'am i turning into a wilhelm anti?' young royals - 3x04 reaction
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Thank you for calling out Wille regurgitating his mother's line about being a prince is a privilege. A Gilded cage is still a cage!
Simon explaining why it’s important to be interested in social issues to Wille, the same way that Felice tries to explain what being a Black girl at Hillerska is like and the hierarchy mentality that puts her at the bottom just because she is Black, to her girl group. Both Simon and Felice just go quiet or change the subject because these white elite kids just don't get it.
I imagine Felice and Simon discussing issues like these on their summer holidays and Wille listening in and learning a thing or two.
YES EXACTLY! I can't believe half the people in my comments didn't get that when it's so obvious???
I understand why Wille doesn’t want to be advocate for others. He has always been seen as someone who is a role model to others or has to be and he just wants to be with Simon without doing other things connected with this. He finally has something he can do without being seen.
I can understand that since this is where Wille is coming from, but I can't help but feel for Simon so much in this scene 😔 Being an activist with strong morals is such a big part of Simon's personality (and mine lol), that it just hurts to understand that Wille actually doesn't really care that much :/ Like he could have chosen a charity that meant something to him without necessarily being linked to the queer community. Simon's idea about mental health for exemple, or choose something else in that pile, but instead Wille went for what was expected of him :/ Partly bc he's trying to behave for his mom's sake, I know that, but also bc he can't be bothered to be interested in things like that and in my mind it's so much worse 😭 Like I do feel for him and I understand just wanting to simply exist... but idk... saying what he said just after Simon reminded him that people are dying in other countries bc they're queer is just :/ It hurts...
@@lovemyshelf Yes I absolutely get that! And I agree that it’s definitely an important thing for Simon but tbh I think Wille doesn’t even know much about LGBTQ+, he just knows he is in love with Simon and he doesn’t realise what does it mean for Simon
@@sarka_moravkova Oh most definitely!
Wille has every right to live a normal life w/out being a role model let the boy live pls
@@ozi9888 Of course he can! But at the end of the day, this scene (like many others this season) circles back to a place of privillege. I'm not asking for Wille to advocate for queer rights btw, but just to be more politically engaged, especially since that's literally part of his job description. (And when I say that, I mean I would have been fine with him picking absolutely anything as long as he genuinely cared for it, but the point is, he doesn't.) I'm aftaid Simon and I see eye to eye about those kind of stuff, and I was on his side during the whole episode.
I really love about S3 that it focuses more on exploring privilege and class issues. As much as I love Wilmon and their relationship, the social issues were always very important in YR, and sometimes people didn‘t see that, because they were so in love with the romance. But there is a bigger picture. YR has so much more to say than „love is love“.
Yes, I agree it always had a bigger message. The lead love story was so compelling and well acted that the bigger picture got lost for some viewers. It's why I love the character of Vincent. He says out loud all the values of most of Wille's class and points out to the audience: these are the values these teenagers were raised on and what Hillerska stands for. We don't like or agree with them because we like Wille. But this is where he's coming from.
Picturing what August and his class went through is so awful, every stage of it. August's relationship with his body after having his body humiliated in front of people he looked up to, is heartbreaking. That and the messed up way he put Simon and Wille's bodies on display for the world to see. It's so many layers of messed up.
Oooh you're pointing out something really insteresting! I wished they had leaned into that storyline a little more!
it's the cycle of violence. that would have a plot thread worth fleshing out more so that we could get good representation of men talking about their relationships to their bodies.
Like since season one Wille has been parenting himself. He's not getting that comfort from a parental figure like Simon is. So him really only thinking about things that will hurt the monarchy, that's the only thing he knows that will make his mother feel better. He's taken the role of parent on here. I absolutely hate what the monarchy is doing to SImon but it's not Wille's doing.
Yes, but Wille is dating a working class latinx gay guy, so the least he could do is to educate himself on the subjects that matter so much to Simon. Not getting comfort from a parental figure doesn't mean Wille can't try to listen to Simon's perspective, or read a book idk 😭 He's a seventeen years old boy with a internet connexion, not a child! His reaction clearly stems from his privillege and that's exactly why he needs to work on that, as long as he wants to be with Simon anyway.
@@lovemyshelf Wille has been way more sheltered than Simon. He's only JUST realizing there are other point of views. He's spent his life being told what to do, what to think, what to wear. Don't forget there isn't that much time since the first episode of the first season and now. It's only been about seven months. But sixteen/seventeen is a child, both of them are children.
@@slaterchest7153 You're right. Their circumstances are different and it explains the divide between them. But it's still not an excuse. I understand why Wilhelm wasn't educated on those subjects until now, but that's specifically why he should have tried to listen to Simon more and understand what he meant. I work around teenagers four days a week. I've seen plenty of different ways they think about stuff and there is a bit of everything. It's normal. But Wilhelm is a prince. Even if he was sheltered and made to think a certain way by the royal court, we could argue that he probably has seen/heard about way more political things than the average 16 yo. That scene where they talk about the charity thing is heartbreaking bc Simon knows Wilhelm doesn't want to do it, so he tries to make him see the positive: "Hey, I know this is linked to this position you hate. But you could actually choose something meaningful." And yet Wilhelm doesn't want to. Can't be bother to try. For someone as politically driven as Simon, seeing Wille's indifference is like a slap to the face. Yes, Wille wants to be a regular person, I get that. But he ISN'T. He is privilleged whether he wants it or not, so to purposefully choose not to use his position to do something good. Something that could be meaningful to him is a bit meh :/ And I'm not even saying he should have done something for the queer community. But literally anything else. As long as he tried. I would have gone easier on Wille if I had gotten the impression that he just didn't have all the info and was only starting to question the world around him, but it's not really the case anymore. It was in s2 but not in s3, not as long as he had Simon by his side. At least not until the last ep of s3.
Yes Wilhelm can be annoying but he is also under the most amount of pressure, from the Royal Court, Farima, and constant reminders that everything he does can have an affect on his mother's already declining mental health.
Totally! But that doesn't excuse Wille's behaviour throughout the rest of the season (especially in ep5 with Simon) If Simon can go through stressful situations and endure harassement + being scared for his life and still be empathetic, why can't Wille? I understand that Wille is having a hard time and everything he went through since s1 changed him. That's literally the point of season 3, but it's heartbreaking to see him be so self absorbed at times and defensive. Wille himself said so at the start of ep6. He shouldn't have put the weight of everything he's feeling on Simon, that's not fair 😔 All I'm doing is holding him accountable.
I mean, that’s the way Wille was brought up, that is what he learned. He did not learn to be empathetic and caring - but Simon did. That is why Wille is the one who has to change and make a big decision at some point. Simon tried to change too, but it was not the way into a healthy relationship, and it is good that he realized that .
@@user-mn2xd6rd6b Wilhelm wasn't like that in season 1 tho. He's always been a little bit self centered (which makes sense with his upbringing, I agree), but in s1 he was more patient and attentive :( But again, it was the point of his character to go through all that!
@@lovemyshelfI think it‘s a strong story arch, but hard to watch sometimes 😂
My filling on Wilhelm in this season is this, at the end of season 2 Wilhelm’s speech was him both making a stand about his sexuality and relationship with Simon but also about him finally accepting his role as crown prince. I feel the second part of that explains a lot of his behavior this season. The closer he gets to the throne and the more he accepts his role as crown prince the more the things that drew him to Simon in the first place are now tearing them apart. I think deep down he does agree with Simon but since he’s accepted that he will be king he feels he can no longer indulge those beliefs anymore. You can see in the way he spits out the same dogma his mom has told him from the start.
As for the season itself, this is definitely leagues better than season 2 even tho I didn’t hate season 2 as much as you did. I feel this season is still to fresh to compare it with season 1 yet, but given time it has the potential to overtake season 1 as my favorite. For now tho, I’ll say season 1 is still my favorite, I feel like they caught lightning in a bottle that season. It’s just magical.
Idk if deep down Wille really shared those beliefs tho :/ I think he's mostly indifferent, but I do agree with your reading of Wilhelm and his evolution.
edvin was actually talking abt it like how he’s only 16 who trying to fit in ,if it’s the scene when he’s saying he going to work , and it’s like a summer school for example..
Like basically his character going through a lot .. if it’s Erik or it’s his mom that pressuring him into this world and the exceptions he have from others .. his relationship with his parents that really so complicated and him feeling alone in all of this . I actually understand the way he act even if it’s a bit impulsive but also I understand how he’s not always trying to see Simon pov or like being there for him I think they could’ve definitely handle overall the communication situation better ..it does feel like there’s unnecessary drama sometimes or plot holes so yeah
Je suis d’accord - la première saison sera toujours ma saison préférée 💜 j’ai l’impression que la deuxième était un petit peu “off track” mais que la troisième est vraiment revenue à la bonne place.
Une des choses que j’aime le plus dans la série, c’est la complexité des personnages - surtout pour Wilhelm et August, aucun n’est entièrement bon ou mauvais, on voit leurs défauts humains et on les voit prendre des bonnes et des mauvaises décisions et grandir a travers tout ça. J’avais de la misère parfois avec Wilhelm cette saison mais j’aime qu’on a vu un peu le “it gets worse before it gets better” avec sa mentalité et son rôle en tant que prince - il est devenu de plus en plus ancré avec la famille royale et la mentalité de la reine (ce qui, pour moi, aurait été impensable du Wille de la saison 1) mais je pense que c’était nécessaire qu’il s’y empreigne à 100% pour mieux voir les failles dans le système et réaliser que ça ne lui convient pas. August... honnêtement, je pense que c'est l'un des personnages les mieux écrits de la série et je suis tellement contente qu'il n'est pas juste étiqueté comme le "bad guy" et qu'on comprend (sans l'excuser) mieux pourquoi il fait les choix qu'il a fait.
Comme toujours, j'adore tes vidéos et ça me fait revivre la première fois que j'ai vue la saison 3 alors gros merci!!!
I have watched many Young Royal reaction videos and I have to say, yours are by far the best.👌 You give such interesting analysis and really think about what the characters are saying and doing. You mentioned the music at one point being from another scene in Season 1, and I agree that I found that quite annoying. When I hear certain pieces I picture the scene it comes from in my head (as I'm sure everyone does), but now it is getting confusing! 🥴 Look forward to seeing your reactions to Eps 5 & 6. 🥰
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying my reactions and what I have to say about the show 🥺
@@lovemyshelf I'm watching your Heartstopper reactions now ready for Season 3.😊
@@pinkttamburini oh, i explained in a video that i won't post my reactions to hs s3 😔 young royals is the last show i'm going to react to on my channel, otherwise there might be movies sometimes but no more shows, i think 💜
@@lovemyshelf That's a shame, as your videos are really enjoyable, but totally understand; you need to do what is best for you. 😊 I have alot of your videos to catch up on, so that will keep me busy for a while! 🙃
@@pinkttamburini That's very sweet of you, thank you 🥺
I think at this point Wilhelm was really afraid of another scandal. He wanted just do what the court told him because he was scared that his mother wont get better and he had to step in when he becomes 18.
And he really learned things from Simon as you can see in the final episode.
I understand that but even by just speaking to Simon on 1/1 in this scene, I wished we could have seen that Wille cared about something. I won't get into too much details bc I've already discussed this with other people here, you're welcome to go through the comments if you want to see where I'm at 😊
Thank you for another wonderful reaction!! I agree that it's not Simon's job to educate him, but I do think teenagers do learn from each other in this way, through social relationships. Not everything can be googled and then magically stays with you, especially if it goes against everything you've learned before. He's practically grown up in a cult. Some things have to be experienced, or shown to you through people you love or at least have a connection to. Of course, if it's too much for Simon, he should not do it - I just think Wilhelm is progressing as fast as he can given the circumstances. It's hinted at quite a bit, like through how Felice's dad describes his time at Hillerska, when Felice says she hasn't thought much about the intiations or school traditions before, or when Vincent says he thinks Simon is probably 'the only one' at Hillerska who cares Workers' Day. Hillerska is part of the same cult as the royals.
The final scene of this episode is when season 3 really begin.
I’m not ready for the reaction videos to end because then it’s really over… no more yr💔💜
I felt early on when viewing S3 that YR had returned to the higher production values / aesthetics of S1. The story is now delving into issues only glanced at earlier, such as racism and classism. Now in the rear view mirror, S2 felt like it was treading water story-wise.
I have the theory that Wilhelm 'having' Simon in the way that he wants him was his ultimate goal. So when he had him, he returned to the staus quo of his upbringing that he always had. There was no need, in his head, for him to push against how things were in S2, or grow and think outside of his and Simon's bubble.
Spoiler...
So Simon leaving him at the end of ep5 had him back to being self-analytical and more self-aware, in order to be the person Simon saw in him.
I think W and S will continue to butt heads in their conversations as Wille starts to learn more about the world around him and starts to firm his own opinions. And that will be real growth and maturity for their relationship.
I agree. I also felt a tad "icky" about Wilhelm saying that "at least people know he's in a relationship with a guy so it means something" bc I agree... but he's saying that as if he had planned for their relationship to be public bc he wanted to send a message of tolerance to the world, and not just get Simon back and "regain" his trust back. Like idk how to explain what I mean, but I really expected more of him after seeing him question tradition and rules in s2 😔
I agree with the last part of your comment as well, I just wished Wilhelm didn't need to lose Simon every time in order to do some introspection and reflect on the world 😭
@lovemyshelf I totally understand what you mean by the "regain his trust back". He often thinks for and does things for Simon that he thinks Simon wants. Like announcing to the world that he was in the video with Simon. Yes, Simon prefers to not be a secret, but when he specifically says that he's now prepared to be a secret, he goes for the romantic gesture and public announcement. Tellingly he looked right at Simon mid speech as soon as he did that for his approval.
Also, when he comes to Simon's House in S2 and tells him that he hasn't told Simon about August taking and sharing the sex tape because August is his back-up, that was a lie because he'd only just learned that August was his back-up. He's reasoning before that was that he didn't trust Simon to understand why they can't go to the police.
These are all pretty young mistakes to make in relationships, I think in the future Simon would call out Wille on these mistakes and they'll fight about it.
I see Wille's personality and character growth without the crown and with more friends like Felice and Simon helping him to become a real boy, not a frog Prince! I really like to imagine his friendship with Sara who's so brutally honest and would really push him.
@@lovemyshelfand yeah, I think the fact that they will inevitably gonto different schools for the last two years of schooling will be good for Wille. Having time away from Simon and learning to be the person he can be for his own sake without having Simon there, will be good for him.
I think now when Wille will not be s prince, he will have more time to explore the world and change his opinions about something or he won’t be scared to do something because he won’t be a prince
@@sarka_moravkova This is my hope as well! I guess I (and Simon lol) just both got caught of guard in this episode bc this Wille clashed with the idea we had of him all this time 😬
Wille's argument that he can't have a foundation that is political because he's a royal, is frustrating and hypocritical, both on his part and the monarchy's.
Being human is political. Wille already took a stand (as Vincent points out) by acknowledging he was with a same sex partner in a public speech. Being openly queer and a Prince is inherently political. Whether or not Wille labels himself a such, that is how he will be perceived. So when he does care about something he will take a stand, but when he doesn't care - like signing the Hillerska petition, or choosing a foundation that has meaning to him - then he brings up the Royal Court party line about not being able to speak on political things.
I think part of Simon's look of disappointment here is that he knows that Wille has strong feelings about things and has made a stand before. Simon knows he is choosing to cowtow to the Royal Court right now and has the politics as an excuse. He's not pushing back at tradition as Simon witnessed him doing in Season 2. He is becoming more like his mother, and not the boy Simon recognises.
Also, Wille has made it known that his relationship is with a gay, latino, immigrant from the working class. That means that the political gaze of the public is zeroed in on Simon. The hate Simon gets is anti-immigrant: (imported problems at Hillerska); classist: (class traitor); racist stereotyping: (Latino lover bouncing between boyfriends) and homophobic: (all the slurs in the comments). Simon's existence is political and he can't get away from it. One of his identities is targeted in every space he's in: in the classroom (from Henry in s1, at the lunch table (from August in s1 and Vincent, on the bus, in choir, online.)
But Wille, in his privileged position, can decide whether or not to dip his toes into politics.
Yes!!! Thank you so much! I think it says a lot that some people are trying to defend Wille by saying his existence shouldn't have to be political, bc on one hand, I do understand, but on the other hand, Simon doesn't have a choice. Choosing not to dip your toes into politics, or at the very least not learn about systematic opressions etc. is something only privilleged people get to do. That's what annoyed me a lot in this scene. I can understand not being able to take a stand bc of the crown etc. But he could have at least give a shit privately? Apparently not...
i would just love to sit and talk YR with you. this is such a good breakdown and I agree with everything you say.
Just followed you back! My dms are open 🥺💜