Trope Talk: Kaiju
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Giant monsters! Spectacular, awe-inspiring, best experienced when paired with a fine Giant Robot to taste! But if you're expecting empty spectacle combat in this video, think again - kaiju movies are often extremely politically loaded, since kaiju make very convenient analogies for any Giant Scary Threats that society might be dealing with! Spoiler alert - I talk about nukes a lot in this one.
EXAMPLES USED: Godzilla (1954), King Kong (1933, 2005, 2017), King Of The Monsters (2019), Chernobyl (2019), Pacific Rim (2013)
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All riiiiight, you've sold me, I'll watch Shin Godzilla! -R
Good luck, Red.
i came to the comments to ask why u didn’t mention that film!!!!!
imo knee godzilla is better than shin godzilla
What movie was it at around 9:08
I was just about to comment after finishing the video. so I'll just let you enjoy it. but I notice 1998 Godzilla was left out, can't imagine why...
Here's a theory: Clifford is actually Fenrir. Ragnarok already happened, and his fur is red because it's soaked with Odin's blood.
and now he walks among a grateful world, where those crazy gods aren't drinking oceans, punching mountains or killing each other as pranks. Like Thanos, but more successful and much better in a moral sense.
Guess Viddar's boot wasn't big enough.
Another theory: Ragnarok actually has already happened. In real life. That's it.
:|
My childhood is dead.
“Run, it’s Godzilla”
“It looks like Godzilla but due to international copyright laws, it’s not”
“Still we should run like it is Godzilla”
“Though it isn’t”
Nah, it’s Just Zilla
I thought/hoped this was gonna be a " Run Godzilla King Kong is coming for u" OU NO, He cant hear us he has airpods on
justanotherchannelonyoutube I understood the reference and know where it's from.
*Soul Bossa Nova plays quietly in background*
Damn it I was gonna make that joke
Red: "Let's not get too specific, that's how you attract philosophers."
Me, a philosophy major: "You're too late. I've been here for a while now."
I feel strangely validated XD
Because it's quite the opposite: Specification is not what attracts philosophers, vague functionality is. The vagueness feeds them as they seek to play with and stretch the intentions and use of words and concepts until they touch everything else. /jk
@@Canido19 Nah, vagueness means you have to do the work yourself. Specificity means someone else is making claims, and claims are an argument, and arguments can be WRONG >:D
Philosophers have much more fun telling their peers why their argument is bad than they do making sure their own arguments are correct.
@@DarkExcalibur42 I am disappointed by how much bad trust that sounds like. However, I am yet MORE disappointed by how not-inaccurate that sounds.
@@Canido19 Yes, until you realize that pulling at the problems with someone else's argument also helps them to build up a better argument in response.
I think the "nuclear power/bombs being good now" narrative for the modern movies might also stem from the fact that nuclear power is currently our most viable alternative to coal/oil power. Since, as you stated, we currently use the modern kaiju as an allegory for global warming, the narrative might be switching to tell us that nuclear power is our salvation in this sense.
It would have been better for that allegory if they used nuclear waste or fuel or something to power up Godzilla instead
So you're saying the nuclear winter will solve global warming? Interesting ☢️
@Mr. Fish That's not what they're saying at all. Most people seem to have this negative idea of Nuclear power due to a handful of nuclear incidents but with proper matinance and a plan nuclear power plants can often be cleaner, and safer then the alternatives. I mean if people talked about Oil spills, and wildfires with a fraction of the pasion as they do a handful of nuclear incidents then most people would drive electric cars.
@@thekey0123 I know, I was just kidding. In the movies, it's portrayed with a bomb to revive GZ, and I thought it'd be funny.
Personally, I'm for investing in renewables and fusion before fission, explicitly concerning waste. I think fission is the perfect transitionary energy source between a mostly carbon-fueled society to a fusion one with nuclear waste as a downside. I know methods for dealing with nuclear waste are effective enough now, but like all materials, it'll get harder to manage when the scale grows significantly larger. And for PR reasons, it's the last material you'd want to have an accident with, because the general public cares more when "nuclear" and "radioactive" are involved, rather than just environmentalists.
Also, the common process of digging up a hole to drop it in and closing off the area uses a lot of space, which is becoming a lot more precious by the year. I'm saying that the space it may take up on a massive scale may be consequential, but I'm not an urban planner or a scientist, so I could easily be wrong.
@@Mr_Fish10 that's on me for not realizing the joke.
"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them."
- Ishiro Honda
So many times, I watch/read a Frankenstein's monster story, only to want to hug the monster, and share a sandwich with them. Allegory: The mistaken creations we make will haunt us and possibly destroy us, if we don't find some positive way for them to exist alongside us.
or maybe evil arseholes should just.. not make monsters.
if you create a monster then you are evil regardless of how "regular" you think you are.
Just gonna say it the way I said it back in "that" game... and countless RPG"s since...
"Alright, GM, you want me dead? I can be good with that...
...but YOU'RE gonna have to kill me. I'm goin' down sluggin'... every roll....
...every step...
...every syllable...
...every f***ed up inch..." ;o)
HE'S A REAL NOWHERE MAN
That's basically what Emmerich did in Godzilla (1994) and apparently the japaneses hated it to the point to unbaptese his Godzilla !
(Please leave Zilla Alone !!!)
(The movie is still nice AND has the "Kaiju weight" AND has french Jean Reno mimicking a US GI with bad french accent and gum ! Cette scène est hilarante !!!)
The question “Is Clifford a Kaiju” was not a question I expected to hear today, but boy was I happy to hear it
Apparently, that is something that people have asked
It’s like the “Do humans in Pokémon lay eggs” debate that I never knew existed
@@andrewkim9848 ?!?!?!
i remember this exact line of query from an episode of Game Grumps
boi if someone don't get MatPat on this shit imma be mad. I gotta know. Does he qualify? Can we have a Godzilla and Clifford crossover? Will the weird side of deviantart start drawing CliffordxMothra smut? So many questions
"Guillermo del Toro is a man who understands monsters. He understands the complex interplay between humanity and inhumanity and he knows that sometimes a person is a monster, sometimes a monster is a person and sometimes a monster is a monster."
And that's why I'm EXTREMELY frustrated that he couldn't do the adaptation of the manga "Monster" in a TV series.
Ahhhh I need that !
Also his Lovecraft adaptation
Also his (cancelled) Silent Hill movie with Junji Ito.
Man he has so many stuff which he couldn't or hasn't yet got funding for.
Oh man I had no idea this was a thing but he would have been perfect for a live action Monster.
@@anishsawan6496 THERE WAS GONNA BE A SILENT HILL MOVIE WITH JUNJI ITO AND GUILLERMO DEL TORO? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
I DIDNT KNOW???!!! WE COULD HAVE THIS WTF FIRST HE COULDNT DO LOTR NOW MONSTER??!!!! THEY KEEP ROBBING US GAHH
It'll never happen now that Wilford "Diabeetus" Brimley is dead.
I've always said (in reference to Dungeons and Dragons, specifically) "sometimes monsters are people and sometimes people are monsters". I do appreciate the addition of "and sometimes *monsters* are monsters.
But never people are people.
@@redkraken6516 Never JUST people. They're either plot points, motivations, macguffins, or sometimes, just an NPC there to die to illustrate "the horror of X"
@@erinfinn2273 Mostly the horror of mass murdering players
"It's easier to think about a giant monster than a disembodied fear."
H.P. Lovecraft's just over here like "They're the same picture".
Lovecraft: What do you mean? All my fears are embodied! they exist within me!!
CRAAAAAWLING IIIIN MY SKIIIIIIN
THESE WOUNDS, THEY WILL NOT HEAAAAL
@@An_Amazing_Login5036 FEAR IS HOW I FALL
CONFUSING WHAT IS REAL
OWOOO!
@@thestranger954 owo
👁 w👁
Can’t wait for Hollywood’s new Kaiju movie:
*Clifford the Big Red Destroyer*
Clifford AU where instead of love making him grow Rita Repulsa accidentally threw her staff in the wrong direction
Would he represent the potential loss of herd immunity at the hands of people with their heads too deep into their own ass? Because I'm on board with a massive red disease spreading dog.
@@12isaac00 clifford the bringer of pestilence
Don't forget about Clifford vs Destroyah
The dark reboot we deserve.
Fun fact. The pattern on godzillas skin looks like burn scars from the sailors caught by the castle bravo incident
Well, i dont doubt it
For a fun fact this fact has very little fun. Cause jesus thats a disturbing detail.
Also...you know, it was ACTUALLY a pattern caused by them trying to use a scale+skin template but not having the ability to burn it into a large rubber suit without it dripping and their paint job was done in layers, not detailing. So it's a fun little thing you made up but that's not actually why the suit looked the way it did. It was because they were doing subtractive modeling, not additive, and not detail-oriented. Cool story though, bro.
@@davidbanan. You should lol. The internet said it.
@@pr9039 hey fun fact shut the hell up and let people enjoy observations they made
Mothra is my favourite Kaiju. Her alegorical message is “nature is mysterious, beautiful, sacred, and if you try to destroy it or use it selfishly (for profit or otherwise) it will fuck you tf up. Mothra also shows how if given the chance, space, and time required, nature will renew itself, even if mama Mothra dies, there’s always a baby Mothra waiting in the wings to step u[ when her mother passes.
Also that nature’s spokespeople are tiny fey twins who sing… but I think that’s a metaphor for how nature needs people to speak up for it and remind folk how scary it can be when not well cared for.
Tl;dr Mothra is the prototypical environmentalist kaiju and I love her.
"The common biologist's answer of: mnemnmeneh you know it when you see it."
I hate how accurate that is.
Oh hey! My old account!
@@besquareorbethere8093 did u comment on ur own comment
@@meneng6933 No, this account has a capitalized Or, while that one does not.
@@besquareorbethere8093 I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like "in biology, every rule has its exceptions."
@@coyraig8332 Strange, I thought that quote was from linguistics and having to do with the English language.
"Let's not get _too_ specific, that's how you attract philosophers."
Once again, a line that seems destined for merch.
Scientists are specific, philosophers are abstract.
@@ilkkarautio2449 Put another way: scientists are abstractly specific, philosophers are specifically abstract. It's all in the differences in how they explain the peculiarities of their respective fields.
@@Nitrinoxus Thats true. 😂
@@Nitrinoxus Well put :)
I demand T-shirts and coffee mugs of this quote.
i always interpreted godzilla becoming a good guy despite still having nuclear powers was an optimistic portrayal of nuclear power, especially since a lot of the monsters he fights are clear allegories for pollution. nuclear power is actually very safe currently, but because of disasters like chernobyl people are still understandably nervous about the idea. its helpful to keep in mind that chernobyl was a recipe for disaster to begin with due to how it was built under a tight budget with little regards to safety and was staffed by people not properly trained for their job.
in the new godzilla vs king kong it was pretty clear to me the enemy of that movie was corrupt capitalism. very fun movie.
Godzilla becoming a good guy in the Showa films has nothing to do with allegorical changes. It's a matter of real world demographics and in-universe character development.
If you look at Kong as the power of nature and Godzilla as the power of nuclear power, it makes their fight more interesting
My husband worked labor jobs in a nuclear power plant before his current job and you would not believe how careful they are there. Safety is top priority, there’s many precautions taken and if anything goes wrong they’re working to fix it immediately or shutting things down to clear up the issue before damage can be done. The nuclear plants today are a lot safer than Chernobyl
People are actually fearful because of bad press and intentional smear campaigns from fossil fuel industries
16:11 "Focus on the only thing that really matters"
Yes Red, I agree. Giant mechs that punch monsters in the face are the only thing that really matters. We just gotta get NATO on this.
NATO using giant mechas may not solve their geopolitical and too many casualities problem, but sure it would look cool
Like to see Putins face when he sees giant Ukrainian mechs marching into Crimea
*insert joke about red using Pacific Rim to represent the comments metaphorically punching her*
It was at 9:09 that I remembered she uses those clips. I’d forgotten all about them.
Aren't we going to talk about attack on Titan?
@@BlackCover95 bruh that clip looks like a scene from godzilla kotm then pascific rim
@@17-MASY Why? There more like giant zombies than kaiju.
@@scottjs5207 well yes but actually no😅
FUN FACT: Gojira's stroll through Tokyo was intentionally the same as the path of destruction from the firebombing in WW2.
I'm not sure if that qualifies as a "fun" fact but that's actually very interesting that they put so much thought into it and how Japan didn't really view the nukes and firebombing too differently.
@@alienplatypus7712 is a sarcastic "fun," my friend!
Which firebombing? It isn't as if it only happened the once.
@@boobah5643 March 10th, 1945, if memory serves.
so the entire nation?
Oh man, the Terminator is a Kaiju!
The big one from Salvation maybe
@@kahlzun it's called a Harvester. Just FYI.
Nah, he's a Tokusatsu villain, if you want to be a weeb about it.
Not really, unless theres a giant one in any of the movies i don't know about
@@bakomusha Fun Fact Kaiju are consider Tokusatsu
We actually know the King Kong thing!
The director was fascinated by stop motion, and wanted to see a gorilla fight a dinosaur -
The stop motion animator told him that would have to be one bloody big gorilla, and there you go.
It's like that thing Frued said when someone pointed out his obvious penis fixation "Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar" - it's hardly ever true, but this one time it is.
Of course the 30s had a certain way of depicting both Africa and Gorillas. It's hard to argue the subtext, but it really was a movie about a gorilla fighting a dinosaur.
The thing is, movies aren't made by one guy. Even if the director (or whoever it was you're referring to I forget atm) had innocent intentions other people with power in the production have an influence. And even if everyone had pure intentions, cultural biases are gonna leak in no matter what.
Yeah, kind of hate how modern people try to push in sjw racism into everything.
@The Phantom Subconscious and maybe what was accepted at the time. Maybe they didn't sit down and say "let's make a movie about how we hate non whites" but back then most would be casually racist so their biases and opinions on other races would be part of the media they created. Like the person above you said, their biases would leak in no matter what.
I mean, the racism may not have been on PURPOSE, but... that doesn't mean it's nonexistent.
@The Phantom Maybe it was the writers. They thought gorilla fight and their mind just went there 🤔
"You could even say it's a mysterious color unlike any seen on earth"
SHE'S IN BOYS, SHE DID IT, SHE SAID IT *AIRHORN*
Woohoo!
What Magenta?
TL I’m afraid she has been affected by the old one
*looks at my copy of the necronomicon (anthology of Lovecrafts works not the sp00py shit)
I’ll get the sparklers.
Humans: (Drop bombs into the ocean all willy nilly)
Godzilla: When will you learn that your actions have consequences!?!!
Humanity:
Perhaps, never.
Godzilla and the Kaijus:
Here we go again.
I imagined that Godzilla said it in that kid's high pitched voice too lol
never given he punished the wrong people...
it were the US that tested the weapons but japan that suffered the fallout (pun intended)
why would the US learn anything from that?
To quote the Blue Oyster Cult song Godzilla
History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man
Godzilla: Are you humans kidding me?? I just cleaned up this mess!!! Now the planet is being trashed again!!!
Regarding the Japanese fellow detonating a nuke to revive Godzilla: I thought the metaphor was the re-armament of Japan and ending their post war pacifism in the face of immense external threats.
Honestly, that's something I think the Shin Tokusatsu films pull off better, with the argument that the JSDF is better served as a supplement and not the go-to.
SPOILERS for Shin Godzilla and Shin Ultraman
Solo:
- They do nothing to stop Godzilla at his hypothetical weakest for fear of collateral
- Fail miserably to stop his fourth form, forcing the US to step in and inadvertently make the situation WORSE.
As part of a team:
- Supply the equipment for the plan that ultimately does work, which involves:
- Firing their armaments at carefully calculated locations to pin Godzilla.
- Proceed to become more effective at stopping kaiju as depicted at the start of Shin Ultraman.
I thought it was supposed to be about the acceptance of nuclear energy.
Modern Japanese attitudes towards militarism were so hard for me to _grok_ initially. It took me, I think, three watch-throughs of _GITS: SAC 2nd Gig_ to get that the good guys wanted Japan to tear up Article 9 in order to kick their subservience to (one of) the Americans.
King Kong: Destruction of the natural world
Godzilla: Horror of nuclear weapons
Gamera: Rocket powered ninja turtle punching tentacle monsters
0:30 It's no coincidence that Godzilla, who represents man's own hubris, is a featherless biped.
I'm gonna assume that was a Diogenes joke and move on with my life
@@elipsiclearts2284 Sam summarized a historical event, hence this is a reference to the event, not the CZcams video
@@elipsiclearts2284 The original shitposter, Diogenes, said "Behold! A man!" after plucking a chicken when Plato foolishly said that a man was a featherless biped.
Oh FUCK YO-
*happy diogenes noises*
"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man."
- Godzilla, by Blue Oyster Cult
Although in real life it's less nature and mostly chain reactions.
I mean, would one consider nuclear power nature?
dammit! Beat me to it!
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 Yes
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 ... might as well be walking on the sun...
Also Blue Oyster: *PLAYS "EL BIMBO" AT RIDICULOUSLY LOUD VOLUMES ON LOOP*
You can tell who came from Twitter based on whether they're talking about the King Kong allegory or not.
granted , have did make a video about pride month myths
Youre right, why would people mention important subtexts and cultural contexts
@@AedanTheGrey I don't think you have the context behind my original comment
…you do realize King Kong was more sympathetic than a real antagonist right and the reason he took the girl cause she’s was quite literally the only one nice to him
She doesn't understand that and her mind clearly instantly associates gorillas with black people which is... yeah... 😬
Judging from the rest of the comments this is a lost cause my friend.
@@KingREDEADED What, trying to use logic to defeat a stupid argument?
@@The_Gallowglass Yes. You can't argue with stupid. It's just a waste of time. The best solution is always to just point and laugh.
@@everchangingworld11 Those are two of my favorite things--pointing and laughing. :D
Ok, so I'm sure you probably won't read this, but Godzilla means a lot to me because it's literally part of who I am. My grandfather was an general staff officer during WWII that was one of the first Americans to travel to Hiroshima after the bombs drop, where he served as support for American doctors and researchers who collected data on what the bomb did. Because of this, and the radiation he was exposed to there and potentially serving a support near test sites like Bikini Atoll, his progeny like myself suffer from a number of radiation induced genetic defects. I have muscular problems and some minor asymmetry but got lucky, most of my cousins have severe disabilities. He passed away from a brain tumor later in life likely caused by said radiation exposure.
He spent the majority of his time in the military in the occupation of Japan, even after the official occupation was over, and he was still in Japan when Godzilla debuted and there's a picture of him in a local newspaper with a beautiful Japanese girl on his arm where a reporter was asking him what he thought of the movie given its nature. I think he said he was just there to enjoy the movie, but growing up it clearly deeply affected him because for the short time we had together before he passed away we watched every single Godzilla movie up until that point, and he spent a lot of time with me at a crazy young age expressing the horrors he saw on the ground at Hiroshima.
Among other topics, he explained that the reason why Godzilla became a good guy was because Japan's view of nuclear power changed drastically through the 60's and 70's. The reason was that nuclear reactors began creating clean energy and gave Japan an level of economic independence from the global resource market that one some levels Japan's expansionist policy in Asia was about in the first place, which is very important because some in Japan saw their position between the US and the Soviet Union as a scary place to be both politically and physically and being caught in the middle of invading monsters represents being caught between major superpowers, with Godzilla representing Japan in the middle. Because of this, Godzilla and nuclear power was seen as an ultimate source of good forged from the wake of destruction, something that could ultimately make Japan a better, cleaner, more powerful independant nation. In fact, Godzilla was even openly used as a mascot for some of these new nuclear reactors. In the newest movies like Shin Godzilla, he goes back to being a force to be feared in reaction to the Fukushima reactor disaster. Much of the movie is about the mishandling of the disaster.
So in that way Godzilla's theme, in Japanese productions, hasn't changed from the focus of being about Japan's relationship with nuclear energy. The movies are a reflection on the anxieties, fears, and hopes nuclear power brings with it across nearly a century of Japanese history now.
Thank you for writing this post, it was an incredibly enlightening read. Shows me the importance of different perspectives. Until now, I was always inclined to believe that the later Godzilla movies (as enjoyable as I found) were simply just cash grab films to make money of the name brand.
Thank you for sharing your story. I never thought of the Godzilla sequels like that. Just goes to show how a character's meaning can change over time.
What a wonderful perspective analysis of the movies! Thank you for sharing.
Great post, definitely a unique perspective you have there. Yeah nuclear power is a big, scary, and potentially insanely destructive threat; but people seem to forget that if used PROPERLY and CAREFULLY it can be a great source for good. And no, 1950s US military, "properly and carefully" does NOT mean using nukes to dig harbors, making nuclear-powered amphibious tanks, or turning a nuclear test into the world's most powerful potato gun and making a MANHOLE COVER the fastest man-made object in existence (yes that is a real thing they did).
RTGs, power plants, and nuclear thermal rockets? Good.
BIG bada-boom? Significantly less good in 99.9999% of circumstances.
Fantastic reading on the matter. I've been watching through the whole Godzilla film franchise recently (currently at the Millenium series) and now all of its Showa films have a totally different reading on me. Probably Return of Godzilla (Godzilla 1984) is the one that reflects the best that uncomfortable position Japan found itself into between the USA and the URSS, but now I can see the same reading on the others, and it adds a lot of cool extra layers to them.
I admire your grandfather's wisdom to appreciate the character as a product for entertainment and yet as a powerful metaphore of the horrors he had to witnessed. It's an excellent proof of why we shouldn't take entertainment media for granted. Human beings need stories and myths, even nowadays, because of how much they keep telling us about ourselves. I wouldn't be exaggerating by considering Godzilla a modern legit myth.
"Lets not get too specific, thats how you attract philosopher."
Philosophers are a species now, red said so.
"Here we see a wild philosopher in their natural habitat. Watch as it does something that is unique to their species."
(Philosopher does some philosophizing.)
"Marvelous."
These days their a rare species at that!
Why do I get the feeling that's throwing shade at Abby Thorn?
@@gamingforever9121 I wouldn't say they were rare. Good ones are though.
damn it
The “King Kong is an allegory for racism” thing is a very interesting take. However after hearing about the creator of King Kong’s original vision for the film, I’m pretty sure the guy just really liked gorillas😂 at first he wanted to get an actual gorilla to fight a Komodo Dragon. But then he thought “what about a GIANT Gorilla vs a Dinosaur!” And thus King Kong was born. Although I can absolutely understand that interpretation.
If you read Stamped from the beginning the racism allegory becomes clearer. It’s hard to stomach but you do see the reality of it.
Part of me kind of wishes they had managed to make the actual gorilla vs Komodo dragon fight happen.
@@Saurophaganax1931 its not too late. You can rent a zoo and see what happens
This reminds me of the gorilla limit that had to be introduced in the comics industry because everyone liked gorillas so much
@@LinearAztec what
Nuclear Weapons: Bad
Nuclear Energy: Good.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Where does a nuclear pulse engine like Orion fall on your scale there?
@@tetsatou2815 Probably counts as Nuclear Energy as the Orion drive isn’t made to be a weapon.
Thorium: the best nuclear fuel
"We're going to join Daddy"
HORRIFIED FACES OF THE AUDIENCE
I had the same reaction
but i don't smoke...
I specifically remember this scene from when I watched the original Japanese version of the film after years of seeing the Raymond Burr version. Really heavy stuff.
(It should be noted that the American version of this film actually kept most of the Japanese plot and the central American character was simply present and didn't save the day. The anti-nuke message did get watered down, though.)
That definitely shocked me really badly, I wasn't expecting that at all (though i should have in hindsight). Now I really need to get my hands on a way to watch it....
@@chrisashford3379 Also known as censorship.
*sees Red's version of Godzillia*
....I wanna pet the giant snek
Osp makes everything adorable
Boop the snoot
@joke card Danger noodle: *happy skreeonk*
It is the single best part of this video.
@@hitsunakousaka9497 Back away from the radioactive lizard
Monty Python: Run Away! Runaway!
Austin Powers: It looks like Godzilla, but due to international copyright law...it's not. Still we should run like it is Godzilla
I always thought King Kong was an allegory for environmental and cultural exploitation. Capturing animals and putting them in zoos for example. The 30's was a time shortly after the big exploration days. When famous hunters were slaughtering big game in Africa and after the treasure seekers were done looting ancient tombs.
A story can have multiple interpretations. King Kong can be a discussion on exploitation, an allegory on racism that equates 'white' people as (savage) hunters and 'black' people as gorillas or even just a big monkey smashing things up. And honestly that is what makes it a relevant story to this day.
@@the_tactician9858 Yes, but Red isn't arguing that the movie is a metaphor n slavery, but has racist subtext on how black people = gorillas apparently, which is an... interesting take which makes me wonder if it's impossible to make a movie about a gorilla without Red thinking it's people being racist and thinking it's referring to black people.
@@GMP1isReal Yeah it's kind of hilarious that a bunch of people are seeing a giant ape in a movie, thinking "oh that's obviously an allegory for black people" and then calling the filmmaker who just wanted to see a gorilla fight a dragon racist.
@@GMP1isReal If anything Red like a typical leftist will always see a monkey and think black people.
The racisms is pretty on the nose, it Kong doesnt need to be the allegory because the movie clearly shows it. its in the 1930's and back then racism was pretty much accepted as the norm. There was no need to hide subtext when it was opening out in the open for all to see.
Its more of a allegory of environmental exploitation as Zoos and circuses were all the rage back in the 30's. Movies were yet to hit main stream, so people chose to go see wild animals or hit a circus up over them.
In short Red is like any leftist Don Quixote on the constant hunt for the giant that no longer exists. Although you can argue that the real monsters are those who constantly try to think monkey = black man..
@@GMP1isReal aren't we all apes anyway? So does it have to be just an allegory for black people? What, did other ethnic groups stop being primates all of a sudden?
Here is a paraphrased quote from one of my classmates when discussing Godzilla vs Kong: “I wanna see big lizard punch big monkey” and I think that sums up what people who take movies at surface level like about kaiju
Hehe big nuclear dino go brrr
"But one man--one man, dared to stand against the tide of empty, meaningless spectacle. To raise a fist skyward in solitary defiance and say:
"'If humanity were faced with an onslaught of malevolent, unstoppable giant monsters, humanity would make giant robots to punch those giant monsters IN THE FACE.'" -Red
Gurimo Del Toro is AMAZING!
Yes!
"Indomitable, that's the word! Indomitable!"
-Tenth Doctor
Serious Rick May vibes.
"The first and currently last use of nuclear weapons in war."
*_currently_*
Don't jinx it, Red.
It's only a matter of time. The only hard part of nuclear weapons (once you know they exist, anyway) is getting your hands on and refining the material... and that was done as a sideshow with eighty year old technology.
@@boobah5643 My high school physics professor said pretty much the same thing. Making the bomb was easy, so long as you had the fissile material (I mean, one of the bombs dropped on Japan triggered the explosion by firing a bullet of fissile material into another piece of it, IIRC). I am curious, though, what you are referring to when you mention a "sideshow"
@@wolv0223 Weapons grade fissile material is created by the operation of nuclear reactors. The hard part of the manhattan project was getting a working reactor.
I would argue Korea's test as political use,and thus, kinda, war.
think the understanding of how devestating and dangerous nuclear weapons are is kinda imbedded into the souls of humanity. no one wants to be the man who launchesi t cause they will die soon after.
true people keep on making new and more dangerous ones but not a single warhead has been used in active warfare and honestly, i wouldn't e entirely surprised if non of the nculear weapons are operational or there is only a couple of actually functioning ones. because the importance of the nuke is to intimidate people into not using nukes on you.
Shin Godzilla was a very interesting critique of the response of the Japanese Government to recent emergencies, having some pretty disturbing tsunami imagery at one point.
It's also got the most disturbing version of Godzilla imo
Tbh I think the whole "Serizawa blows up a nuke to save Godzilla" ordeal is a sign of something I and many of us can probably agree is very great: It's the change of the entire societal relation to nukes, they are no longer a constant threat, Midnight never happened and we've lived to see the sunrise despite all odds, we have effectively tamed the nuclear beast if you will. Nuclear war is still terrifying to us, of course, if we ever got anywhere close to midnight we'd be shitting so many bricks we'd have enough materials to build Rome in a day, but we've gotten past the threat of nukes and with that, so too has Godzilla needed to change for it. Now, just like nukes, Godzilla is still terrifying, but he isn't an active threat without us making some massive mistakes at which point if we were that stupid we'd probably deserve it, we've effectively come to terms with the power of nuclear weapons and so their use has changed to last resort weapons or, in the case of King of the Monsters, the detonation of the nuke to save Godzilla is effectively a direct sign of how we no longer need to fear the idea of nuclear war and how much we've grown.
Godzilla: a giant radioactive god-lizard, utterly unreasonable and unstoppable
Godzilla (as drawn by Red): Chonky Boi
Oh LAWD he comin!
Everything drawn by Red is 10x cuter
we stan Red and her chonky Godzilla
shronk
She can litterily draw anything cute
*is it possible to learn this power?*
"You could say its a mysterious color, unlike any seen on Earth."
I see she's has a some flashbacks of H.P Lovecraft's "The Colour out of Space". It probably scarred for having to say those words so many times.
*u n l i k e a n y s e e n o n e a r t h*
according to the movie coming out that color is just purple. Also it seems like more of a pet cemetery grotesque jump scare than slow burning existential dread.
Lovecraft doesn't transfer well to visual medium, especially when micro managing movie studios insist on cramming in their usual genre stereotype tropes.
kyriss12 tbf if I’ve never seen purple Amd I see some disgusting stuff that’s purple I’d freak too
@@ilhandaanish2381 fun tip, indigo brightened up causes eye strain and headaches, found that out in the fallout 4 interface customization
I laughed out loud when she said those words. :D
Coming back to this video after Godzila Minis One makes me glad that godzilla has been restored to his rightful place as a metaphor
I think that Godzilla's change of role over the years is also a representation of the evolution of the Japanese people's rapport with nuclear in general, not only the bombing. Before, the only use of nuclear energy was only use was bombs but now it not only provides energy to everyone but it is also the best transitional energy for ecology's sake. Sure, accidents can happens but if humanity is responsible enough those shouldn't happen.
and when an accident does happen, they make a movie like Shin Godzilla which is a direct response to the Fukushima disaster
@@nikomiller this response needs more likes - it’s an amazing response
Godzilla’s role had already changed by 1955. I think its more a representation of the fact that you literally cannot make a giant, super profitable, movie monster and not serialize the hell out of it for the sake of pure entertainment and profit.
"Sometimes nuclear physics is more art than science." Never before has a joke put such chills down my spine.
Kim John un
As a physicist, let me tell you: it's horrifyingly true. We still don't have equations to calculate the critical mass of a fission material, all data we have comes from experiments and statistics.
Sol Zen
“Youre thinking of baking”
“I might be thinking of baking”
@@Mysteri0usChannel Well...damn...
@@Mysteri0usChannel well... dam ×2
"The first kaiju, Godzilla"
Typhon, son of Gaia and Tartarus, father of many a monsters: "Am I a joke to you, mortal?"
Kaiju are for kanji/katakana word, a *japanese* thing. So godzilla is the first to *use* that word, because other nations's monster doesn't use those word.
@@ssbc1873 So what you are saying is that Typhon is a retroactively the first kaiju.
@@elias.t up to your interpretation.
True, true
Kind of sad it only took people now that they could take many interpretations of myths in order to make a kaiju movie.
Technically Godzilla and the monsters of Toho and Daiei studios are "daikaiju" which roughly translates to "giant monster" while kaiju can be a rough translation for anything from a lycanthrope/werewolf to mushroom-people. A "kaiju" is anything that is strange or weird, but Godzilla or King Kong would best be described as daikaiju or "giant monsters"
*cough * cough Japanese mythology
i feel this phrase made by moi could be said: Not allkaiku are Daikaiju but all Daikaiju are kaiju.
Reminds me of how in Japan, "anime" just refers to anything animated, and AFAIK is also a loanword from French. So technically, King of the Hill is indeed anime.
I always loved how the 2005 King Kong touches more on how tragic such a creature would be,
being a highly intelligent ape, the last of its kind, the usually gentle giant turned violent as he is hunted by predators on a sinking world at his old age.
Finally bonding with a similar intelligence for the first time in years, feeling as though he could protect Anne Darrow from the monsters where he couldn't for his family, before being taken from his home and paraded as a spectacle by arrogant mankind. And then dying tragically as he searched for and was able to spend his last moments with his first ever friend.
I feel like the misunderstood nature of gorillas and most other animals is what I'm thankful got taken from the original and translated well enough into 2005 Kong.
Its a shame the Monsterverse Kong is comparatively very shallow in characterization.
"Let's not get too specific, that's how you attract philosophers."
Ah god damn it, there's a philosopher in my basement! shoo! Get out!
(EDIT): Ok so i didn't expect this to get so popular but holy shit the replies to this comment are hilarious, thank you all for existing xD
Who do I call to get the philosophers out of my house?
Call the Thinkbusters
NO! its cosy and filled with questions in here!
God dammit **pulls out anti-philosopher spray can*
But I want to attract philosophers!
"Skreeeonk" is the greatest onomatopoeia I've ever seen for Godzilla.
Actually that onomatopoeia doesn't sound like Godzilla's roar and Godzilla's official Japanese onomatopoeia is Gyaoon
@@Xenotaris UM ACTUALLY
@@kylefrank638 Skreeeeeonk doesn't even sound like a Godzilla roar
I've actually seen skreeonk used really commonly for his roar, it's not good but it's American standard
Why is everyone coming here to let me know I'm actually totally wrong about it being a great Godzilla sound effect? ...
Why are you booing me, I'M RIGHT
"Kaiju movies can never agree if nukes are good or bad"
Thats because a weapon can be used both as a safeguard and a tool of aggression. Also, nukes are the most powerful and devastating tool in humanity's arsenal. The moment we figure out anti matter bombs or implosion spheres or portable black holes or whatever, that thing will topple the nuke from its throne. But until then, when faced with insurmountable odds, the nuke will forever be the grand equalizer and the ace in the hole for any plot.
Theyre still bad tho
I always thought Kong worked as man's relationship to nature. By bringing a savage curiosity to civilization you risk both your civilization and the curiosity itself. "Twas beauty that killed the beast" more our protection of what we hold beautiful.
It's, it's actually very simple. The guy who made King Kong just wanted to see a gorilla fight a komodo dragon....
Like, he literally wanted to get a real, living ape and throw it into a pen with a komodo dragon and record what happened for the movie. But, not surprisedly, or surprising based on the care of animals in movies can then, it was decided not to throw two animals in a cage fight together.
He then learned that if he hired Willis O'Brian he could have a GIANT gorilla fight a T-Rex and, well, he couldn't pass up a chance like that.
Basically King Kong is nothing more than a guy who really, really likes gorillas getting a chance to make a movie about one.
Ignore him. People have been trying to gaslight everyone into thinking there was no racist allegory because of this all over the comment section. As if one man’s original movie idea erases all the obvious coding in the actual final film and we’re all just being wee sensitive lil worriers worked up over nothing.
Oh cut it out, I saw you in another person’s comment and you’re not letting people at least share their findings.
I never thought of King Kong as a racial metaphor. I am sure I will be told that is white privilege, I first so the movie as a kid so I first saw him as an exciting character/special effect and than as a metaphor for environmental exploitation. Sorry for going all space 🐉 Red, but no.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 Bro, stop. It's not a racist allegory, and anyone who still pushes this kind of nonsense literally just isn't doing their research and is spreading misinformation.
Unlike 2023, not everything back in 1933 was about fucking race.
This would actually be a fantastic point to catapult into a another Trope talk: The Alien Savior. The mysterious being like Ultraman, Dr. WHO, Superman who do what humans could not and how we should learn from them, or how we end up corrupting them.
By that logic then in the context of chrstianity since Jesus is the son of god would Jesus himself qualify as a literal alien savior
@@brandonporter8509 I mean ignoring their cultural impact, angels and demons are inherently alien. Incredibly fear-inducing aliens.
@@airhead1320 and in the case of the latest Doom games, they actually, freaking are
@@brandonporter8509 Indeed, it would be nice if she brought up all fictional characters, even Jesus, Buda, and other mythological beings.
Half alien savior.
The Spock Savior.
The part human savior.
The humans can fuck anything byproduct.
"but the good people have the power of godzilla and anime on their side"
best line ever
But not the Godzilla anime. Some lines should not be crossed.
@@AJadedLizard The WHAT
@@arandomkobold8403 The first Godzilla anime. It's on Netflix.
Not to be confused with the second Godzilla anime...which will be on Netflix.
@@AJadedLizard THERE WHERE TWO!?!?
@@arandomkobold8403 Well, technically there are four, since the first "one" is actually a series of three movies...none of which are very good.
"First and (currently) last use of nuclear warfare"
This sentence fills me with a level of fear and anxiety.
Even scarier, one could say there has actually been belligerent nuking depending on how you look at it. While I’m not aware of atomic “bombs” exploding in “cities”, it has been used near contested areas by both Western and communist forces as warnings to deter escalation of conventional warfare. The difference is escalation (Bosnia-Serbian intervention by the “U.N.” cough USA) vs Strategic Bombing (Hiroshima).
Also Japan unleashed dirty fissile/radioactive devices in Korea during WW2, it just wasn’t a bomb. (I personally question if Japan’s “testing” was so advanced, given that they surrendered a couple weeks layer.)
Regardless the world is more frightening and complicated, than can be neatly summed up in a textbook or video. It’s like asking how many “genocides” their have been; it varies by technicalities and political agenda.
Hang on a second, isn't King Kong's death in his very first movie framed as a tragedy?! As in, none of the events should have happened and they were wrong for removing King Kong from his natural habitat?! I think that's a very important detail to miss when discussing him as an allegory!
"Take only pictures, leave only footprints. Visit scenic Skull Island today." Gold...pure gold.
Literally had me dying 👌😂
🤣😂I bursted out laughing and got weird looks from people. Now that is good writing
Red, actually...
"Oh look, honey, Skull Island! Wouldn't that be wonderful to visit?"
*everything's on fire*
*SKREEEEEEEEEEEE*
Japan in the 50’s: Godzilla is a horrifying monster and an example of how we could utterly destroy ourselves and our planet
Japan in the 70’s: haha big lizard go skreeooonk
Japan doesn’t want to remind itself of the past neither does the US. In fact that’s the problem with many countries they don’t want to talk about the past and when they do they skip parts and try to justify others.
Aggressive drop kicking
I mean...in the 40s Japan WAS ACTUALLY trying to destroy the planet, just not themselves, but they were perfectly willing to destroy themselves ("One Hundred Million Souls for the Japanese Empire") because they viewed themselves as many body with one heart. And that one heart was pumping blood to decapitate, rape, biologically torture, and massacre its way through the Asiatic Isles and mainland China. No WONDER China is so fucked up after the shit they dealt with. Their own Maoist regime killing millions of them, the Japanese rape-murdering them into almost oblivion, the Germans thought-policing and just taking what they wanted....the Chinese people never mentally recovered from that shit.
Anyway sorry
Perfect example of a metaphore becoming a character
I love Pacific rim because I always thought that it was about humans learning to solve problems by creating solutions that are appropriate rather than following convention. Jaegers would be absurd if used for anything but kaiju hunting but they work.
I mostly like it because of the sword button
Loved “King of the Monsters”! And in the vein of how “Kaiju represent nebulous threats”, I kinda liked how Ghidorah was not treated just as an invasive species, but pure cosmic horror.
His healing factor, storm powers, even his roar are just so otherworldly.
And it makes Godzilla even cooler; the only one who’s even remotely his equal has to come from ANOTHER PLANET!!!
A great being once said " *SKREEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOONK* ."
I live by those words everyday.
He has such a way with words.
Thats all he needs to say 😆
Truly a beautiful sentiment. My day is a but brighter after that bit of wisdom.
I can’t remember who said this, but this video reminded me of it.
“Draw a monster, why is it a monster?”
because it yelled racist shit at me from the other side of the street
Fork Knife 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The monster is terf
I heard somewhere, that the term 'monster' originally denoted any amazing, surprising spectacle. I dunno, might've been in Bullfinch's Mythology.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 in Brazil is common to use "monster" as very talented person or just awesome, is also used for very strong guys and for horrible people, monster is a powerful thing after all good or bad
A side note on the Castle Bravo test - it was *much* more powerful than its designers/testers expected. Because lithium is weird.
This is how
1. a fishing boat was in the danger zone (the prohibited zone was based on expected yield, not actual)
2. people started to see nukes as not just dangerous but *uncontrollable* (especially in Japan)
Pacific Rim was so good. All the giant robots move as if they carry weight. They move slow, when they move they shake the ground/ocean around them and they didn't any complicated gymnastics with it. Pacific Rim 2 was basically Michael Bay's Transformers under a different title
"No sequel follows this format"
Shin Godzilla: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yeah, definitely more of a horror format, thought a bit more generous to American relations.
Shin is a remake. And my favorite Godzilla film.
I'd Argue Godzilla, Mothra & King Ghidora follows the format to an extent, with Godzilla serving as a ghost of Japan's war crimes. An ugly truth that can't be ignored and is just barley stopped by a combination of the guardian monsters (allegorical of Japan's Shinto belief & philosophy in nature) and the people of Japan working together to accept and confront their mistakes.
YES.
Also Return Of Godzilla
Me "Pacific rim, Pacific rim, Pacific rim, Pacific rim"
Red "Pacific rim"
Me "YES!"
I would of prefererved Eva lol.
I joined you into that chant my friend! Pacific Rim is a joy to watch, because as Red said it doesn't fall "flat" like other modern adaptations of kaijus, but also we get to see giant robots VS. giant monsters!
@@smolbluegoblin Much as I like giant robot vs giant monster, I have tried to watch Pacific Rim several times....and I either fall asleep or get bored every single time. I've absorbed the most of the plot via cultural osmosis though, so....yeah.
Jägers, giant f*ck you dragons, and character development. Fuck yeah
@@tln_577 i dont think she ever watched eva
I think it’s hilarious that Del Toro said “we can beat this metaphor for climate change if we punch it in the face and then nuke it” and it works
Ah, nothing like revisiting an old favorite OSP video to remind you how kickass ARTEMIS FOWL might have been if Del Torro was in the directing chair.
...instead of ...whatever ended up happening.
Red: "Only good people have godzilla and anime in their side"
Captain America: I UNDERSTOOD THAT....... I understand stood that reference
Isaiah Tomoana
Or both. The Godzilla franchise has 3 anime adaptations under its belt; but Godzilla has appear in anime 5 times.
@@whathell6t
and one American cartoon for godzilla that was too good for the movie
Johny Marcial we never speak of those "adaptations"
Sonic Xtreme99
Dude! I said “3 anime adaptations”; NOT Geno Urobuchi/Shizuno Kobune’s Godzilla Anime Trilogy which is counts as one anime adaptation.
Call a bondulance
"You don't get forces like that on terrestrial planets, you don't get them outside of stars."
I got chills 🥶
And its true. When scientists and engineers were trying to explain to their governements the power of the atom, thats the closest representation a human mind can compare it to. Its rather inaccurate as it vastly overinflate the danger of it if properly controlled and given the reverence it deserves, but close enough.
Really the problem is that these same governements really just saw the appeal of a bottled sun as a weapon, and as such the entire civil infrastructure was built around the weapon, not the reactor. And that had some major consequences.
Almost every single reactor built was made in the express intent that both the enrichement and even function of the reactor could be used to make weapons out of it. Little respect for the powers unleashed was given. This is how stuff like the RBMK reactor ended up being fielded into an operational unit directly (instead of being tested in a prototype unit) and fuel melting incidents from the widely fluctuating reaction of this specific reactor type was shoved under the rug, even outside the knowledge of those operating the reactors!
Even in the USSR where safety was more of a suggestion, scientists always knew that a force like fission needed to be respected. This is why at the time, no one really though that a reactor could melt down so bad it would go outside its protective measures in such a catastrophic way. Because in order to do so, MULTIPLE crippling judgment errors have to be made in a very specific order and timing. Even in the case of fukushima, it was the same kind of negligence that doomed the plant despite engineers correctly identifying everything wrong with then plant design. No one could think that either the engineers or the plant managers could end up doing things so radically dumb as to ignore every single safety protocol to run an optional test, for the sake of pleasing a political entity, yet it happened...
And yet it is still the safest energy BY FAR. Because either due to knowledge or popular fear, nuclear is pretty much the only energy source that is respected as being potentially catastrophic, while hydroplants, coal plants, gas plants and even solar plants regularely cause major incidents and issues, sometimes with hudreds of lives lost (and MILLIONS over the span of decades in the case of China's dirty coal plants). The fact that we have things like Godzilla to anchor the understanding of the atom as a force of destruction elevates our understanding of the risks above the rest of energy sources. The error and malice being to fear it to the point of irrationality.
I _do_ believe Red missed the subtext in King of the Monsters.
The reason King of the Monsters has the nukes viewed in a more positive light is actually quite simple, when put into context.
The allegory is more "While we have used nuclear science in very evil ways, we can use Nuclear _power_ to help save our world now."
Sometimes a giant ape is just a giant ape. I've always viewed King Kong as a caution not to mess with nature. King Kong is a force of nature. The story is about the hubris of the people who chose to bring him back to civilization to be a spectacle.
nonono, it has to be racist! It can't be just a giant ape!!!
my thoughts exactly
It's actually about a giant gorilla fighting a T-Rex.
I'm not even joking
The guy just really, really liked gorillas.
@@JSage90 No doubt.
I was talking about the original King Kong though.
@@Fangs1978 And sometimes stuff from the 1930s is racist. Who would have guessed.
Honestly, I'm a huge fan of the thought that Clifford is, in fact, a Kaiju.
But what is he an allegory of?
@@arandomstartreknerd7261 what it would be like if dogs were scaled to how good boys/girls they are.
"It's... Clifford."
*dramatic bass drop*
@@embasorangiratina36 My dog would be massive, and yet there would be dogs even bigger than her...
Also the majority of chihuahuas would be like 3 inches tall.
@@merrittanimation7721 you win
Old japanese Godzilla: "A-Bombs are horrifying and we are all doomed."
Not so old japanese Godzilla: "Maybe if we had some bombs off our own......."
American Godzilla: "How to stop worrying and love the bomb."
Pacific Rim: "Lets punch Climate Change in the frikkin face."
Pacific Rim (cont): "by working together."
kommo1 American Godzilla (2019): Now let’s try and turn the bomb (radiation) into something better for the world.
Old King Kong: Be careful, Black man in our neighborhood might hurt us and take our women (and they might even like it!)
New King Kong: Black man is beautiful in Black man country, observe him as a part of nature.
Old Macross: sometimes the smallest things we have can have the most impact, and war is bad.
New Macross: stop projecting the problem you caused on others and live life to the fullest, and war is bad still.
@@FallingPicturesProductions Old Gundam: War is bad and we should do what we can to bring world peace. Also buy our toys.
New Gundam: Can't do anything about war now watch these cool fights........ and buy our toys.
I felt like king kong was too tragic to be outright racist. Didnt they lay the fact that he was basically kidnapped and there against his will? I admitedly was quite young when someone showed me the original. But i thought if anything it was saying that we messed up by enslaving people and deserve to have that lead to destruction.
I think sometimes about what made Godzilla stand out in 1954 because he wasn't the first giant monster or even the first aquatic dinosaur-esque monster awakened by man's tampering with nature.
But if you look at how all the American monster movies did it back then they all tended to end the same way: "Oh good! Our science killed the monster."
But then Godzilla comes along and ends with "Oh God. Our science killed the monster." And that made it hit different.
Japan: Godzilla was created as a result of nuclear warfare, symbolizing the dangerous potential of-
Americans: Ima pretend I didn’t see that
Edit: “corrected” this because apparently correcting a joke was important to certain people
it starts from the beginning of the series actually, when it came to america, they added a white guy, played around with the shots, made it more "acceptable" for the american public... i watched bits and pieces of the first one for the US and metaphorically chucked it out the window for the japanese version
Ah, classic US
@@yvonnethompson844
US adaptation: You know what this allegoric monster movie needs? A love triangle!
Also, I'm torn between respecting the fact that they didn't pretend the setting was somewhere in America (see most early dubbed anime, or even recent video games) and face palming that they thought we needed an American audience avatar to enjoy the film. He was mostly just a witness.
Video shows exactly why it’s not symbolizing the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and nagasaki and rather the nuclear fallout of nuclear testing in the regio-
Comment section: imma pretend I didn’t see that
Godzilla's development from WMD allegory to environmental protector wasn't an American move. That's just his character arc throughout the Showa movies. The Legendary Godzilla is basically just late Showa Era Godzilla plucked out of his time frame and set into the modern world.
I like to think that the "good monster" thing in King of the Monsters is that dangerous things like nuclear energy can be harmful, but they can also be forces of good, providing clean energy to many people (and I guess the nuke scene is a bit of an apology? Idk)
Think about it: Godzilla is nuclear, Rodan is thermal, and Mothra is solar, all of them can harm you, but also help you when understood and treated with respect.
I like this idea but Mothra would be hydrodynamic, being blue and born under a waterfall and all.
King Ghidora represents evil space dragons trying to destroy the world
@@sarafontanini7051 Yes
I know Ghidorah's attacks are supposed to be gravity beams (whatever the hell that means) but to me and every other casual moviegoer they just look like lightning bolts. Not to mention the scene where he chomps down on an electrical transformer thingy to spam lightning out his ass.
So until the day we get a decent hold of gravity, I say Ghidorah could represent raw untamed electrical energy.
@@infinitypilot So is this movie anti electric cars? "ElEctrIC CaRs aRe tHe FutUre her dur, dur."
A few years ago I was telling my children a story about the first dog I remembered. A big mut named Queenie. My mom hears this and busts out laughing. She says Queenie was tiny. Na, huge. She gets the family photo album. Shows us a page pointing at a chihuahua. Thats Queenie.
Maybe Clifford is the memory of the awesome giant childhood pet.
Apparently the wife of the guy who wrote Clifford had a giant dog as an imaginary friend when she was a child. Maybe there's just something about the idea of having a giant pet that all kids like.
"Humanity will make itself big and strong enough to punch it into submission" sounds like one of those things you'd find in a "humans are space orcs" story.
@Juni Post and also that we are really good at killing or finding ways of killing things
it's so true we even do it to each other for no good reason.
That’s the glory of humanity.
@Juni Post Each time earth has tried to kill off man and a few times man him self has tried we have strode out the ashes with a cocky swagger and a smile on our face stronger and smarter and better with ONLY ONE QUESTION."What else ya got?"
Earth: " Alt-right conservatives,Religious fundimentalists, spirit science and flat earthers".
Humans: "Shit!!"
@@Armendicus they arent even a threat, just a hindrance, at most a minor setback, most of humanity still believes in science and progress and as long as this keeps going (very probable considering that our entire culture and economic system is build to make progress the cornerstone of civilization) we will keep rising
Each of the Monsters of King of The Monsters basically represented some sort of connection to electricity and humanity's need for it and how that leads to pollution.
Rodan? Geothermal energy when he's the good guy, coal and oil when he sides with Ghidorah.
Mothra? Wind as a power source as well as solar power.
Godzilla? Hydrodynamic dams at first, but when he goes all thermonuclear, he's representative of nuclear power.
Ghidorah? He's mankind's hunger for electricity and representative of the resulting global warming.
The message? Mankind's need for electricity is enormous, and no single source of energy can fulfill it. We can try to limit it, but that won't work (trying to kill Ghidorah fails every time) - the only way to beat it is by using a power source strong enough to fulfill it (Godzilla in his thermonuclear state representative of nuclear power). BUT even nuclear power can't do that on its own, we need the support of other technologies such as solar power (Mothra and Godzilla cooperating).
I think it would work better if the monsters didn't change allegories so much...
@caporal pistachio
The government is still an A-hole. Less of an A-hole before, sure, but still an A-hole. Case in point: Literally everything they did to antagonize South Korea (from medieval times to WWII to the modern day "those islands were never yours and you should return it back to us even though we know it was really yours.")
See, I read King of the Monsters as an allegory of invasive species and the destruction they do to the natural habitat, or at least the main conflict.
Basically, Godzilla is an alligator, Ghidorah is a Burmese Python, and the earth is Florida.
@@FlyingFocs "and the earth is Florida" I'm writing that one down
i always thought godzilla rampaging through Tokyo represented the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. while, when godzilla fights another monster it represented the cold war going nuclear; two giant powers duking it out, destroying everything around them. it doesn't matter who wins, there won't be anyone left when the fighting ends.
The summary of Godzilla here is fucking spectacular omg
Literally the best part of the video, for me it all went downhill tho the moment they said Kong was racist. Like what?
Love the historical commentary on Godzilla, never looked too deep into it but thank you. Cloverfield is considered a Kaiju horror film too.
You know what's the greatest Kaiju fight ever: *The* *9* *Year* *Old* *Boy* *vs* *Ants*
did you know that 50 humans are killed by ants every year? perhaps it's not wise for lovecraftian entities to call us insignificant ants.
Isn't that just the plot of Ant Bully
rogue123987 yes that’s the joke
Fun fact: Godzilla's head was modeled after a mushroom cloud. This is noticable when he pocks his head over the hill scene.
Wow
Thanks best gen nest hen
CoolTrainer: VautBoy-39 That was an early design drawing, but it got scrapped because that design had "strange simian-like features" and they were looking for something more akin to a Dinosaur.
@@kevinnorwood8782 the more overt mushroom-inspired design was scrapped, but even the reptilian one still carries over some elements of it. Watch the scene where Godzilla attacks the radio tower, his head is framed to resemble a mushroom cloud.
@@42Caio Oh yeah. Now that I'm thinking about that scene, you're right.
This video seems a little off compared to others. Not only is there a lot less example variety here then I’d like, i feel like the sample variety hindered things a bit. Such as the point where you talked about kaiju being perceived as protectors being a modern thing. This one particularly baffled me considering you talked about several films that had a character who’s fit that bill since the beginning: Mothra, a character who, since inception, has always been shown to be someone who protects things. Her absence in this discussion just felt wrong personally. Otherwise, I do enjoy this series, despite this video having some missteps. Keep it up with the great content!
Yeah this video in particular had MAJOR missteps. I just discovered this channel and got really hyped over their villains videos and Dragon vid, but the moment I essentially heard "King Kong is racist" I'm now thinking about giving up on this channel. They're literally just forcing racist allegories and interpretations onto a movie that never had any to begin with.
Something about Pacific Rim that I just noticed:
Nukes only seem effective in one source: Power. Not like political power, but actual power generation. There are a few instances of Nukes being used in Pacific Rim:
1. Raleigh mentions that Kaiju were initially struck with Nuclear bombs in order to kill them, and that this was almost completely ineffective
2. Striker Eureka bombs Slattern and Scunner as they approach the Breach, to clear a path for Gipsy Danger
3. Gipsy Danger detonates her core inside of the Breach, cutting off the portal.
Meanwhile, Gipsy uses Nuclear power as its power source, which is useful in three instances:
1. Gipsy Danger is left as the only operational Jaeger when Leatherback uses an EMP on Striker Eureka.
2. Gipsy uses a nuclear fuel burst to kill Slattern and also prevent herself from hitting the ground too hard after Otachi drops her from orbit
3. Gipsy's core works as a makeshift bomb when Striker fails her mission.
So, let's examine.
Striker detonates a nuclear payload strapped to her back when she is pinned down by Scunner and Slattern, two of the three Kaiju defending the Breach. Scunner is virtually dead, and the nuke kills it, but Slattern is a little bit more resilient. Striker's nuke severely injures Slattern, but doesn't kill it. Slattern is left to face off against Gipsy as she approaches the Breach. Gipsy tackles it and on the way down, uses a fuel burst from her reactor in order to kill it. Striker's actual nuclear warhead - designed for warfare - doesn't kill Slattern, but Gipsy's nuclear reactor - designed for power generation, does. The Breach lets Slattern pass, allowing Gipsy in as well, where Raleigh activates a forced meltdown of Gipsy's nuclear reactor. This meltdown creates a pseudo-nuclear bomb, which destroys the Breach and closes off the portal, saving the world.
Note how Striker, who was meant to sacrifice herself and use an actual warhead, didn't save the world, but Gipsy, who - again - was using nuclear *power* and not a warhead, managed Striker's mission.
It might be a huge coincidence, but it's one that works. The kaiju represent climate change, and the way we beat it is with nuclear power - using nuclear energy for good and not warfare.
Can we talk about how lovable the Red's drawings of Godzilla are?
Lovable enough for me to wanna hug him.
or wanna plushy of him.
@@dedriothaphara6599 thats a good merch idea
SKREEEEOONNKKKK
“You could even say its a mysterious color, unlike almost everything seen on earth” FLASHBACKS
Greetings fellow Jobro
I think you took some of the extremeness of the symbolism in the Godzilla 1954 movie unique to heart (without realizing that was due entirely to unique censorship in Japan at the time of the early story of Godzilla), and then you went looking for that amount of allegorical content in multiple other movies where it actually wasn't prevalent.
Oh no, this video is making rounds on twitter (the 8:50 part)
I mean when you see a movie about a giant ape that kidnaps a woman and go “hmm yes this is about black people” don’t expect a positive reaction
Twitter just discovered her racism, and she going to be held accountable for that.
“Is Clifford a Kaiju?”
I am now question everything. Thank you, Red.
Edit-I looked it up and the wiki has damn tried to make Clifford one.
wait, wiki?
@@Ribbons0121R121 The Kaiju entry on Wikipedia has a long running discussion on the talk page over whether Clifford is a Kaiju or not - this once apparently spilled over into making the Kool Aid Man a kaiju as well, which... who needs fiction, these pages are wonderful.
@@Dracinard
Link?
@@festethephule7553 wikiwand(com)\en\Talk:Kaiju
Sorry, I think it'd block a proper link, but hopefully that gets it across!
I remember reading a Clifford book as a kid where he was so itty bitty as a puppy that when he too a bath, he could ride on a bar of soap. He grew massive with love ❤ ❤❤❤
"You could say it's a mysterious colour unlike any seen on earth."
Now I'm just curious what the shambling pile of issues in human form that was H. P. Lovecraft would come up with if he'd lived to see nuclear energy become a thing...
Probably something racist but maybe surprisingly effective as existential horror(?).
Probably just Godzilla but racist. Kongzilla, if you will.
Nah...unless we either transplant him in the modern day or he actually lived to see 1960 I don't think he would even write something like his stories
He’d blame the Japanese. (For all the irony that’s worth.)
Lunictd
Lovecraft becomes notably less racist as time goes on, if not hit by the cancer train we’d likely remember him very differently and I know just a joke but it’s not the sole characteristic he deserves to be remembered for.
I would sooner believe that King Kong is real than believe that King Kong [the figure] is a proxy for "savage non-whites". To quote Freud: "Sometimes a giant gorilla is just a giant gorilla."
I always saw serizawas view point and relationship with Godzilla as shifting towards being an allegory for nuclear energy. As a kid always hearing about the fear and terror of nukes/Godzilla while older learning the true complexities of these topics seeing how they can and should he used for good while still keeping in mind their dark yet still all real past.
That’s what I assumed the new message was the whole time
“Mysterious colors unlike any seen on earth”
*Vietnam flashbacks*
I was looking for this comment. Well didn't expect the Nam Flashback but still.
That moment when you realize the differences between lovecraft’s description of the life around the well isn’t too different from Chernobyl (Save the moving trees).
Exactly. Thought you did LSD while on duty.
JUST MOVE AWAY!
Mysterious colors, etc, etc...
Clifford the Big Red Dog 100% Kaiju.
he better be, Ive already pitched it to Universal
If they wanted to make a movie about a black person in the 1933, they would have made them use blackface or just a black person
The creator just really enjoyed monkeys
In fact we shouldn't be mad at the monster, when there is a literally group of indigenous people that are straight up racist
or you apeist .. hmm .. not too sure ..
About the question at 12:11 ->
I think that there is a Kurzgesagt video where they say the benefits of nuclear energy in comparison to fossil fuel and how it can help us to reduce the carbon dioxide levels while we make clean energy easier and more efficient