Until Dawn Iceberg Explained
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- Wanna hear me ramble without a script for an hour? Well, you're in luck.
But no, really, this is my Until Dawn iceberg! I put it together myself, as you can doubtlessly tell by the hideousness of it. I also put together the Ashley closet cosplay, and felt very cute.
What's NOT cute is the autofocus on my camera and I'm very sorry for it. I did a test video and didn't have the problem, but alas; I hope it's not too terrible (or at least that you can use the video for background noise for something!)
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:30 Tier One
14:52 Tier Two
29:36 Tier Three
50:52 Tier Four
57:24 Outro
Links to videos, information, etc are below.
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Alpha Axolotl Gaming: • Until Dawn Secret Clue...
Digital Preservation Beta Playthroughs: / @digitalpreservation6387
Beta Playthrough Playlist: • Until Dawn PS3
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Ashley Developer Stream Info: uncledawn.tumblr.com/post/132...
Chris and the Prank: / chris_was_originally_i...
Until Dawn Pumpkins: uncledawn.tumblr.com/post/132... - Hry
i always found it so crazy sam’s first thought of getting back together to mourn her best friend was to take a bath, and NOBODY hugged Josh 😭
It was so weird. The first episode should have been them all hanging out and having fun before the chaos happened.
They separate so early like they dont care to hang with him or try to be here for him 😢
I think I'm the only one who noticed this tiny detail but it's definitely at the bottom of the iceberg. If you don't walk past the candle as ashley in chapter 6, when Josh reveals his plans in the flashback instead of Ashley being spooked by the candle. It shows Josh lighting the candle for Sam. Details like that make this game for me.
wooooow I have never played or seen someone do a playthrough where they don't go in that direction. And I've played this game probably 10-12 times. First time I heard of this
Something I would have added in the 4th Tier would've been the fact that, as a result of Mike's plot armour, he encounters Hannah's Wendigo a surprising number of times, but she doesn't kill him.
There is the time when Mike and Jess go through the mines heading to the cabin (crawling in the background after finding the Jess Fortune Totem) in Chap 2. Also when Mike looks up and can shoot her after the chase to save Jess. The most obvious time is in Chap 10 when Mike gets pulled under the water, but she will kill Josh right after (if you didn't find the Scrawled Journal) or take him away. Another Chap 10 example is that Hannah also only throws Mike against the wall in the lodge despite brutally murdering the others. And I think a few other times that I can't remember off the top of my head.
I do think it's interesting and I've seen it used to fuel the Hannah still recognises everyone theory.
True
Crazy how she never kills her crush directly but will kill her brother or best friend though
@@purpleofpluto9694that’s what I think it’s weird and Mike pranked her right before that too, but her brother has to call her name?
You can find overloaded power stripes near the guest cabin, and it has no power. Along with the Karma Sutra and the photo of Hannah, it’s likely something was planned but josh miscalculated the power requirements
Sorry if this is a bit too rambly-
I feel as if the heavy targeting of Chris and Ashley wasn't actually meant to torture Chris (intentionally. I know in a earlier version he was part of the prank. But if memory serves correct- I think there was also another version where Chris DID help Josh set up the traps). Seeing how everything goes down, Chris isn't the one to be most emotionally damaged by the revenge prank- it's Ashley. The girl that partook in the prank that resulted in the twins going missing.
Cause in every situation, Josh puts Chris in power to pull the trigger both figurately and literally.
The first choice between Josh and Ashley, while not an actual choice, Josh still recall the saw scene and will taunt Chris if he chose to save Ashley. Because in his head, why would Chris ever choose the girl that got his sisters killed than save him? Why not him, the guy that's been suffering a massive loss the whole year. After the saw trap, Ashley and Chris are both traumatized, but Chris seems to mask his fear while Ashley goes on to either deflect her guilt or wallow in it.
Her character starts to peel back the shy, nice girl persona the game presents at the start to reveal the more complex person she is. Her choices to deflect showing that she is a person in fact capable of being cruel and mean and shameless. While going into her little beat-me-up responses only go so far to admit what she did was wrong and that she feels bad for what could have possibly happened to Hannah and Beth. Her focus is still on herself with both routes and it starts to show her last nasty trait: selfishness.
But it again makes her complex cause, who wouldn't be in this situation? One of her friends just got cut in half right next to her and now they're being hunted down by a psychotic killer.
And then we get to the second trap! Oh boy! This time the power is still given to Chris, but it's not between two people he likes- it's between him and the girl he likes! Ashley is dead certain that it may have been luck (aka Chris' crush) that saved her with the first trap, but now it's a imbalanced choice.
If you shoot yourself(Chris), then it makes sense that Ashley would be the least traumatized. She is somewhat-unhealthily attracted to Chris at that point cause he didn't hesitate to take himself out, but it may of been the best choice as Ashley then has no more worry about her life being tested.
If you don't shoot, she's still moderately traumatized, but she still sees Chris in a positive light cause he rather die with her.
If you do shoot her, all her negatives are justified cause she is refusing to open the door for Chris because- why? What if the next trap comes along and what? What is she to do? She's been powerless the whole time Josh was fucking around with them, so why spare Chris if he will just pull the trigger on her again? What if it actually gets her killed?
Cause at that moment a actual danger comes, she WANTS to survive, even if it means keeping the door shut, even if it means keeping the journal notes to herself. All that power is suddenly in her hands and there's no way she'd fumble it. Not with the unpredictable group she's stuck with and especially after all the traumatizing tests she's been unwilfully forced to participate in the whole night.
Don't apologize; this is really interesting! I actually love this take on things and on how it affects Ashley, especially in regard to her choice not to open the door for Chris if he shoots at her. It made enough sense on its own, but the idea of her weighing a risk of a future threat or something like that where again she doesn't have a choice and deciding to eliminate the possible threat is really interesting and works really well with what we've seen of her character so far. Thanks for sharing this idea!
It's Just a shame that she's so hated only for being human, because everyone would do the same in her place, it's really a shame... she's my best character along with Emily, and i can see that Ash and Em have a really Care for each other, but everyone Just Hate Ash Just for three things:
1- kill Chris
2- Being human
3- and "kill Em"
But people Just forget that the one who kill Em is Mike, Ash was only scared and traumatized (and in my opinion, the slap was for a good cause, but she don't deserved to be pushed while Mike was right in front of her, and also, her panick attack suit really well If she loved Chris, but he didn't get até the door in time, so she would be really traumatized and depressed seeing her lover die before her eyes by the Wendigo without her doing NOTHING to help, over again being powerless, so she see what a Wendigo os capable to do, and she fear that she's the next, along with Sam and mike) and also, when Mike Kill Em, along with Sam, Ashley relationship with Mike drops to ZERO, and she see Mike like a treat, Just like she saw Chris like one, she saw her friend being killed, she see that Mike could easily kill her If she get in his dark side, and she really regret about yell at Em to leave, because this only Will make her more powerless, not being able to save her friend, and If you notice, If you Shoot Emily, Ashley will be really scared being near Mike, while he says that everything Will be ok, he try to see Ashley and she immediatly get Far from him like If he's a Crazy and psycho...
A curious fact about Ashley: If Sam die in the lodge but she still have the others, she won't see the lodge taking fire, but being near Emily and Chris, but If only she left alive, She'll sit hugging her knees in a rock like position alone in the Snow and Lean back and front, without even Care about the fire, she'll be Sad about being alone and being the only survivor in the lodge
Another Fun fact about Ashley:
She's the only female character with a high relationship with Jessica, so that explain why she can invastigate the voice
@@manoslaoqeutofazendoaqHmm. Abt the part that she is hugging her inees on that rock. The thing is, in my playtheough everybody lived (so Christ didnt shoot Ash, and Mike didnt shoot Em) but Ash did come clean about the journal. But still in my ending she was hugging her knees alone on that rock 👀
I found it so fun that after Adh read in the journal that the wendigos can mimic people, it was cool that we were put to the test later. Hearing the voice of 'Jessica' I immediately understood that it was a wendigo. And thank god it was cause I regrouped 😂 I'm happy it was used in the game, and that it could have Ash murdered if we didnt take the journal in account!
Never realized I needed this iceberg till I saw your video!! 👍
I think you're being "discovered" right now. Looking forward to more of your work!
17:17 the ending for Rush of blood is basically Josh trying to fight for his humanity as he inevitably succumbs to the Windygo curse and is gone.
I wonder if people initially got the idea of "exorcising" the wendigo's spirit from Chris. I don't remember when he said it, but it was something along the lines of "what if they can be cured?", so even though there's not much actual evidence for such a thing even being possible kn the first, people just kinda ran with it because it sounded interesting.
This is such a great iceberg! You earned a subscriber ❤️❤️
Thank you! ♥
Love this video and your cosplay, that shade of red in your wig looks really beautiful on you! This is something I found out about the game that isn't mentioned in your iceberg: one of the characters was supposed to be pregnant but was taken out due to it adding too much onto the plot!
Thank you, that's really nice of you to say! And oh wow that's interesting; I've never heard about that before! I imagine it must've been really really early in production. I didn't mention it in my iceberg either but I do now that early on Ashley was going to be a drug addict, but they also scrapped that plot pretty early.
My favorite game! Thanks for making content about it!
Cool iceberg! it's surprising to me how deep Until Dawn actually goes in
PS: When i saw your face in the thumbnail i thought you were a deleted character or something like that lmao.
Thank you, and same! It also surprises me that there's still new stuff being discovered, looked into, and so on even many years after the game came out.
@@TesseractHeartMisc It's amazing tbh. However i feel bad, supermassive hasn't done anything near incredible as Until Dawn.
@@Whouse370 Yeah, unfortunately they just haven't hit that perfect combination of things that UD had, though I do think they're going in the right direction (House of Ashes was really good imo and The Quarry was fun, though I certainly wasn't grabbed by it like I was with Until Dawn). Also lol I just saw your PS and I love that.
Holy shit I always watched your videos about Until Dawn, and I came back here to rewatch again, and found your new videos, OMG YOURE SO FUCKING PRETTY!!!!!!
Thank you! I love that you come back to watch old videos; it's so nice to know that they're still liked. And I'm really glad you enjoyed this one too!
Loved this video never knew you could hear the fire tower collapsing from the lodge
I LOVE THE CLOSET COSPLAY i can’t watch this yet because i’m waiting to play the game myself (watched gameplays when i was younger and my memory is so bad that hopefully it’ll be like experiencing it for the first time) but i can’t wait to revisit this once i’ve cleared it
Thank you!!! And aaaah I definitely hope it's like experiencing it for the first time for you; it's such a great game and it's extra special when you don't know (or remember) everything that can happen.
Really informative video! That cosplay is really cute too
love the topics of the iceberg, I’m not too familiar with the game but found the video entertaining. Awesome stuff 🔥🔥
this makes me so happy, so in love with until dawn!!
LOVED IT
Intresting thing about the chapter 10 immunity, while Chris has it, Emily and Ashley can also get it.
If Chris is dead, the immunity defaults to whoever was first out of the basement (Ashley if you lied about the truth or if Emily was never bitten. Or Emily gets it if Ashely tells the truth and she pushes Ashley out of the way). They end up in the same position Chris should have been in, and is able to bale before being able to blow the lodge up.
This also applies if 2 of the 3 are dead. Whoever is left is automatically safe and runs out before there’s a chance to die.
Alternatively there’s an interesting scene with Chris Emily and Ashley where if Sam and Mike die in the lodge ASAP, the three of them run out together at the same time with no chance of them dying.
The Ashley/Emily death in the lodge always used to confuse me when I was younger because so few people got it, I was convinced it was a mod lmao
Love the video! I played Until Dawn way back when after Pewdiepie played it and I had to get it myself. Now like 7 years later I replayed it with my girlfriend and am obsessing over the game again.
Thank you! And yeah this game really held up over time and it's so fun to revisit.
I’m 8 minutes into the video, and already loving, I’m being serious
I didn’t know there were so many secret dialogues and such albeit I got a platinum trophy. Gonna go search them up after your video
YESSSS we have the same opinion about Ashley, SHES SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING being like that
31:38 I thought this was mikes explosion when he shoots the gate open and it sets fire to the barrels in the sanitorium, considering how there's a tunnel directly to the lodge here
Very nice vid, always been interested in the lore but could never bother going around and pickin up collectibles or reading the wiki. Bit quiet tho 👍👍
Thank you! And thanks for the feedback; I was a little worried about the audio but wasn't really sure, so it's good to know it should get turned up more for the next video.
I’m sorry for commenting so much and being so annoying hahaha, but I wish you’d never deleted or put this video on private, because I’ll probably come here a lot more times in the future! :)
i know it’s probably too much to ask but god i wish the devs would release that dlc,, even if it was something you had to purchase. having those extra moments of matt + emily really expands on their relationship dynamics
They are now!!!!!, and it sounds like we're getting bonus jessica scenes too!
My favorite bit of lore I like to share with my friends is that Josh went to be Freddy Mercury
No, he became a vigilante hacker in New York, and because his hallucination of Dr. Hill abandoned him, he created a new one in the form of Christian Slater. He almost erased his old life completely, if it weren't for the fact that he recalls one specific thing; his sister would sing Frere Jacques.
32:32 for Emily not to get bit by the wendigo you need to get every qte right and have the flare gun, or atleast that’s how I did it edit: I did both jump over and get off options and was able to not get bit both times
All paths lead to Mike. Praise be to Sam, please spar us in our QTEs
I had no idea about the pumpkin update LOL
It was such a weird decision lol and I still don't know why it was 10GB, but at least it makes for a funny story now.
It’s a good thing we’re getting it for PC in the remake
oooo this finna be good
Thank you! I hope it doesn't disappoint.
Completely off topic here, but I wanna mention that I have 2 tattoos on my arm about Until Dawn LOL
What are they?
Chris can shoot jack, but jack somehow deflects it or something, its based off what you do in the shed with mike and you have to ask for the gun
Lol that's so weird; I knew you could shoot at him but I'd never succeeded in the QTE for it and haven't seen a clip anywhere of what actually happens. I love the idea of Jack somehow deflecting bullets though.
No way. I've specifically played that part and put the cursor over the aiming button, but the trigger wouldn't work. Did they seriously add a gunshot sound there and animated that? And how did you even pull it off?
Oh man if you had gameplay in the background id watch this 😢
I do have gameplay in mine if you'd like to watch an iceberg on this game. :D
Just played this game for the first time, seriously. Played once years ago and only played 2 chapters. Holy Cow I can't believe I slept on this game.
It really is amazing! And it's always neat to hear about players just playing it for the first time even now; I think it holds up incredibly well.
@@TesseractHeartMisc Thank you!!! Definitely subbing for your cool voice and content
@@stickyfingers6632 Aaaah you have no idea how delighted hearing 'cool voice' makes me lol. Thank you so much! I hope to have a new video up in a few weeks at the latest.
@@TesseractHeartMisc Between you and me I actually fell asleep listening to you 😂
neat
Okay I've got something thats been bugging me and I don't know how its triggered, when Matt and Emily fin Ashley and Chris after Josh's "death", usually they say the line about Jess and Mike off so where 69ing each other and all that, but I watched a playthrough and they got a different line where Chris accuses Emily and Matt of just wanting to save themselves. I have no idea why the scene was different.
I know which scene you're talking about but I also don't know how exactly to get it. I think I've only gotten it once myself, and I want to say it probably depends on Matt and Emily's relationship being really good, just based on that it's rare for someone to have a really high relationship for them on a playthrough and so it would explain it being really rare (and there isn't much time to affect anything else with Emily anyway; you can't vary her relationship with Chris by that point I don't think.)
Logically this would also make sense in that Emily might be feeling less insecure about Mike and Jess if she's happy with how things are going with Matt, but this is all still just a guess. I do love that alternate version of the scene though because it shows a different side of Emily; you'd expect her to be mad at an accusation like that, but she's calm and understanding instead, which is really neat.
@@TesseractHeartMiscthanks so much for replying! That makes sense actually, I can stop trying to figure out why that scene happened that one time :)
NOOO, I legit saw this in my recommendations feed a dozen times now and I always thought your face was like a beta design for Ashley. Cuz you both wear beanies LMAO
You look very pretty.
Thank you! That's very nice of you to say.
wow the audio is really quiet
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