ་བོད་པ་ད་དུང་མང་ཙམ་ཡོད་ན་ཅི་མ་རུང་ཁྱོད་རྒྱལ་ལོ
བུ་ཆུང་ཀ་ཏ་སྔོན་མ་ཡག་པོ་འདྲ་ཞིག་འདུག་དྲན་མྱོང་། ད་ཡང་སྐྱག་ཚང་ནང་འཛུལ་བཞིན་འདུག མི་མང་ཚོས་ཁྱེད་རང་དྲི་མ་ཁ་སོང་ན་དཀའ་མོ་རེད། ༧གོང་ས་མཆོག་ལ་ཟུར་ཟ་བྱེད་མཁན་ཚོ་དང་རྐུབ་སྒྲིག་མཁན་དེ་ནི་བོད་པའི་སྤྱི་ཚོགས་ནས་ཚར་རེད།
Umaylam is entering to Chinese toilet 🚻. U will smell it too
སྐྱག་པ་ཟ་
I know you,Jamyang Norbu la, are quite an active writer in English about Tibet past and present.
Have you ever tried to write in Tibetan or have your books translated in Tibetan.?
The monk wolf Chitues are crying howling that there are books in Tibetan to prove that Tibet was an independent country. Moreover they complain why these books are not published .Do you think there exist really such books in Tibetan.? If you think so why don't you try to compile? Or do you think that these wolf monks howling in the darkness hoping that something will turn up. Then they would say "we told you so" you lousy English or foreign loving pumpkins .
Jamyang la, in my opinion there are no books in Tibetan that clearly prove Tibet's independence or non- independence in terms that the international audience can easily understand today.
To me it seems that we never bothered to record the political nature of Tibet in regard to our political status internationally
except some bits and pieces during reing of the 13th.Dalai Lama after the British Indian force marched to Lhasa in 1904.
What do you have to say or you want to remain silent? Normally silence is not your option.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Jamyang Norbu is not the same person that he used to be 20 yrs ago. He is very diplomatic and not transparent. Not his fan anymore
Lol you only like jamyang norbu when he talks shit about Kundun and samdhong Rinpoche for no reason. Finally he talks sense and you don’t like him 😂
@@Norbulhamo62 Jamyang Norbu is sold out💰💰💰Kudaks and Gaden Photang spends lot of their money to use this kind of people on their favour to brainwash illiterate patriots people. So that their position n power remain sustained.
Why don’t Gaden photang use their money for the welfare of Tibetans in exile?
་ཞབས་གྲོ་བསྐོར་སྐད་ཆ་དེ་དངོས་ནས་རང་གི་རྫུན་བཤང་འདུག་་་་་འབུས་གཙང་སོགས་ཞབས་གྲ་དང་རིགས་གཞུང་དེ་དར་སྤེལ་བཟོ་དགོས་ཁྱེད་དུ་སྐད་ཆ་བཤད་པ་རང་རེད་
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ཧཧཧཧཧཧ
འཇམ་ནོར་ལ་་་་ཁྱོད་ལ་་་་དྲི་བ་ཞིག་ཡོད་་་་ཁྱིད་ཀྱིས་རྒྱ་མི་ག་ཚོད་བཟོད་མྱོང་ཡོད་་་་གང་ཡིན་ཞེས་ན་་་་་ཁྱོད་ཀྱིས་བཤད་གཏོང་ལ་བལྟས་ན་་ཁྱོད་དམག་ལ་ཞུགས་མྱོང་ཡོད་ས་རེད་་་་་་་་སྒོར་གཞས་འཁྲབ་བཞིན་པ་་་་་དེ་ཚོའི་ནང་ནས་འད྄ི་རྒྱ་གཞས་རེད་ཟེར་བ་ཅིག་སྟོན་དང་པོ་་་་་
#BoycottChinesestylegorshey# newcomer(Sajhor) from tibet started their playlist and it should be stopped at Canada,NYC,Bylakuppe,Minnesota,Paris,Dhasa,delhi.Most of their lead dancer are tehor Khampa.dont bring chinese culture in the name of Kundun’s Lhakar .
དེང་སང་བོད་ནས་བཏང་བའི་གཞས་སྒྲ་བཅུག་འཁོར་ལོ་ནས་གཞས་བཏང་ནས་ལུས་གཡུག་ནས་བསྡད་པ་འདི་ལ་བོད་པའི་གཡའ་ཏིལ་འབྲུ་ཙམ་ཡང་མི་འདུག་ འདི་ནི་འཇམ་དབྱངས་ནོར་བུའི་གསུང་པ་བཞིན་རྒྱ་གུང་བྲན་གྱིས་བཅོས་བསྒྱུར་ revolutionary གཞས་དང་ཁྲབ་སྟངས་་song and dance རེད་མ་གཏོགས་འདི་བོད་ཆོལ་ཁ་གསུམ་གྱི་ཁོངས་་སུ་གཏོགས་པའི་གཞས་ཡིན་པའི་ཁུངས་མེད་སྙམ་ ཁམས་ཀྱི་གཞས་ནི་འབའ་གཞས་སྙན་གྲགས་ཅན་དེ་ལ་གཟིགས་ན་མཁྱེན་ཡོང་ དེ་དག་ཚང་མར་ཁ་ནས་གཞས་བཏང་ནས་ལག་པ་དང་རྐང་པ་གཡུག་ནས་རིམ་གྱི་འཁྲུག་ཏུ་འཁྲུག་ཏུ་འགྲོ་བ་མ་གཏོགས་ ལམ་སེང་ལག་པ་དང་རྐང་་པ་ནམ་མཁའ་ལ་འཕྱར་ ཁ་ནས་གཞས་སྣ་གཅིག་མེད་པ་མ་ཟད་ མགོ་ནས་འཇུག་པར་འཁྲབ་རྒྱུ་གཅིག་པ་གཅིག་རྐྱང་ དེ་ཡང་བྱ་འཁྲུང་འཁྲུང་ལྟ་བུ་མགུར་ བྱ་ཡི་ཤོག་ལྡབ་ལྟ་བུ་བྱས་ནས་ལག་པ་ནམ་མཁའ་ལ་འཕྱར་པ་འདི་དག་རྒྱ་དམར་གྱིས་དམར་པོའི་ལྟ་བ་སྤེལ་ཆེད་ འཆོར་པོ་ འུར་པོ་ ཧུར་པོ་བཟོས་པ་རེད་ འདི་དག་བོད་པའི་རིག་གཞུང་ཡིན་པའི་རྒྱུ་མཚན་བཤད་རྒྱུ་མེད་ འདི་དག་ནི་དེང་དུས་ཀྱི་ disco རེད་མ་གཏོགས་ བོད་ཀྱི་རིགས་གཞུང་བསྲུང་བསྐྱོབ་བྱས་པ་ཨེ་འགྲོ་སྙམ་ དེ་ཙམ་དུ་མ་ཟད་དེང་སང་གཞས་འདི་དག་སྤྱི་ཚོགས་ནང་དར་ནས་བཟུང་ བོད་ཀྱི་རྣ་བོའི་ཁུངས་ལྡན་གཞས་སྣ་འཁྲབ་སྟོན་བྱེད་རྒྱུར་འགོག་རྐྱེན་བཟོས་སོང་བ་གཟུར་གནས་སུས་བལྟས་ཀྱང་མཐོང་ཐུབ་ འདི་དག་གིས་བོད་ཀྱི་རྣ་བོའ་གཞས་སྣ་བསད་པའི་ཉན་ཁ་འདུག་ གང་ལགས་ཤེས་ན་ རྣ་བོའི་གཞས་སྣ་འཁྲབ་མཁན་མེད་ན་ རང་བཞིན་གྱི་འཇའ་ཡལ་བ་ནང་བཞིན་མེད་པ་འགྲོ་ངེས་པ་ཡིན་ནོ།།
Such a nonsense talk. You know nothing about Amdo Tibetans and their history. It looks like you find pleasure mocking Amdo Tibetans. I wanted to educate you that Ma Bufang was born in 1903 and died in 1975 and ruled part of Amdo and Kham for only about a decade, but history of Amdo and it's people goes back to centuries. Do you know when Tibetan empire fought against Tang, it was Amdowas who fought in the frontier?
Don't tried to create a new narrative of great Amdo tibetans. Shame on you .
We're Tibetan..choka choluk after free Tibet.
Not interested for him
Who asked tho
སྤོར་ཏོ་རང་བརྩན་ཁ་ལ་མཁྱེར་ནས་རང་དོན་ཁོ་ན་སྒྲུབ་མཁན་ཐུད་ད་དུང་ཤི་མི་འདུག་ཁ་ཀྱོག།
སྙིང་རྗེ་ལས་ངན་ཀླ་ཀློ་ཁྱོད་ ད་ཁྱོད་རང་མ་བཟོད་ངུས་
ཟམ་གདོང་སྤོར་ཏོ་རྫུན་མའི་ལམ་ཁ་ལ་ཁྱེར་ནས་རང་དོན་ཁོ་ན་སྒྲུབ་མཁན་ཐུད་ད་དུང་ཤི་མི་འདུག་ཁ་ཀྱོག །