There is so much to unpack. Where do I being: 1. They are listening to each other (actively). 2. They affirm each others opinions/thoughts. 3. They are not yelling/speaking aggressively. 4. They see each other. 5. They compromise.
The best thing a man and woman can do. Sit down across from each other and be civilised in their disagreement, in order to grasp the reality of the situation.
Taufeeq Fakir provided the woman respect the husband and the husband love the wife . once that’s out of the way, everything else is possible and Most importantly, Understand each other’s love languages .
@@adedoyin3336 love languages is a thing made by a misogynistic white supremacist preacher purposefully to enforce nuclear family BS and also to make a ton of money.
@@joi12345678 Now that was my POWERFUL !! WHO WANTS SOMEONE TO BE FAKE AND PHONY WITH THEM !! What this woman is doing which I dont respect is equivalent to a man asking a woman to fake a orgasm !! Who does it BENEFIT your both still EMPTY living a LIE !!
It’s manipulation. She’s saying that so she can get her way. She wants her imaginary world, in which her man that fakes it with her and gets fired for being real at work, magically finds a way to pay the rent. It’s manipulative and childish because women like her are the same ones that complain when the bills aren’t getting paid. Then it’s BE A MAN AND GET A JOB!
I don't know if it's my love for poetry or soft spoken folk, but watching and listening to these two has brought joy to my heart-knowing that everything can be fixed and resolved if we only listen to one another.
The Queen has spoken. This is the first time I ever saw Baldwin at a lost for words. He's usually the one dominating a debate. Nikki said I love my brother but I'm going to have the floor today. Watch me go off. Lol. I'm in love with these type of black minds.
I don't think it was a loss for words it was a logical response and she didn't understand it because she was in her feelings about it. This was an awesome convo of Feelings and logic at it's best.
that is because she has hope and wants things to improve as they have done. he still has hate and anger and a chip and wants thing not to change for all. he wants the white people of 1971 to go through what black people did up until then.
@@albundy8192 Yea, I don't think that's the case. If that's what he wanted, he sure as hell didn't want it for the white men that he exclusively dated. I am not sure what country you live in, but things in America have not changed much at all for race relations. It was just hidden. 2016 showed every one how much animosity was still there, and will always be there. You cannot be upset with the traumatized, especially if it is not your trauma. It sounds like you have a chip on your should about people who have chips on their shoulders. Its a never ending thing I guess.
You are obviously correct. But, this leads me to wonder, as I see similar types of comments all the time... Why would one expect it couldn't be applied today? Or, somehow be surprised at how it can be applied today? Why do so many people find the sustained relevance even notable? Is it just that society's sense of progress is skewed by the world we see around us? Yes, we are surrounded by technological advances. Yes, everything has a different coating of paint and humans wear a different coating of clothes. Yes, the broken systems of past generations have grown into further broken systems. But, humanity does not evolve at this pace, many aspects don't change at all (or, at least they haven't yet). Perhaps people are so hopeful of leaving society's past behind, they don't realize we are merely continuing it... extending it.
This interview make me wanna be a better man. I have listen 5+ times and bottom line is we can keep letting our women down. They have caught the frowna and rhe anger. Enough with that!!
Conversation like this is my aphrodisiac. Most men can’t put the ego aside long enough to hear her but she speaks what most are afraid to speak. You can’t even satisfy my body if these kind of chats ain’t happening. I love this!❤🖤💚
What did you hear her saying? Because it sounded very childlike and naive to me. Do you believe she’d be happy with her man getting fired because he stopped smiling at work so he could put on a performance for her? And her saying, he’s smart enough to figure something out sounds like she couldn’t put HER ego aside and understand the unrealistic nature of what she was asking for. Imagine a man that doesn’t make much money telling his woman that he wants her to stay at home and take care of the kids…and he’ll figure something out when it comes to the bills. Does that fly without him having a CONCRETE plan that she can understand? I doubt it. So her saying it without a similar plan shouldn’t fly either.
The fact that he is gay makes this conversation a little insincere to me, pointless even. He can do nothing for her as "his woman" and he's not speaking for all man and he cannot speak to her in that way. It doesn't fall right. Sorry to offend but I'm not being small minded or judgemental I just thought it was a wasted conversation, generally.
@Amber L, So true but every community does this! You have to smile for your wife and also at work too! I’ve seen people in other races be nasty at work but be nice to their wives. You have be an emotional rock for your family!
@@niggafliesAnd how does that play out? A lot of times, it ends with that man cheating with a woman that he can just relax around. She won’t even be as pretty as his wife, but he can take the cape off around her. EVERYONE needs space to decompress. If women don’t give their man that space because they want to live in a fairytale, he’ll find it somewhere else.
She's saying that he fakes a smile all day with his white boss at work, so why can't she get that same smile instead of the anger and frustration. He pretends to be meek and agreeable around white people. He says that fake meekness is how he manages to keep the job and provide for them. That fake smile pays their rent.
@@shanielswaby3591Baldwin was talking about needing to work to provide for his wife and kids (e.g., get paid so he can pay rent). he needs to smile at work - essentially appease his employers - in order to do this. but it’s a performance, a taxing one. but also, in his view, a necessary one so that he can continue being employed and provide for his family. hence why his smile is the price for the rent.
Don't give your boss and your job all the fake smiles and come home with a frown on your face leave some smiles and lies for her too!! She doesn't care if you're lying just be pleasant and jovial
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate. Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile. You are your own soulmate. Not any female. There is no paradise without sacrifice. ☮
I absolutely LOVE how open Baldwin is to this new idea she introduced to him. Generally, people immediately reject foreign ideas that challenge what they’ve always believed to be true. But here, he seems intrigued at the this new thing that he has never before considered. He was such a genuine soul, listening to understand. And Nikki is gentle and kind, but at the same time bold and brilliant. This was such an exhilarating exchange! I have to watch the whole thing now! ❤💯
I don’t think it was a new idea to him. I think he understood what she was saying as a gay man and what he sometimes wants from other men. But I think he was balancing that with the reality of getting through life. It’s the difference between the head and the heart. Nikki was speaking from the heart, which he understood, but he was more committed to thinking with his head.
What a golden archive of knowledge I miss my real black when she had real hair down and brown not that Nicki Minaj Lil Kim bullshiter wearning a weave down today ask
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate. Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile. You are your own soulmate. Not any female. There is no paradise without sacrifice. ☮
This was such a beautiful STRONG intelligent OPEN conversation!!! I wish in 2024 people were more open to having these types of discussions! This fed my soul! Grateful for this being recorded!🙏🏾‼️🤍
He does he says so several times in the same interview. He's trying to say while it's terrible those black men back then felt they had no release for their anger besides their families.
Woke Wooxia many white women were housewives. Not black women, many black women were never afforded the privilege to be housewives. That is a myth made up by black people who romanticize , and revise the past. The black household in America has never been stable financially speaking to survive on a singular income. Maybe in small pockets but not overall.
Sunny95 Love Hello🙌🏾 one of my great grandmothers was a nurse in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s and my other great grandmother was a cook for a white doctor who’s wife was a housewife. Black women worked
Nikki is THE TRUTH. Paycheck voice. Have a filter with me. Treat me like if you lose me, you'll lose everything. That's how you feel about your job. Everything is done backwards. Love your WOMAN. it's called... RESPECT
I have watched this video 100x and everytime I watch Nikki G beg for just the slightest hint of love from her black king it brings tears to my eyes b/c I can understand both sides... ✊🏿⚡
She's not asking for love...She's asking for unwavering commitment...To his woman, to his family. Even if it tears pieces of life from him. She wants all of him. Hips resiliance & creativity...his deepest brilliance....thru the commitment of his presence. What She's asking for, is his soul...His Whole soul.. . As a matter of survival.
That's by choice. Be genial, be friendly. No need for the watermelon grin but I guess some of us are so used to it. That's on us. I've seen too many of us, especially the men become meek and docile around white folk in particular. Not a good look.
I.👏🏾 LOVE.👏🏾 THIS!!!👏🏾 This is such a powerful conversation and we need to have more civil discourses like this and bring the Black family back together!🖤✊🏾 We must!!
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate. Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile. You are your own soulmate. Not any female. There is no paradise without sacrifice. ☮
i can't get enough of this conversation. i was lucky enough to come across it last year (on tiktok, of all places!) and i've revisited it several times since. nikki giovanni is just brilliant and i love james baldwin
I love this conversation and how they articulated themselves; artistic expression. It was dope hearing their vintage lingo lol; jiving, groovy cat, he's a "gas" 😏. But I also felt the pain in her expression and his; she wants him to pour into her even if he must fake it, and he wants her to understand why it's difficult. I understood both side's, what I will say is, if he can fake it at work for a paycheck it should be easy to smile and be loving at home - 'cause that's where the heart is...or should be. Giovanni expressed to Baldwin, how black women take on their spouse's frustrations and anger from work, when it should be love and happiness. Black men's rage from discrimination on the job transfers over into a beating up of the black woman, and sometimes in front of the kid's. It seems many men and women haven't been taught how to positively project their energy, due to childhood wounds, and social conditioning amongst other factors.
Go out in the world and be treated like crap and smile through it all day.. Get home and frown when being treated with love.... See what she saying dont come home to me mad when i treat yiu better when i love you i as a black woman HAVE THE POWER TO HEAL YOU EVERY NIGHT SO U CAN FIGHT ANOTHER DAY. YET U HAVE TO NURRISH ME SO I CAN HAVE THAT POWER TO HEAL YOU EVERYNIGHT.
Sounds like you want the man to do all the work. If I have to work and keep up a facade even when I get home, how is my woman my peace? Literally no escape. Sounds like slave labor to keep a woman who's doing next to nothing for you happy. Sounds like the type of request a modern black woman would make tbh
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate. Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile. You are your own soulmate. Not any female. There is no paradise without sacrifice. ☮
@@denellwestthis applies to yourself also, love yourself, dont judge yourself.. she won the argument and thats rare for females these days but she won.. and I am attracted😂 she's genius..
That's what I'm talkin about back-in-the-day a real black look at that hair that's why I was at natural the way God intended it not that Nicki Minaj bulshit wearing fake Vietnamese hair weaves that's how I wanted my when I was growing up and I have no helmet enough I was hoping that one day I would have my first black girlfriend and that she well it didn't
I think as an African American, this a foundational statement in how relationships should work! We have to make it work for the future! People of other races take her advice all the time!
But the question is: What does that mean/look like? Also, will she stay with him if it takes a long time to make it happen, and they’re struggling during that time? We need clear objectives and strategies, if we’re going to make progress. If you come to me and tell me you’re struggling and I say stand up and make it happen, have I helped you?
I just discovered Soul! At 44 and Ms. Giovanni in the same year. In the past year I've made more discoveries that lead me to corner myself and make new assumptions about everything I ever was taught or thought I knew. Leading me to understand the older I get the less I know and in doing so I loose a false sense of education and grasp a real understanding of spiritual enlightenment. Thank you Mr. baldwen.. Ms. Giovanni and Mr.Haizlip for pushing black arts to what it is today and for what it will mean to the youth of future generations. In a time when mental health in the black community was non-existent or talked about I wonder if the viewers of this them knew that this was exactly what they were hearing in a honest, civil and unapologetic insightful conversation of the pivotal moment when feminism pointed out that Masculism not toxic masculinity was the issue as it was then and still is now. I never graduated highschool but I was blessed to grow up with the disruptor called the Internet and the free will inherit in all human beings that are not born into or a direct product of slavery to be able to seek out and learn how powerful this is.
Yeah nawl. Stop with the bs. Most black women on welfare in the 60s were married women whose men abandoned them Laws agaisnt men in the house were there to prevent derelict men who had already had a family or 2 or 3 they had abandoned from laying up in a woman's home that thr govt subsidized
Can we just marvel at the cinematography/camera work? They turned 2 (maybe 3) cameras into absolute gold with all the various angles and shots they were getting. Masterful.
Hot diggity dog what a golden archive a black man in a black woman real black woman having a conversation either one of them putting each other funeral home
Years ago, I went on a second date at a bowling alley. At that time, my family was in crisis, and just as I greeted the girl, my younger brother called. I made it a habit to answer 100% of his calls because I wanted him to feel like no matter what there was one person in the world who’d always pick up, and he knew not to abuse that. However, that day he was extremely distressed due to our parents fighting, and the call took longer than expected. When I returned to the date, I was mentally distracted and apologized for not being fun. She comforted me, saying she'd enjoy our time together regardless, and urged me to just be myself. Her exact words were, "I want you to be wherever you are at the moment." That was when I realized this was my person. That was four years ago (we're engaged now). I can't tell you how nourishing it is to be real. I can't help but smile when I'm with her. She is my home. When I see her, the smile happens all on its own. It's not that I don't make an effort to be kind, but my feelings are real. She knows when I smile it's because of the joy she gives, and truly that’s nourishing for her as well. Work sucks, life sucks, but we take refuge in one another.
I felt every word she spoke. The sad part is that this still is needed. A woman, especially a black woman, is suppose to be a soft place for her man and family to land but she never has a soft place for herself to land..ijs
You dont hurt those that you love bottom line. No matter how bad the day your mate or your child should not be the victim. Those are the ones you should turn to with open arms and LOVE. Not the enemies on the outer world that hate and despise your breath of existence.
If you believe that, you will find yourself hurt. They will hurt you the most bcuz you are deeply invested. People we don’t care abt can say things and it won’t hurt us, but a love on says it and it hurts the most. I look at it biblically...the people Jesus loved crucified him. We hurt God daily, so is He suppose to stop loving us. Love is knowing forgiveness and you might as well give it because you will need it.
It’s so heartbreaking to hear a man say he can’t smile to the person who loves him the most. Because he’s been knowingly fake smiling for people who don’t love him. How don’t you understand the difference between the fake and the real. Feeding what feeds you.
Black Folk need to learn to be genially pleasant and not bring out the big watermelon smile everybody's come to expect. Who's asking him to grin all day at work? Just be pleasant and genial.
"Amazing WHAT A Fantastic Speech SUCH A Delicious Magnificent Treat MR. J. Baldwin AND MS. N. Giovanni, Poetic... LOVE THIS, Classic PEACE,😯😍😁📸📺📻🎙️🍰📖😯😍😁📸📺📻🎙️🍰📖
If a man cannot be himself, his true self, with his wife, then who could he be true with?? This is the burden of the black man (man of color) in America.
@神 Seeking Techniques 神 That's a wrong assumption though. The assumption is that the black man cannot control his emotions and take it out on his wife and kids. That's not what James was speaking about at all!! What Mr. Baldwin was describing is the burden of the black man that puts his family first. The traumas he has to deal with in order to feed his family. No man should have to come home and not share with his wife what he's going thru. He should be able to get a shoulder to cry on from his wife, he should be able to express himself and his wife help heal his wounds knowing that he endures abuse in order to feed his family. A man needs to know that his wife understands him and has his back, that will motivate him to continue enduring knowing that his wife and kids understand. He'll do everything for his family
Sadly the generation I’m in black men and women can’t find commend ground to have a conversation like this anymore. It’s always who bigger or better . Them men act like women and the women act like men .
In what what did they find common ground? She's asking for something, he asked how she proposed it would work, and she gave an ambiguous answer that he didn't even reply to. Very confused how this was anything but a sign of what was about to happen to the community
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist it’s the fact that he’s listening… not talking over her , not interrupting her with aggressive masculine energy, but taking in everything she’s say’s instead of judging. Something a lot of men in todays age lack. The fact that’s he is hearing her out and excepting her point of views . As black women we tend to say how we feel but no one listens, or they say we are aggressive or demanding or angry.
@@mariaSanchez-ub7ds that's not common ground that's listening to a woman... Considering the changes in the community can you really blame men for not listening? Clearly it doesn't work
Matthew 6:25-33 New International Version (NIV) Do Not Worry 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[a]?
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate. Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile. You are your own soulmate. Not any female. There is no paradise without sacrifice. ☮
The joy of watching two supremely intelligent people in conversation is so edifying.
There is so much to unpack. Where do I being:
1. They are listening to each other (actively).
2. They affirm each others opinions/thoughts.
3. They are not yelling/speaking aggressively.
4. They see each other.
5. They compromise.
this list is what strength and love look like. thanks for breaking it down
Yes yes yes!!!!! It was refreshing to see! 😊
The best thing a man and woman can do. Sit down across from each other and be civilised in their disagreement, in order to grasp the reality of the situation.
Taufeeq Fakir provided the woman respect the husband and the husband love the wife . once that’s out of the way, everything else is possible and Most importantly, Understand each other’s love languages .
Well reality surely isn’t lying about your happiness.
@@adedoyin3336 love languages is a thing made by a misogynistic white supremacist preacher purposefully to enforce nuclear family BS and also to make a ton of money.
Best comment 👌
@@joi12345678 Now that was my POWERFUL !! WHO WANTS SOMEONE TO BE FAKE AND PHONY WITH THEM !! What this woman is doing which I dont respect is equivalent to a man asking a woman to fake a orgasm !! Who does it BENEFIT your both still EMPTY living a LIE !!
She is so beautiful.
In and out, ♥️✊🏿
Lol, she said "of course he doesn't know your unhappy with him you grin at him all day"
My God Yes
She said “The rent has to get paid” omg she is soooo strong!!
“Ofc u can lie to me” damn
“Because i love you i get least of you, I get the very minimum “ that hit me
It hit me too
It hurts to hear that..I see things I can do better as a husband ..wow powerful
It's also a lie. She doesn't want more, she wants all.
❤
Hit me in gut and heart
I love how she affirms him. “You are smart enough and you are sensitive enough “ this conversation was 🔥
This means nothing it's her method of disarming her opponent.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That is what affirmation looks. like?
@@sqwale7why can it not be both?
It’s manipulation. She’s saying that so she can get her way. She wants her imaginary world, in which her man that fakes it with her and gets fired for being real at work, magically finds a way to pay the rent. It’s manipulative and childish because women like her are the same ones that complain when the bills aren’t getting paid. Then it’s BE A MAN AND GET A JOB!
I don't know if it's my love for poetry or soft spoken folk, but watching and listening to these two has brought joy to my heart-knowing that everything can be fixed and resolved if we only listen to one another.
I listen to this all the time I think this should be placed in every social studies class lol
The Queen has spoken. This is the first time I ever saw Baldwin at a lost for words. He's usually the one dominating a debate. Nikki said I love my brother but I'm going to have the floor today. Watch me go off. Lol. I'm in love with these type of black minds.
I don't think it was a loss for words it was a logical response and she didn't understand it because she was in her feelings about it. This was an awesome convo of Feelings and logic at it's best.
@@frederickwilliams955 whatever makes you feel better about being the most conquered men on Earth
that is because she has hope and wants things to improve as they have done. he still has hate and anger and a chip and wants thing not to change for all. he wants the white people of 1971 to go through what black people did up until then.
@@albundy8192 Yea, I don't think that's the case. If that's what he wanted, he sure as hell didn't want it for the white men that he exclusively dated. I am not sure what country you live in, but things in America have not changed much at all for race relations. It was just hidden. 2016 showed every one how much animosity was still there, and will always be there. You cannot be upset with the traumatized, especially if it is not your trauma. It sounds like you have a chip on your should about people who have chips on their shoulders. Its a never ending thing I guess.
She was living in a dream world.
This entire conversation can be applied today. Such a beautiful conversation between adults
I couldn’t agree more!
You are obviously correct. But, this leads me to wonder, as I see similar types of comments all the time... Why would one expect it couldn't be applied today? Or, somehow be surprised at how it can be applied today? Why do so many people find the sustained relevance even notable?
Is it just that society's sense of progress is skewed by the world we see around us? Yes, we are surrounded by technological advances. Yes, everything has a different coating of paint and humans wear a different coating of clothes. Yes, the broken systems of past generations have grown into further broken systems. But, humanity does not evolve at this pace, many aspects don't change at all (or, at least they haven't yet). Perhaps people are so hopeful of leaving society's past behind, they don't realize we are merely continuing it... extending it.
Facts!
This interview make me wanna be a better man. I have listen 5+ times and bottom line is we can keep letting our women down. They have caught the frowna and rhe anger. Enough with that!!
mjohnson00333 such a great statement she made there. I wouldn’t say “lie to me.” I’d say, “love me enough to not give me your worst and last.”
Stop to many women think like they never the problem
@@mjg6233 tru, but we (men) must focus on self. When we are better, ,,, they will follow.
You have it in you to be a better man
@@neicypickens3264 queen!!! ✊🏾✊🏾❤️
It is the warmest conversation i have ever heard.
Both of them are a gift for humanity!🙏
This is what healthy conflict looks like in a relationship💯
Conversation like this is my aphrodisiac. Most men can’t put the ego aside long enough to hear her but she speaks what most are afraid to speak. You can’t even satisfy my body if these kind of chats ain’t happening. I love this!❤🖤💚
I checked my ego so long ago. Powerful message from Ms. Giovanni! ❤
What did you hear her saying? Because it sounded very childlike and naive to me. Do you believe she’d be happy with her man getting fired because he stopped smiling at work so he could put on a performance for her?
And her saying, he’s smart enough to figure something out sounds like she couldn’t put HER ego aside and understand the unrealistic nature of what she was asking for. Imagine a man that doesn’t make much money telling his woman that he wants her to stay at home and take care of the kids…and he’ll figure something out when it comes to the bills. Does that fly without him having a CONCRETE plan that she can understand? I doubt it. So her saying it without a similar plan shouldn’t fly either.
Absolutely ❤❤❤
The wisdom of her intelligent reasoning is aspirational.
The fact that he is gay makes this conversation a little insincere to me, pointless even. He can do nothing for her as "his woman" and he's not speaking for all man and he cannot speak to her in that way. It doesn't fall right. Sorry to offend but I'm not being small minded or judgemental I just thought it was a wasted conversation, generally.
She's so right and this conversation is still a current worry within the black community.
@Amber L, So true but every community does this! You have to smile for your wife and also at work too! I’ve seen people in other races be nasty at work but be nice to their wives. You have be an emotional rock for your family!
@@niggafliesAnd how does that play out? A lot of times, it ends with that man cheating with a woman that he can just relax around. She won’t even be as pretty as his wife, but he can take the cape off around her. EVERYONE needs space to decompress. If women don’t give their man that space because they want to live in a fairytale, he’ll find it somewhere else.
“The price of the rent is my smile.”
It’s still that real out here today.
can you explain to me what this line meant?
She's saying that he fakes a smile all day with his white boss at work, so why can't she get that same smile instead of the anger and frustration. He pretends to be meek and agreeable around white people. He says that fake meekness is how he manages to keep the job and provide for them. That fake smile pays their rent.
@@shanielswaby3591Baldwin was talking about needing to work to provide for his wife and kids (e.g., get paid so he can pay rent). he needs to smile at work - essentially appease his employers - in order to do this. but it’s a performance, a taxing one. but also, in his view, a necessary one so that he can continue being employed and provide for his family. hence why his smile is the price for the rent.
@@shanielswaby3591 if you don't "play the game" you don't eat
They call it code switching now, which is in decline post pandemic….thankfully
I love this dialogue. This hits home.
Why are you going to be truthful with me , when you lie to everyone else?! Those words are everything in a marriage, that really got me.
🗣️🗣️Hello!!!
Don't give your boss and your job all the fake smiles and come home with a frown on your face leave some smiles and lies for her too!! She doesn't care if you're lying just be pleasant and jovial
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate.
Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile.
You are your own soulmate. Not any female.
There is no paradise without sacrifice.
☮
Because I Love You, I get the least of You! Powerful!! Just shifted my whole relationship.
Powerful yet sits in our ignoring parts of are eyes yet present in our energy
She broke my heart when she said that. Changed my whole perspective for the rest of my life the first time i heard this.
@@rhazesdark but that's what women go through 🤷
I said that to my mother when I was 7 years old. She didn't think what I told her was so profound. She just didn't care 🤷🏽♂️
@@denellwest that's crazy my brother! She was probably going through her own personal growth! I wish you well! Stay strong and positive!!
I absolutely LOVE how open Baldwin is to this new idea she introduced to him. Generally, people immediately reject foreign ideas that challenge what they’ve always believed to be true. But here, he seems intrigued at the this new thing that he has never before considered. He was such a genuine soul, listening to understand. And Nikki is gentle and kind, but at the same time bold and brilliant. This was such an exhilarating exchange! I have to watch the whole thing now! ❤💯
I don’t think it was a new idea to him. I think he understood what she was saying as a gay man and what he sometimes wants from other men. But I think he was balancing that with the reality of getting through life. It’s the difference between the head and the heart. Nikki was speaking from the heart, which he understood, but he was more committed to thinking with his head.
This was a genuine all or nothing woman that is willing to pull the best out of her man. The Rent Will Get Paid. That's deep. Holla back.
What a golden archive of knowledge I miss my real black when she had real hair down and brown not that Nicki Minaj Lil Kim bullshiter wearning a weave down today ask
Dad smiled at Mom❤ that was beautiful
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate.
Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile.
You are your own soulmate. Not any female.
There is no paradise without sacrifice.
☮
Hope you get some help.
She has a very complex, beautiful, energetic, worm, deep, honest, and thoughtful soul. She is a gracious image of God.
This was such a beautiful STRONG intelligent OPEN conversation!!! I wish in 2024 people were more open to having these types of discussions! This fed my soul! Grateful for this being recorded!🙏🏾‼️🤍
Probably the deepest & most emotional conversation between a black woman & black man I’ve ever watched.. breath taking.
Nikki is so talented and beautiful
At 80 years old she’s still amazing
"You are capable and intelligent enough to create a new system..." Queen Giovanni is awesome
This.
But how long is she going to stick around, after he got fired, while he creates this new system?
It sounds good but how realistic is it?
I always find myself coming back to this.
Does he not understand the same fake smile he has to perform to, is the same smile that she has to perform to also!!!
Back then many of the women were housewives.
Trickle down
He does he says so several times in the same interview. He's trying to say while it's terrible those black men back then felt they had no release for their anger besides their families.
Woke Wooxia many white women were housewives. Not black women, many black women were never afforded the privilege to be housewives. That is a myth made up by black people who romanticize , and revise the past. The black household in America has never been stable financially speaking to survive on a singular income. Maybe in small pockets but not overall.
Sunny95 Love Hello🙌🏾 one of my great grandmothers was a nurse in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s and my other great grandmother was a cook for a white doctor who’s wife was a housewife. Black women worked
Two very intelligent people. I can listen to them all day.
I remember either listening or watching them converse when I was younger and at 43 I’m just fully understanding their dialogue. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nikki is THE TRUTH. Paycheck voice. Have a filter with me. Treat me like if you lose me, you'll lose everything. That's how you feel about your job. Everything is done backwards. Love your WOMAN. it's called... RESPECT
I love how you phrased the conversation!!❤
I have watched this video 100x and everytime I watch Nikki G beg for just the slightest hint of love from her black king it brings tears to my eyes b/c I can understand both sides... ✊🏿⚡
Black men hate black women today.
Exactly this was such a profound interview because I’m seeing where both sides makes sense
@@scarlethottie3955 that's such a lie
She's not asking for love...She's asking for unwavering commitment...To his woman, to his family. Even if it tears pieces of life from him. She wants all of him. Hips resiliance & creativity...his deepest brilliance....thru the commitment of his presence. What She's asking for, is his soul...His Whole soul.. . As a matter of survival.
@@Mr.Oct___ I don't disagree with your statement either.. But how do you get unwavering comment without love? So we are both correct! #Hotep
"Hush now don't explain"🥺
Oh how we need more conversations like this family We still must wear the smile.
That's by choice. Be genial, be friendly. No need for the watermelon grin but I guess some of us are so used to it. That's on us. I've seen too many of us, especially the men become meek and docile around white folk in particular. Not a good look.
I.👏🏾 LOVE.👏🏾 THIS!!!👏🏾 This is such a powerful conversation and we need to have more civil discourses like this and bring the Black family back together!🖤✊🏾 We must!!
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate.
Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile.
You are your own soulmate. Not any female.
There is no paradise without sacrifice.
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I really feel sorry for black women like you
@@empress4965 Good thing I could care less.😉 Why do you think you or your feelings matter - much less, to me? 🤷🏾♀️
i can't get enough of this conversation. i was lucky enough to come across it last year (on tiktok, of all places!) and i've revisited it several times since. nikki giovanni is just brilliant and i love james baldwin
I love this conversation and how they articulated themselves; artistic expression. It was dope hearing their vintage lingo lol; jiving, groovy cat, he's a "gas" 😏.
But I also felt the pain in her expression and his; she wants him to pour into her even if he must fake it, and he wants her to understand why it's difficult.
I understood both side's, what I will say is, if he can fake it at work for a paycheck it should be easy to smile and be loving at home - 'cause that's where the heart is...or should be. Giovanni expressed to Baldwin, how black women take on their spouse's frustrations and anger from work, when it should be love and happiness.
Black men's rage from discrimination on the job transfers over into a beating up of the black woman, and sometimes in front of the kid's. It seems many men and women haven't been taught how to positively project their energy, due to childhood wounds, and social conditioning amongst other factors.
Well said 🩷
Go out in the world and be treated like crap and smile through it all day.. Get home and frown when being treated with love.... See what she saying dont come home to me mad when i treat yiu better when i love you i as a black woman HAVE THE POWER TO HEAL YOU EVERY NIGHT SO U CAN FIGHT ANOTHER DAY. YET U HAVE TO NURRISH ME SO I CAN HAVE THAT POWER TO HEAL YOU EVERYNIGHT.
Sounds like you want the man to do all the work. If I have to work and keep up a facade even when I get home, how is my woman my peace? Literally no escape. Sounds like slave labor to keep a woman who's doing next to nothing for you happy. Sounds like the type of request a modern black woman would make tbh
Her smile. Her words. Lie to me. That resonated with me.
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate.
Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile.
You are your own soulmate. Not any female.
There is no paradise without sacrifice.
☮
@@denellwest You lost me at real men...The saying "No man is an island" exists for a reason. Otherwise, be a hermit or a monk up in the mountain.
@@paulm1178 🤔😱🤨😂👌🏾👍🏽💯💪🏽✌🏽
@@denellwestthis applies to yourself also, love yourself, dont judge yourself.. she won the argument and thats rare for females these days but she won.. and I am attracted😂 she's genius..
The price of the rent is my smile!!!!
This conversation is much needed & powerful.
My favorite part was when James stepped out of character and said "I DONT WANT YOU TO PROSTITUTE..." I felt that one
That's what I'm talkin about back-in-the-day a real black look at that hair that's why I was at natural the way God intended it not that Nicki Minaj bulshit wearing fake Vietnamese hair weaves that's how I wanted my when I was growing up and I have no helmet enough I was hoping that one day I would have my first black girlfriend and that she well it didn't
I think as an African American, this a foundational statement in how relationships should work! We have to make it work for the future! People of other races take her advice all the time!
The synopsis of this conversation, for me, is stand up and make it happen. Powerful of a black woman to uphold and REMIND the black man.
Yh
But the question is: What does that mean/look like? Also, will she stay with him if it takes a long time to make it happen, and they’re struggling during that time?
We need clear objectives and strategies, if we’re going to make progress. If you come to me and tell me you’re struggling and I say stand up and make it happen, have I helped you?
I just discovered Soul! At 44 and Ms. Giovanni in the same year. In the past year I've made more discoveries that lead me to corner myself and make new assumptions about everything I ever was taught or thought I knew. Leading me to understand the older I get the less I know and in doing so I loose a false sense of education and grasp a real understanding of spiritual enlightenment. Thank you Mr. baldwen.. Ms. Giovanni and Mr.Haizlip for pushing black arts to what it is today and for what it will mean to the youth of future generations. In a time when mental health in the black community was non-existent or talked about I wonder if the viewers of this them knew that this was exactly what they were hearing in a honest, civil and unapologetic insightful conversation of the pivotal moment when feminism pointed out that Masculism not toxic masculinity was the issue as it was then and still is now. I never graduated highschool but I was blessed to grow up with the disruptor called the Internet and the free will inherit in all human beings that are not born into or a direct product of slavery to be able to seek out and learn how powerful this is.
"That lie to me" hit hard.
I watch this whole hour long conversation years ago and it’s still one of my favorite between a man and woman and my favorite authors
I have been watching this for years.. I love it still today and forever.
2:17 "if you're on welfare, he won't eat if I am there; that's the law"...let that sink in
I think I get it, but so you mind explaining?!
Yeah nawl.
Stop with the bs. Most black women on welfare in the 60s were married women whose men abandoned them
Laws agaisnt men in the house were there to prevent derelict men who had already had a family or 2 or 3 they had abandoned from laying up in a woman's home that thr govt subsidized
Next level conversations that we as blk ppl need to have in order to elevate!!!
Too bad she didn't meet a guy like me. I give hell at work but I'm all smiles at home. I totally get what she's saying. Be a man don't be a coward.
Can we just marvel at the cinematography/camera work? They turned 2 (maybe 3) cameras into absolute gold with all the various angles and shots they were getting. Masterful.
I saw this on SOUL! This is SOUL FOOD ✊🏾 I love how they subtly went into role play. HOT DAMN!!! 🔥🔥🔥❤️
This is the realest, most accurate piece of African American struggle of the post civil rights era.
I so love what she said... it rings so true... i never thought I would be in a situation wanting someone to fake love me.
This 🙏🏾
Nikki Giovanni Oh my God, I'm in love with her thoughts, her computing and her decernment!
How did even get here, its addictive 😂😂
I am so in love with this dialogue
She was very beautiful and spoke the truth!!!!
I love this! Very eye opening
Two of my most favorite people in the intellectual space.
I love this interview, I watch it plenty time just for the heaven of it
what an amazing genuine conversation
Hot diggity dog what a golden archive a black man in a black woman real black woman having a conversation either one of them putting each other funeral home
DAMN her words hit hard!!!!
I agree with everything she said except “the rent will get paid” who tf gonna pay it? 😂
You. Get yo ass out and a get a job
That was a beautiful dialogue between 2 intelligent people.
Years ago, I went on a second date at a bowling alley. At that time, my family was in crisis, and just as I greeted the girl, my younger brother called. I made it a habit to answer 100% of his calls because I wanted him to feel like no matter what there was one person in the world who’d always pick up, and he knew not to abuse that. However, that day he was extremely distressed due to our parents fighting, and the call took longer than expected. When I returned to the date, I was mentally distracted and apologized for not being fun. She comforted me, saying she'd enjoy our time together regardless, and urged me to just be myself. Her exact words were, "I want you to be wherever you are at the moment."
That was when I realized this was my person. That was four years ago (we're engaged now). I can't tell you how nourishing it is to be real. I can't help but smile when I'm with her. She is my home. When I see her, the smile happens all on its own. It's not that I don't make an effort to be kind, but my feelings are real. She knows when I smile it's because of the joy she gives, and truly that’s nourishing for her as well. Work sucks, life sucks, but we take refuge in one another.
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damn I love these kind of conversation. real talk of facts in a respectful way.
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She made him listen, without telling him to shut up. Beautiful ❤️
Most of us do but you don’t respect us when we are soft on you.
@@Autumn-zd9nq that’s not true
She was speaking emotionally, but rationally.
Damn she's beautiful...her face and voice just makes me smile
I felt every word she spoke. The sad part is that this still is needed. A woman, especially a black woman, is suppose to be a soft place for her man and family to land but she never has a soft place for herself to land..ijs
Most powerful point of view " what the he'll do I care about the truth I care if your there
You dont hurt those that you love bottom line. No matter how bad the day your mate or your child should not be the victim. Those are the ones you should turn to with open arms and LOVE. Not the enemies on the outer world that hate and despise your breath of existence.
I think, on the contrary, the ones you love are the ones you do hurt. Not by intention, of course.
Exactly.
So true, 💯 points
If you believe that, you will find yourself hurt. They will hurt you the most bcuz you are deeply invested. People we don’t care abt can say things and it won’t hurt us, but a love on says it and it hurts the most. I look at it biblically...the people Jesus loved crucified him. We hurt God daily, so is He suppose to stop loving us. Love is knowing forgiveness and you might as well give it because you will need it.
I could listen to these two people talk all day If I could.
Beautiful conversation. I wish I was there in the room ❤
It’s so heartbreaking to hear a man say he can’t smile to the person who loves him the most. Because he’s been knowingly fake smiling for people who don’t love him. How don’t you understand the difference between the fake and the real. Feeding what feeds you.
Black Folk need to learn to be genially pleasant and not bring out the big watermelon smile everybody's come to expect. Who's asking him to grin all day at work? Just be pleasant and genial.
Love her passion and attitude towards the world and how it was and maybe how it still is
Thank you for sharing a Conversation!!!!
The most Beautiful convo I’ve seen on Today.
"Amazing WHAT A Fantastic Speech SUCH A Delicious Magnificent Treat MR. J. Baldwin AND MS. N. Giovanni, Poetic... LOVE THIS, Classic PEACE,😯😍😁📸📺📻🎙️🍰📖😯😍😁📸📺📻🎙️🍰📖
Not sure why I feel this conversation in my soul 😔
This is realist idea about any relationship. Both their rebuttals were on point. You want me to lie but I can’t perform twice.
If a man cannot be himself, his true self, with his wife, then who could he be true with??
This is the burden of the black man (man of color) in America.
Someone understands
@神 Seeking Techniques 神 That's a wrong assumption though. The assumption is that the black man cannot control his emotions and take it out on his wife and kids. That's not what James was speaking about at all!!
What Mr. Baldwin was describing is the burden of the black man that puts his family first. The traumas he has to deal with in order to feed his family. No man should have to come home and not share with his wife what he's going thru. He should be able to get a shoulder to cry on from his wife, he should be able to express himself and his wife help heal his wounds knowing that he endures abuse in order to feed his family.
A man needs to know that his wife understands him and has his back, that will motivate him to continue enduring knowing that his wife and kids understand. He'll do everything for his family
Sadly the generation I’m in black men and women can’t find commend ground to have a conversation like this anymore. It’s always who bigger or better . Them men act like women and the women act like men .
In what what did they find common ground? She's asking for something, he asked how she proposed it would work, and she gave an ambiguous answer that he didn't even reply to. Very confused how this was anything but a sign of what was about to happen to the community
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist it’s the fact that he’s listening… not talking over her , not interrupting her with aggressive masculine energy, but taking in everything she’s say’s instead of judging. Something a lot of men in todays age lack. The fact that’s he is hearing her out and excepting her point of views . As black women we tend to say how we feel but no one listens, or they say we are aggressive or demanding or angry.
@@mariaSanchez-ub7ds that's not common ground that's listening to a woman... Considering the changes in the community can you really blame men for not listening? Clearly it doesn't work
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist …
@@mariaSanchez-ub7ds thanks for immediately proving my point lol
Love these two so deep
The "you must, you must" that she said was very powerful it's as though her voice was breaking as she was saying it
Amazing. Absolutely Amazing.
This is a beautiful convo.
a beautiful conversation
A sexy grown conversation..this is so epic #classic 🔥🔥
" As long as the assumuptions are the same, nothing will change. We must corner ourselves to make new assumptions." POWERFUL!!!
Two great people
Love this!!!
She was a content creator back then 😂😂
This changed my perspective 100%
We need more of this TODAY!!!
Matthew 6:25-33 New International Version (NIV)
Do Not Worry
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[a]?
Real men work to take care of themselves not date and copulate.
Procreation is for the emotionally weak and fragile.
You are your own soulmate. Not any female.
There is no paradise without sacrifice.
☮
So profound and the same struggles exist(ed) for the South Asians in Britain (England)
She is amazing, how enlightening!!