What Would Yao & Shaq Look Like In Today’s NBA?
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2022
- RJ, Channing, and Duncan discuss the differences in today’s NBA compared to the early 2000s, and what Yao & Shaq would look like against small-ball lineups.
Full episode drops Thursday, August 4th! - Sport
“Imagine fouling a tree, who can move like a cat.” Bro 😂😂😂
Both will be defensive liabilities.
@@hernantuquero5969 jokic in theory is a defensive liability but he isn't. I don't buy it
@@hernantuquero5969 Gobert is a three time defensive player of the year in the modern era. Your logic doesn't hold any weight.
I have not heard of a more perfect way to describe Shaq lmaooooo
@@clevisbernier8973 But big men usually win DPOY
People forget that guys like Yao and Shaq used to be very mobile/agile when they were younger and skinnier but gradually put on more weight to compete against each other. But in today's league that's more pace oriented, those guys probably stay leaner and are still able to play at a faster pace.
Shaq was already Shaq diesel when Yao came in
yeah Yao never had to do that lol. Shaq didnt put on weight to compete with anyone, did you watch him when he played for Dale Brown in LSU? You're just saying stuff to say stuff. Yao maybe coulda been the greatest ever same as Shaq. It didnt happen, careers went different, injuries, personalities. Shaq and Yao would both struggle to play defense in todays league. But im not sure the league would be what it is, if Shaq was in it. Yes he's a defensive liability, but he also could score 100 points every game if you don't stop him. Shaq is and was an anomoly and there's maybe 100 guys in the NBA books that had no business being there. They were there as guys who could foul and try to body Shaq. In todays game, no one could stop Shaq and Shaq couldn't stop most 4 or 5 guys. It would be interesting.
Shaq was too slow for Tim Duncan.
@@JMums2 Shaq was actually faster than Duncan don’t let the weight fool you Timmy was stiff asf he wasn’t faster than anyone
@chamaeleonair9709 watch the game... you know there's tape of it right?
Yao would still be very relevant because one of his greatest asset is his mid range and FT shooting which is 83% career. If he'll be playing in today's game, his training regiment and body build would be different to adapt to the modern style of play.
They could also do stuff with him that not a lot of traditional centers could. Instead of putting him in the low post ALL the time, they could play him in the pick-and-roll at the elbow with a guard or a small forward and either get a free drive (if the center stayed on Yao) or get a high percentage jumper at the foul line with Yao shooting over someone a foot shorter than he was. His shooting touch was unprecedented for someone that big.
@@JinghisKhan I'm also pretty sure 100% that he'll be a great 3pt shooter in today's game.
He could shoot the 3 ball too
Yao would definitely be shooting three's in today's game too. His game honestly translates really well into today's game and that hook shot of his would be unguardable given how small the game has gotten.
@@JinghisKhan naw, just dump it down to him. Wide open jumpers, layups/dunks inside, other team's depth gone with fouls trying to stop him, and wide open 3s at every as the defense would naturally HAVE to collapse into the paint automatically just to stop him. Who needs pick and roll when what you generate from that happens automatically on catch with one pass into the post?? Fast break, he's shooting threes as trailer. Center guarding him to defend, even if he gets there is 6 inches shorter than him. Yao literally has all day to set up, catch, roll the ball in his hands to line up with groove of the ball, and release. Lol.
They'd have the number one offense in the league. Oh, and he passes the ball like jokic (maybe a little better), defends the paint much better (no layups/dunks for the other team). The other team needs to pray all their 3s go in cause that's all they're getting. Meanwhile Yahoo is making every shot cause no one is near him. No shaq/Duncan/Robinson in today's game? Forget it
Yao would dominate in today’s league. Even more than he did during his era. Good to see Yao getting love.
No he wouldn’t. He would be run out of the league. Yao is so sliw
@@timw8646 🤡
@@timw8646 Luka and Jokic is slow, but they're dominating. That argument is irrelevant.
@@timw8646 Just because he’s slow doesn’t mean he can score, bet you can’t say that about Shaq cause he can go coast to coast by himself too.
Shaq would still be the same dominant player, but Yao would have thrived in this era. Yao was a kind of a hybrid big man where he had all-around skills, passing and shooting. Just didn't get to show it as much because that's when big men actually played more traditional style but if he transitioned and evolved his game into this era, he would have been in discussion as best center in the league.
remember yao was much lighter when he first came to the league and he would be Wemby in todays league
yao would score anywhere in today's NBA, he shot like 85% from the line and shot turn around fadeaways, he was as unguardable as the dirk fade, he would be shooting threes in the modern NBA.
With Yao’s touch, he would acquire the 3-pointer shooting skill in this era.
You dont even need that. Just having him on the low post means 2 or 1.5 players guarding him, meaning your perimeter can you whatever fuck they want.
Watching gigantic people complain about being small is hilarious
Yao was such a problem that he could post you up or shoot the mid-range on PnR. The guy even ran his own fast break with behind the back moves. You can CZcams this lol.
That was against the Blazers so many years back then, I came to North America at the same year Yao got drafted, man what an Gifted player he was. Insanely Skilled.
At the time never seen before from a Center of his size
This is top tier. Need more 100%
If Yao didn't have his knee problems, he would dominate in the league
Only playing 8 seasons was a disappointment cuz he coulda did so much more. When he was healthy he was a top 10 player in the league.
Foot issues too
You can say that about alot of players.
@@SDTheGhost23 a handful. Only a few had superstar potential or were superstars before an injury(s) shortened their careers. Yao was one of those few.
true but he had his knee problems because he dominated - meaning because of his height
Yao got the skill and size. Yao dominated prime Dwight every time they met. Monster.
Richard made an important point. Shaq forces you to alter and change ur lineup. So ur first center gets two fouls n then the back up comes in and the back up needed to be the same size n talented or else n then u need a third. So now where u can have a center n two small ball centres who shoot 3s that’s not happening because u need 3 real centres. So ur not having all the wings that u want because Shaq is around. If Shaq played for these Celtics, Looney is fouled out n Deaymond guards him, who comes in for draymond because Shaq is also playing 40mpg
Doesn't matter what he made, these are RETIRED PPL WHO Will NEVER PLAY AGAIN, they are all retired and headed towards SENIOR Citizenship in 10 years!! Go study something , go make more money, stop watching this IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT!!
I don't remember if anyone ever did this but of course it would go differently now because of 3pt shooters and spacing but if you had Shaq down low of D and create some lanes for slashers and cutters i wonder if you couldn't get some cheap fouls on Shaq?
Best weapon would be like Arvydas Sabonis who was huge but could do some stuff on the perimeter on offense, shoot a little and pass well. Jokic vs Shaq would be great. KAT vs Shaq would be interesting. Embiid vs Shaq would be an all out war. I think both would be fouled out by the 4th quarter or too exhausted to move
Yao could shoot a middie and post and was quick for his size. Also can pass from the post. Ez top 10 player when he’s healthy
Yao vs Tim Duncan were amazing games
Yao had some epic battles with Shaq. Yao made Shaq look small fr back then
Yao's legendary 1.6 assists per game
His biggest weakness would be guarding high pick and rolls against players like Dame, Steph and Trae.
@@LunaticTheCat That's every big center's weakness. Shaq was criticized for not guarding Mike Bibby in the P&R, but people at his size are not supposed to move laterally fast enough to chase the guard. More agile centers like David Robinson and Hakeem would do a better job though.
With centers like Shaq and Yao, their best bet was to bait the mid range jumpshot.
Shaw calling Frye “Little Frye” is crazy! 😂😂😂
Yao probably guards the PnR better than Duncan Robinson 😭
Lmao
stop the Heat slander
@@gtgargon 90m for a guy who was unplayable in the playoffs and I like the Heat 😂
naw you mean for no reason lololool
7’1 330 lbs prime Laker Shaq was unstoppable for 3 consecutive years. Actual fact not opinion.
I read somewhere that Shaq in 2003 weighed around 370+lbs. A true monster.
@@spiidey1 imagine being a center and he outweigh you by 100lbs Good luck!
Two of my favorite bigs ever
Yea I like Richard and Channing too
Yao’s prime was so short…. His feet just couldn’t sustain his massive weight. Houston fans would never forget the 2010 playoffs run. Yao is so underrated and kids barely know who he is now
probably know his meme tho lol
He's been retired for over a decade dude get over it and stop watching old basketball stop watching old ppl talk about retired players lmao go make more money go get a bigger house a boat a plane etc stop wasting your time here taking about retired old players and stuff that will never ever ever happen.
@@superbuu122 lmaoo
@Lil Gleam OFFICIAL 2/5 people on this were “old”. You should learn some punctuation man, it was a chore reading whatever that was.
Part of what shortened Yao's career was that he was never able to get any proper rest. He literally played year round due to obligations with the Chinese National team, who were and are super trash without him. I remember watching a game between China and New Zealand, Yao scored like 40+ of China's 80 some points, and when he checked out with like a minute left and China up 10, New Zealand immediately scored 8 straight off a full court press, so Yao had to check back in and sink some free throws to ice the game lmfao. Dude was a one man show internationally. Like Yi Jianlian or Wang Zizi might have been his second best teammate 😂😂😂
I love hearing players talk about facing Yao and Shaq. Always hilarious
I say Wilt could have been as physically dominant as Shaq and so did he, a lot, although he also often spoke about how he disliked that kind of play and preferred finesse. It is why he perfected the fadeaway that everyone says is Dirks or Kobe or MJ.. 1st it was a 7ft Wilt Chamberlains shot. The latest footage that has been worked on to make it HD is amazing. I think Wilt and Shaq would have been incredible Rivals if they played today. Anyone who has not truly watched Wilts 1hr long highlights in HD, please do. He is beyond belief and was so well spoken and just unique. Excited for this episode!
Wilt wasn't taking no midrange fadeaways sorry
@@jordanflores5687 you're factually and literally wrong. czcams.com/video/8O9MgNfcGJA/video.html
@@jordanflores5687 How much you wanna bet it was his #1 shot?
@@jordanflores5687 lmao you clearly didn't watch the video he is talking about. WILT HIT A TURNAROUND FADEAWAY JUMPER REGULARLY
Nothing looks dominant in wilts highlights
Yao was a very underrated passer too. If you doubled him, he could make you look silly.
Yeah, Dimes to Tmac, dimes to Von Rafer, dimes to Ron Artest, they’re all gonna score, even Louis Scola.
Monsters. Yao got the touch and shag got the jam
Shaq got the wins and rings and MVPs too.
I think realistically if Yao played in today’s game you’d be forced to run a zone with him on the defensive end. One because he will get abused in the pick and roll, he’s just too slow to guard the elite perimeter players of today. And two, his size and IQ would make him absolutely amazing for rebounds and interior defense. I don’t feel the need to mention what he would be bringing on the offensive side of the ball because I think everyone is well aware of how skilled Yao was for his size. A healthy Yao Ming in today’s game would cause a lot of teams problems on both ends of the court.
because the pick and roll didn't exist back then right?
@@gtgargon I’m totally down to have a real debate about basketball but I’m not talking to someone who writes such a condescending comment. Enjoy your weekend champ.
7 foot 6 joker is who hed be
I had this argument with my little cousin. Yes the Warriors are good and that small ball thing is amazing, but Shaq and Yao Ming would absolutely violate that team. EVERYONE is fouling out lol. I went to see Shaq, Yao and Dirk play vs the Knicks. These 3 people are unreal in person. You can barely describe it
Shaq would be a major liability on the other end, though. He would get isolated against Steph on the 3 point line the way that Jokic was.
@@RossRadikSherman agreed, but his ability to literally put everyone In foul trouble and duck in downlow and get 60 would negate that
@@misteremachine at the end of the day it’s gone come down to a 2 v 3. The warriors seem like the only team that would’ve have those 2 in a track meet
@@sageofthesix9608 buckets aren’t guaranteed, plus shaq or Yao literally dunking every possession is way more likely to happen consistently than chucking threes
@@moneymitch952 Kevin Looney is only 6-9 but he is a solid defender against bigs. Shaq would dominate the way he dominated, but it would be work for him. He wouldn't be able to dunk every time.
Yao Ming will be MVP because he is the advanced version of Jokic
2 completly diff players… what r u saying lol smh
Finally respect for the OG's
Yao was one of a kind. He could transcendent a team with p n r system.
Yao Ming would be the best shooting big man in the league. He already had a 3PT shot back then. In today’s game he’d be unstoppable
@Ali Chaudhry Even if he didn’t make 10 he still made some. Watch the game he had against the Bobcats when Him and Tmac were both playing them healthy. That pass by Aaron Brooks to Yao was money.
When u are elite, u can dominate in any era because u possess unique skill sets that is the best
yao ming is joker b4 joker. and much more better version at that. that's how great yao is.
Channing says Artest averaged 25-30ppg for Houston for the season. He averaged 17..
😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine a bigger and stronger Jokic. That's Yao Ming right there.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Pretty much
on this era yao could easily be a superstar, 7 foot 5 with shooting.
I love when people give Shaq his flowers... Yao too.. Those two were my childhood
If someone had asked Yao to shoot 3's he would have. The guy could shoot and had a clean looking jump shot.
Small ball ain't working on the great centers of that era - Shaq, Yao, Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing
Those guys wouldn't be able to run with these lineups either.
@@mr.castle Hakeem probably could.
@@Galactic123 Agree on that.
What about Bill, Wilt and Bill Walton?
Yao would actually scary today
Yao would destroy in any era
The way bigs can shoot today they would also dominate in the 80s and 90s
Shaq would dominate any era
Thats why tim Duncan should be considered in the the goat conversation he held his own against prime Shaq.
He is..
I always wanna see a Yao n TMac vs Shaq n Kobe in a Boston vs Lakers rivalry
Shaq was such a job creator. Guys like Jerome James, DeSagana Diop, Greg Ostertag, Kyrylo Fesenko and many others were in the league just to foul him.
Yao would struggle with pick and roll defense, but offensively, he'll be dominant. People don't remember, but he's a really good passer as well. His post move, mid range and hook shot is unstoppable. If he practices his 3 pointers, he'll probably be in the 38-40% range.
That clip of Yao shooting over B Roy and his Center, my god Brandon Roy was an Competitor back then.
When does this drop?
MJ, Shaq, Curry are 3 players that changed the people's whole perspective of the game. I still laugh when Gobert says he could guard Shaq...Can he guard prime Dwight? No... Dwight was the background of Shaq and Yao's highlight, and they owned him...
Is there a link to the full episode?
Coming tomorri
Yao retirement make me sad. He had skills but his foot injury always been a problem.
Depending if the coach is an idiot or not they feed them the ball every trip down and 2 point the other team to death because the other team will not hit every 3 and will play small ball meaning you'll have a 6'6 center trying to stop a 7 foot 1 350 pound monster trust me if there were a couple of big men out there who were capable of playing half as dominant as shaq the league would revert back to what it was because you'd have teams looking for bigs just to throw at these particular bigs
Exactly
Yea dude, the reason why 3s and small ball game is working is cause of Steph, the day Steph retires these ORGs currently trying replicate a team like Stephs GSW will come to realize that they can’t win having 3 oriented offence with small players, it’s players like Giannis who’s going to dominate the league.
No. It's analytics. All teams need to shoot to beat 2 pointers is make 33% from 3. And nowadays 33% is considered a subpar percentage for top teams.
Those two would still be a PROBLEM
70% from 2 is better than 40% from 3.
I just realized duncan looks like ggg
Im an old schooler nba fan from the 80's. Im a rockets fan also, people tend to forget though that the suns started the small ball while yao was playing and yao struggled with the fast pace, he would get tired by the first half. The suns dominated the rockets. Now the whole league is like that. Yao and shaq wouldnt have problems offensivly but they could not keep up with today's nba defensively. You got seven footers playing at the three point line, there is no post game anymore. Again the pace is too fast they would struggle keeping up. Now Hakeem would thrive into todays nba because of his freak quickness
yao with KD skills and good health as a PF + shaq as a center would have been the best duo of all time.
St Mary's and Moon Valley 🤘🏿
This is why draymond would be completely useless in the 90s and the 2000s when there were true centers. He is a small ball big man and that simply doesnt work against guys with real size and skill at the center position.
Sad how 7 footers are so prone to injury, maybe if Yao didn’t commit to his Olympic team he could’ve lasted a lot longer
It wasn't the Olympic team, it was more or less all the little regional bullshit tournaments (like China, you gonna have to beat Singapore and Malaysia on your own someday) that he played in that added all the additional stress to his foot.
Yao would have been a multiple mvp and probably top 10-15 player if not for China always forcing him to play in the Summer for their National Team. Yao needed that time to rest and rehab his gigantic body
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.... At the end of the day, he was just another NBA player that failed to live up to the hype.
@@daveclark8337 he did lived up to the hype
@@miorionomichi Not in NBA.
@@daveclark8337 8x All Star , 5x All NBA , Number Retired by Houston how is that not lived up to the hype?
@@miorionomichi Always remember him choking when it mattered: The Playoffs
How would Yao Ming and Shaq look in the NBA today? They’d look very elderly, and probably would break a hip trying to run up and down the court.
Channing Frye and Jahidi White never overlapped in the NBA
Shaq would only be better, probably have more of a mid range and a little better at shooting but his strengths would force players to defend the paint better.
Congrats on that contract my guy late but still a win make sure your agent is taking care of
Just overlooked Zboo
i just hope zion will have a somewhat healthy career.. cant compare him to shaq, but zion is something i havent seen before either
Yao would be averaging 30ppg ...he was a goid midrange and postup Player
Can someone explain why RJ sayin Yao Ming would get abused in pick and roll?
Yao ming is too slow to switch to the ballhandler so his perimeter defense sucks
They would make Rudy look like swish cheese
Shaq was an edited 99 player in the career mode 4 real
Yao Ming is better than Rudy Gobert
Lets put it this way if shaq wasnt lazy and had kobes work ethic, hes probably the greatest player ever.
You can put Wilt next to or above Shaq in power.
def above. Wilt was the strongest nba player period.
I feel like Yao would average 30, 20,10 and 3. Shaq would make these guys cry, literally tears in public. They would sit down on the court and pout. Lol
Shaq would be just as dominant in todays game. I actually don't think he'd be all that MORE dominant though, despite the advantagea playing in thisberanwouldngive him.
Shaq's work ethic regarding professional basketball is the only thing that ever really stopped him. He was lazy and didn't work hard enough on staying NBA ready. He's said it himself.
That wouldn't have changed regardless of what era he played in.
It's just who he is.
Shaq has always been more than a basketball player. Basketball os just what he did. It doesn't define him.
That's what makes him so different than his peers and the many othr NBA greats.
Chet could maybe be a diet Yao Ming?
Good point
I’d love to see Chet Homgren trying to guard Shaq.
So you hate Chet Holmgren’s guts is what you’re trying to tell us
Embiid vs Yao
Healthy Yao eats him for breakfast
Doubt it embodies will facem up
Yao would eat his lunch then send him to buy him some dessert.
Which team does Whiteside, Drummond, Deandre Jordan and Boogie play for? They are either unsigned or deep in the bench. In today's game, if you are too slow to guard multiple positions in pick and roll's, or when you can't shoot it from deep or midranged, you aint playing. Plain and simple.
So what's boogies average before he got injured? Drummond ain't shaq power and strength
None of those guys were as overall talented on offense and defense as Shaq and Yao. Also, none of them had the same size as Shaq and Yao either…
What if I told you that Shaq shot 75% at the rim from 2pt which is more efficient than your best 3pt shooters getting wide open 3’s ?
Jahidi white was strong as shit lol 💯
if Yao Ming didnt play basketball year round he wouldve had a longer NBA career. Chinese national team made him play in his offseasons when he shouldve been resting
They would look bigger than everybody. That’s how they would look.
Yao today would resemble Han Xu in the WNBA
If he returns to play without injuries then your words will become facts.
Shaq was ridiculous
if durant didnt have all those injuries and if he was born 4 years earlier hed be ahead of LBJ in terms of career total points.
yao ming and shaq in todays NBA? cmon now, yao ming would play 20 minutes in 60 games in a season.
shaq would foul out or have to perimiter guard since his matchup (KAT, EMBIID, JOKIC) shoots 40% from 3.
then when shaq comes outside, hed get switched on with a shifty guard who goes inside and handles the business.
Lol, except Shaq and Yao would be shooting 90% and fouling everyone out within the 1st quarter. Embidd would have a season ending injury after the first possession. Kat would be crying on the bench questioning his life choices. And Jokic will be playing like his nickname.
KD is not a Center man, he’s more of a SF.
@@tonychen3368 who called KD a center then...
SHAQ 28/80 at the free throw 1st quarter in today ERA😁
With Yao soft tough, he may shoot more than 40% on three line
I named my cat Shaq after watching this, he's a fat cat who always got stuck on a tree.
Imo Giannis is this generation Shaq, and there will never be another Yao Ming
I’m from china, I don’t watch basketball ball a lot. I heard Yao Ming is good, but never thought he could be as good as Shaq. Btw why CZcams push me this video.
You got a lot to learn then. He was way more skilled and was physically as dominant as Shaq midway through his career.
They will be shooting 3s
How do you know?
Draymond will be manhandled by Shaq on both ends of the court
Draymond could never ever in his wildest dreams guard Shaq or Yao
Facts, facts, facts!
Yao has a better jumper than lebron
That’s because he has an absolute perfect form for that.
NO ONE! in the NBA right now would have been able to guard prime Shaq. All this talk about Rudy Gobert being able to shutdown Shaq....Brah! How it would've went is, Shaq would've gone to the line 20 times, Rudy would've fouled out, Shaq would've had 48pts, 18 rebounds and would've went 12/20 from free throws....Oh and Kobe would've had 36pts only cus he would've taken a backseat to feed the Big Fella all night and watch him DESTROY Rudy. Hakeem was the only big man in Shaq's career that can say that he one up'ed the big fella but that was more mental and experience than anything else.
Allie is fine
No way he was more dominant than wilt, other than him then yes
If Shaq played in todays nba. 3 point shooting Cs would be out of the league. KAT would be on the Sharks 🦈. You’d have more big men like Gobert, defense focused
Shaq - 7 footer fairly over 300 pounds…no matter what era that boi a problem lol
Shaq OMG. He’d average 40 a game easy.