One thing i realised and i think all of us can learn it too is that the investigation officer do read our comments daily learn from all our comments, revisit all the stream videos of the cross examination to try to close all the loop holes and get as much information on how to run away from the truth of the matter. We are also playing a big role with our comments to cover up all the mistakes.
We need someone from the service providers to come and testify and to tell the court what was being said in the said calls or contacts between the alleged accused
I think Mshololo did call Lungisani Ndwadwe not her client..i realy dnt know what this calls taking us to bcoz they are 2018,2020 so as this Lungisani has been pined to be Ntuli..the state came with empty hands in this case just ratha is there as a state shield
Mr Yaka who used to work for correctional service came back from retirement to testify while colonel Steyn is not required to come back and testify,why is that?
So Mshololo knew it's wrong for a prisoner to have a cellphone and she still continued to phone him while he was in prison? Why did she not report this offense to the relevant authorities? What is the Legal Practice Council saying about legal practitioners who commit such acts?
Allegedly: All I see here is that the investigator played mind games with all this witnesses and so called Experts, It appears that he was allegedly lying to them on the purpose of investigating, It seems like they were given different scenarios that is why Contradictions after Contradictions. Eg Kennel Styn was used for a certain part and then left behind so this one can continue, But it seems like they all don't know that this thing is cooked until Defense Cross examination begins. I Don't see any reason to continue with this Suspects, State is already exposed to the core, What more are we still waiting for. THEY MUST ARREST THE RIGHT SUSPECTS WHO WERE IN THE HOUSE, DOC 375 Must Take over please
😅😅 uyabona ke wena mtase uwena owazi uthando lwange mpela. Uthi loba ebunzimeni mina ngiyayifela ngawe Ntanzi 😅 I applaud for you dearest and love does not chose
I think it's more about their survival now, remember the conditions for activating 375 is that if these guys are not found guilty then 375 comes in. These people have broken so many laws and they are trying to cover their backs by creating more and more lies. It's like digging a hole to cover a hole situation. It is no longer about justice but survival. I wonder who the guy who had cross belt that Ntanzi saw twice is. My instinct tells me that person is the source of this nyakanyaka. If only he can be identified
@@mphohadebe3661 I don't trust our justice system, yes they should be arrested all the people involved in this case. I'm not saying the accused are innocent, yes they have their our crimes committed but for Senso's case I doubt it. The people who were in that spaza shop should tell us the truth
What a waste of yime listening to 2020 data, instead of 2014 data. Someone please make me to understand, Senzo was deleted at Khumalis house and they eye witness must come and help the court on what happened inside that SPAZA house and case closed. Longwe must also come and help the court what did he saw that fateful night
Oh come on, you're still on that conspiracy theories? This nkabis lied that they don't know each other, but cellphone records proved otherwise. Now you're going to say police have cooked the records, are you for real? Whose Ntanzi anyway that the whole justice system will go after him?
Meaning when he was 1st charged for the case and told that he was arrested for Senzos murder. when the police went to Qalakabusha, they already have evidence against him. the fone thing was just a cherry on top. That's is my understanding when I follow the case.
@@ZemkorConsulting-ho4dv But remember the head of prison said he received info that Ntuli was in possession of a cellphone and when he got to the his cell he asked Ntuli to give him the cellphone which he says Ntuli gave it to him and now the analyst says the phone was taken when Ntuli was arrested
@@ZemkorConsulting-ho4dv So by analysing your understanding I am getting the sense that you are acknowledging that the police planted evidence to frame the accused???
We are not saying he is guilty. Ntanzi actually exposed the evil unit so called called case unit. With their commander brigadier Satan now he is bitter he want to make sure Ntanzi goes down
The judge treats the defence like children.....haybo...is he supposed to behave like that....UMngomezulu naye uthule....can't they report him to their higher bodied
This thing of pictures is easy one can download from social media and then moved to a memory card so what does the pic of 2020 have to do with a murder of 2014
If you open your ears you'll know that the expert can determine whether the photos were taken with the same phone. The problem is that you talk too much and don't listen.
Because he is the one they said went into the house allegedly. So at all cost he want him. Again is the one free the rest are serving sentences. So he want him
I said that the head of prison should be arrested for lying cos now who is telling the truth cos this analyst says the Stylo was found when Ntuli was arrested and head of prison said it was found in prison
This case state u very useless why they don't bring record or message to court wht accused was talking about Jerr this don't mean if accused go the number for each other they went to kill senzo why baloi he's forcing this case bring 375 an u wht is there
Next time you must follow all the evidence brought before the court not the hearsay, at first the accussed said they do not know each other. Their cellphone numbers were presented in court they denied those numbers, last week a witness from Natis was brought to prove that indeed the cellphone numbers belong to the accussed, they are the ones who who gave those numbers to the traffic department before the murder was committed. Now the question is if you do not know that person why would you have their contact details, why are you communicating with someone you say you don't know
Are we sure that those numbers were there. If I have your phone I can save numbers before I take it to so called experts that is why there is no msg because it will record the right time anything is possible is like placing a corps in your yard then I call police and say there is person lying in your yard
@slindileluthuli3905 I think when it's comes to cell phone number's the service provider once the number is not being used for certain periods that number is given to someone else cos currently I'm using the number that was being used by someone and m still receiving calls of the previous users.
This judge should be recused from this case he is using emotions here they should make an application for his recusal how can a judge say yesses in court
If Ntanzi's phone was really confiscated on the 16 June 2020,who was doing this inshot on his phone on 20 Nevember 2020. A lot is happening on this case😢
That's why i say there's a lot of lies in this case and Gininda wants Ntanzi to go down because most of the witnesses who've been to court talk about Ntanzi
@@malungizama4538 People can steal your pictures and open another profile using your details and Mogane said the phone was found at Villeria police station not in prison
@@malungizama4538 what do you mean when you say another one? because here they talk about one phone,the issue here is wheather it was taken from him in prison or on the day they arrest him
Ratha he’s disgusting judge I wonder how much was paid old man who likes money ,,, Mlambo where are you take your judge leave ntanzi alone he’s was working supporting his family why baloyi unenhliziyo embi njenge face yakhe
One thing i realised and i think all of us can learn it too is that the investigation officer do read our comments daily learn from all our comments, revisit all the stream videos of the cross examination to try to close all the loop holes and get as much information on how to run away from the truth of the matter. We are also playing a big role with our comments to cover up all the mistakes.
110% correct
Exactky what i think, instead of the defence reading here😭...
And fix their script after
Kaka le uythethayo...
@@user-bn4ol8uy7l and then ubukrwada obu bungena phi?
If usafuna ukuba inkabi these days you need to be educated eish ngoba kunzima e court kunzima ngisho kubamele
Baloi and judge are doing very well so far
This judge intervenes whenever he see that the witness will be in a corner
I am not sure about the relevance of some of the questions adv. Mngomezulu is asking
Is to show that this guy is lying and removed Sibiya in that chain of evidence he was bringing
You need to be a lernerd friend to understand
We need someone from the service providers to come and testify and to tell the court what was being said in the said calls or contacts between the alleged accused
Nah we don't, remember this guys said they don't know each other. The truth is in front of our eyes
I think Mshololo did call Lungisani Ndwadwe not her client..i realy dnt know what this calls taking us to bcoz they are 2018,2020 so as this Lungisani has been pined to be Ntuli..the state came with empty hands in this case just ratha is there as a state shield
The Defence is very frustrating and unprofessional to their clients.
whether you like it or not;;all the accused wiĺl be convicted including the mastermìnd
Mr Yaka who used to work for correctional service came back from retirement to testify while colonel Steyn is not required to come back and testify,why is that?
Cellphone expert appeared shaky when Mngo entered the arena. It was Hot. Everything has a start and the end. It will end in tears
Just how many police witnesses are involved in this case🙆🏿♂️
So Mshololo knew it's wrong for a prisoner to have a cellphone and she still continued to phone him while he was in prison? Why did she not report this offense to the relevant authorities? What is the Legal Practice Council saying about legal practitioners who commit such acts?
Data analyst has just killed Mogane. He only did the analysis of the phone confiscated during the arrest .Next 😂😂😂😂
hayi bo lifundile leli phpyisa likwazi to convert pdf to excel
Allegedly: All I see here is that the investigator played mind games with all this witnesses and so called Experts, It appears that he was allegedly lying to them on the purpose of investigating, It seems like they were given different scenarios that is why Contradictions after Contradictions.
Eg Kennel Styn was used for a certain part and then left behind so this one can continue, But it seems like they all don't know that this thing is cooked until Defense Cross examination begins.
I Don't see any reason to continue with this Suspects, State is already exposed to the core, What more are we still waiting for. THEY MUST ARREST THE RIGHT SUSPECTS WHO WERE IN THE HOUSE, DOC 375 Must Take over please
Im echoing the same sentiments
Ask him as an expert analyzed when this pic was taken. Did he analyze the metadata?
I like the last question from Mgomezulu...
What time
You guys You cooking this forensic yoo😂
Did they close comments 😮??
Yes they did i dont know why i tried to check
Re lla ka mokoupere woo mme ha gona kgato ye tswewang go thata gore a ntshiwe kante his behaviour suxxxx🤮👎🏿🚩
Haibo 50:46 was the communication between them in 2014 or when? I missed that part.
Rewind
Who would've thunk it...very out of the box. Gracias
@@rita_TM You’re welcome! 😇
Ziyakhala more😢
How can this guy claim that pdf can not be edited?
Ngeke liphinde liphele lelicala
Mina ngyamthanda uNtanz ngifuna ukuba umuntu wakhe shame sothandana esejele uma limlahla lelicala
😅😅 uyabona ke wena mtase uwena owazi uthando lwange mpela. Uthi loba ebunzimeni mina ngiyayifela ngawe Ntanzi 😅 I applaud for you dearest and love does not chose
Maratha is so excited about this witness evidence, seems like he forgot Ntanzi couldn’t have taken and photos from 20 June 2020 cause he was arrested.
Crimes don't pay
Sometimes I received a call from a Company, but the name that reflect on my phone is not the original name of the Company who call me at that moment.
The accused persons are going to jail.
Yaka must be arrested
This case has a bigger person being protected not Chicco
Chicco is the big person, I didn't know that he is so powerful 😢
@@nakedrefiloeramushu6636 But do you think he has money to bribe all these people who have been in court to lie and contradict each other
I think it's more about their survival now, remember the conditions for activating 375 is that if these guys are not found guilty then 375 comes in.
These people have broken so many laws and they are trying to cover their backs by creating more and more lies. It's like digging a hole to cover a hole situation. It is no longer about justice but survival.
I wonder who the guy who had cross belt that Ntanzi saw twice is. My instinct tells me that person is the source of this nyakanyaka. If only he can be identified
But the problem now is if thi acused win this case its means Baloyi Gininda must be arested ngokufihla ubufakazi
@@mphohadebe3661 I don't trust our justice system, yes they should be arrested all the people involved in this case. I'm not saying the accused are innocent, yes they have their our crimes committed but for Senso's case I doubt it. The people who were in that spaza shop should tell us the truth
What a waste of yime listening to 2020 data, instead of 2014 data. Someone please make me to understand, Senzo was deleted at Khumalis house and they eye witness must come and help the court on what happened inside that SPAZA house and case closed.
Longwe must also come and help the court what did he saw that fateful night
Oh come on, you're still on that conspiracy theories? This nkabis lied that they don't know each other, but cellphone records proved otherwise. Now you're going to say police have cooked the records, are you for real? Whose Ntanzi anyway that the whole justice system will go after him?
MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARASIN
Awu now the Stylo was found in possession of Ntuli when he was arrested not when he was in prison,tjo amasimba ngempela
Meaning when he was 1st charged for the case and told that he was arrested for Senzos murder. when the police went to Qalakabusha, they already have evidence against him. the fone thing was just a cherry on top. That's is my understanding when I follow the case.
@@ZemkorConsulting-ho4dv But remember the head of prison said he received info that Ntuli was in possession of a cellphone and when he got to the his cell he asked Ntuli to give him the cellphone which he says Ntuli gave it to him and now the analyst says the phone was taken when Ntuli was arrested
@@ZemkorConsulting-ho4dv And the head of prison only deposed his statement last year of an incident that happened 3 years ago about the said cellphone
@@ZemkorConsulting-ho4dv So by analysing your understanding I am getting the sense that you are acknowledging that the police planted evidence to frame the accused???
There's something I don't understand right here they found a phone from ntuli or Ntanzi?
Hi
He hates him cause he refused to be used. (1) (He rejected the 3 Millions, (2)exposed his team assaulted him, (3) exposed he never hired Mjiyako.
Gininda will make sho Ntanzi goes for all that u mentioned
What are you talking because about Ntanzi is GUILTY? 🤔
He's pinned. All evidence doesn't tally. Has no gold tooth no tattoo
We are not saying he is guilty. Ntanzi actually exposed the evil unit so called called case unit. With their commander brigadier Satan now he is bitter he want to make sure Ntanzi goes down
The judge treats the defence like children.....haybo...is he supposed to behave like that....UMngomezulu naye uthule....can't they report him to their higher bodied
When is lebo coming to testify, we wanna hear what she was being told during those pillow talks 👄 ❤
Don't trust Lebo to come and testify she might throw Ntanzi under the bus,money is the root of evil,look at how Senzo's friends betrayed him
This thing of pictures is easy one can download from social media and then moved to a memory card so what does the pic of 2020 have to do with a murder of 2014
You can ask that again
Lots in this case is really confusing
I think it's to confirm that indeed those phones belong to the accused
Bcs you dont want to hear you wont hear it was explained long time ago that the case was re opened in 2020 bcs of new evidence
If you open your ears you'll know that the expert can determine whether the photos were taken with the same phone. The problem is that you talk too much and don't listen.
What i have noticed with this case,Gininda wants Ntanzi to go down and I don't know why he hates Ntanzi so much
Because he is the one they said went into the house allegedly. So at all cost he want him. Again is the one free the rest are serving sentences. So he want him
Ntanzi will sue them big monies if he go free,he was working and never have a criminal record
Did they know each other pesonatly?
No he exposed his reign of terror or horror unit of his so he wants to prove a point
he "ntanzi" refused to do his duty work by throwing others under the bus, and refused bribery money.
Ntanzi bathong haik
There was communication between all the suspect thus what he said
Is the judge not having friends?
I always ask myself wa tseba
Not in court, NO!@@Ms_Mankotham
I ask myself that his children doesn't advise
Its better you can be a dudge if this one have problems
Someone show Mnisi the time is @50:00
That is where the delulu started when he said he can not see, let's forgive him.
welcome to so called judge Rathas circus
Kanti liqgitywa nini elityala
Uyeyisa lomdidi welekhehla
I said that the head of prison should be arrested for lying cos now who is telling the truth cos this analyst says the Stylo was found when Ntuli was arrested and head of prison said it was found in prison
😂😂😂 even mogane he lied about Ntanzi 's phone being confiscated in Valerian
😁😁😁U my lothi ne Afrikaans yakhe ko 👂 💡 🌞
😂😂😂
2weeks course😂😂😂
U Baloyi uma eke wavula umlomo kuvele kuthi angife fiii.... Kufana nokubala igama lika Gininda 😏
Stevovo ❤
Alisale seliphela icala sekuzwakele
This case state u very useless why they don't bring record or message to court wht accused was talking about Jerr this don't mean if accused go the number for each other they went to kill senzo why baloi he's forcing this case bring 375 an u wht is there
Next time you must follow all the evidence brought before the court not the hearsay, at first the accussed said they do not know each other. Their cellphone numbers were presented in court they denied those numbers, last week a witness from Natis was brought to prove that indeed the cellphone numbers belong to the accussed, they are the ones who who gave those numbers to the traffic department before the murder was committed. Now the question is if you do not know that person why would you have their contact details, why are you communicating with someone you say you don't know
Are we sure that those numbers were there. If I have your phone I can save numbers before I take it to so called experts that is why there is no msg because it will record the right time anything is possible is like placing a corps in your yard then I call police and say there is person lying in your yard
@slindileluthuli3905 I think when it's comes to cell phone number's the service provider once the number is not being used for certain periods that number is given to someone else cos currently I'm using the number that was being used by someone and m still receiving calls of the previous users.
That doesn't mean the police can't save the number on your foon before send it for download. Anyone who has access on Iran save any number
@@melusimalinga7509We are talking about these nkabis, now you're coming with some irrelevant technicalities
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Ratha is annoying tjoo
ANC waiting state money
Ka zs677at@
This judge should be recused from this case he is using emotions here they should make an application for his recusal how can a judge say yesses in court
Yazi I was also saying the same thing..he even start to sweat😅😅😅
@@zinhlezion Lobaba has already made a ruling he is just pushing time till the end of the case
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Agreed. I know it will start all over again, but at least we pray for a fair judge. This one is compromised already
True.
If Ntanzi's phone was really confiscated on the 16 June 2020,who was doing this inshot on his phone on 20 Nevember 2020.
A lot is happening on this case😢
That's why i say there's a lot of lies in this case and Gininda wants Ntanzi to go down because most of the witnesses who've been to court talk about Ntanzi
Ntanzi had another phone while he was in jail, that's why he was busy posting on Facebook
@@malungizama4538 People can steal your pictures and open another profile using your details and Mogane said the phone was found at Villeria police station not in prison
@malungizama4538 are you saying he had 2 J5s , one that was taken from during arrest and tge second one when he was in the cells
@@malungizama4538 what do you mean when you say another one?
because here they talk about one phone,the issue here is wheather it was taken from him in prison or on the day they arrest him
Baloyi Issa witch 🧙♀️
Why
Ratha he’s disgusting judge I wonder how much was paid old man who likes money ,,, Mlambo where are you take your judge leave ntanzi alone he’s was working supporting his family why baloyi unenhliziyo embi njenge face yakhe
Remember he’s retired. He need money to support himself
😂😂😂
@@PNk489Why will a retired judge sit on the bench? He is hearing this case because he is still active