Kilowatt Half Hour Episode 33: Let's hear it for the girls! | Electrifying.com
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This week, Ginny, Mike and Tom shoot the electric breeze on a variety of subjects, including World Car of the Year, the long-awaited return of the Ford Explorer and Omoda's arrival in the UK . The team also answer listeners' questions to help them find the perfect electric car.
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Every week, the Electrifying.com meet online to discuss all the important matters at hand. Such as the weather, what we’re all having for our tea and who dumped who in last night’s Love Island. Between these heavyweight subjects, we also talk about electric cars. A lot. Probably an unhealthy amount to be honest.
And when we do discuss cars, we find out a lot. From industry gossip to the more mundane practicalities of electric car ownership, it’s the place where we dish the dirt on the cars we’ve been driving and deliver our own verdicts on the latest electric car news. We also like to have a good laugh at the daftest bits of anti-electric news that we’ve seen in the press.
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The dealership stating BEV misinformation should be reported to local Office of Fair Trading.
Get well soon Ginny. ❤
I love all of the Electrifying team, but lovely to have Ginny back. Hope you’re feeling better.
Hopes for a full, speedy and complete recovery, young Ginny. This world needs people like you and the rest of the Electrifying Team! Thanks everyone for pushing the EV message.
Can’t beat half hour with the golden girls
Love both Ginny and Nicola he best two of the world of presenters on the planet at the moment, Ginny and Nicola ROCK!!! xxxxx
Ginny, good to see you back, wish you a speedy recovery. When you said that you were in crutches and then said guess what your next vehicle you were going to test... I thought maybe an EV ambulance, but equally happy to see the EV9.
As for EV Golf, retro MkII style, with buttons no piano black please. A frunk would be nice, a chilled frunk to keep my wine chilled on the way home would be amazing. 😂
Brake lights when using levels of regen has been sorted for vehicle manufacturers.
UN regulation 13-H Uniform provisions concerning the approval of passenger cars with regard to braking [2023/401].
States that deceleration greater than 1.3 m/s2 must illuminate the stop lights.
I can relate to Tom Barnard’s taste in cars and love of practicality and function. The cars I covet tend to be the ones that you see old ppl driving around in.
Glad your back. Thanks for the work and constant stream of EV info.
Ginny I hope you make a speedy recovery and get back to full health soon. Sending hugs to you!
Some car dealers don't want to sell an EV as they can't charge for extorionate servicing and replacement parts.
Hi There. Careé the Ami owner here 👋🏻 👋🏻. Just found out from FB Citroën Ami UK group that the quadricycle will not be taxed. 🙌. Good news and hope the new government agree too! You can’t charge a quadricycle the same as a landrover. Huge difference.
Please can you get someone educated on to @Talktv when they do an EV segment. I was listening on Saturday and a presenter called Alex stated so many of the usual miss truths and it is so frustrating. They get on a motoring journalist that is obviously a petrol head that knows little to nothing about EV’s.
But that would make boring content.
I don’t mean on this channel I meant to go on talk Tv to debate the idiots instead of having a one way demolishing of EV’s
That’s deliberate. Outrage sells!
Westmorland Group also run Cairn Lodge on the M74 in Scotland
Hope you are better fully soon Ginny, sending love
Great to see you up and about Ginny, hope you are fully recovered very soon.
Just wondering, is the paint colour patch on the wall behind you a result of your 'drugs'? Don't do it!
Thanks for answering question and keep up with great work making podcasts and videos. Looks like you really have fun working together 😊❤❤
Greetings from sLOVEnia 😂😊😊
Cairn Lodge Services is operated by the same people as Tebay and just as lovely. If it suits your charging stops better, it's basically a mini-Tebay just a bit further north
I love the Atto 3 since driving one at FCL last year, but wish there were more of them on UK roads. I’ve only seen one in the wild.
You've missed a bit, painting. ;)
I’ve been curious what colour will be chosen for the walls, seen the test patches for a while now
Thanks ladies, for another informative podcast! Greetings from Holland!
There was news earlier this year about a 2018 Model S in Australia that has done over 700,000 km. The first set of brakes pads were replaced at 450,000 km and the the first battery pack was replaced at 666,666 km (under warranty as back then it was 8 year unlimited km) . That sort of suggests the suggestion of the battery giving up or catching fire after 5 years is a little wrong
RSymons are as you no doubt know are probably one of the best EV dealers as well as having a great youtube channel. :)
The more I hear about legacy autos strategy regarding EVs, the more I’m convinced they haven’t got a clue where they’re going.
They all sat back and let China take the leap of faith and they are paying for it. China bringing in Cars cheaper and now with build quality that’s fine. The European automakers think there is brand loyalty these days like our fathers saying….. “ I’m on my tenth BMW, I wouldn’t drive anything else” There is very little brand loyalty these days and it gets even less the younger you go. Worse still the younger generation don’t want Car ownership like my generation as it’s a absolute financial disaster for something sitting 80% do nothing these days. They would rather see the world etc and pay silly money for a car, pay silly money to insure and Tax before ripped off at the pump. Cheap Electric Cars could keep them.
Yes! At last someone has pointed out that cables in the boot sub-floor is a silly place to keep them. Yes fast chargers do have cables but if you end up somewhere that doesn't, a supermarket for example you do have to empty the load to lift it up. Yes forward planning can avoid this, but I do think manufacturers should think of a home that isn't dependant on an empty boot. e.g. frunk, under the drivers seat.
Exactly, unless you are one of the “not interested entitled”
Interesting about Ford, I currently have the Kuga PHEV and think that's really fidgety on our roads when I have to go to the office in London from Cornwall. I'm hoping my next list will have some proper EV's on it next year 🤞🤞
Did I hear correct. Ginny spoke about holding up her crutch 😮.
Good dealers.
When looking to buy my IONIQ 5 I sent out specific questions to all the Hyundai dealers in Kent. Well the responses were so varied and polarised from good to bad.
The winner was Marshals in Maidstone. The sales lady was the only response to answer all the questions. Of course she got the order.
She kept me informed on delivery. From the original 12 months I got the car 5 months early.
I think she was chuffed as it was the first Namsan model she sold.
Howard’s MG of Yeovil were fantastic at explaining the world of EVs. With petrol, hybrid and fully electric they didn’t push either. Just gave you the facts, no pressure test drives and let you decide. Once you’ve driven an ev then they don’t need to sell you one, they sell themselves. The beauty of having an MG dealer in your town
Hi just thought you would like to know that I’ve stopped getting notifications of new videos landing. I’ve checked my settings and they are correct. Strange.
Great podcast as usual. Your comment on Ford. I have only ever owned Ford cars since passing my test, various models of Escort, a Sierra, Fiesta's and a Focus over the 40 years but wanting an EV, they do not have any that are affordable to the mass market any more, it looks like they are trying to go up market and forget the people that helped them grow, spending £50k for a Ford is definitely a no no in my mind, the so called Legacy brands are just ripping people off.
My mum calls me by the wrong name all the time. But she is 93...
With an Ioniq 5 the brake lights only come on if you are totally off the throttle. If you are "nearly" off the throttle and thus slowing down fairly quickly then they dont light up.
BYD have historically had high warranty issues in China. This does include PHEVs.
Chinese automakers don't need an european automaker umbrella, they need the dealer network who sells those cars. As BYD has done here in Spain with Astara and caetano
Nevermind the ID4, Imagine the Explorer vs the updated Enyaq!!!
Motorway Service Station Top Trumps. (??) Had to look that up. hmm.. yeah, that looks like a real banger of a game. lol
Sending you best wishes Ginny❤
Welcome back Ginny,
nice to see you again.
Hopefully you are doing well. 🌹
Be well soon, Ginny!
Great podcast as always girls,get better soon Ginny ❤
The same group that run Tebay and Cairn Lodge also have Rheged services on the A66 (just west of the Penrith exit on the M6)
Ancaster MG Dartford.
Bought my MG4 there, great service.
Maple garage in Hull where I bought my first ev, an MG ZS. Never questioned me about why or pointed me towards anything else. What I liked the most was that it was sold to me just as a car.
My car now is a Renault megane e tech from Bristol Street Motors in York. Same thing, I went for that e tech and they sold me an e tech.
Surley dealers just want to shift cars. If someone likes the look of a car and thinks they should go for the electric one over the petrol, then do the deal on the EV.
Get well soon, Ginny.
Brake lights come on depending on the G force of the slow down. There is a specific amount which shows the lights. Google it 👍it’ll be a legal amount set.
Paint that wall 🧐🤣👍 and get well soon
The Tebay group have three now, including Cairn Lodge in Scotland that have Hydrogen powered EV chargers ( yes, really!).
If you have reduced mobility, now's the time to get in and out of a few different cars, e.g I got in and out of a ID3 a bit low but no problems, a ID4 however was a greater challenge! The F150 lightning a bit high but no problems, the Rivian R1T at first found it impossible to get in, I returned to it a couple of hours later and after a lot of head scratching worked out a way of getting in it, could never live with one.
EV9 is more like a comfy van with seats. If Kia could up the range, it could make a decent airport transfer vehicle.
I don’t quite understand VW naming. When the ID.3 was being introduced, reviewers were calling it a Golf, that wasn’t to be called a Golf. Now, (maybe) VW are going to produce an EV called a Golf. Is that going to be a Golf, that mustn’t be called an ID.3?
I see little point in quoting prices for say a Chinese car in China, a Japanese in Japan, a Korean in Korea. When mandatory safety tech is different in counties and will affect pricing, plus international shipping doesn’t apply within country of origin.
I doubt if the US government would allow Ford to go bust. Equally, I don’t think Ford is much interested in EVs, while they can keep producing high polluting ICEd vehicles, in the form of any vehicle tagged as SUV. As SUVs in the US, are treated the same as pickups, trucks & semis, i.e. lax/much less stringent emissions regs.
Yep. Legacy dealers live and breath fumes. A few years back, I was interested in a Nissan eNV200 Combi. After much FUD from the dealer and a point blank refusal to even consider a test drive of a Leaf 40kWh, (which was emblazoned with “Book a test drive today”). He directed me toward an NV200.
I’d already explained I don’t want just a van. He insisted I’d be better off forgetting about EVs. I walked away, when having enquired about a Leaf, he replied, that even if I walked in with the proceeds of a bank raid, he still wouldn’t sell me an EV. As they just weren’t worth the cost of ownership and had been proven to be unreliable. Ironically, a friend later leased a 30kWh Leaf from the same place. After 6mths., they returned the car and asked the cost of a new Leaf. The dealer said if they really wanted waste their money, they could buy the same Leaf they’d been driving but not to be surprised if it broke down in another year.
Well they still have the 30kWh Leaf and it’s been faultless. But every time they took it in for a service, the dealer would try to sell them an ICEd car. And while they waited for the service to be completed, if customers walked in and enquired about an EV, the dealer would point to my friends and say things like, “They bought an EV and have had nothing but trouble” or “They’re only getting a twenty-five mile range.” My friends tired of this and now get the Leaf serviced in a different place. Plus they’ve added a Hyundai Ioniq 5.
Come on guys.i cant take it no more I want to see your take on the Tavascan..... so many Spanish and Italian journalists have reviewed the CUPRA Tavascan..hope Ginny your okay
Oh, that’s why. Was wondering where Ginny went. Good to hear operation went well. Hope for a speedy recovery. 🤞🏻
Nicola still traumatized by the review in Espania. 😂👏🏻
Hello Ginny & Nicola, To the whole team... Why do you think Stellantis would collaborate with a Chinese company, when everyone could guess that the Chinese company will just under cut them on the price of EV's, which is why the C10, which looks like a copy of a 'Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV' could be priced so low. I wonder how big the loss to the Stellantis group will be, during this time, and on the point of time, is the collaboration a short term or long term arrangement ?
Really pleased to see you doing well Ginny, big HUG.
I’d love to buy a used Atto 3 in future, but unless UK ppl buy more new ones there won’t be much of a second hand market.
Best wishes, Ginny.
The dealer lying about EV committed fraud!!! I would return that car, full money back and try and get the guy arrested for fraud!
I believe that brake lights are active at a certain regen level 100kw and over. This was the PUG E208 in 21 as it didn’t show the brake light
My Pug does (22 model)
Question, when is Ginny going to paint that wall 🫣😝
my ford dealer is biased towards mg & other manufacturers & the mechanics are anti ev got into an argument with two of them at the same dealership
Why aren’t charging rates advertised like petrol prices at charging and multi fuel forecourts?! Especially those with a mix of charging suppliers, saw prices of 49p per kw for off peak open tesla superchargers across from other suppliers fast chargers at 79p per kw and the Tesla ones weren’t even being used and all the others were full so they were all paying far higher prices. Why is there no regulation yet on charging prices?!
They should already call new iD2 Polo
I suspect that car dealers don't like electric cars as there's little profit in them, and dealers make most of their profit on after sales servicing, which EVs don't really need.
When I worked at a dealer (albeit 25 years ago) a major part of the operating profits came from servicing and repairs, but only a tiny amount came from selling the actually cars.
This I believe is why dealers are reluctant to sell EVs, as they're going to be loosing out on regular maintenance income in the future.
You’re absolutely right. Same thing happened with home printers. Started off expensive then makers realised the profit was in “repeat sales” of ink. Now they’re dirt cheap.
The Westmorland family also operate Cairn Lodge Services in Scotland - not particularly relevant in the past to this audience but I had an email recently saying they'd finally installed EV Charging there too. Up till now it was just a great place for a meal and an excellent shop (but no ducks like Tebay).
On another topic - a bit of an industry one but I've been a bit of a loyal VW driver for a few decades and the salesperson I dealt with last was pro-EV but the incentive from their side is a bit strange with the change to Agency model for just their EV models meaning they can't negotiate on the new Volkswagen ID cars. I like that pricing is consistent but I don't like that my loyalty to the local dealer is pointless and that they have a two tier arrangement between Electric and ICE cars.
Ladies, when are we going to see you all driving some of all these new releases in the UK for longer in depth reviews as opposed to all the launch videos in Europe?
Love you two and the Channel. Where are you with the second hand values which seems to be plummeting, the insurance costs and other electric technology such as ammonia, H2 which are coming down the road.
Re second hand values and insurance I’m pretty sure they’ve covered both of those in the past and as far as H2 and ammonia go there's not really anything to report, closure of the handful of hydrogen refuelling stations I suppose but that wouldn’t make for scintillating content.
Hydrogen requires approx 3kWh for every kW hour of energy output. Ammonia is made by combining Hydrogen and Nitrogen using a catalyst, so uses more energy. Put 3kWh in a battery and you get nearly 3kWh back. There is no point using Hydrogen or Ammonia in a combustion engine for domestic vehicles. Add to this that ammonia stinks.
Since this is a "girl" episode, it would be informative to hear your take on the EV designs that accommodate your particular needs. For example, I've found that my wife is delighted that our new Ioniq 5 sports a "purse bin" under the armrest. So much better than having to kick it around in her footwell!
Hi guys great show 😁when you gonna review the Ioniq 5 N ?
Slightly surprised Mini went ahead with the VR stunt mere weeks after Apple had to tell people not to drive wearing their headset, but at least it was a closed course.
The dealer I got my Soul from was fine, but i think they are starting to get worried about the EV mandate as the frequency of calls has increased in the last six months. Expecting one in the next few weeks with the EV3 unveil coming up this week.
I have never knowingly experienced this shimmy you frequently mention on my own Ariya, although it has e-4orce and is on 19"s, so maybe that helps?
You missed Nikki who is also a host even if she is more part-time at least in front of the camera, but would love to see you two and her on a Podcast at some point in future, maybe next International Women's Day in 2025.
So if money was not a factor, and all three match your use case, would you have an Ioniq5, an MG4, or a Cupra Born?
My son is named Zach and I sometimes call him Patrick (my brother's name...)
I bought a new EV and it ElectriFRIED my garage and burnt most my house. Insurance company says I should not have parked inside garage so not playing out. Thanks !!
A shout out for a New car dealership - Chorley Group MG and others.
A hurrah for Eco-Cars (ex JP ) and Wisely Automotive.
Particularly Miles Roberts.
I would like to lease a car in the Volkswagen Group in 2025 that is in the iD.4/iD.5 Pur 4Motion size (with infotainment package) - I have compared the Škoda Enyaq 85x and even the BMW iX1/iX2 - the Volkswagen iD .4/iD.5 was always significantly cheaper - I had always compared full equipment and all-wheel drive - I'm currently very excited about the price of the Cupra Tavascan, if it wasn't as significantly more expensive as the Enyaq compared to the iD.4, it would be my favorite - purely visually!
My leasing requirement is: 2 years, 20,000 km p.a., around €18,500 - €19,500 one-off payment.
Actually, the KIA brand names may not be such a stand-out in the UK ( understandable as Korea is a distant land and you are all into European brands ), but in a lot of other places such as Australia the brands are as popular as Toyota.
Interesting KIA as a brand is quite popular in the UK, but the individual model names aren't really known by the common person in the way a Golf or a Focus is. I guess the closest is the Cee'd or the Sportage but even then its not that much despite how many cars they sell
so the ID.2 will that now be called Polo?
Oh. Apologies for the misinformation about the southbound non-Tesla chargers being on the northbound side - that actually came from Tebay customer services via email. :/
While I'm here though, I used the shiny new chargers northbound at Gloucester and had endless issues. Card not being validated, started charge and stopped, several were just out of order. A couple of people reported the same frustration as we all faffed about.
Wangara MG, they drive their MG4s so they know electric cars
Toyota will be the Kodak of the Legacy Brands... Shimples
I have been a Ford Fan for over 30 years, but just recently they have been making decisions that don't suit me (personal opinion obviously).
Naming an SUV "Mustang", and probably calling another "Capri"?
Then killing off their hatchbacks, which I believe Ford Europe excelled at.
So my current Focus ST may be my last Ford. Hoping Hyundai can make a smaller hatch like the Ioniq 5N.
I drive a Cupra Born. It looks great, drives great, is a great place to sit. But, the software is an absolute car crash; it really lets the entire car down and I can't wait to get rid of it. It's such a shame. VW have had years to sort this out now, but just haven't. I hear the newer models have the newer software, but that still leaves thousands of us struggling with even basic functions. Their actions imply that they don't care about current owners. It's also been back to Cupra 5 times in 18 months with different problems; headlight and controller died, water in the boot well, stuck charge flap, clicking noises when turning, constant fogging problems. Because of all of this, I won't be buying a Cupra again.
Thanks for the video. Ginny, your video needs an uplift -
it keeps flashing.
It's not a very valid point about the AC charging cable being stuck under the rest of the luggage during a long journey. If you are using an untethered AC charger on a long journey then you are stopping for hours so it's probably a hotel or holiday let so you've taken the stuff out
Can we split Tebay services please South is completely different to the North one !
Car salespeople tend to have little to no interest in EVs in my experience. I find they know less than I do and zone out when I start talking about efficiency etc.
It's ok buying cheaper ev's But then you have to do with the issue of public charges When you can't charge from home they cost a lot more Then say tesla The government are taken their Time To get a grip on the prices because they are making a hell of a lot on all the VAT, If Tesla can do it right? Why can't everyone else after all these years What do you think
Kodaks of the car industry: Ford and Toyota
Unless they licence Tesla's FSD? That could save them.
and Jaguar / Land Rover
Stellantis bringing in cheaper Chinese EVs. By the time they get to the UK, they'll suffer all the import and tax duties, making them just as expensive as their own vehicles, £30k for a super mini with 200miles of range isn't going to convert anyone, great video though.
Not necessarily. A recent EU study found that even with a 50% tariff the Chinese brands could make more profit in Europe than China. I think the Chinese brands so far have had little incentive to price low. Stellantis and Leapmotor (who don't sell particularly outstandingly in China) might have a bit more incentive to price low.
Girls?
I don’t know about journos, but UK punters seem to have little to no interest in BYD. Hopefully BYD sponsoring the Euros may shift perceptions.
I see BYD being the Toyota of EVs. Boring, all look the same, predictable, reliable with a strong following. They'll be the EVs that little old granny Mavis will drive to church at 40km/h in an 80 zone on a Sunday morning.
Mmm. We are driving our Seal in Eco mode for the first 700miles.
But after that, I suspect that sport mode might get used unless planning a longer trip😁
@@kasmstamps1897run in my Seal AWD and used sport mode and it’s very addictive all that power and don’t understand the comment about all b BYD’s being boring and look the same 🤷🏻♂️definitely don’t look the same or boring
When you’re reviewing cars in Slovenia, we all expect to see your car parked by the awful statue of Melania Trump…
Why aren’t charging rates advertised like petrol prices at charging and multi fuel forecourts?! Especially those with a mix of charging suppliers, saw prices of 49p per kw for off peak open tesla superchargers across from other suppliers fast chargers at 79p per kw and the Tesla ones weren’t even being used and all the others were full so they were all paying far higher prices. Why is there no regulation yet on charging prices?!
Why aren’t charging rates advertised like petrol prices at charging and multi fuel forecourts?! Especially those with a mix of charging suppliers, saw prices of 49p per kw for off peak open tesla superchargers across from other suppliers fast chargers at 79p per kw and the Tesla ones weren’t even being used and all the others were full so they were all paying far higher prices. Why is there no regulation yet on charging prices?!
Why aren’t charging rates advertised like petrol prices at charging and multi fuel forecourts?! Especially those with a mix of charging suppliers, saw prices of 49p per kw for off peak open tesla superchargers across from other suppliers fast chargers at 79p per kw and the Tesla ones weren’t even being used and all the others were full so they were all paying far higher prices. Why is there no regulation yet on charging prices?!